Brady received 27 PI calls in 2020

[BlackOp]

Buccaneers were the beneficiary of 27 PI calls this 2020 season, Kansas City received 4.

No other team had more than 19 (Miami/Pittsburgh) and 28 teams had less than 15.

Buccaneers were the beneficiary of 12 PI last year with Winston throwing for over 5000 yards...

Brady's Bucs received 15 more PI calls than the same team did last season...and set an NFL record.

Brady had 12 more PI calls than 28 other teams....16 more than 21 teams. He was essentially getting twice the PI calls of nearly every other franchise...and 7 times the amount as Mahomes.

25 teams had 11 or less...

Numbers dont lie...only the media about Brady's "greatness"

Chiefs were called for 2 PIs in one quarter of the SB...they only had their opponents flagged 4 times all year.

[staylor26]

27-4?

LMAO

[stevieray]

27-4?

LMAO

Laid out on a silver platter.

[KCUnited]

A deeper dive into down, distance, score per occurrence would be interesting

*not volunteering

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Despicable.

The worst part is most people will still tell you it's all your head.

Anyone who thinks 27 PI penalties, especially when called at just the right time, cannot completely change an entire season for a player and team is completely kidding themselves.

Just makes me so god damn sick.

[notorious]

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[The Franchise]

How many was he getting in New England? I’d be interested to see those numbers.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Look, you can lay these numbers out till the cows come home. The Brady Ballwashers don't care. I mean seriously, you could probably go through every season he's played in and especially the SB seasons, and find that he is the "amazingly lucky benificiary" of a ton of calls, balls bouncing his way etc.

The conclusions are these:

1) He just gets favorable calls, and always has, it's a matter of chance and chance just smiles on him all the time for some reason

2) He's just the smartest and most cunning of any football player in the history of the universe, and it's not luck, he just skillfully get's people to commit fouls at the right time

3) He is Satan.

I go with option 3.

[Easy 6]

Fuck Bom Trady

[InChiefsHeaven]

Despicable.

The worst part is most people will still tell you it's all your head.

Anyone who thinks 27 PI penalties, especially when called at just the right time, cannot completely change an entire season for a player and team is completely kidding themselves.

Just makes me so god damn sick.

This. I hate Patriot fans and Brady fans because that is their line all the time. No objectivity. You can show them video and they just laugh and call you a sore loser.

[Pants]

I hate these silly conspiracy theories but I have to admit, 27 vs 12 is pretty damning. Doesn't quite make sense.

[KCUnited]

How many was he getting in New England? I’d be interested to see those numbers.

As would SB years, playoff vs regular season, etc

[stevieray]

How many INT's reversed by flags?

[SupDock]

Wow, next highest is 19

50 percent more than the next highest team.

[BlackOp]

Interesting...the only other team that even has 20, in the past 10 seasons, was the one I said the NFL was rigging that year...the 12-4 Raiders.

The more you know...and the more apparent how insane 27 calls are...there is nobody within 7 over the past decade.

[The Franchise]

Don’t get me wrong. The gameplan that the Chiefs ran with backup OTs was horrendous and the dropped balls killed them.

But....

The refs effectively neutered our defense after two three and outs to start the game. That changed everything about the game.

It allowed their offense to continue drives and score points. This killed our pash rush and neutered our blitzes. It also put our offense behind and made us pass even more.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

I hate these silly conspiracy theories but I have to admit, 27 vs 12 is pretty damning. Doesn't quite make sense.

When there are clear numbers to indicate something, there is no 'conspiracy theory' involved.

When you see Tom Brady get calls nobody else gets with your own eyes for 20+ years and see the numbers to back it up, it just is what it is. You can either accept it or pretend it doesn't exist, but it clearly does.

[DJJasonp]

We also have a history with Cheffers:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/02/08/carl-cheffers-super-bowl-referee/

[Titty Meat]

Sore losers

[BlackOp]

in 2014...only one team had more than 11...Baltimore had 16.

2011 the highest was the Bengals with 13..

2010 Atlanta had 14... 29 teams had 10 or less..

[BlackOp]

Sore losers

Trash dumpster BJ boy obviously sucks at math...

[staylor26]

When there are clear numbers to indicate something, there is no 'conspiracy theory' involved.

When you see Tom Brady get calls nobody else gets with your own eyes for 20+ years and see the numbers to back it up, it just is what it is. You can either accept it or pretend it doesn't exist, but it clearly does.

Exactly.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Wow

[Titty Meat]

Trash dumpster BJ boy obviously sucks at math...

Take your tinfoil hat and ram it up your bruised vagina fuck boy

[htismaqe]

When there are clear numbers to indicate something, there is no 'conspiracy theory' involved.

When you see Tom Brady get calls nobody else gets with your own eyes for 20+ years and see the numbers to back it up, it just is what it is. You can either accept it or pretend it doesn't exist, but it clearly does.

Right. It's not a conspiracy, it's just favoritism.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Don’t get me wrong. The gameplan that the Chiefs ran with backup OTs was horrendous and the dropped balls killed them.

But....

The refs effectively neutered our defense after two three and outs to start the game. That changed everything about the game.

It allowed their offense to continue drives and score points. This killed our pash rush and neutered our blitzes. It also put our offense behind and made us pass even more, while the Bucs were allowed to hold, have illegal contact and commit at least one blatant DPI, which made our line look even worse.

Added more context to your post...

[Joe]

Buccaneers were the beneficiary of 27 PI calls this 2020 season, Kansas City received 4.

No other team had more than 19 (Miami/Pittsburgh) and 28 teams had less than 15.

Buccaneers were the beneficiary of 12 PI last year with Winston throwing for over 5000 yards...

Brady's Bucs received 15 more PI calls than the same team did last season...and set an NFL record.

Brady had 12 more PI calls than 28 other teams....16 more than 21 teams. He was essentially getting twice the PI calls of nearly every other franchise...and 7 times the amount as Mahomes.

25 teams had 11 or less...

Numbers dont lie...only the media about Brady's "greatness"

Chiefs were called for 2 PIs in one quarter of the SB...they only had their opponents flagged 4 times all year.

Please provide link for your stats.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

2000-2020 half those years in a Super Bowl. Those numbers are to out of whack to be ignored. No one is that good or that lucky

[Sassy Squatch]

Don’t get me wrong. The gameplan that the Chiefs ran with backup OTs was horrendous and the dropped balls killed them.

But....

The refs effectively neutered our defense after two three and outs to start the game. That changed everything about the game.

It allowed their offense to continue drives and score points. This killed our pash rush and neutered our blitzes. It also put our offense behind and made us pass even more.
Chiefs gifted the Buccaneers 11 points with the Mecole Hardman offsides and Reid being a fucking dumbass to end the first half. Yeah, the refereeing was hilariously one sided to start the game, and Reid did fuck all about it.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FlawedUnconsciousConch-small.gif

Where was this at from Reid? He's had no problem calling the refs out on their bullshit before, and this team played even harder because of it. I don't think it was the ref ball that killed this teams spirit, we've dealt with that before. It was the complete lack of passion from Reid in response that nailed our coffins.

I can't blame him because we all know the circumstances surrounding what happened, but this along with the failure to make much of if any in game adjustments from the coaching staff along with the general horridness from the offense and you get what happened last Sunday. I'm sure it fucking sucks for everyone in the organization. Hopefully they'll use this feeling of bitterness to come back even stronger next season.

[BlackOp]

Take your tinfoil hat and ram it up your bruised vagina **** boy

Lash out all you want....but you still suck at math.

[Titty Meat]

Lash out all you want....but you still suck at math.

Let's see how tough you are when you arent behind that monitor

[The Franchise]

Chiefs gifted the Buccaneers 11 points with the Mecole Hardman offsides and Reid being a fucking dumbass to end the first half. Yeah, the refereeing was hilariously one sided to start the game, and Reid did fuck all about it.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FlawedUnconsciousConch-small.gif

Where was this at from Reid? He's had no problem calling the refs out on their bullshit before, and this team played even harder because of it. I don't think it was the ref ball that killed this teams spirit, we've dealt with that before. It was the complete lack of passion from Reid in response that nailed our coffins.

I can't blame him because we all know the circumstances surrounding what happened, but this along with the failure to make much of if any in game adjustments from the coaching staff along with the general horridness from the offense and you get what happened last Sunday. I'm sure it fucking sucks for everyone in the organization. Hopefully they'll use this feeling of bitterness to come back even stronger next season.

Yeah, I’ve stated multiple times that it was a bunch of factors that caused the loss. The refs fucking us in the first half was one of those.

[BlackOp]

Please provide link for your stats.

Look at the very top row..about 1/2 across. You'll see the beneficiary column.


https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2020&view=team

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Please provide link for your stats.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?view=team&year=2020

[The Franchise]

Look at the very top row..about 1/2 across. You'll see the beneficiary column.


https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2020&view=team

Brady leaves New England and the Pats end up last in the beneficiary column with 2. LMAO

[BlackOp]

Let's see how tough you are when you arent behind that monitor

ROFL...Timmy Trashdumpster talks the big shit on the Internets.

Just because you fantasize about Tom tongue kissing you...doesn't mean 27 PI should be ignored.

[staylor26]

Brady leaves New England and the Pats end up last in the beneficiary column with 2. LMAO

That’s just a coincidence man!

[BlackOp]

Brady leaves New England and the Pats end up last in the beneficiary column with 2. LMAO

:LOL:..I didnt catch that.

I'll have to check their lowest amount of the Brady years...sure as shit isnt fucking 2

[The Franchise]

Carlton Davis had 5 DPI throughout the season....tied for second in the league.

In the Super Bowl? Fucking none.

[Pants]

When there are clear numbers to indicate something, there is no 'conspiracy theory' involved.

When you see Tom Brady get calls nobody else gets with your own eyes for 20+ years and see the numbers to back it up, it just is what it is. You can either accept it or pretend it doesn't exist, but it clearly does.

I know what you're saying, WI Chief, but this dude straight up believes it's because Tom Brady is a member of the Occult and his wife is a witch.

[Titty Meat]

ROFL...Timmy Trashdumpster talks the big shit on the Internets.

Just because you fantasize about Tom tongue kissing you...doesn't mean 27 PI should be ignored.

I'd make you watch me have sex with your wife after I fracture your jaw

[BlackOp]

I know what you're saying, WI Chief, but this dude straight up believes it's because Tom Brady is a member of the Occult and his wife is a witch.

Says the guy that has done zero research on the occult...but is positive he's correct.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

How many was he getting in New England? I’d be interested to see those numbers.

Here's what I found for New England's ranks on nflpenalties.com:

2020: 32nd in NFL (without Brady, LOL)
2019: 3rd in NFL
2018: 9th in NFL
2017: 5th in NFL
2016: 14th in NFL
2015: 7th in NFL
2014: 2nd in NFL
2013: 2nd in NFL
2012: 2nd in NFL
2011: 26th in NFL
2010: 12th in NFL

So, in Brady's last 10 years in New England, the Patriots were in the top 10 in PI beneficiary calls seven times. They were in the top 5 five times. They were in the top half of the league every year but one. And the year Brady leaves, they are magically dead last. :hmmm:

[BlackOp]

I'd make you watch me have sex with your wife after I fracture your jaw

I that before or after you cut off my penis and stuff it in my mouth? Just checking...thanks for not burning my eyes out with molten lava..I appreciate it.

[Pants]

Says the guy that has done zero research on the occult...but is positive he's correct.

LMAO

I am being 100% sincere when I say that you make CP a better experience.

This is the kind of stuff that gives this place its 1000 flavors.

[Titty Meat]

I that before or after you cut off my penis and stuff it in my mouth? Just checking...thanks for not burning my eyes out with molten lava..I appreciate it.

I've been ring blasted by dudes named after sports cars. You dont intimidate me.

[BlackOp]

I've been ring blasted by dudes named after sports cars. You dont intimidate me.

Ford Probe isnt a sports car...

[GloryDayz]

Hate on him all you want but he knows the rules and works tirelessly with his WRs to setup, and get, those calls. Not unlike how he, and 5head, perfected the rub route.

What's terribad is the PMII isn't working tirelessly to perfect the rub route (pick route that's not called) and drawing PI calls. Not to mention Brady is more than willing to let any official know when they've fucked up.

Nobility has a price. Tom has 7 rings. Let that sink in.

[BlackOp]

Hate on him all you want but he knows the rules and works tirelessly with his WRs to setup, and get, those calls. Not unlike how he, and 5head, perfected the rub route.

What's terribad is the PMII isn't working tirelessly to perfect the rub route (pick route that's not called) and drawing PI calls. Not to mention Brady is more than willing to let any official know when they've ****ed up.

Nobility has a price. Tom has 7 rings. Let that sink in.

Tommy Tongue-kisser is about as "noble" are Bernie Madoff...

He's the biggest fraud Superstar in modern sports history...

Did you know that neither team has scored a TD in his last 2 SBs?...and these teams had the two top offensive minds in football?..scored 12 points total. They had a combined month to create a strategy for the biggest game of their lives.

Drew Lock could have 2 rings in that scenario...

[Bearcat]

Hate on him all you want but he knows the rules and works tirelessly with his WRs to setup, and get, those calls. Not unlike how he, and 5head, perfected the rub route.

What's terribad is the PMII isn't working tirelessly to perfect the rub route (pick route that's not called) and drawing PI calls. Not to mention Brady is more than willing to let any official know when they've fucked up.

Nobility has a price. Tom has 7 rings. Let that sink in.

Uhh... did you watch the Super Bowl?

Because that's not what happened.... at all.

One so-called DPI hit the back wall. That's not training a WR, it's literally not DPI because it wasn't catchable. Another so-called DPI was incidental contact.... the WR tripped over himself. And even if they're training their wide outs to trip over themselves, still not DPI for incidental contact.

One of the defensive holds was nothing more than a hand on or in the vicinity of a receiver as he made his turn. Also not something they told receivers to do to draw penalties.

I guess if Brady was crying for all of those calls, that's something, but they didn't show any of that, either.


I mean, there is the whole "are you willing to cheat/cry/stretch the rules/dive" thing... and it seems to be a love/hate thing between people. I personally hate it, but I get it and the argument of "if they didn't call it, they wouldn't do it"..... I kind of like players to have a little integrity for the game though and it's not 'terribad' at all for Mahomes to play with integrity.

[PHOG]

Hate on him all you want but he knows the rules and works tirelessly with his WRs to setup, and get, those calls. Not unlike how he, and 5head, perfected the rub route.

What's terribad is the PMII isn't working tirelessly to perfect the rub route (pick route that's not called) and drawing PI calls. Not to mention Brady is more than willing to let any official know when they've ****ed up.

Nobility has a price. Tom has 7 rings. Let that sink in.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

[BlackOp]

Here is the combined penalty line over his last 4 SBs

Brady's team 11-87
poor suckers 35-285

Brady had less than 23 yards of penalties in 3 of those..one was 1-5.

It never ends...and Brady is never on the losing side of any crucial statistic....or PI call.

His career is fake..

That 3:1 disparity in calls/yards is equal to the rings he shouldn't have.

[Bobdigital]

Here's what I found for New England's ranks on nflpenalties.com:

2020: 32nd in NFL (without Brady, LOL)
2019: 3rd in NFL
2018: 9th in NFL
2017: 5th in NFL
2016: 14th in NFL
2015: 7th in NFL
2014: 2nd in NFL
2013: 2nd in NFL
2012: 2nd in NFL
2011: 26th in NFL
2010: 12th in NFL

So, in Brady's last 10 years in New England, the Patriots were in the top 10 in PI beneficiary calls seven times. They were in the top 5 five times. They were in the top half of the league every year but one. And the year Brady leaves, they are magically dead last. :hmmm:

Well they did have the 2nd fewest attempts. That could be a reason. It also doesn't help that Cam sucked this year and so they did a lot of short passes that rarely get called. This seems rather desperate honestly.

[stevieray]

I'd make you watch me have sex with your wife after I fracture your jaw

I once knew a guy like you back in Colorado.

He ended up being shot dead.

:shrug:

[Rain Man]

Is the 27 number for the whole season or just the Super Bowl? It seemed like he got 27 during the Super Bowl.

[BlackOp]

Here is the combined penalty line over his last 4 SBs

Brady's team 11-87
poor suckers 35-285

Brady had less than 23 yards of penalties in 3 of those..one was 1-5.

It never ends...and Brady is never on the losing side of any crucial statistic....or PI call.

His career is fake..

That 3:1 disparity in calls/yards is equal to the rings he shouldn't have.
It gets better in the Conference championships those same seasons...

Brady, in 3 out of the 4 games, had a combined 5-28 yards of penalties.

That's the total for three complete games...28 yards...five penalties

They were at a 2:1 disparity in penalty yards...for the 4 games.

[Imon Yourside]

I know what you're saying, WI Chief, but this dude straight up believes it's because Tom Brady is a member of the Occult and his wife is a witch.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-describes-some-of-the-crazy-pregame-rituals-gisele-has-him-go-through-every-week/

[lawrenceRaider]

Anyone joining in with HackOp is pathetic, and you know it.

[staylor26]

Anyone joining in with HackOp is pathetic, and you know it.

Yea it’s pathetic to point out facts.

[crispystl]

A deeper dive into down, distance, score per occurrence would be interesting

*not volunteering

Yes EXACTLY! we need to see how many were 3rd or 4th and 5 or longer.

[EPodolak]

Hate on him all you want but he knows the rules and works tirelessly with his WRs to setup, and get, those calls. Not unlike how he, and 5head, perfected the rub route.

What's terribad is the PMII isn't working tirelessly to perfect the rub route (pick route that's not called) and drawing PI calls. Not to mention Brady is more than willing to let any official know when they've fucked up.

Nobility has a price. Tom has 7 rings. Let that sink in.

ok

[dlphg9]

Here is the combined penalty line over his last 4 SBs

Brady's team 11-87
poor suckers 35-285

Brady had less than 23 yards of penalties in 3 of those..one was 1-5.

It never ends...and Brady is never on the losing side of any crucial statistic....or PI call.

His career is fake..

That 3:1 disparity in calls/yards is equal to the rings he shouldn't have.

This is from my thread

So more penalty stats. It's amazing and totally just a huge coincidence that Tom's first 3 SBs seemed to be called more fairly than his last 7.

First 3 SBs

Tom's teams

Penalty Yards - 138
Pen yds/game - 46
First downs from Penalties - 5
1st from pen/game - 1.67

Opponents

Penalty Yards - 147
Pen yds/game - 49
First downs from Penalties - 7
1st from pen/game - 2.33

Last 7 SB games

Tom's teams

Penalty Yards - 186
Pen yds/game - 26.5
First downs from Penalties - 21
1st from pen/game - 3

Opponents

Penalty Yards - 415
Pen yds/game - 59
First downs from Penalties - 8
1st from pen/game - 1.1

So interesting and coincidental that before Tom and the Pat's became a big household name these games seemed to be called extremely fair over 3 games the Tom's were only +9 in penalty yard differential and - 2 in first down from penalty differential.

Tom and the Pat's become the NFLs golden goose and the TomPats went from having 3 less penalty yards a game and nearly the same amount of 1st downs from penalties in their first 3 SBs to having 33 yds/game less than their opponents and nearly 3x as many first downs from penalties in their last 7 SBs.

The NFL is horse shit and they 100% helped him win several SBs. There is absolutely no way a person can say that these games are being called fairly.

[BlackOp]

Anyone joining in with HackOp is pathetic, and you know it.

I've only posted statistics....obviously that little gem of the Raiders getting 20 PI calls in their fake 12-4 season really hurt.

Funny how when the exorbitant number of PI calls vanished...your team went back to immediately sucking.

Congrats... the Raiders joined Tommy Tongue-kisser in the 20+ club. They were in sole possession for the past decade...but no cheating record is safe from Tom "Terrific".

[ThaVirus]

As shocking as it is that they received 27 calls, I think it may be even more so that we only received 4.

Just four? All season long?

[The Franchise]

As shocking as it is that they received 27 calls, I think it may be even more so that we only received 4.

Just four? All season long?

Beneficial calls in our favor.

[BlackOp]

Yes EXACTLY! we need to see how many were 3rd or 4th and 5 or longer.

It's not even taking into account calls like the one for Hogan...where the ball hit ground.

No one cant beat him when the deck is stacked to this degree..they really ratchet it up in the post-season too.

[BlackOp]

As shocking as it is that they received 27 calls, I think it may be even more so that we only received 4.

Just four? All season long?

27 is way more shocking...it's 7 more than the most PI calls in the past decade.

There are teams with 4 every year...it's still really low in comparison. Patriots had 2...haha. They really could have used those extra 25 PI calls...

[Red Dawg]

But the refs don't favor him according to the media. He always got a ton on NE as well. Over and over again.

[Bearcat]

Hate on him all you want but he knows the rules and works tirelessly with his WRs to setup, and get, those calls.

...and drawing PI calls.

I guess going back to this and thinking about it a little bit.... again, not the issue in the SB at all...... but, I do wonder when you're talking about 27 DPIs, how much he's throwing it into coverage and leading his receivers into the defender and generally looking for that situation versus open receivers whenever possible.

To a certain extent it could be the ability of the receivers to draw penalties, and Brady's ability to lead them into contact.


And that doesn't give the SB calls a pass at all.... and 27-4 is still pretty crazy, so I'm sure there's a good share of Brady crying for calls and whatever other bullshit.

It would be interesting to break it down by each DPI to spot any patterns, as I'd have to assume most of them are fairly legit, even if they're soft or due to Brady crying or whatever.

[BlackOp]

I guess going back to this and thinking about it a little bit.... again, not the issue in the SB at all...... but, I do wonder when you're talking about 27 DPIs, how much he's throwing it into coverage and leading his receivers into the defender and generally looking for that situation versus open receivers whenever possible.

To a certain extent it could be the ability of the receivers to draw penalties, and Brady's ability to lead them into contact.


And that doesn't give the SB calls a pass at all.... and 27-4 is still pretty crazy, so I'm sure there's a good share of Brady crying for calls and whatever other bullshit.

It would be interesting to break it down by each DPI to spot any patterns, as I'd have to assume most of them are fairly legit, even if they're soft or due to Brady crying or whatever.
If this were an isolated event...like if Stafford got them.

Brady has a mountain of statistical evidence that show favoritism stemming back years...re-read my postseason stats.

That favoritism followed him to Tampa..and a record amount of penalties in the SB.

[Jewish Rabbi]

Here’s the deal, yeah Brady gets a lot of penalties called in his favor, but Billay can suck a golf ball thru a garden hose.

Chiefsplanet 1, Brady 0

[BWillie]

Buccaneers were the beneficiary of 27 PI calls this 2020 season, Kansas City received 4.

No other team had more than 19 (Miami/Pittsburgh) and 28 teams had less than 15.

Buccaneers were the beneficiary of 12 PI last year with Winston throwing for over 5000 yards...

Brady's Bucs received 15 more PI calls than the same team did last season...and set an NFL record.

Brady had 12 more PI calls than 28 other teams....16 more than 21 teams. He was essentially getting twice the PI calls of nearly every other franchise...and 7 times the amount as Mahomes.

25 teams had 11 or less...

Numbers dont lie...only the media about Brady's "greatness"

Chiefs were called for 2 PIs in one quarter of the SB...they only had their opponents flagged 4 times all year.

I'm not sure I'm with you on the conspiracy theory NFL stuff but refs do have a hard on for Brady. The Bucs transitioned to more of a shorter throwing team with Brady and the Chiefs who love to throw deep (and throw more than just about anybody) didn't get many DPI calls tells you something.

[Mecca]

The NFL manufactured a legend, they wanted a player that they could say is the best player in any team sport.

[Bearcat]

If this were an isolated event...like if Stafford got them.

Brady has a mountain of statistical evidence that show favoritism stemming back years...re-read my postseason stats.

That favoritism followed him to Tampa..and a record amount of penalties in the SB.

Well, the same things I mentioned would have followed him, too.... especially if say he wasn't getting DPIs in the first few games with TB and they spiked at some point as his receivers started initiating contact and so forth.

The favoritism was clear in the SB, I'm not denying he doesn't get any (any time)... but, it might not be the only thing at play, either.

I'm actually far more surprised at the Chiefs' 4.... I would have guessed the vast majority of teams would average at least 1 DPI in their favor per game, like in the 16-25 range. Like I said though, it would be interesting to see the DPIs on video and game situations, to see what kind of calls he's getting.

[Mr. Plow]

Let's see how tough you are when you arent behind that monitor

You are the biggest bitch on the board.

[Mr. Plow]

NFL will be better once Brady is done.

[Sorry]

Now do KC https://www.nflpenalties.com/

[Sorry]

This is from my thread

So more penalty stats. It's amazing and totally just a huge coincidence that Tom's first 3 SBs seemed to be called more fairly than his last 7.

First 3 SBs

Tom's teams

Penalty Yards - 138
Pen yds/game - 46
First downs from Penalties - 5
1st from pen/game - 1.67

Opponents

Penalty Yards - 147
Pen yds/game - 49
First downs from Penalties - 7
1st from pen/game - 2.33

Last 7 SB games

Tom's teams

Penalty Yards - 186
Pen yds/game - 26.5
First downs from Penalties - 21
1st from pen/game - 3

Opponents

Penalty Yards - 415
Pen yds/game - 59
First downs from Penalties - 8
1st from pen/game - 1.1

So interesting and coincidental that before Tom and the Pat's became a big household name these games seemed to be called extremely fair over 3 games the Tom's were only +9 in penalty yard differential and - 2 in first down from penalty differential.

Tom and the Pat's become the NFLs golden goose and the TomPats went from having 3 less penalty yards a game and nearly the same amount of 1st downs from penalties in their first 3 SBs to having 33 yds/game less than their opponents and nearly 3x as many first downs from penalties in their last 7 SBs.

The NFL is horse shit and they 100% helped him win several SBs. There is absolutely no way a person can say that these games are being called fairly.
And how does that all correlate to how the nfl has constantly changed how they reffed DPI over the years?

[stevegroganfan]

Patriots at home last year received 25 yards in penalties vs the Titans in a playoff loss.

Given so few yards received, I doubt they received many pass interference calls.

Why? Patriots receivers/tight ends for that game were worst in the league due to age/injury. Line was beaten up as well. So, despite Brady's accuracy as a passer not much of a need to pass interfere since Titans were good enough to play well within the rules.

Titans didn't have to try to pass interfere/hold on every other play to contain the Patriots receivers and tight ends.

Tyreek Hill is a great receiver... one of the best in the NFL but he isn't the type of receiver to receive pass inteference calls down the field. He is so fast that defenders are really not in great position to even interfere with him much beyond the line of scrimmage.

Mike Evans is the opposite. Evans is 6"5 and fast but not lightning fast like Hill so DB's that cover him are nearly as fast and often times given brady's accuracy as a passer, they want to interfere.

If a less accurate passer is throwing the ball to Evans like Winston, less of a need to interfere.

Chiefs defensive backs/secondary are highly penalized for a reason. They commit penalties.

It isn't a shock to me that Brady. a super accurate passer, throwing behind a good line with receivers/tight ends of Gronk(6"6), Mike Evans, Chris Godwin(normally great hands but drop balls in post season), Brate, Antonio Brown, Miller(4.3 speed), Johnson(good hands)

Chiefs let Brady's greatness get in their heads. They committed a bunch of holds/pass inteference calls in their secondary that they would have been better off not doing.

The game wasn't played in Kansas City so refs less likely to give a home field advantage that KC has often had in playoffs last 2 years.

[GloryDayz]

I guess going back to this and thinking about it a little bit.... again, not the issue in the SB at all...... but, I do wonder when you're talking about 27 DPIs, how much he's throwing it into coverage and leading his receivers into the defender and generally looking for that situation versus open receivers whenever possible.

To a certain extent it could be the ability of the receivers to draw penalties, and Brady's ability to lead them into contact.


And that doesn't give the SB calls a pass at all.... and 27-4 is still pretty crazy, so I'm sure there's a good share of Brady crying for calls and whatever other bullshit.

It would be interesting to break it down by each DPI to spot any patterns, as I'd have to assume most of them are fairly legit, even if they're soft or due to Brady crying or whatever.

I'd love to see a comparative analysis done on a lot of things in the NFL, but the NFL won't do them and will resist them being done. Much like not allowing the review of the officials, which I doubt really exists in any serious form, to be made public. The NFL knows not to talk or air their non-player dirty laundry.

The NFL didn't get nicknamed the WWFL for nothing, watching NFL officials on Sundays speaks for itself.

[Pants]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-describes-some-of-the-crazy-pregame-rituals-gisele-has-him-go-through-every-week/

WTF?

At least we know where the whole witch thing is coming from now.

[Bob Dole]

The two PIs at the end of the half were neither one catchable balls. It’s bullshit and the numbers back that up.

[stevegroganfan]

And while Mike Evans is not as good as T. Hill as a receiver, the guy is no scrub. First receiver in NFL history to have 1000 yards 7 straight years. Draft position isn't always meaningful but #7 pick in the draft. His yards where down this year in part due to injury but if you watched the games this year, Teams were interfering with him blatantly quite often.

Admittedly, Evans himself sometimes pushes off himself...that is just less frequent since he normally doesn't have to.

People are really making this about Brady, when I bet a high amount of those calls went to Evans.

If Patriots had Mike Evans last year, they would have been facing off against Chiefs in AFC Championship game and wouldn't have even been playing the Titans in round 1 since the team would have had a bye.

BTW, the main reason Brady's receiver's didn't get a ton of pass interference calls his first 3 Super Bowl wins, Patriots didn't have a stud wide receiver or a truly dominant tight end until Randy Moss in 2007.

If the team doesn't have the receivers to go down the field successfully that often, they won't get the long pass interference calls.

And if the passer is inaccurate, there is less of a need to interfere.

Someone else can look at the data but I doubt there are many ultra fast receivers like T Hill getting tons of PI calls down the field. Defenders often even not in position to trip him or get their hands on him while he is running.

And someone like Gronk was a 6"6 physical freak that was willing to go deep at times so someone like him with an accurate passer like Brady throwing him the ball was going to convince linebackers/safety's that they are best off holding/pass interfering.

Chris Godwin another big physical receiver who has some speed as well.

[cripple creek]

reminded of the old saying "one convinced against their will is of the same opinion still"

[BlackOp]

WTF?

At least we know where the whole witch thing is coming from now.

"She has me wear a necklace and take these drops she makes and say all these mantras," Brady said.

"I've learned a lot from my wife over the years," Brady said "She always makes a little altar for me at the game, because she just wills it so much. So she put together a little altar for me that I could bring with pictures of my kids."

"Right after the game, she said, 'See, I did a lot of work. You do your work. I do mine,'" Brady said. "She said, 'You're lucky you married a witch, I'm just a good witch."

I'm sure they only do "happy" sacrifices...

Britt Reid waves hello...would probably argue the "good" witch angle.

This witch has made $400 million off her above average "looks"...and landed Tom Brady. I'd say she's pretty powerful..

I used to a date a model for Elite...and would go to castings with her. There would be 10-12 girls WAY prettier than Giselle in that room.

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[PunkinDrublic]

Anyone joining in with HackOp is pathetic, and you know it.

The pussy Raider fan has a differing opinion surprise surprise.

[TribalElder]

Not surprised

refs probably ask for his autograph after the games

faggot cock sucker

[stevegroganfan]

The two PIs at the end of the half were neither one catchable balls. It’s bullshit and the numbers back that up.

You may underestimate what Mike Evans is capable of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gvkKGgqkIE

The rule isn't, receiver will catch the ball over 50% of the time. It really is can a spectacular catch make it. If you have seen the Evans highlights, I wouldn't underestimate him at all. He is fairly fast 6"5 guy that can jump and even catch balls with one hand.

[BlackOp]

You may underestimate what Mike Evans is capable of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gvkKGgqkIE

The rule isn't, receiver will catch the ball over 50% of the time. It really is can a spectacular catch make it. If you have seen the Evans highlights, I wouldn't underestimate him at all. He is fairly fast 6"5 guy that can jump and even catch balls with one hand.

Dude...you are a member of a cult.

You cant speak on the years of statistics because it it would be detrimental to your beliefs.

I've seen this in every Brady worshiper that has come on this site...built in rationalizations instead of being objective.

Brady will always be your hero...and anything that shines a negative light will be rejected and spun into excuses.

You are only posting here to convince yourself...everybody else knows you are full of shit.

[stevegroganfan]

"She has me wear a necklace and take these drops she makes and say all these mantras," Brady said.

"I've learned a lot from my wife over the years," Brady said "She always makes a little altar for me at the game, because she just wills it so much. So she put together a little altar for me that I could bring with pictures of my kids."

"Right after the game, she said, 'See, I did a lot of work. You do your work. I do mine,'" Brady said. "She said, 'You're lucky you married a witch, I'm just a good witch."

I'm sure they only do "happy" sacrifices...

Britt Reid waves hello...would probably argue the "good" witch angle.

This witch has made $400 million off her above average "looks"...and landed Tom Brady. I'd say she's pretty powerful..

I used to a date a model for Elite...and would go to castings with her. There would be 10-12 girls WAY prettier than Giselle in that room.

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There are about 10,000 pictures of her that look better than that! A lot of beautiful women without a little makeup on do not look as beautiful in photos but they often do in the real world.

Her looks are way above average. She is beautiful for any height. Are there hundreds of more beautiful women that have been in the modeling field in the last 50 years. I would bet from my subjective view that there are given the amount of beautiful people that have gone into the field. I would need to go through a ton of pictures and kind of impossible to do.

But one thing I do know from a few people I am related to being asked to be models is the best female modes are not necessarily the best looking people to the average guy. That is almost immaterial for the line of work she has done.

The modeling is often geared more towards women since they buy the products and the magazines.

And for various reasons, tall female models usually excel and shorter women have a much tougher time. She is 5"11 and very few women are that height. Beautiful but sophisticated looks really helps. And then your personality/brains are actually pretty important and Gisele appears to do really well there. Do women really want to be buying fashion magazines with someone they think is an airhead on the cover?

[KC_Connection]

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=336922


The Kansas City cornerbacks will have to worry in this game about penalties, in particular pass interference. Defenses were flagged 23 times for pass interference on Brady throws this year, a record total in our database that goes back 35 years. Brady and the Bucs got 395 free yards out of DPI penalties. Kansas City was fifth in DPI penalties during the season, 15 total including four each for Breeland and Ward.

As I posted the night of the SB, it was a NFL record this year for him in terms of DPIs benefited from. Now obviously his entire career is ref-aided, but that was particularly the case this season.

[BlackOp]

There are about 10,000 pictures of her that look better than that! A lot of beautiful women without a little makeup on do not look as beautiful in photos but they often do in the real world.

Her looks are way above average. She is beautiful for any height. Are there hundreds of more beautiful women that have been in the modeling field in the last 50 years. I would bet from my subjective view that there are given the amount of beautiful people that have gone into the field. I would need to go through a ton of pictures and kind of impossible to do.

But one thing I do know from a few people I am related to being asked to be models is the best female modes are not necessarily the best looking people to the average guy. That is almost immaterial for the line of work she has done.

The modeling is often geared more towards women since they buy the products and the magazines.

And for various reasons, tall female models usually excel and shorter women have a much tougher time. She is 5"11 and very few women are that height. Beautiful but sophisticated looks really helps. And then your personality/brains are actually pretty important and Gisele appears to do really well there. Do women really want to be buying fashion magazines with someone they think is an airhead on the cover?

I dated a professional model for 3 years. I have a pretty solid bead on how that industry works.

You are correct that when all you deal with is the top .05% in genetic beauty...they tend to look for models that have unique attributes. Everyone is pretty in that world.. Giselle isn't even that unique looking in comparison...there are some truly striking women out there. 5' 11" isn't unique either...

This is more about her being a witch and making nearly a half-billion on a pretty unremarkable face. There could be 10,000 girls out there being her...but SHE is the one. There is more going on there...wouldn't even be remotely surprised if she is tied in with the Mothers of Darkness.

[Joe]

Look at the very top row..about 1/2 across. You'll see the beneficiary column.


https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2020&view=team

Thank you.

Ironically enough I found that site when looking before I asked, but didn't see that column:banghead:

[stevegroganfan]

Dude...you are a member of a cult.

You cant speak on the years of statistics because it it would be detrimental to your beliefs.

I've seen this in every Brady worshiper that has come on this site...built in rationalizations instead of being objective.

Brady will always be your hero...and anything that shines a negative light will be rejected and spun into excuses.

You are only posting here to convince yourself...everybody else knows you are full of shit.

Who do you think is the best quarterback of all time? Name your top 5?

No adult male younger than me is my hero/idol. I am willing to criticize Brady for some off the field stuff that I wouldn't do but I judge athletes on the field based upon their performances within context.

But I defend Brady since I find people denying his greatness at this point to just be in massive denial. It isn't good for their health. I may be off-put by some athletes but I can still accept their greatness and that they are incredible.

Yes, I can speak to statistics.

Brady's key stats.

230-69 in regular season.
34-11 in playoffs.
10 Super Bowl appearances, 7 wins and he will probably get #8 before he retires. Next highest quarterbacks have 4 Super Bowl wins. And when you win the Super Bowl, you need to play well enough to get there.

His teams in New England and Tampa won a lot less games before he arrived and New England won 5 less games than the previous year the two years they played without him(acl injury year and now this year).

Check out Bill Bellichick's record without Brady.
Check out the last time the Bucs made the playoffs before Brady.

It isn't all Brady but he is easily best quarterback in NFL history. For many years, he did more with less in terms of skill position players which allowed Patriots to spend more on special teams/defense.

Was Brady helped by having the end of his career overlap this era? Sure. But quarterbacks that came after him helped even more by the rule changes that overtime increasingly emphasize player safety.

[DJJasonp]

Two of the most difficult receivers in the league to cover (Kelce and hill) and they drew 4 DPIs the entire year?

Remember the raiders game where tyreek was tackled before the ball got there??

You would think the best receivers in the league draw the most DPIs.....

Evans is good, Godwin didn’t play most of the season, and Gronk runs a 5 second 40.

27-4 in DPIs just doesn’t add up (nor does the favoritism Brady gets in the playoffs).

I thought the jags playoff game was the worst I ever witnessed until sundays game.


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[htismaqe]

Who do you think is the best quarterback of all time? Name your top 5?

No adult male younger than me is my hero/idol. I am willing to criticize Brady for some off the field stuff that I wouldn't do but I judge athletes on the field based upon their performances within context.

But I defend Brady since I find people denying his greatness at this point to just be in massive denial. It isn't good for their health. I may be off-put by some athletes but I can still accept their greatness and that they are incredible.

Yes, I can speak to statistics.

Brady's key stats.

230-69 in regular season.
34-11 in playoffs.
10 Super Bowl appearances, 7 wins and he will probably get #8 before he retires. Next highest quarterbacks have 4 Super Bowl wins. And when you win the Super Bowl, you need to play well enough to get there.

His teams in New England and Tampa won a lot less games before he arrived and New England won 5 less games than the previous year the two years they played without him(acl injury year and now this year).

Check out Bill Bellichick's record without Brady.
Check out the last time the Bucs made the playoffs before Brady.

It isn't all Brady but he is easily best quarterback in NFL history. For many years, he did more with less in terms of skill position players which allowed Patriots to spend more on special teams/defense.

Was Brady helped by having the end of his career overlap this era? Sure. But quarterbacks that came after him helped even more by the rule changes that overtime increasingly emphasize player safety.

Go away.

[smithandrew051]

Two of the most difficult receivers in the league to cover (Kelce and hill) and they drew 4 DPIs the entire year?

Remember the raiders game where tyreek was tackled before the ball got there??

You would think the best receivers in the league draw the most DPIs.....

Evans is good, Godwin didn’t play most of the season, and Gronk runs a 5 second 40.

27-4 in DPIs just doesn’t add up (nor does the favoritism Brady gets in the playoffs).

I thought the jags playoff game was the worst I ever witnessed until sundays game.


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I try not to get too wrapped up in the officiating, but my god this is hard to ignore.

27-4. That’s just fucking insane.

We see Kelce get mugged almost constantly. Twice in the Super Bowl he was tackled before catching the ball. For whatever reason, we aren’t getting the calls.

Mahomes and Reid should be working those refs more and more. Who gives a fuck what opposing fans think? Sure it’s annoying, but apparently it works.

[htismaqe]

I try not to get too wrapped up in the officiating, but my god this is hard to ignore.

27-4. That’s just fucking insane.

We see Kelce get mugged almost constantly. Twice in the Super Bowl he was tackled before catching the ball. For whatever reason, we aren’t getting the calls.

Mahomes and Reid should be working those refs more and more. Who gives a fuck what opposing fans think? Sure it’s annoying, but apparently it works.

Kelce had 2 catches that nobody really made a big deal about because he caught them but David was all over him before the ball ever got there. Should have been automatic first downs in both cases.

[smithandrew051]

Kelce had 2 catches that nobody really made a big deal about because he caught them but David was all over him before the ball ever got there. Should have been automatic first downs in both cases.

Exactly the plays that I’m referring to.

Our players need to cry for flags more. It’s annoying but this shit is out of control.

Kelce and Mahomes need to be losing their shit on plays like that. Lord knows Brady and Gronk would. They’d get the flag too.

[comochiefsfan]

Here's the deal:

It's been a well established fact that the NFL Playoffs are officiated much more loosely than the regular season is.

Nobody wants to watch a flag fest determine the biggest games of the year, so the refs are instructed to only call "clear and obvious" penalties.

And then suddenly, in this particular game, the Chiefs get ambushed with the most first half penaties in SUPER BOWL HISTORY. Most of which not only were not "clear and obvious", but weren't even penalties at all. The referees essentially held Tom Brady's hand and led him down the field for two touchdown drives without Tom even having to break a sweat.

I don't know if the Chiefs win without the penalties (The O-Line may have done us in regardless), but what I do know is that either Cheffers' crew are the most incompetent officiating unit in league history, or somebody instructed them to make sure the Chiefs were flagged to kingdom come. Whether it was a miscalculated attempt to keep the game competitive, or just an outright rigging to ensure the Buccaneers won i'm not sure.

I REALLY don't want to believe the NFL is rigged, it's my favorite sports league in the world. But the evidence is right there in my face. I'd be a fool to ignore it......

[comochiefsfan]

Who do you think is the best quarterback of all time? Name your top 5?

No adult male younger than me is my hero/idol. I am willing to criticize Brady for some off the field stuff that I wouldn't do but I judge athletes on the field based upon their performances within context.

But I defend Brady since I find people denying his greatness at this point to just be in massive denial. It isn't good for their health. I may be off-put by some athletes but I can still accept their greatness and that they are incredible.

Yes, I can speak to statistics.

Brady's key stats.

230-69 in regular season.
34-11 in playoffs.
10 Super Bowl appearances, 7 wins and he will probably get #8 before he retires. Next highest quarterbacks have 4 Super Bowl wins. And when you win the Super Bowl, you need to play well enough to get there.

His teams in New England and Tampa won a lot less games before he arrived and New England won 5 less games than the previous year the two years they played without him(acl injury year and now this year).

Check out Bill Bellichick's record without Brady.
Check out the last time the Bucs made the playoffs before Brady.

It isn't all Brady but he is easily best quarterback in NFL history. For many years, he did more with less in terms of skill position players which allowed Patriots to spend more on special teams/defense.

Was Brady helped by having the end of his career overlap this era? Sure. But quarterbacks that came after him helped even more by the rule changes that overtime increasingly emphasize player safety.Brady is not even CLOSE to the best quarterback in NFL history. Most "accomplished" thinks to a LOT of help? Sure.

Mahomes is already a better quarterback than Brady has ever been.

[stevegroganfan]

Two of the most difficult receivers in the league to cover (Kelce and hill) and they drew 4 DPIs the entire year?

Remember the raiders game where tyreek was tackled before the ball got there??

You would think the best receivers in the league draw the most DPIs.....

Evans is good, Godwin didn’t play most of the season, and Gronk runs a 5 second 40.

27-4 in DPIs just doesn’t add up (nor does the favoritism Brady gets in the playoffs).

I thought the jags playoff game was the worst I ever witnessed until sundays game.


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It is playing style and physical ability and QB accuracy and type of throws made that are the determining factor. Back in the 80's Steve Largent was a great possession receiver but I doubt he picked up many pass interference calls due to the nature of his game.

Godwin sometimes played banged up but he still played 12 out of the 16 regular season games this year.

Kelce tends to run fairly short to intermediate routes into zones so maybe some holding calls he gets but not many PI's make sense.

For an NFL receiver, Hill is fairly short with world class speed or damn close to it. Defenders after pressing him at the line are not exactly in great position to interfere with him. He is just too fast for the person covering him in press man to really interfere much on those crossing/deep routes and often has safety help.

And the accuracy/perceived accuracy of a quarterback and amount of passing attempts a team makes and where they go play heavily into it.

Cam Newton didn't receive many pass interference calls this year. Since he ran the ball a lot, Newton has below average accuracy down the field and Patriots receivers and tight ends were bottom 5 in the league. While I was rooting for Cam Newton this year, I don't think the lack of penalties for pass interference the Patriots received this year was anything sinister. Edelman older and out most of year. No established receivers/tight ends.

If Chiefs ever get a "Mike Evans type" with Patrick Mahomes, it is a great bet that he will get plenty of calls.

Chiefs entire offense is designed to get the ball to playmakers with space to operate.

Tampa Bays offense is designed very differently. Team certainly changed to more of a New England playbook for post season but thanks to Evans/Godwin Brady probably throwing the ball downfield the most in a decade.

I believe Bucs led the NFL in downfield throws/completions or were damn close to leading it.

I totally agree with any Chiefs fan who says T Hill > Mike Evans.

He is a better receiver but he just doesn't have as good of a game for getting pass interference calls.

Hill is sometimes getting so open that there is no defender near him to even interfere.

[TribalElder]

Buccaneers were the beneficiary of 27 PI calls this 2020 season, Kansas City received 4.

No other team had more than 19 (Miami/Pittsburgh) and 28 teams had less than 15.

Buccaneers were the beneficiary of 12 PI last year with Winston throwing for over 5000 yards...

Brady's Bucs received 15 more PI calls than the same team did last season...and set an NFL record.

Brady had 12 more PI calls than 28 other teams....16 more than 21 teams. He was essentially getting twice the PI calls of nearly every other franchise...and 7 times the amount as Mahomes.

25 teams had 11 or less...

Numbers dont lie...only the media about Brady's "greatness"

Chiefs were called for 2 PIs in one quarter of the SB...they only had their opponents flagged 4 times all year.

Look at the very top row..about 1/2 across. You'll see the beneficiary column.


https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2020&view=team

so based on that website it was actually 30 PI flags as 3 were dismissed (probably completed the pass but refs made damn sure)

[BlackOp]

It's been a well established fact that the NFL Playoffs are officiated much more loosely than the regular season is.


This will never change no matter how much light is shown on it..,

Like it or not...the NFL is in bed with Vegas. They have their mainstream bobble heads discussing point spreads now...this is a new development.

The flexibility to change how a game is called on any given week/game allows them to control the spread.

They created their own cable channel and filled it with apologists....company men. It's pretty brilliant...they can do all kinds of suspect shit and have former players whitewash it away..especially when they either completely ignore it..or all act in agreement. It's literally a page out of state sponsored news.

Like Simms said.."If they called the NFCCG like they called the SB...the Packers would have won".

The thing is they only changed up how it was called for the Chiefs....hence the record amount of penalties in SB history. Bucs were still aggressive with Kelce..

And like throughout his bullshit career...Brady benefited from these changes...it didn't affect his team at all. Brady is always on the winning side when it comes to suspect officiating.

I outlined his past 4 CCG/SBs...and it reflects this fact.

[stevegroganfan]

Brady is not even CLOSE to the best quarterback in NFL history. Most "accomplished" thinks to a LOT of help? Sure.

Mahomes is already a better quarterback than Brady has ever been.

If Brady isn't close to best quarterback in NFL history, name 5 quarterbacks in NFL history better than him.

[htismaqe]

If Brady isn't close to best quarterback in NFL history, name 5 quarterbacks in NFL history better than him.

Nobody cares what you think.

[BlackOp]

Nobody cares what you think.

It's REALLY important to him for Brady to be considered one of the greatest...otherwise he wouldn't have asked it.

All the Patrio-tards have their identity attached to him...everyone who has ever come here. It's like they've been cloned and reprogrammed.

They freak the **** out if you dare say a cross word about their lord and master...because if you say his career is a sham...you are inadvertently saying THEY are sham....

[htismaqe]

It's REALLY important to him for Brady to be considered one of the greatest...otherwise he wouldn't have asked it.

All the Patrio-tards have their identity attached to him...everyone who has ever come here. It's like they've been cloned and reprogrammed.

They freak the fuck out if you dare say a cross word about their lord and master...

Yep.

[Frosty]

And while Mike Evans is not as good as T. Hill as a receiver, the guy is no scrub. First receiver in NFL history to have 1000 yards 7 straight years. Draft position isn't always meaningful but #7 pick in the draft. His yards where down this year in part due to injury but if you watched the games this year, Teams were interfering with him blatantly quite often.

Admittedly, Evans himself sometimes pushes off himself...that is just less frequent since he normally doesn't have to.

People are really making this about Brady, when I bet a high amount of those calls went to Evans.

If Patriots had Mike Evans last year, they would have been facing off against Chiefs in AFC Championship game and wouldn't have even been playing the Titans in round 1 since the team would have had a bye.

BTW, the main reason Brady's receiver's didn't get a ton of pass interference calls his first 3 Super Bowl wins, Patriots didn't have a stud wide receiver or a truly dominant tight end until Randy Moss in 2007.

If the team doesn't have the receivers to go down the field successfully that often, they won't get the long pass interference calls.

And if the passer is inaccurate, there is less of a need to interfere.

Someone else can look at the data but I doubt there are many ultra fast receivers like T Hill getting tons of PI calls down the field. Defenders often even not in position to trip him or get their hands on him while he is running.

And someone like Gronk was a 6"6 physical freak that was willing to go deep at times so someone like him with an accurate passer like Brady throwing him the ball was going to convince linebackers/safety's that they are best off holding/pass interfering.

Chris Godwin another big physical receiver who has some speed as well.

Evans and Godwin played in 2019 with Winston throwing over 5000 yards and they only had 12 DPIs. It's pretty clear what the difference between 2019 and 2020 is and why there were more than double the DPIs in the latter (and it wasn't Gronk, who had pedestrian numbers).

[LiveSteam]

I dated a professional model for 3 years. I have a pretty solid bead on how that industry works.

You are correct that when all you deal with is the top .05% in genetic beauty...they tend to look for models that have unique attributes. Everyone is pretty in that world.. Giselle isn't even that unique looking in comparison...there are some truly striking women out there. 5' 11" isn't unique either...

This is more about her being a witch and making nearly a half-billion on a pretty unremarkable face. There could be 10,000 girls out there being her...but SHE is the one. There is more going on there...wouldn't even be remotely surprised if she is tied in with the Mothers of Darkness.
Mothers of darkness.
That's every mother I ever dated.

[UK_Chief]

4 DPI calls for the chiefs is unbelievable with the amount we throw the ball!

[SuperBowl4]

BREAKING NEWS: The NFL and their refs LOVE Tom Brady!

[GloryDayz]

I try not to get too wrapped up in the officiating, but my god this is hard to ignore.



27-4. That’s just fucking insane.



We see Kelce get mugged almost constantly. Twice in the Super Bowl he was tackled before catching the ball. For whatever reason, we aren’t getting the calls.



Mahomes and Reid should be working those refs more and more. Who gives a fuck what opposing fans think? Sure it’s annoying, but apparently it works.Vigorously lobbying the officials for a call works, perhaps not right away, but it works over time. It's parts of the game within the game.

You have to lobby vigorously to draw the cameras attention and get the talking heads to discuss it on the broadcast.

Then your coach and owner need to have your back in meetings that cameras aren't allowed in. Perhaps force the topic to be discussed.

Bah, who am I kidding.

[GloryDayz]

Kelce had 2 catches that nobody really made a big deal about because he caught them but David was all over him before the ball ever got there. Should have been automatic first downs in both cases.Wait for it... "Officiating is tough...." Or..... "There's a hold on every play bla-bla-bla...."

As I've said so many times, "officials call everything they see, but only see what they want...."

[POND_OF_RED]

If Brady isn't close to best quarterback in NFL history, name 5 quarterbacks in NFL history better than him.

If Brady doesn’t benefit from the referees can you name another QB in the history of the league that has a rule named after him? Or two for that matter when you think about the tuck rule as well. His legacy will always be overshadowed by controversial cheating scandals and ball washing referees. He’s earned all of the controversy that surrounds him. He’s the Barry Bonds of football.

[ChiefRocka]

If Brady doesn’t benefit from the referees can you name another QB in the history of the league that has a rule named after him? Or two for that matter when you think about the tuck rule as well. His legacy will always be overshadowed by controversial cheating scandals and ball washing referees. He’s earned all of the controversy that surrounds him. He’s the Barry Bonds of football.

Asterisk franchise. Cheese money to the NFL.

NFL is theater, we were Hamilton last year!

[RealSNR]

If Brady isn't close to best quarterback in NFL history, name 5 quarterbacks in NFL history better than him.

Drew Bledsoe, for one

[2112]

If Brady doesn’t benefit from the referees can you name another QB in the history of the league that has a rule named after him? Or two for that matter when you think about the tuck rule as well. His legacy will always be overshadowed by controversial cheating scandals and ball washing referees. He’s earned all of the controversy that surrounds him. He’s the Barry Bonds of football.

The NY Jets are to blame for the beginning of this. Knocking out Bledsoe during the 2001 season and letting Brady play. and If the Jets don’t beat the Raiders on the last game of the 2001 season (only to lay down for them the following week) the Raiders get the bye and home field advantage instead of the Patriots. And the Patriots wouldn’t have beaten them in Oakland even if they got by their first round opponent.

[TNTEICHER]

If Brady isn't close to best quarterback in NFL history, name 5 quarterbacks in NFL history better than him.

Mahomes
Rogers
Manning
Elway
Marino (yes I said it)
Montana
Young

Brady is the most accomplished, not best.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

If only there was a history of several tampering, fines & loss of draft picks

[Red Dawg]

The thing that gets to me about Brady is I don't see GOAT status in many of his SB runs.

1. 4 of them he wasn't very good, Bill cheated and I don't consider getting into FG range to have the kicker save the day greatness. Against the Rams he made one throw to win and the rest of the game he shit.
2. He has never had anything less than a stud defense. I mean not one single season.
3. There is statistical data that proves the refs have helped him many times when he struggled. Many seasons for that matter including this one.
4. Never had a shit OL.
5. Played in a super shitty bad division. Manning did as well.

I will give him credit for The Seattle win, he did drive the field to give them the lead. He can have credit for the Atlanta win as well even though Bill's defense didn't allow any points in the second half. This year defense beat the Saints and the Pack, he didn't have to do much. Against us the refs, our OL and his defense are the stories of the game not Brady super play. He gets credit for 7 SB wins as if he was the driving force behind all of them. That just isn't true.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

At the end of first half of Bucs vs Vikes. First Hail Mary DPI since 2008

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2020/12/13/buccaneers-vikings-hail-mary-pass-interference/

[Coochie liquor]

Exactly the plays that I’m referring to.

Our players need to cry for flags more. It’s annoying but this shit is out of control.

Kelce and Mahomes need to be losing their shit on plays like that. Lord knows Brady and Gronk would. They’d get the flag too.

Suh punched Mahomes in the helmet, Mahomes threw his arms up and pointed to his head. Refs did nothing, because they didn’t want us to win. Thanks Britt Reid!

[DJJasonp]

It is playing style and physical ability and QB accuracy and type of throws made that are the determining factor. Back in the 80's Steve Largent was a great possession receiver but I doubt he picked up many pass interference calls due to the nature of his game.

Godwin sometimes played banged up but he still played 12 out of the 16 regular season games this year.

Kelce tends to run fairly short to intermediate routes into zones so maybe some holding calls he gets but not many PI's make sense.

For an NFL receiver, Hill is fairly short with world class speed or damn close to it. Defenders after pressing him at the line are not exactly in great position to interfere with him. He is just too fast for the person covering him in press man to really interfere much on those crossing/deep routes and often has safety help.

And the accuracy/perceived accuracy of a quarterback and amount of passing attempts a team makes and where they go play heavily into it.

Cam Newton didn't receive many pass interference calls this year. Since he ran the ball a lot, Newton has below average accuracy down the field and Patriots receivers and tight ends were bottom 5 in the league. While I was rooting for Cam Newton this year, I don't think the lack of penalties for pass interference the Patriots received this year was anything sinister. Edelman older and out most of year. No established receivers/tight ends.

If Chiefs ever get a "Mike Evans type" with Patrick Mahomes, it is a great bet that he will get plenty of calls.

Chiefs entire offense is designed to get the ball to playmakers with space to operate.

Tampa Bays offense is designed very differently. Team certainly changed to more of a New England playbook for post season but thanks to Evans/Godwin Brady probably throwing the ball downfield the most in a decade.

I believe Bucs led the NFL in downfield throws/completions or were damn close to leading it.

I totally agree with any Chiefs fan who says T Hill > Mike Evans.

He is a better receiver but he just doesn't have as good of a game for getting pass interference calls.

Hill is sometimes getting so open that there is no defender near him to even interfere.

I cant believe you tried to "explain this away"......

Have you watched any chiefs games other than the brady bowl? Kelce gets mugged nearly every route.....and you dont think tyreek gets held past the 5 yards it's allowed?

(more than 4 times the entire season?)

Just please stop trying to explain the indefensible.

[BlackOp]

If Brady isn't close to best quarterback in NFL history, name 5 quarterbacks in NFL history better than him.

Montana...and it's not really close

Penalties in the 4 Montana SBs

Montana's team 18-145
Opponents 16-132

Penalties in the last 4 Brady SBs

Brady's team 11-87
Opponents 35-285

Fake GOAT is fake...

Montana was actually penalized MORE than his competition...

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Suh punched Mahomes in the helmet, Mahomes threw his arms up and pointed to his head. Refs did nothing, because they didn’t want us to win. Thanks Britt Reid!

It would also be nice to have an offensive linemen or two that would go up to Suh and defend Pat in that situation, rather than watching Andrew Wylie pick turf out of his ass from getting beaten like a drum every play.

You can bet your ass if Osemele was around he would have let Suh know that shit wasn't going to fly.

[PunkinDrublic]

I cant believe you tried to "explain this away"......

Have you watched any chiefs games other than the brady bowl? Kelce gets mugged nearly every route.....and you dont think tyreek gets held past the 5 yards it's allowed?

(more than 4 times the entire season?)

Just please stop trying to explain the indefensible.

This is why Boston fans are so universally hated. It has nothing to do with jealousy. Smug, repugnant pieces of shit who are fond of yelling racial slurs at players like it’s the 1950’s.

[PHOG]

I cant believe you tried to "explain this away"......

Have you watched any chiefs games other than the brady bowl? Kelce gets mugged nearly every route.....and you dont think tyreek gets held past the 5 yards it's allowed?

(more than 4 times the entire season?)

Just please stop trying to explain the indefensible.

No shit, he reminds me of this character:

https://media.tenor.com/images/9b056c0d08219e0dcca853dfe9d0023e/tenor.gif

[gblowfish]

Goodell votes to acquit.

[stevegroganfan]

I cant believe you tried to "explain this away"......

Have you watched any chiefs games other than the brady bowl? Kelce gets mugged nearly every route.....and you dont think tyreek gets held past the 5 yards it's allowed?

(more than 4 times the entire season?)

Just please stop trying to explain the indefensible.

I watched nearly half of the Chiefs games during regular season and all playoff games.

A tight end or receiver getting mugged after he catches the ball or is in the process of catching the ball is legal.

Tyreek from what I have seen rarely gets held in a way that normally draws flags for NFL players past 5 years. It is just awfully difficult to do because of his explosiveness and the sorta of routes he tends to run the most.

[stevegroganfan]

This is why Boston fans are so universally hated. It has nothing to do with jealousy. Smug, repugnant pieces of shit who are fond of yelling racial slurs at players like it’s the 1950’s.

Racial slurs in Boston amongst fans have been very rare for the last 30 years. Not saying they don't happen on rare ocassions but the Patriots under Bob Kraft instituted a family friendly environment soon after he took over. If you are an obnoxious drunk behaving poorly, good chance you lose season tickets.

Your comments come from a fan base not always known for its civil behavior.
I remember a Chiefs fan pointing a laser pointer against Tom Brady in 2018 AFC Championship game.

https://sports.yahoo.com/kansas-city-chiefs-new-england-patriots-tom-brady-laser-afc-championship-man-fined-pled-guilty-215217562.html

[htismaqe]

Nobody cares what you think.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Crocks have been made since around the civil war. Filling them full of shit is really nothing to feel special about

[BlackOp]

Notice how this Brady fanboi just ignored my Montana SB penalty stats...it's too uncomfortable to acknowledge. They know he's an imposter...

This is what they have to do keep the fantasy alive...it's a cult.

Mental gymnastics and selective reasoning.

[SuperBowl4]

The NFL and the refs decide who the GOAT is.

[OKchiefs]

Racial slurs in Boston amongst fans have been very rare for the last 30 years. Not saying they don't happen on rare ocassions but the Patriots under Bob Kraft instituted a family friendly environment soon after he took over. If you are an obnoxious drunk behaving poorly, good chance you lose season tickets.

Your comments come from a fan base not always known for its civil behavior.
I remember a Chiefs fan pointing a laser pointer against Tom Brady in 2018 AFC Championship game.

https://sports.yahoo.com/kansas-city-chiefs-new-england-patriots-tom-brady-laser-afc-championship-man-fined-pled-guilty-215217562.html

The only unfortunate part of that incident was that the laser wasn't attached to something with a little kick.

[Bearcat]

"From a fanbase" ROFLLMAO

There's a little bit of laser pointer guy in all of us now.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Brady should retire so the Bucs can pursue Watson. He won't

[AdolfOliverBush]

If we're going to buy into the notion that the NFL is rigged, then we should be skeptical of the Chiefs as well. They just so happened to have their worst game in over 3 years, in the Super Bowl, while playing against a team they thrashed earlier in the year?

If the fix was in, the Chiefs were in on it.

[comochiefsfan]

If we're going to buy into the notion that the NFL is rigged, then we should be skeptical of the Chiefs as well. They just so happened to have their worst game in over 3 years, in the Super Bowl, while playing against a team they thrashed earlier in the year?

If the fix was in, the Chiefs were in on it.There have been thousands of NFL players over the history of the league. A good portion of them have gone broke after their playing career.

If the players were in on the fix, someone would've come out by now in order to make a buck.

[comochiefsfan]

My question is, why on Earth would the NFL not want Mahomes to win that game? It just seems like common business sense.

Mahomes is the better player, he's the more spectacular player, he's much better theater. Brady is on his way out, he's old, won't be around more than a couple more years.

It's a no brainer for him to have him pass the torch to Mahomes in that Super Bowl. It gives the NFL another face as big as Brady for the next 15 years. The thrill of the "GOAT chase" would have made for enthralling storylines year after year.

Instead, the referees ensured that Mahomes never had a chance. They ended the GOAT debate before it even had a chance to begin. They erased potential storylines that would have carried the league for the forseeable future.

It just doesn't make any sense. We KNOW the game was unfairly officiated. The statistics are impossible to ignore. The question is "Why Brady?" when common business sense says you want Mahomes to win that game. The NFL had a big opportunity on Sunday Night and they made a very perplexing choice.

[Mahomes_Is_God]

LOL. Brady is a total fraud.

[Pants]

My question is, why on Earth would the NFL not want Mahomes to win that game? It just seems like common business sense.

Mahomes is the better player, he's the more spectacular player, he's much better theater. Brady is on his way out, he's old, won't be around more than a couple more years.

It's a no brainer for him to have him pass the torch to Mahomes in that Super Bowl. It gives the NFL another face as big as Brady for the next 15 years. The thrill of the "GOAT chase" would have made for enthralling storylines year after year.

Instead, the referees ensured that Mahomes never had a chance. They ended the GOAT debate before it even had a chance to begin. They erased potential storylines that would have carried the league for the forseeable future.

It just doesn't make any sense. We KNOW the game was unfairly officiated. The statistics are impossible to ignore. The question is "Why Brady?" when common business sense says you want Mahomes to win that game. The NFL had a big opportunity on Sunday Night and they made a very perplexing choice.

Because it's probably not some mandate from league to "make" Tom Brady the winner. Like some folks already mentioned, it's a combination of factors like favoritism, constant grooming of the officials by Tom (complaining, pointing out things to look for, etc), and respect he's earned over the years.

He's the NFL's golden boy, the biggest star, and gets treated like one.

[jjjayb]

So what ever happened with the Pats being caught cheating again last year and filming the opponents sideline? Last I heard the NFL "was investigating".

[htismaqe]

Because it's probably not some mandate from league to "make" Tom Brady the winner. Like some folks already mentioned, it's a combination of factors like favoritism, constant grooming of the officials by Tom (complaining, pointing out things to look for, etc), and respect he's earned over the years.

He's the NFL's golden boy, the biggest star, and gets treated like one.

Yup.

[rabblerouser]

Because it's probably not some mandate from league to "make" Tom Brady the winner. Like some folks already mentioned, it's a combination of factors like favoritism, constant grooming of the officials by Tom (complaining, pointing out things to look for, etc), and respect he's earned over the years.

He's the NFL's golden boy, the biggest star, and gets treated like one.

Nah. It's predetermined.

https://953wdae.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2021-02-03-former-bucs-sb-champ-says-nfls-rigged-tampa-bays-03-title-illegitimate/?__twitter_impression=true

[crispystl]

My question is, why on Earth would the NFL not want Mahomes to win that game? It just seems like common business sense.

Mahomes is the better player, he's the more spectacular player, he's much better theater. Brady is on his way out, he's old, won't be around more than a couple more years.

It's a no brainer for him to have him pass the torch to Mahomes in that Super Bowl. It gives the NFL another face as big as Brady for the next 15 years. The thrill of the "GOAT chase" would have made for enthralling storylines year after year.

Instead, the referees ensured that Mahomes never had a chance. They ended the GOAT debate before it even had a chance to begin. They erased potential storylines that would have carried the league for the forseeable future.

It just doesn't make any sense. We KNOW the game was unfairly officiated. The statistics are impossible to ignore. The question is "Why Brady?" when common business sense says you want Mahomes to win that game. The NFL had a big opportunity on Sunday Night and they made a very perplexing choice.

I was thinking about this earlier today...is it possible they're just setting brady up so he can be knocked down by Mahomes? Are they rigging games for Brady now and once he retires they'll rig them for Mahomes so they get the ULTIMATE story line and completely squeeze the juice out of both lemons (Mahomes and Brady)?

[PunkinDrublic]

Racial slurs in Boston amongst fans have been very rare for the last 30 years. Not saying they don't happen on rare ocassions but the Patriots under Bob Kraft instituted a family friendly environment soon after he took over. If you are an obnoxious drunk behaving poorly, good chance you lose season tickets.

Your comments come from a fan base not always known for its civil behavior.
I remember a Chiefs fan pointing a laser pointer against Tom Brady in 2018 AFC Championship game.

https://sports.yahoo.com/kansas-city-chiefs-new-england-patriots-tom-brady-laser-afc-championship-man-fined-pled-guilty-215217562.html


Tori Hunter had a no trade clause to the Red Sox because he was called a nigger so many times by Boston fans. Every black fan I’ve ever met from Boston roots for another cities teams because they want nothing to do with Boston fans.

[penguinz]

Nah. It's predetermined.

https://953wdae.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2021-02-03-former-bucs-sb-champ-says-nfls-rigged-tampa-bays-03-title-illegitimate/?__twitter_impression=true

Don't believe that moron. he was bitter he is only talked to before the superbowl. He even said so.

[stevegroganfan]

So what ever happened with the Pats being caught cheating again last year and filming the opponents sideline? Last I heard the NFL "was investigating".

Stripped of a 3rd round draft pick and fined 1.1 million.

It wasn't intentional and I believe the league acknowledged that. I mean if you are going to film a team to cheat, why choose a team like Cincinnati that was like the worst in the league that season.

[GoChargers]

Mahomes
Rogers
Manning
Elway
Marino (yes I said it)
Montana
Young

Brady is the most accomplished, not best.

Don't forget Favre, Unitas, Graham, Starr... there's plenty of better quarterbacks than Brady. They just didn't get the ref help or the cheating scandals that Brady benefits from. Well, except for Peyton, but he canceled a lot of that help out by being one of the biggest playoff choke artists ever. At least Brady usually manages to avoid screwing up with all that help.

[GoChargers]

My question is, why on Earth would the NFL not want Mahomes to win that game? It just seems like common business sense.

Mahomes is the better player, he's the more spectacular player, he's much better theater. Brady is on his way out, he's old, won't be around more than a couple more years.

It's a no brainer for him to have him pass the torch to Mahomes in that Super Bowl. It gives the NFL another face as big as Brady for the next 15 years. The thrill of the "GOAT chase" would have made for enthralling storylines year after year.

Instead, the referees ensured that Mahomes never had a chance. They ended the GOAT debate before it even had a chance to begin. They erased potential storylines that would have carried the league for the forseeable future.

It just doesn't make any sense. We KNOW the game was unfairly officiated. The statistics are impossible to ignore. The question is "Why Brady?" when common business sense says you want Mahomes to win that game. The NFL had a big opportunity on Sunday Night and they made a very perplexing choice.
This is the same league who took a look at that tiny soccer stadium in Carson and still agreed with Dean Spanos that it was a better place to play than San Diego. Their decisions stopped making logical sense a while ago, they're all based on greed and complacency now.

[xztop123]

I think Brady has a good eye for attacking defenders who are out of position or are in a position to commit a penalty. With enough air under a ball you can get a defender to mistime his break on the wr thus creating an artificial pi

In order to contend this point we’d need to go through all 27 of his PI calls and count how many were not obvious.

The number of 50/50 calls is what we should be looking at.

It is possible that Brady is skilled at getting teams to interfere. There are ways to increase the likelihood

[Giant Octopodes]

Mahomes
Rogers
Manning
Elway
Marino (yes I said it)
Montana
Young

Brady is the most accomplished, not best.

Your list shows you let the media do your thinking for you. Let's tackle them in turn.

Rodgers: Has never come back from a deficit against a team with a winning record. I think literally, ever. Get him in a hole vs a legitimate competitor and he folds like a cheap table. Not exactly who I'd want under center for my team.

Manning: Look, just because Eli won those two games doesn't make him one of the greatest QBs of all time. Yes, he has the head to head, but that doesn't matter, look at the overall career.

Elway: How can you as a Chiefs fan think the incredibly overrated Elway deserves a spot on this list? The guy had a career passer rating under 80. His TD:Int ratio was under 1.5. He was 7-7 in the playoffs before his final two years. And those two Super Bowls he won, basically the reason anyone remembers him at all? He had an average passer rating of 75, 1 TD, 2 Ints, and was carried to wins by his defense.

Marino: Far from being the "greatest thrower of the football ever", he not only had a lower passer rating than his contemporary Montana, he had a lower passer rating than Otto Graham, who played literally 30 years earlier under much less favorable offensive conditions. He went 8-10 in the playoffs. He accomplished absolutely nothing of note. He had multiple YEARS with a sub 80 passer rating. Competes with Elway for most overrated QB of all time, nothing more.

Montana: Hey, at least he's better than the last two. A great QB and proven winner. Never mind that Brady is like doubling up on him in most categories, or that "the catch" had no higher a degree of difficulty than either Gronk TD in the latest Super Bowl it just had lots of media fawning, there's tons of excuses to be made for him so if someone wants to argue someone with literally worse stats in every way is better than Brady cuz "Muh Nostalgia", I'm not going to argue against them.

Young: A fantastic, and often underrated player. Legitimately I respect him being on this list. Over 2:1 TD to Int ratio, highest career passer rating when he retired, a proven winner, great QB. Mobile, electric, multiple Super Bowl wins. Not as good as Brady but the best on this list imho.

Look, if you want to argue against Brady as the GOAT, do it right. Use the following ammo:

Otto Graham: Set records that would stand for DECADES. Sure, Brady might retire as the most yards, tds, top 2 Passer Rating among retired players, so on and so forth. But Otto Graham set records for passer rating which went untouched for 30 years, rather than being surpassed by players already active when he retired. He set records for championships and winning that weren't matched until Brady himself, half a century later. It's all well and good to be the best of your era, but to be the GOAT? You should be not just better than your peers but so far above them it takes decades for someone to come close.

Patrick Mahomes: If we want to say the best QB is the one with the highest passer rating, Mahomes is statistically and objectively a better thrower of the football at this time. Doesn't matter that he's played 3 years to Brady's 30, and has had his entire career in the most pass friendly rule structure the NFL has ever seen, he's setting records and setting new high water marks above all other current and retired NFL QBs.

With those two you'll at least have a valid argument rather than your gut feeling that "he's just not that good", a gut feeling which is proven wrong constantly in every conceivable way because it's just wrong. There are legit arguments to be made against Brady being the GOAT. But to say Elway was better? Just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.

[kccrow]

Pretty sure he was referencing Peyton Manning, not Eli. Peyton was a far better QB than Brady ever has been. Maybe if he consistently got the help Brady has, he'd be on par in Super Bowl wins too. Instead, he was only gifted one.

[rabblerouser]

m
Instead, the referees ensured that Mahomes never had a chance.

We KNOW the game was unfairly officiated. The statistics are impossible to ignore. The question is "Why Brady?" when common business sense says you want Mahomes to win that game. The NFL had a big opportunity on Sunday Night and they made a very perplexing choice.

Oh, so you see how the NFL manipulates the outcomes to their games too?

[rabblerouser]

If we're going to buy into the notion that the NFL is rigged, then we should be skeptical of the Chiefs as well. They just so happened to have their worst game in over 3 years, in the Super Bowl, while playing against a team they thrashed earlier in the year?

If the fix was in, the Chiefs were in on it.

Oh gee, ya really ****ing think so, Detective?

https://media4.giphy.com/media/GfAD7Bl016Gfm/giphy.gif

[rabblerouser]

I try not to get too wrapped up in the officiating, but my god this is hard to ignore.

27-4. That’s just ****ing insane.

We see Kelce get mugged almost constantly. Twice in the Super Bowl he was tackled before catching the ball. For whatever reason, we aren’t getting the calls.

Mahomes and Reid should be working those refs more and more. Who gives a **** what opposing fans think? Sure it’s annoying, but apparently it works.

Apparently, you don't understand what is happening here...

[rabblerouser]

If Brady isn't close to best quarterback in NFL history, name 5 quarterbacks in NFL history better than him.

Joe Montana
Johnny Unitas
Patrick Mahomes
Bart Starr
Otto Graham

Easy.

[rabblerouser]

Here's the deal:

It's been a well established fact that the NFL Playoffs are officiated much more loosely than the regular season is.

Nobody wants to watch a flag fest determine the biggest games of the year, so the refs are instructed to only call "clear and obvious" penalties.

And then suddenly, in this particular game, the Chiefs get ambushed with the most first half penaties in SUPER BOWL HISTORY. Most of which not only were not "clear and obvious", but weren't even penalties at all. The referees essentially held Tom Brady's hand and led him down the field for two touchdown drives without Tom even having to break a sweat.

I don't know if the Chiefs win without the penalties (The O-Line may have done us in regardless), but what I do know is that either Cheffers' crew are the most incompetent officiating unit in league history, or somebody instructed them to make sure the Chiefs were flagged to kingdom come. Whether it was a miscalculated attempt to keep the game competitive, or just an outright rigging to ensure the Buccaneers won i'm not sure.

I REALLY don't want to believe the NFL is rigged, it's my favorite sports league in the world. But the evidence is right there in my face. I'd be a fool to ignore it......
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

[rabblerouser]

This will never change no matter how much light is shown on it..,

Like it or not...the NFL is in bed with Vegas. They have their mainstream bobble heads discussing point spreads now...this is a new development.

The flexibility to change how a game is called on any given week/game allows them to control the spread.

They created their own cable channel and filled it with apologists....company men. It's pretty brilliant...they can do all kinds of suspect shit and have former players whitewash it away..especially when they either completely ignore it..or all act in agreement. It's literally a page out of state sponsored news.

Like Simms said.."If they called the NFCCG like they called the SB...the Packers would have won".

The thing is they only changed up how it was called for the Chiefs....hence the record amount of penalties in SB history. Bucs were still aggressive with Kelce..

And like throughout his bullshit career...Brady benefited from these changes...it didn't affect his team at all. Brady is always on the winning side when it comes to suspect officiating.

I outlined his past 4 CCG/SBs...and it reflects this fact.

Nailed it.

[rabblerouser]

Asterisk franchise. Cheese money to the NFL.

NFL is theater, we were Hamilton last year!

Remember, Bob Kraft was on the board for CBS that brokered the deal for NFL on CBS...

There's a lot of TV money involved, and Bob Kraft helped make that happen for the league.

[rabblerouser]

It would also be nice to have an offensive linemen or two that would go up to Suh and defend Pat in that situation, rather than watching Andrew Wylie pick turf out of his ass from getting beaten like a drum every play.

You can bet your ass if Osemele was around he would have let Suh know that shit wasn't going to fly.

One of our d-lineman should've just powerbombed Brady, Kevin Nash-style.

Like "y'all want to play THAT game, eh? Bring in Blaine Fucking Gabbert, then..."

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

The Brady Witch has weaknesses. The servant toad spell got only surf toe. All is far from over

[rabblerouser]

Montana: Hey, at least he's better than the last two. A great QB and proven winner. Never mind that Brady is like doubling up on him in most categories, or that "the catch" had no higher a degree of difficulty than either Gronk TD in the latest Super Bowl it just had lots of media fawning, there's tons of excuses to be made for him so if someone wants to argue someone with literally worse stats in every way is better than Brady cuz "Muh Nostalgia", I'm not going to argue against them.

Young: A fantastic, and often underrated player. Legitimately I respect him being on this list. Over 2:1 TD to Int ratio, highest career passer rating when he retired, a proven winner, great QB. Mobile, electric, multiple Super Bowl wins. Not as good as Brady but the best on this list imho.



1. Montana : 4-0 in Super Bowls...and did not throw a single interception in any of them. Absolute perfection. Injuries derailed his career, but he played during an era when QBs got the dogslobber knocked out of them. Tom wouldn't have played to 35 in that era, much less to 43.

2. Steve Young only has 1 Super Bowl victory that I recall. Maybe you're talking about someone else?

[rabblerouser]

The NY Jets are to blame for the beginning of this. Knocking out Bledsoe during the 2001 season and letting Brady play. and If the Jets don’t beat the Raiders on the last game of the 2001 season (only to lay down for them the following week) the Raiders get the bye and home field advantage instead of the Patriots. And the Patriots wouldn’t have beaten them in Oakland even if they got by their first round opponent.

Belichick was planning on replacing Bledsoe eventually anyway- Mo Lewis just forced the situation by almost killing Bledsoe.

[rabblerouser]

If only there was a history of several tampering, fines & loss of draft picks

The NFL : "Okay, we'll fine you and strip you of draft picks, but it won't matter because all the calls will go your way."

Whatever team Tom Brady is on : "So we get to win the Super Bowl?"

The NFL : "Yes."

Brady's team : "You crazy son of a bitch, we're in."

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Fucking Refs Always Undermine Deficts

[GoChargers]

Belichick was planning on replacing Bledsoe eventually anyway- Mo Lewis just forced the situation by almost killing Bledsoe.

They gave Bledsoe a ten-year, $103 million contract in the offseason, then they released their presumed "QB of the future" at the time (Michael Bishop) during training camp. They were all in on Bledsoe until he got Wally Pipped.

Funnily enough, if they hadn't lucked into a Super Bowl that season, Belichick would have been fired. The choice to stick with Brady over Bledsoe in the playoffs would have been viewed similarly to when Wade Phillips started Rob Johnson over Flutie.

[DJJasonp]

This will never change no matter how much light is shown on it..,

Like it or not...the NFL is in bed with Vegas. They have their mainstream bobble heads discussing point spreads now...this is a new development.

The flexibility to change how a game is called on any given week/game allows them to control the spread.

They created their own cable channel and filled it with apologists....company men. It's pretty brilliant...they can do all kinds of suspect shit and have former players whitewash it away..especially when they either completely ignore it..or all act in agreement. It's literally a page out of state sponsored news.

Like Simms said.."If they called the NFCCG like they called the SB...the Packers would have won".

The thing is they only changed up how it was called for the Chiefs....hence the record amount of penalties in SB history. Bucs were still aggressive with Kelce..

And like throughout his bullshit career...Brady benefited from these changes...it didn't affect his team at all. Brady is always on the winning side when it comes to suspect officiating.

I outlined his past 4 CCG/SBs...and it reflects this fact.

I'll just leave this nugget here (remember how "great" the officiating was in the raiders game??)

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/sports-columns/todd-dewey/raiders-upset-of-chiefs-is-seasons-biggest-win-for-las-vegas-books-2147370/



By Todd Dewey Las Vegas Review-Journal
October 11, 2020 - 8:08 pm


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Updated October 11, 2020 - 9:33 pm
Leave it to a team from Las Vegas to beat the odds and pull off the biggest upset of the NFL season.

The Raiders became the first double-digit underdog to earn an outright win when they stunned the Chiefs in a 40-32 victory at Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday after closing as 10½-point underdogs.

In dealing defending Super Bowl champion Kansas City (4-1) its first loss, Las Vegas (3-2) delivered the biggest win of the NFL season to the Westgate sportsbook, which won six figures on the game.

“There were so many money-line bets on the Chiefs and a lot of teasers. It felt like every money-line parlay included the Chiefs,” Westgate vice president Jay Kornegay said. “It wouldn’t have surprised me if the Raiders covered. But to win outright and pretty much in comfortable fashion, that was certainly surprising.”

Derek Carr outplayed Patrick Mahomes in his first win in seven games at Kansas City. Carr threw three touchdown passes in the second quarter, including strikes of 59 yards to Nelson Agholor and 72 yards to Henry Ruggs, to rally the Raiders from an early 14-3 deficit.

Las Vegas scored the first 16 points of the second half to break open a 24-24 game and held on for the win to end a seven-game losing streak in K.C.

“After their first game at Carolina, you can make a case that the Raiders had the four toughest games of any team having to play the Saints, Bills, Patriots and Chiefs,” Sunset Station sportsbook director Chuck Esposito said. “The fact they went 2-2 is a victory for the Raiders. That’s a huge, huge win. And they go into their bye week now, which gives guys like Ruggs and Bryan Edwards a chance to get healthy.”


Las Vegas’ upset also was a big win for Station, William Hill and BetMGM — despite the fact that a BetMGM bettor won $100,000 on a straight bet on the Raiders and a William Hill bettor won $50,000 on a wager on the game to go over 56½.

“It’s certainly going to be very interesting moving forward to see how fast that silver-and-black wagon fills up because if they continue to win, we know their popularity will escalate,” Kornegay said. “We saw it four years ago when they made the playoffs. That season was crazy. Every week, the Raiders were the biggest game.


“I have a feeling if they put a good stretch together, their popularity will go through the roof.”

Big day for books

The books had one of their best days of the season so far, also winning big on outright upsets by the Panthers (+2½, 23-16 over Falcons) and Dolphins (+8, 43-17 over 49ers).

“For some reason everybody was on the Falcons this week,” Kornegay said. “A winless team yet they’ve received a lot of support.”

After blowing double-digit fourth quarter leads in Weeks 2 and 3, Atlanta went into meltdown mode early Sunday, taking a 7-0 lead in the first quarter before giving up 20 consecutive points to Carolina before halftime.

San Francisco got quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo and tight end George Kittle back but were still whipped by Miami. Dolphins QB Ryan Fitzpatrick finally conjured some “Fitzmagic” in throwing for 350 yards and three TDs. Jimmy GQ looked awful as he went 7 of 17 for 77 yards and two interceptions before he was benched in the second half.

A BetMGM bettor placed a $290,000 straight bet on Seattle (-6½) over Minnesota on “Sunday Night Football.” Before the game, Stoneback said “it could very easily be our best day of the year.”

[Giant Octopodes]

1. Montana : 4-0 in Super Bowls...and did not throw a single interception in any of them. Absolute perfection. Injuries derailed his career, but he played during an era when QBs got the dogslobber knocked out of them. Tom wouldn't have played to 35 in that era, much less to 43.

2. Steve Young only has 1 Super Bowl victory that I recall. Maybe you're talking about someone else?

Steve Young has 3 rings. 1 as a starting QB. 1 from a team he played on but for a game he didn't play in. However the 3rd, 1989, he played in the Super Bowl and his team won. Sure he only had 3 passes, but Mecole Hardman only had 1 catch in Super Bowl 54. Still a Super Bowl champion with a Super Bowl win under his belt, right?

You can not count it if you want. When comparing QBs directly it makes sense to only talk about Super Bowl wins with them as a starter so you're comparing apples to apples. But you've got to admit, technically, Steve Young has multiple Super Bowl wins :thumb:

[bdj23]

It may not be outright rigged, but the refs sure do a fucking lot to help out Brady

[Jimkcchief88]

If Brady isn't close to best quarterback in NFL history, name 5 quarterbacks in NFL history better than him.

Joe Montana, Warren Moon, Brett Favre, Dan Marino. Aaron Rodger... and it only took me about 10 seconds....

[rabblerouser]

They gave Bledsoe a ten-year, $103 million contract in the offseason, then they released their presumed "QB of the future" at the time (Michael Bishop) during training camp. They were all in on Bledsoe until he got Wally Pipped.

Funnily enough, if they hadn't lucked into a Super Bowl that season, Belichick would have been fired. The choice to stick with Brady over Bledsoe in the playoffs would have been viewed similarly to when Wade Phillips started Rob Johnson over Flutie.

Drew Bledsoe = Elvis Grbac
Tom Brady = Rich Gannon
Michael Bishop = Pat Barnes

They didn't "luck" into a Super Bowl that season...that shit was as predetermined as any of them, especially in 2001, and BB had the good sense not to go back to GrBledsoe and stuck with GannBrady, first of all. Then, the "Tuck Rule" game. And in the SB, the refs let the NE DBs basically tackle the Rams receivers downfield.

[rabblerouser]

It may not be outright rigged, but the refs sure do a ****ing lot to help out Brady

That, by definition, is "rigged", bro.

[Bugeater]

It may not be outright rigged, but the refs sure do a fucking lot to help out BradyNo doubt about it, but again...why? I don't see how it's good for the game at all.

[Bugeater]

Drew Bledsoe = Elvis Grbac
Tom Brady = Rich Gannon
Michael Bishop = Pat Barnes

They didn't "luck" into a Super Bowl that season...that shit was as predetermined as any of them, especially in 2001, and BB had the good sense not to go back to GrBledsoe and stuck with GannBrady, first of all. Then, the "Tuck Rule" game. And in the SB, the refs let the NE DBs basically tackle the Rams receivers downfield.I could definitely buy that the NFL liked the idea of them winning it all that year with them being the "Patriots" after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. It was the perfect "feel good" story.

But after that, it's hard to see a reason seeing that they're a league that professes to promote parity.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

A buddy of mine who isn’t a Chiefs fan was saying to me the other day how now Pat would have to win 8 rings to be the GOAT, and I’m just like... why?

Why the fuck do we only consider the rings? If that’s the case, Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player of all time by far with his 11 titles.

And if any sport should diminish the importance of them above others, it’s football. Where no one player is on the field more than half the time. You are so dependent on those around you - players and coaches both. Injuries derail seasons much more frequently too.

If Mahomes finishes his career out like we hope he will and should, he’s very likely going to break every passing record to exist. He will hopefully win at least another 2 titles, and of course we hope more.

If Brady ends up with more SBs than him or anyone else, all that means is he won more chips. Had more consistently great teams and coaches around him. Was the luckiest player to ever put on a pair of cleats. That’s it.

I mean, if we are being real, our own eyes can already tell us Mahomes is probably a better quarterback than Brady ever was.

[comochiefsfan]

A buddy of mine who isn’t a Chiefs fan was saying to me the other day how now Pat would have to win 8 rings to be the GOAT, and I’m just like... why?

Why the **** do we only consider the rings? If that’s the case, Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player of all time by far with his 11 titles.

And if any sport should diminish the importance of them above others, it’s football. Where no one player is on the field more than half the time. You are so dependent on those around you - players and coaches both. Injuries derail seasons much more frequently too.

If Mahomes finishes his career out like we hope he will and should, he’s very likely going to break every passing record to exist. He will hopefully win at least another 2 titles, and of course we hope more.

If Brady ends up with more SBs than him or anyone else, all that means is he won more chips. Had more consistently great teams and coaches around him. Was the luckiest player to ever put on a pair of cleats. That’s it.

I mean, if we are being real, our own eyes can already tell us Mahomes is probably a better quarterback than Brady ever was.Mahomes right now is a MUCH better quarterback than Brady has ever been.

Just watch the tape side by side. It's not even remotely close.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Do these dumbass owners still chase after Patriot Way coaches & office people. Poor Texans

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Better quadruple down then be seen as scammed by two decades of snake oil

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Mahomes right now is a MUCH better quarterback than Brady has ever been.

Just watch the tape side by side. It's not even remotely close.

And think about this:

In Super Bowl history, when an offense scores 13 or fewer points by a QB not named Tom Brady, those teams are 0-24.

When Tom Brady led offenses scores 13 or fewer in a Super Bowl, he is 2-0.

LUCKIEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME.

[Buckweath]

A buddy of mine who isn’t a Chiefs fan was saying to me the other day how now Pat would have to win 8 rings to be the GOAT, and I’m just like... why?

Why the **** do we only consider the rings? If that’s the case, Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player of all time by far with his 11 titles.

And if any sport should diminish the importance of them above others, it’s football. Where no one player is on the field more than half the time. You are so dependent on those around you - players and coaches both. Injuries derail seasons much more frequently too.

If Mahomes finishes his career out like we hope he will and should, he’s very likely going to break every passing record to exist. He will hopefully win at least another 2 titles, and of course we hope more.

If Brady ends up with more SBs than him or anyone else, all that means is he won more chips. Had more consistently great teams and coaches around him. Was the luckiest player to ever put on a pair of cleats. That’s it.

I mean, if we are being real, our own eyes can already tell us Mahomes is probably a better quarterback than Brady ever was.
Whether you like it or not, a ton of people determine the GOAT to be the one who has won the most championships.

I agree that the number of championships won should only be part of the assessment but that's not how many people view things.

Shannon and Skip were saying recently that Mahomes, as per the eye test, is better than Brady has ever been.

It doesn't change the fact that when it's all said and done, Brady will likely be considered the GOAT by most people because I don't see Mahomes winning 7 rings. It is just extremely hard to win championships.

[comochiefsfan]

Whether you like it or not, a ton of people determine the GOAT to be the one who has won the most championships.

I agree that the number of championships won should only be part of the assessment but that's not how many people view things.

Shannon and Skip were saying recently that Mahomes, as per the eye test, is better than Brady has ever been.

It doesn't change the fact that when it's all said and done, Brady will likely be considered the GOAT by most people because I don't see Mahomes winning 7 rings. It is just extremely hard to win championships.Especially hard when the officiating is so one sided.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Whether you like it or not, a ton of people determine the GOAT to be the one who has won the most championships.

I agree that the number of championships won should only be part of the assessment but that's not how many people view things.

Shannon and Skip were saying recently that Mahomes, as per the eye test, is better than Brady has ever been.

It doesn't change the fact that when it's all said and done, Brady will likely be considered the GOAT by most people because I don't see Mahomes winning 7 rings. It is just extremely hard to win championships.

Can’t disagree with anything you said.

Just think it’s time for anyone who only considers rings to open up their mind. Otherwise Bill Russell is their basketball GOAT. That would be the rules.

[swifty32661]

And think about this:

In Super Bowl history, when an offense scores 13 or fewer points by a QB not named Tom Brady, those teams are 0-24.

When Tom Brady led offenses scores 13 or fewer in a Super Bowl, he is 2-0.

LUCKIEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME.

I'm only seeing where he won one with 13 points or less - the Rams a couple of years ago. what's the other one?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I'm only seeing where he won one with 13 points or less - the Rams a couple of years ago. what's the other one?

He got a pick 6 from Ty Law in SB36. Only scored 13 as an offense.

[Redbled]

Whether you like it or not, a ton of people determine the GOAT to be the one who has won the most championships.

I agree that the number of championships won should only be part of the assessment but that's not how many people view things.

Shannon and Skip were saying recently that Mahomes, as per the eye test, is better than Brady has ever been.

It doesn't change the fact that when it's all said and done, Brady will likely be considered the GOAT by most people because I don't see Mahomes winning 7 rings. It is just extremely hard to win championships.

Why is Jordan the GOAT in basketball then? That was his biggest point.

[jdubya]

Whether you like it or not, a ton of people determine the GOAT to be the one who has won the most championships.

I agree that the number of championships won should only be part of the assessment but that's not how many people view things.

Shannon and Skip were saying recently that Mahomes, as per the eye test, is better than Brady has ever been.
.


At what?

[comochiefsfan]

At what?The only thing Tom Brady is better than Mahomes at is encouraging his defense and persuading the refs.

Frankly, that might mean he's better than Mahomes in general since those seem to be the most essential skills required to win Super Bowls.

[stevieray]

At what?

....life.

[New World Order]

I don't care about Mahomes chasing Brady. At all.

Mahomes will win multiple Superbowls by the time it's all said and done, and as fans of this franchise we probably won't see anything like this in our lifetime ever again.

I'm just going to enjoy the ride.

[htismaqe]

I don't care about Mahomes chasing Brady. At all.

Mahomes will win multiple Superbowls by the time it's all said and done, and as fans of this franchise we probably won't see anything like this in our lifetime ever again.

I'm just going to enjoy the ride.

Yep.

[rabblerouser]

Especially hard when the officiating is so one sided.

Yup.

[Frazod]

I'm currently arguing about this with my asshole FIL, who apparently is convinced that everything in the NFL is 110% above board and anybody who says otherwise is just whining.

At least he's not nearly as annoying in texts as he is in person. :shake:

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Like I said before games aren't "rigged", but they are 100 percent no doubt steered a certain direction.

Fucking obvious what direction the Superbowl was steered. I'm renaming it Superfarce 2

[stevegroganfan]

Tori Hunter had a no trade clause to the Red Sox because he was called a ****er so many times by Boston fans. Every black fan I’ve ever met from Boston roots for another cities teams because they want nothing to do with Boston fans.

That is one baseball player. While some black players have had bad experiences within the past 20 years, a large portion have said Fenway park is no different than other MLB stadiums.

You haven't met enough black fans. In general, baseball is loosing appeal amongst younger black people but I have still met plenty of black fans that root for the Red Sox.

MA relatively recently has had a black governor. With around 40,000 at the ballpark there can always be an idiot but what I can say is it hasn't been socially acceptable to yell out racial slurs in Fenway Park for over 30 years.

You do it more than once today, good chance you are captured on a cell phone.

[crispystl]

At what?


Throwing a football/not being a total douchebag.....


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[Bob Dole]

That is one baseball player. While some black players have had bad experiences within the past 20 years, a large portion have said Fenway park is no different than other MLB stadiums.

You haven't met enough black fans. In general, baseball is loosing appeal amongst younger black people but I have still met plenty of black fans that root for the Red Sox.

MA relatively recently has had a black governor. With around 40,000 at the ballpark there can always be an idiot but what I can say is it hasn't been socially acceptable to yell out racial slurs in Fenway Park for over 30 years.

You do it more than once today, good chance you are captured on a cell phone.

Do you ever get tired of having to come up with stuff to justify your shitty people? It’s got to be exhausting.

[BlackOp]

I don't care about Mahomes chasing Brady. At all.

Mahomes will win multiple Superbowls by the time it's all said and done, and as fans of this franchise we probably won't see anything like this in our lifetime ever again.

I'm just going to enjoy the ride.

That's the shitty thing about Brady and all the slanted stats coming to light...

It's pretty obvious if the NFL wants you to win...you will. This SB was something else....I've watched every SB with the exception of the Rams/Patriots and have never seen a shitshow spectacle like this. The Falcons throwing the game was what I thought couldn't be topped..

So how does this affect fans going forward..."yay, they let Mahomes win this time?" or "I cant wait to see how the officials call this weekend's game, the suspense is killing me"

Who gives a shit if it's just a dog-n-pony show...

Meh...this game did more damage to the NFLs reputation than it gained by pimping Brady having 7 rings. It's lost what little value it had left with me...who cares who they draft when the officials can just neutralize any advantage at will.

Not to get too political...but maybe that was the play...devalue the most American tradition this country has... in preparation for the "great reset".

[Giant Octopodes]

That's the shitty thing about Brady and all the slanted stats coming to light...

It's pretty obvious if the NFL wants you to win...you will. This SB was something else....I've watched every SB with the exception of the Rams/Patriots and have never seen a shitshow spectacle like this. The Falcons throwing the game was what I thought couldn't be topped..

So how does this affect fans going forward..."yay, they let Mahomes win this time?" or "I cant wait to see how the officials call this weekend's game, the suspense is killing me"

Who gives a shit if it's just a dog-n-pony show...

Meh...this game did more damage to the NFLs reputation than it gained by pimping Brady having 7 rings. It's lost what little value it had left with me...who cares who they draft when the officials can just neutralize any advantage at will.

Not to get too political...but maybe that was the play...devalue the most American tradition this country has... in preparation for the "great reset".

Yep makes sense! I 100% agree with the points in bold. Now personally I believe that teams have discrepancies in penalties called based on discrepancies in actions, that you can in fact just not commit penalties, and if your grousing is regarding the fact that "holding could be called on every play", maybe, you know, stop holding on every play.

Accordingly, I believe the discrepancies in penalties associated with Brady and the teams he is on are due in no small part because of the following:
1) Brady is always on a team where penalties are a significant point of emphasis, and both personally and via peer coaching actively works to eliminate penalties from his team. They don't just play and hope not to get flagged.
2) Brady has supreme vision of the field and accordingly throws the ball to or in the area of a receiver who gets interfered with, so as to draw DPI calls
3) Brady also targets those who just beat their opponent and the opponent will often interfere rather than give up the TD, a tactical decision but one that affects relative penalty rates

Now I would be happy to dig into and dissect any of the penalty calls or non-calls from the latest SB, but you won't believe anything that I say in regards to them anyway, your mind like many here is firmly set. I will say, if you believe as you say, I agree. If it's all determined by the refs, a scripted dog and pony show, then it just doesn't matter. None of it. If I believed as you do, I certainly wouldn't be watching, or posting about it on a forum, or anything like that.

[tooge]

Look, you can lay these numbers out till the cows come home. The Brady Ballwashers don't care. I mean seriously, you could probably go through every season he's played in and especially the SB seasons, and find that he is the "amazingly lucky benificiary" of a ton of calls, balls bouncing his way etc.

The conclusions are these:

1) He just gets favorable calls, and always has, it's a matter of chance and chance just smiles on him all the time for some reason

2) He's just the smartest and most cunning of any football player in the history of the universe, and it's not luck, he just skillfully get's people to commit fouls at the right time

3) He is Satan.

I go with option 3.

THere is an option #4. Brady has been to the Happy Ending massage place with Kraft and Goodell, and has pictures of them all there.

[Al Bundy]

Still crying about the better team winning I see.

[rtmike]

Fuck. I wish I never read this.
I hate sore losers but fm, smh.

[rabblerouser]

Still crying about the better team winning I see.

Nah, I've known the NFL has been rigging games for years.

[rabblerouser]

At what?

Passing the football.

Quarterbacking in the NFL.

Dude, if the NFL didn't gift-wrap that SB vs the Rams for Brady, we would've beat them in AFCCG and beat the Rams.

That would mean, at this point, Mahomes would've beat Brady twice in the postseason, once in the Super Bowl and would have 3 straight SBs.

Then Brady wouldn't be the GOAT, and it wouldn't even be a debate :

Mahomes would've been 2-0 vs Brady in the postseason and would have 3 Super Bowls to Brady's 5 in Mahomes' 1st 3 years as a starter.

The Shield just can't have that shit. They have too much invested in Brady's "greatness".

[BlackOp]

****. I wish I never read this.
I hate sore losers but fm, smh.

Sore losers?

I've been documenting the "Brady sham" for years...this is just the latest episode. It keeps getting more overt the older he gets..

Doesn't matter...at this point, those who want to still believe will believe.

They probably arent too great with numbers either...

I guess I'm lucky that my identity isn't tied to a football player..so when he does great, I'm great too. If people say mean things about him...they are saying means things about me too. I must defend myself.

These vicarious Brady worshipers are a frightening bunch...as are the Mahomes ones. At least one is authentic...

[Giant Octopodes]

Passing the football.

Quarterbacking in the NFL.

Dude, if the NFL didn't gift-wrap that SB vs the Rams for Brady, we would've beat them in AFCCG and beat the Rams.

That would mean, at this point, Mahomes would've beat Brady twice in the postseason, once in the Super Bowl and would have 3 straight SBs.

Then Brady wouldn't be the GOAT, and it wouldn't even be a debate :

Mahomes would've been 2-0 vs Brady in the postseason and would have 3 Super Bowls to Brady's 5 in Mahomes' 1st 3 years as a starter.

The Shield just can't have that shit. They have too much invested in Brady's "greatness".

Yep so much invested in it that they suspended him for 4 games for something that didn't happen and spent a full year dragging his name through the mud. They argued in court it didn't matter there was no evidence of wrongdoing, they can do whatever they want to whomever they want and need no evidence or justification for doing so. There's documentaries out showing how they deliberately leaked false info to the media to spread a false narrative before and during the events in question. But yep, they sure do love Brady, and him continuing to win is such a good look that definitely increases viewer interest and sales, just look at the merchandise and ratings trends...

LMAO LMAO LMAO

[rabblerouser]

They argued in court it didn't matter there was no evidence of wrongdoing, they can do whatever they want to whomever they want and need no evidence or justification for doing so. There's documentaries out showing how they deliberately leaked false info to the media to spread a false narrative before and during the events in question.

You know what else the NFL argued in court, when a Jets fan sued the NFL for Spygate?

Care to take a guess?

[GloryDayz]

You know what else the NFL argued in court, when a Jets fan sued the NFL for Spygate?

Care to take a guess?

That the NFL isn't a sport, that it's entertainment?

[Al Bundy]

LOL. Brady is a total fraud.

Chickenshit pussy ass bitch.

[rabblerouser]

That the NFL isn't a sport, that it's entertainment?

Ding Ding!

Correctamundo!

And you know what the court then ruled!?

*it's the best part*

[GloryDayz]

Ding Ding!

Correctamundo!

And you know what the court then ruled!?

*it's the best part*

Wait, I didn't win any Casino cash for that?

[rabblerouser]

Wait, I didn't win any Casino cash for that?

(*I don't know how to award you casino cash for that, but you know I got a fitty for ya at least if I knew how...*)

[GloryDayz]

(*I don't know how to award you casino cash for that, but you know I got a fitty for ya at least if I knew how...*)

LMAO It's all good.

And the courts agreed with the Jets, that it's not a sport, it's entertainment.

So the NFL, like the WWE and WWF, are free to influence outcomes as much as they wish. From a legal perspective.

[rabblerouser]

LMAO It's all good.

And the courts agreed with the Jets, that it's not a sport, it's entertainment.

So the NFL, like the WWE and WWF, are free to influence outcomes as much as they wish. From a legal perspective.

But "only for entertainment purposes" i.e. Vegas isn't supposed to have an influence.

*wink, wink*

[GloryDayz]

But "only for entertainment purposes" i.e. Vegas isn't supposed to have an influence.

*wink, wink*

Are you suggesting that what you just posted might explain some mystery holds and other obvious holds that go "unseen"? :hmmm:

[Giant Octopodes]

LMAO It's all good.

And the courts agreed with the Jets, that it's not a sport, it's entertainment.

So the NFL, like the WWE and WWF, are free to influence outcomes as much as they wish. From a legal perspective.

That's just not true, at all. Like, even a little bit.

If you want to know the truth, and not just accept stories fed to you, feel free to read up on the court decision yourself.

Google the following, it's the top link:
mayer v belichick findlaw 1524532

I'll attempt to provide cliff notes for the reading challenged. I'll wrap them in spoilers tags since I expect this to be pretty long:


- The court accepted the claims about the alleged behavior by the Patriots to be factual.
- The plaintiff (as in, the guy bringing forth the complaint), alleged that since the Patriots cheated, it violated his contractual expectations and rights as a season ticket holder
- The rules violated were the videography ones, can't have video equipment in team control in unapproved locations
- The NFL sanctioned the Patriots heavily
- The Patriots filmed games against opponents they might face later in the year, including in the playoffs, to capture the opponents signals
- The plaintiff argued that by the Patriots cheating, and the NFL destroying the tapes afterwards, they had violated his rights 8 ways to sunday
- The NFL argued that the only thing the ticket entitled him to was a seat at the game
- The courts found that the plaintiff had failed to state a claim for which relief could be granted
- The contractual right to a seat from which a NFL game could be watched was honored
- They compare tickets for seats to licenses and talk about prior litigation attempts against for example race tracks
- They dive into whether or not patrons can be expelled without cause before eventually saying it doesn't matter since it doesn't apply here
- They talk about a rash of lawsuits from season ticket holders, both football (pro and college), basketball, baseball, and so forth
- They talk about a lawsuit over a NASCAR race where they could only field 6 cars due to circumstances, and whether there was in fact an obligation to a regulation forumla one race. They determine hey, they got a race, even if it wasn't an exciting or well performed one, and it was within the bounds of what a regulation race is.
- They talk about a lawsuit over a boxing match with Tyson where he bit a guys ear off, and whether ticket holders were entitled to see a boxing match performed within the bounds of the rules, and where it was found it was within the bounds of the rules for it to end in disqualification
- They talk about a lawsuit against the Chicago Cubs where they found season ticket holders couldn't get a refund just because the Cubs sucked, and where the remedy would be to become a fan of a better team
- They say here, there was undoubtedly a game between NFL teams, not something crazy like a baseball game being played instead
- They say look, cheating happens all the time, like when teams commit pass interference or delay of game, and the Patriots rule violations are just one example of such infractions
- They say there are tons of other ways teams get signals, many of which they get away with just fine under the rules, like hiring someone from that organization, writing them down, and so forth, as acknowledged by the plaintiff
- They say here, the NFL took action and sanctioned the team in question, in accordance to their rules
- They say the courts have no real interest in taking constant lawsuits from plaintiffs grousing about blown calls and so forth and second guessing the judgement and process of the NFL
- They say there's no realistic standard as far as when a rule violation would rise to the level where action would be permissible vs not
- They reinforce that they don't condone the Patriots behavior
- They recognize that the NFL, like other professional sports, is a multi-billion dollar business and fans may have legitimate concerns with how they're treated
- They recommend the plaintiff speak out against the NFL and boycott them if they want, but say the one thing they can't do is take it to court


Bolded the most important parts where they explain their findings and reasoning. Again though don't take my word for it, read it for yourself. At no time and in no way did they rule the NFL is entertainment not a sport. At no time in no way did they equate it to the WWE or WWF. At no time did they rule the NFL is free to fix games or provide a steered outcome outside the bounds of their rules.

Instead what they ruled is that in the NFL, like all pro sports, cheating happens. They ruled that the NFL had acted appropriately within the bounds of its own structure and rules to deal with the cheating, and had still provided a NFL pro football game to the plaintiff, which is all he was entitled to. They ruled he was not entitled to his team doing well, or all the rules being followed perfectly, or anything beyond a pro football game and a seat from which to watch it, and he had been provided that. Finally they ruled they had no interest in second guessing the NFL's actions or internal structure for dealing with alleged rule violations.

Which, by the way, is in many ways the basis for the later ruling against Brady, where that was really just amended by adding a "whether proven to be real or not".

Beyond the statement that the courts agreed with the Jets (the lawsuit was against the NFL and Belichick not the Jets), the statement the courts agreed it's not a sport (rather they compared it to virtually every sport under the sun), the statement they ruled it was just entertainment (they ruled they're entitled to a real NFL game, but that had happened here), and the statement the NFL is free to influence it as much as they want (again they found the NFL DID have a contractual obligation to a real NFL game, and cited their punishment of rules violations which would otherwise affect the competitive integrity of the game as fulfillment of that obligation), you got the rest of it right. :thumb:

[GloryDayz]

That's just not true, at all. Like, even a little bit.

If you want to know the truth, and not just accept stories fed to you, feel free to read up on the court decision yourself.

Google the following, it's the top link:
mayer v belichick findlaw 1524532

I'll attempt to provide cliff notes for the reading challenged. I'll wrap them in spoilers tags since I expect this to be pretty long:


- The court accepted the claims about the alleged behavior by the Patriots to be factual.
- The plaintiff (as in, the guy bringing forth the complaint), alleged that since the Patriots cheated, it violated his contractual expectations and rights as a season ticket holder
- The rules violated were the videography ones, can't have video equipment in team control in unapproved locations
- The NFL sanctioned the Patriots heavily
- The Patriots filmed games against opponents they might face later in the year, including in the playoffs, to capture the opponents signals
- The plaintiff argued that by the Patriots cheating, and the NFL destroying the tapes afterwards, they had violated his rights 8 ways to sunday
- The NFL argued that the only thing the ticket entitled him to was a seat at the game
- The courts found that the plaintiff had failed to state a claim for which relief could be granted
- The contractual right to a seat from which a NFL game could be watched was honored
- They compare tickets for seats to licenses and talk about prior litigation attempts against for example race tracks
- They dive into whether or not patrons can be expelled without cause before eventually saying it doesn't matter since it doesn't apply here
- They talk about a rash of lawsuits from season ticket holders, both football (pro and college), basketball, baseball, and so forth
- They talk about a lawsuit over a NASCAR race where they could only field 6 cars due to circumstances, and whether there was in fact an obligation to a regulation forumla one race. They determine hey, they got a race, even if it wasn't an exciting or well performed one, and it was within the bounds of what a regulation race is.
- They talk about a lawsuit over a boxing match with Tyson where he bit a guys ear off, and whether ticket holders were entitled to see a boxing match performed within the bounds of the rules, and where it was found it was within the bounds of the rules for it to end in disqualification
- They talk about a lawsuit against the Chicago Cubs where they found season ticket holders couldn't get a refund just because the Cubs sucked, and where the remedy would be to become a fan of a better team
- They say here, there was undoubtedly a game between NFL teams, not something crazy like a baseball game being played instead
- They say look, cheating happens all the time, like when teams commit pass interference or delay of game, and the Patriots rule violations are just one example of such infractions
- They say there are tons of other ways teams get signals, many of which they get away with just fine under the rules, like hiring someone from that organization, writing them down, and so forth, as acknowledged by the plaintiff
- They say here, the NFL took action and sanctioned the team in question, in accordance to their rules
- They say the courts have no real interest in taking constant lawsuits from plaintiffs grousing about blown calls and so forth and second guessing the judgement and process of the NFL
- They say there's no realistic standard as far as when a rule violation would rise to the level where action would be permissible vs not
- They reinforce that they don't condone the Patriots behavior
- They recognize that the NFL, like other professional sports, is a multi-billion dollar business and fans may have legitimate concerns with how they're treated
- They recommend the plaintiff speak out against the NFL and boycott them if they want, but say the one thing they can't do is take it to court


Bolded the most important parts where they explain their findings and reasoning. Again though don't take my word for it, read it for yourself. At no time and in no way did they rule the NFL is entertainment not a sport. At no time in no way did they equate it to the WWE or WWF. At no time did they rule the NFL is free to fix games or provide a steered outcome outside the bounds of their rules.

Instead what they ruled is that in the NFL, like all pro sports, cheating happens. They ruled that the NFL had acted appropriately within the bounds of its own structure and rules to deal with the cheating, and had still provided a NFL pro football game to the plaintiff, which is all he was entitled to. They ruled he was not entitled to his team doing well, or all the rules being followed perfectly, or anything beyond a pro football game and a seat from which to watch it, and he had been provided that. Finally they ruled they had no interest in second guessing the NFL's actions or internal structure for dealing with alleged rule violations.

Which, by the way, is in many ways the basis for the later ruling against Brady, where that was really just amended by adding a "whether proven to be real or not".

Beyond the statement that the courts agreed with the Jets (the lawsuit was against the NFL and Belichick not the Jets), the statement the courts agreed it's not a sport (rather they compared it to virtually every sport under the sun), the statement they ruled it was just entertainment (they ruled they're entitled to a real NFL game, but that had happened here), and the statement the NFL is free to influence it as much as they want (again they found the NFL DID have a contractual obligation to a real NFL game, and cited their punishment of rules violations which would otherwise affect the competitive integrity of the game as fulfillment of that obligation), you got the rest of it right. :thumb:

Keep your Casino cash, we're all going to need it as the NFL steers/influences outcomes to creates favorable storylines and dramas.

[Giant Octopodes]

Keep your Casino cash, we're all going to need it as the NFL steers/influences outcomes to creates favorable storylines and dramas.

Man I had my money on a response where you link an article about someone saying something differently, trusting that 3rd hand source more than the actual court decision itself and subbing in their judgement for your own.

I see I was wrong to expect so much, instead I get a trite response where you ignore how incredibly wrong you are entirely and repeat your assertions despite direct evidence to the contrary as though truth and fact don't matter, all you need to do is repeat something enough times and it becomes "your truth", which in turn is just as good as the actual truth, right?

Hey you do you buddy. Keep on believing whatever you want, even though it's blatantly and demonstrably incorrect. At least those who choose can research for themselves and learn the actual, factual truth, like the one that coincides with the version of reality we actually live in.

[GloryDayz]

Man I had my money on a response where you link an article about someone saying something differently, trusting that 3rd hand source more than the actual court decision itself and subbing in their judgement for your own.

I see I was wrong to expect so much, instead I get a trite response where you ignore how incredibly wrong you are entirely and repeat your assertions despite direct evidence to the contrary as though truth and fact don't matter, all you need to do is repeat something enough times and it becomes "your truth", which in turn is just as good as the actual truth, right?

Hey you do you buddy. Keep on believing whatever you want, even though it's blatantly and demonstrably incorrect. At least those who choose can research for themselves and learn the actual, factual truth, like the one that coincides with the version of reality we actually live in.

Well I think you make that terribad 3-word reply a lot longer than you needed.

[rtmike]

Sore losers?

..


In general. Not here.

We haven't lost enough to be too down on the team. Its at least how I feel.

I just never realized it's that blatant.



And those texts from the self proclaimed "the deflator", wow. No wonder Brady destroyed his phone.


I'm of the opinion the NFL done all this bs to prove they're the top sport, concussions be damned. Brady getting #7 cemented GOAT status bumping mj. Mission accomplished.

See now I feel like I'm being a crybaby, lol.

[Red Dawg]

Yep so much invested in it that they suspended him for 4 games for something that didn't happen and spent a full year dragging his name through the mud. They argued in court it didn't matter there was no evidence of wrongdoing, they can do whatever they want to whomever they want and need no evidence or justification for doing so. There's documentaries out showing how they deliberately leaked false info to the media to spread a false narrative before and during the events in question. But yep, they sure do love Brady, and him continuing to win is such a good look that definitely increases viewer interest and sales, just look at the merchandise and ratings trends...

LMAO LMAO LMAO

No evidence? You stupid mother fucker. There was a mountain of evidence, that's why he lost in court.

[bowener]

Buccaneers were the beneficiary of 27 PI calls this 2020 season, Kansas City received 4.

No other team had more than 19 (Miami/Pittsburgh) and 28 teams had less than 15.

Buccaneers were the beneficiary of 12 PI last year with Winston throwing for over 5000 yards...

Brady's Bucs received 15 more PI calls than the same team did last season...and set an NFL record.

Brady had 12 more PI calls than 28 other teams....16 more than 21 teams. He was essentially getting twice the PI calls of nearly every other franchise...and 7 times the amount as Mahomes.

25 teams had 11 or less...

Numbers dont lie...only the media about Brady's "greatness"

Chiefs were called for 2 PIs in one quarter of the SB...they only had their opponents flagged 4 times all year.

Did you compile these stats on your own using NFLPENALTIES.COM (https://www.nflpenalties.com/) of something? Your stats are being reposted around different sports forums so I was growing more curious where the numbers came from.

[BlackOp]

Did you compile these stats on your own using NFLPENALTIES.COM (https://www.nflpenalties.com/) of something? Your stats are being reposted around different sports forums so I was growing more curious where the numbers came from.

Yes...look at the top right where it says "beneficiary"

https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2020&view=team

The use of PI calls are the most devastating penalty in the sport.

Brady's Bucs didn't just break the record...they demolished it.

(I posted the following earlier in this thread)

There was only one team, going back a decade, that even had 20.

That team was the fluke 12-4 2016 Raiders...it was their only winning season in 17 years. To illustrate how impactful the gratuitous use of PI is...

[bowener]

Yes...look at the top right where it says "beneficiary"

https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2020&view=team

The use of PI calls are the most devastating penalty in the sport.

Brady's Bucs didn't just break the record...they demolished it.

(I posted the following earlier in this thread)

There was only one team, going back a decade, that even had 20.

That team was the fluke 12-4 2016 Raiders...it was their only winning season in 17 years. To illustrate how impactful the gratuitous use of PI is...

Thank you so much! I wasn't doubting you, I just wanted to be able to point some people to the source.

EDIT: Jesus. I hope people start to share this information more. I'd like to see it track nationally. The more I look at the data the more egregious this season stands out for Tampa. I'm not whining about losing the game. Chiefs played like shit and treated it like a regular-season game when it was the damn Super Bowl. Yes the OL died, but there was much more going poorly besides that awful display. I'm just trying to imagine if Mahomes or Rodgers benefitted from 27 fucking PIs.

[rabblerouser]

Yes...look at the top right where it says "beneficiary"

https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2020&view=team

The use of PI calls are the most devastating penalty in the sport.

Brady's Bucs didn't just break the record...they demolished it.

(I posted the following earlier in this thread)

There was only one team, going back a decade, that even had 20.

That team was the fluke 12-4 2016 Raiders...it was their only winning season in 17 years. To illustrate how impactful the gratuitous use of PI is...

Was that the Raiders team the beat us on a Thursday Night in Oakland by the refs just throwing flag after flag and basically giving them unlimited downs at the end of the game until Derek Carr finally threw a TD to win?

Boy, that was a farce.

Almost as bad as SD at Arrowhead 2018.

[comochiefsfan]

The NFL could end all of this discussion by holding referees accountable for missed calls, making officials available to the media after games, putting cameras on replay officials, etc.

I wonder why they don't do any of that stuff? /s

[Pants]

The NFL could end all of this discussion by holding referees accountable for missed calls, making officials available to the media after games, putting cameras on replay officials, etc.

I wonder why the don't do any of that stuff? /s

Just the nature of the refereeing beast. No sport does what you propose.

[BlackOp]

Did some more research...here's some fun facts.

#1. Bucs had 5 games without a PI call...so the 27 penalties occurred in just 11 games. Only one (of the 5) was during their final 5 games. Week 2,3,4 had no PI calls...two of which they never trailed.

#2. They declined 3 PI calls...so the total was actually 30.

#3. 8 of the PI calls were on failed 3rd downs...extending drives.

#4. Bucs received 3 PI calls in the final 1:11 of the first half vs. the Vikings. They were trailing 7-6...KC had 4 all season.

They had the ball twice in the final 1 minute.

One call negated an INT...which resulted in a TD, the other came with :01 on the clock. 46 yards which resulted in a FG.

#5. Brady had 2 PI on his first ever drive with the Bucs...41 yards total. He equaled the Patriots 2020 season total of 2 PI in just 4 plays in week one..

#6 Bucs had pack-to-back PI calls in the final 2 minutes before half vs. Atlanta. 26 yards of advancement.

[htismaqe]

Just the nature of the refereeing beast. No sport does what you propose.

No sport has the stature of the NFL. It's past time to do this. Fuck, they spend 10 minutes on instant replays and still get them wrong.

[Clyde Frog]

Black Op, IDK of you use Twitter or not but you should start sending your findings to Barry McCockiner (@ultraweedhater). Dude is the biggest troll to Patriot-tard Brady Ballwashers on the platform. He definitely gets attention from the people you’d want your info to get out to.


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[comochiefsfan]

Did some more research...here's some fun facts.

#1. Bucs had 5 games without a PI call...so the 27 penalties occurred in just 11 games. Only one (of the 5) was during their final 5 games. Week 2,3,4 had no PI calls...two of which they never trailed.

#2. They declined 3 PI calls...so the total was actually 30.

#3. 8 of the PI calls were on failed 3rd downs...extending drives.

#4. Bucs received 3 PI calls in the final 1:11 of the first half vs. the Vikings. They were trailing 7-6...KC had 4 all season.

They had the ball twice in the final 1 minute.

One call negated an INT...which resulted in a TD, the other came with :01 on the clock. 46 yards which resulted in a FG.

#5. Brady had 2 PI on his first ever drive with the Bucs...41 yards total. He equaled the Patriots 2020 season total of 2 PI in just 4 plays in week one..

#6 Bucs had pack-to-back PI calls in the final 2 minutes before half vs. Atlanta. 26 yards of advancement.The NFL is going to be so much better off when Brady retires.

[rtmike]

Chris Simms?
Thannon Tharpe?

Surprised a talking head hasn't questioned this.


When Evans came back to the huddle and says, "dude, they were just" motioning with his arms like hugging you can see Brady looking around lije he's looking for a zebra to talk to about it and then camera cuts away?

He said something the play before about Dee Ford lining up in neutral zone and they called it the next play.

Let them play...until 'someone' starts complaining.

[BlackOp]

Black Op, IDK of you use Twitter or not but you should start sending your findings to Barry McCockiner (@ultraweedhater). Dude is the biggest troll to Patriot-tard Brady Ballwashers on the platform. He definitely gets attention from the people you’d want your info to get out to.


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No..I hate Twitter more than NFL corporate.

10K views for this thread is good enough...it'll grow from there.

This is FISA level game fixing...

[Coochie liquor]

It took 27 DPI to get the Bucs to 11 wins. Just take away 2 from the Faders game and KC goes undefeated (til the SB)

[bowener]

I can't let this die. I am finding it fascinating, honestly.

I got bored so I decided to compare the last 3 seasons for some QBs. I accounted for Mahomes missing a game last season in which a DPI occurred. The numbers reflect total DPI called, not just accepted.

BLUF: in a 3-year span Rodgers, Mayfield, Cousins, Ryan, Prescott, Rivers, Allen, Wilson, Watson, and Mahomes averaged fewer calls than Tom's 2020 season at just under 28 beneficial calls (9.3 per season). Over that same period, Brady averages 18.3 per season. If you take 2017-2019 for Brady he received 39 beneficial calls. This season is far outside an outlier, and regardless of it being Brady, should be looked into. Obviously, it will not be...

Also, Watson should be pissed.

[HTML Tables were doing weird things so I attached an image if anybody cares]

[notorious]

These numbers are only PI. What are the defensive holding stats?

Both are devastating on 3rd down.

[SuperBowl4]

The NFL and their REFS LOVE Tom Brady. RIGGED!

[PHOG]

Mahomes had 4 this past year?!?! :eek:

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are so many incredibly talented, exciting, great QB&#39;s in the NFL right now and yet this untalented cocksucker gets all the breaks every single year and we have to hear how amazing he is.<br><br>It makes me fucking puke. Absolute disgrace. <a href="https://t.co/KkieFTrguv">pic.twitter.com/KkieFTrguv</a></p>&mdash; Barry McCockiner (@UltraWeedHater) <a href="https://twitter.com/UltraWeedHater/status/1363688271394521089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quickest releases I&#39;ve ever seen on a football field:<br><br>1) Dan Marino<br><br>2) The refs to their penalty flags after Tom Brady throws an uncatchable pass downfield<br><br>3) Tony Romo <br><br>4) Philip Rivers<br><br>5) Michael Vick</p>&mdash; Barry McCockiner (@UltraWeedHater) <a href="https://twitter.com/UltraWeedHater/status/1363212320906895365?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

When one player in 20 years has more Super Bowl wins. Then any team in 55? Something is really off

[Bake51]

Brady is up there with MJ. Give him respect and move on.

[The Franchise]

Brady is up there with MJ. Give him respect and move on.

How about you choke on a shotgun?

[htismaqe]

I can't let this die. I am finding it fascinating, honestly.

I got bored so I decided to compare the last 3 seasons for some QBs. I accounted for Mahomes missing a game last season in which a DPI occurred. The numbers reflect total DPI called, not just accepted.

BLUF: in a 3-year span Rodgers, Mayfield, Cousins, Ryan, Prescott, Rivers, Allen, Wilson, Watson, and Mahomes averaged fewer calls than Tom's 2020 season at just under 28 beneficial calls (9.3 per season). Over that same period, Brady averages 18.3 per season. If you take 2017-2019 for Brady he received 39 beneficial calls. This season is far outside an outlier, and regardless of it being Brady, should be looked into. Obviously, it will not be...

Also, Watson should be pissed.

[HTML Tables were doing weird things so I attached an image if anybody cares]

Great stuff.

[bowener]

Mahomes had 4 this past year?!?! :eek:

On 750+ attempts thru 19 games. Brady with nearly the same attempts thru 20 games smashed a record for most DPI calls in a year by 8 with 30 to 22. The Dolphins did have 24 calls this season which seems like a slightly more believable amount to break the record by. Just to put that in perspective 9 is about the average called per season for a team.

[PHOG]

Brady is up there with MJ. Give him respect and move on.
:spock:

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Brady is up there with MJ. Give him respect and move on.

I guess he won't bottom out in your ass

[htismaqe]

I guess he won't bottom out in your ass

He likes Brady to fist him while wearing all of his Super Bowl rings.