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Rain Man
02-15-2021, 11:16 PM
Okay, I've been thinking about it, and it's clear that we had fewer points than the other team at the end of the Super Bowl. It was a really unusual and unexpected situation, so what was the cause?

Poll coming. Pick the THREE biggest reasons that we weren't ahead at the end of regulation.

Why Not?
02-15-2021, 11:18 PM
In b4 pole

Sassy Squatch
02-15-2021, 11:19 PM
1. Failure to execute on offense

2. Coaching and mental gaffes

3. Refball in the first half

Rain Man
02-15-2021, 11:26 PM
I went with officiating, offensive line injuries, and a lack of Demi Lovato.

Hog's Gone Fishin
02-15-2021, 11:30 PM
Officiating changed EVERYTHING

RunKC
02-15-2021, 11:40 PM
1. OL injuries
2. Not running the ball more
3. Andy’s bad game management at end of first half that lead to TD

Why Not?
02-15-2021, 11:47 PM
In no particular order:

Refs sucked
O line sucked
Pass catchers sucked.

Rasputin
02-15-2021, 11:51 PM
Offensive line, Officiating one sided and game plan. Why didn't we run more with CEH? He was being effective when he ran and our Offensive line couldn't protect the Colonels secret recipe.

-King-
02-15-2021, 11:53 PM
1. Terrible game plan to address offensive line concerns

2. Stupid/bad execution by our skill players and coaching staff

3. Refs

POND_OF_RED
02-16-2021, 12:05 AM
Eric Fisher

Mitchell Schwartz

Laurent Duvernay-Tardif

dlphg9
02-16-2021, 12:21 AM
1. Refs were calling a 100% one sided game
2. This plays into point one - our DBs kept touching their WRs
3. O line was hurt - I think the refs did what they did in the first half with the penalties because they wanted TB to have a nice comfortable lead for Patrick's inevitable 2nd half scoring barrage. That inevitable 2nd half scoring barrage wasn't actually inevitable because of the O line. We had to try to make a big play, but our line said "haha, watch this absolute shittastic shit show. We're going Back to Black, Jordan Black level of shittitude."

-King-
02-16-2021, 12:24 AM
Eric Fisher

Mitchell Schwartz

Laurent Duvernay-Tardif

One of these is not like the others.

dlphg9
02-16-2021, 12:48 AM
One of these is not like the others.

Ones a doctor!

KC_Connection
02-16-2021, 01:07 AM
I voted one option. The one that cost the team 14 points in the 1st half and consequently changed the way the game was played in the 2nd.

Ming the Merciless
02-16-2021, 01:14 AM
LT , RT & C

MMXcalibur
02-16-2021, 01:15 AM
Offensive line was piss, no touchdowns, and officiating is a distant third....but it's hard to complain about that when the first two culprits are on the forefront.

Face it, the Bucs were the better team in February.

dj56dt58
02-16-2021, 01:25 AM
1. Ref 1
2. Ref 2
3. Ref 3

Scooter LaCanforno
02-16-2021, 04:52 AM
1. Ref 1
2. Ref 2
3. Ref 3


^ + we didn't even try to run the ball.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
02-16-2021, 07:59 AM
The Bucs won the game & depleted O-line was a mass assist. The mass assist of the refs gave Brady the MVP

People need to tune out like they did for anthem kneeling until refs are full time. The owners listened then

ThaVirus
02-16-2021, 08:05 AM
1. The OL. Injuries and shuffling aside, every one of those cocksuckers blew it. There were multiple free rushers nearly every dropback.

2. Game planning/coaching. We did next to nothing to help the OL and Reid's timeouts allowing the TD right before half basically killed any hopes of a comeback.

3. An underrated issue was the defense. They sucked. Really badly. The Bucs dropped 31 but they basically weren't even trying for most of the second half. They probably could have dropped 45 if they wanted to.

The Franchise
02-16-2021, 09:07 AM
1. The OL. Injuries and shuffling aside, every one of those cocksuckers blew it. There were multiple free rushers nearly every dropback.

2. Game planning/coaching. We did next to nothing to help the OL and Reid's timeouts allowing the TD right before half basically killed any hopes of a comeback.

3. An underrated issue was the defense. They sucked. Really badly. The Bucs dropped 31 but they basically weren't even trying for most of the second half. They probably could have dropped 45 if they wanted to.

In regards to #3.....what were they supposed to do in the second half?

The offense wasn’t helping them out at all. The refs weren’t letting them play their game and the Bucs went balanced offense which negated our pass rush.

This defense isn’t built to stop the run and keep games close.

ThaVirus
02-16-2021, 09:17 AM
In regards to #3.....what were they supposed to do in the second half?

The offense wasn’t helping them out at all. The refs weren’t letting them play their game and the Bucs went balanced offense which negated our pass rush.

This defense isn’t built to stop the run and keep games close.


Which is why we usually struggle against Brady-led offenses. He’s perfectly content to run the ball against us and set himself up for easy 3rd-and-short situations. In those scenarios, our pass rush is completely marginalized.

I don’t care what they do or how they do it, but they need to fix it.

Bearcat
02-16-2021, 09:29 AM
The Triangle of Shit

Offensive line was the biggest issue.... yet, with a better game plan and adjustments, it's perhaps not the same impact. And 17-9 in the 3rd quarter potentially completely changes things.

Game plan and lack of adjustments was the biggest issue... but, the offensive line got blown up on the screen/short stuff as well, and the refs digging them a hole by halftime certainly didn't help with running the ball and playing the short game.

The refs were the biggest issue... but, even at 17-9 in the 3rd, they're still facing an uphill battle and still never made it into the end zone, so there are a lot of what-if-ing going on when it comes to Mahomes finding a way to win despite running for his life and whether the game plan changes to help out.


...in the end, the play calling and lack of adjustments was the only thing in their control, but that's also a lot of uncontrollable shit to overcome, too. Players and coaches should of course concentrate on what they can control for the future, even if the outrage comes from the quantity of horrible non-existent penalties that should never happen in professional sports.

smithandrew051
02-16-2021, 09:31 AM
1. OL injuries and opt outs: just like you can’t “figure out the Chiefs offense” when it’s healthy, sometimes you simply can’t overcome so many losses at one position.

2. Refs: gifted 14 points to Buccaneers and prevented probably a scoring drive or two of our own. At least twice, Kelce was being tackled before even catching the ball. The refs would’ve called roughing on us at least 3 times with the way Mahomes was being roughed up late.

3. Offense not scoring a TD: overall offense inefficiency, regardless of the cause. 9 points will never win the Super Bowl in this NFL. Pick a reason why it happened, but that’s why we lost.

DJJasonp
02-16-2021, 09:38 AM
Refs
O-line
Britt Reid

TomBarndtsTwin
02-16-2021, 09:41 AM
Too many poll options; TLDR

1. Our ‘offensive’ line.

2. Terrible game plan and terrible in game coaching decisions.

3. Biased officiating.

KCChiefsFan88
02-16-2021, 09:46 AM
1) 10th String Offensive Line

2) Britt Reid

3) Bad Offensive Gameplan

The Franchise
02-16-2021, 09:58 AM
Which is why we usually struggle against Brady-led offenses. He’s perfectly content to run the ball against us and set himself up for easy 3rd-and-short situations. In those scenarios, our pass rush is completely marginalized.

I don’t care what they do or how they do it, but they need to fix it.

It’s why we struggled when he had Belichick as a coach. We didn’t struggle against him the first time we played the Bucs. We struggled this time because our receivers couldn’t catch shit, the offensive line couldn’t block and the refs put us behind the 8 ball.

scho63
02-16-2021, 10:05 AM
Too many poll options; TLDR

1. Our ‘offensive’ line.

2. Terrible game plan and terrible in game coaching decisions.

3. Biased officiating.

Yes, Yes, Yes :thumb:

stevieray
02-16-2021, 10:21 AM
1] Injuries
2] Focus
3] Execution.

ThaVirus
02-16-2021, 10:27 AM
It’s why we struggled when he had Belichick as a coach. We didn’t struggle against him the first time we played the Bucs. We struggled this time because our receivers couldn’t catch shit, the offensive line couldn’t block and the refs put us behind the 8 ball.


We didn’t struggle but we weren’t great against them defensively. In the first couple quarters we did well, but some shit throws from Brady ended a couple promising drives.

As we saw in the SB, if we weren’t forcing a turnover, they were marching down the field at-will.

Bill Brasky
02-16-2021, 10:37 AM
LT , RT & C

Preach.

KC_Lee
02-16-2021, 10:43 AM
In order;

1) 90% of the o-line was back ups playing in different positions
2) Mahomes' toe was worse than we thought
3)Not letting the 1st half expire after scoring, albeit a FG
4) Frank Clark is officially on the NFL's Missing Person milk carton
5) Britt Reid was a distraction the team really didn't need given all the other challenges it faced
6) Officiating was hot garbage

htismaqe
02-16-2021, 11:18 AM
We didn’t struggle but we weren’t great against them defensively. In the first couple quarters we did well, but some shit throws from Brady ended a couple promising drives.

As we saw in the SB, if we weren’t forcing a turnover, they were marching down the field at-will.

The defense was good early and then the penalties started. By halftime, the Chiefs obviously felt like there was nothing they could do to avoid the refs gifting them more yards.

-King-
02-16-2021, 11:27 AM
The defense was good early and then the penalties started. By halftime, the Chiefs obviously felt like there was nothing they could do to avoid the refs gifting them more yards.

If they knew the penalties were BS, they shouldn't have changed their game plan. They should have dared the refs to keep throwing flags.

And is there proof that they started playing softer anyways? Or is it just people rationalizing?

ThaVirus
02-16-2021, 11:46 AM
The defense was good early and then the penalties started. By halftime, the Chiefs obviously felt like there was nothing they could do to avoid the refs gifting them more yards.

The defense was fucking incredible for the first two drives, then it all went to shit.

Blame penalties or whatever you want, but they were running the ball very well against us for most of the game as well. The Bucs offense just schooled us.

I still can't believe we couldn't cover Gronk. Dude took a dump off for like 10 yards before crossing the plane for the TD. He looked like he was running in sand and still none of our guys could stop him. Sneed lost track of him on the long TD pass. He was blocking our DEs 1-on-1.. it was ugly.

Rain Man
02-16-2021, 11:51 AM
Too many poll options; TLDR

1. Our ‘offensive’ line.

2. Terrible game plan and terrible in game coaching decisions.

3. Biased officiating.

There's no such thing as too many poll options.

-King-
02-16-2021, 11:53 AM
The defense was fucking incredible for the first two drives, then it all went to shit.

Blame penalties or whatever you want, but they were running the ball very well against us for most of the game as well. The Bucs offense just schooled us.

I still can't believe we couldn't cover Gronk. Dude took a dump off for like 10 yards before crossing the plane for the TD. He looked like he was running in sand and still none of our guys could stop him. Sneed lost track of him on the long TD pass. He was blocking our DEs 1-on-1.. it was ugly.

This. Defense was good for 2 drives and was terrible afterwards penalties notwithstanding.

The Franchise
02-16-2021, 12:03 PM
This. Defense was good for 2 drives and was terrible afterwards penalties notwithstanding.

This is such fucking bullshit.

1. Three and out
2. Three and out
3. Gave up a TD. You could say this was a bad drive.
4. Goal line stop
5. Got the INT that was overturned on a bullshit penalty.
6. Drive before the half that had two bullshit penalties.
Half
7. Terrible drive by the defense.
8. Held them to a FG after a turnover
9. Punt
10. Punt

So two bad drives by the defense but somehow they played terrible even though the offense shit the fucking bed.

eDave
02-16-2021, 12:08 PM
Offensive line was four-fifths backups and guys playing out of position.
Receivers had the worst collective performance of their careers.
Mahomes played on a torn plantar plate.

Bearcat
02-16-2021, 12:09 PM
The defense was ****ing incredible for the first two drives, then it all went to shit.

Blame penalties or whatever you want, but they were running the ball very well against us for most of the game as well. The Bucs offense just schooled us.

I still can't believe we couldn't cover Gronk. Dude took a dump off for like 10 yards before crossing the plane for the TD. He looked like he was running in sand and still none of our guys could stop him. Sneed lost track of him on the long TD pass. He was blocking our DEs 1-on-1.. it was ugly.

I think they made some good adjustments, which Simms talked about in one of their videos... he mentioned the Bucs were still working the kinks out late in the season to protect Brady by running the ball more and with the screens and so forth.

The Chiefs were bringing the house early and it worked eight up until they started with those 2 yard dump offs that would turn into 20+ yard gains, plus they started running it more.

It's exactly what we wish the Chiefs would have done on offense, though the line couldn't handle much of anything, of course.

Saying it was the flags that slowed them down is purely guessing, but you can clearly point to the Bucs' adjustments... and the Chiefs did adjust as well, but it obviously cost them some pressure on Brady.

ThaVirus
02-16-2021, 12:17 PM
This is such fucking bullshit.

1. Three and out
2. Three and out
3. Gave up a TD. You could say this was a bad drive.
4. Goal line stop
5. Got the INT that was overturned on a bullshit penalty.
6. Drive before the half that had two bullshit penalties.
Half
7. Terrible drive by the defense.
8. Held them to a FG after a turnover
9. Punt
10. Punt

So two bad drives by the defense but somehow they played terrible even though the offense shit the fucking bed.


You’re making too many excuses.

They should never have been in the position to allow those “bullshit penalties” right before half.

Why was Breeland beaten by Mike Evans so badly? The guy was 3 yards past him when he got tripped up. The safety was way too slow in getting over. He allowed literally the only play that we could not allow in that situation.

Why was Mathieu initiating contact with Evans at the top of his route in the end zone? If they didn’t call that DPI, it was going to be illegal contact.

After the Bucs scored that easy TD to start the second half, they were just coasting. They were hardly trying so I don’t give our defense credit for much of anything in the second half.

stevieray
02-16-2021, 12:26 PM
Why was Breeland beaten by Mike Evans so badly? The guy was 3 yards past him when he got tripped up.

Evans tripped Breeland, then Breeland fell and clipped Evans...and he flopped.

It was textbook incidental contact.

Bearcat
02-16-2021, 12:32 PM
Evans tripped Breeland, then Breeland fell and clipped Evans...and he flopped.

It was textbook incidental contact.

Evans' legs are 9 feet long, which is how Breeland was 3 yards behind when Evans' foot hit Breeland, causing both to trip up.

Breeland obviously should have trailed by 5+ yards on the play in order to not get caught up in the massive stride that comes with 18 feet of legs flying at you.

ThaVirus
02-16-2021, 12:32 PM
Evans tripped Breeland, then Breeland fell and clipped Evans...and he flopped.

It was textbook incidental contact.


Weird, shitty calls be damned.

In that situation you just can’t get beaten deep. I don’t care how it happens. That was Breeland’s sole responsibility on that play and he blew it.

DJJasonp
02-16-2021, 12:46 PM
Why was Mathieu initiating contact with Evans at the top of his route in the end zone? If they didn’t call that DPI, it was going to be illegal contact.

.

Evans initiated the contact, by the way.

KCChiefsFan88
02-16-2021, 12:51 PM
Andy Reid coaches the worst game of his career in KC... obviously the distraction of his son’s situation had a huge impact on him (how could it not).

stevieray
02-16-2021, 12:52 PM
I don’t care how it happens.


It's football. It's GOING to happen.

Mama Hip Rockets
02-16-2021, 04:30 PM
I'd say o-line injuries, one-sided officiating, and too many dropped passes.

Gary Cooper
02-16-2021, 04:54 PM
Picked the same 3 choices as the most popular ones right now. Maybe we don't win with that O-Line no matter the game plan, but the plan was naive. Much like Tampa had a naive defensive plan during the first half of the regular season meeting. They should have run more and thrown more short passes. Not pretend they can still run the same offense when it was obviously not working.

The officiating was awful. Especially right before half. Especially since they didn't call the game tight on the other side of the ball. We probably still lose regardless of the refs but the game wouldn't have gotten away so quickly before halftime.

Gary Cooper
02-16-2021, 04:54 PM
Evans initiated the contact, by the way.

Evans was flopping worse than Neymar the entire game. That POS should have gotten the MVP for his antics.

ThaVirus
02-16-2021, 05:07 PM
It's football. It's GOING to happen.

That sort of shit can't happen in that situation in the Championship game or Super Bowl.

It happened to the Packers and Chiefs. That's why both of us lost.

Rain Man
02-16-2021, 05:22 PM
I'd say o-line injuries, one-sided officiating, and too many dropped passes.

Good point. I should have had a poll option about the receivers all eating buttered popcorn on the sidelines.

The Franchise
02-16-2021, 05:33 PM
Go compare Mathieu’s overturned INT because of a Ward hold to this.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WHAT A PICK. also what a hold ��<a href="https://twitter.com/acmepackingco?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@acmepackingco</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Bucs_Nation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Bucs_Nation</a> <a href="https://t.co/hA1zXb6rI4">pic.twitter.com/hA1zXb6rI4</a></p>&mdash; SB Nation (@SBNation) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/1353453496364744706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
02-16-2021, 05:44 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bucs LB Devin White: Chiefs shouldn&#39;t talk about not having their best offensive tackles when they put their tackles on an island without help <a href="https://t.co/PAmDlFVIzG">https://t.co/PAmDlFVIzG</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1361786396839718914?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

stevieray
02-16-2021, 11:03 PM
That sort of shit can't happen in that situation in the Championship game or Super Bowl.

It happened to the Packers and Chiefs. That's why both of us lost.

Incidental contact? Can't happen? It's accidental. You can't stop that.

That isn't why we lost .

crayzkirk
02-16-2021, 11:23 PM
My #3 is the lack of pass rush... After the first quarter, Brady was under zero pressure.

Of course, our players dropping balls and getting hit in the facemask sure didn't help.

It is what it is; it's over. let's move on.

RaidersOftheCellar
02-17-2021, 12:09 AM
If Hill and Williams catch the two that hit them in their facemasks and Robinson catches a ball that hits him in the hands, this is anybody’s game at the end. Despite the penalty flurry and the worst O-line in SB history. If Brady isn’t gifted a few of those penalties, Chiefs could have been in command.

Regardless of the score, a few plays and a few flags decided it.

htismaqe
02-17-2021, 12:14 AM
My #3 is the lack of pass rush... After the first quarter, Brady was under zero pressure.

Of course, our players dropping balls and getting hit in the facemask sure didn't help.

It is what it is; it's over. let's move on.

After the first quarter, the flags started flying and the refs took the fight right out of them.

hometeam
02-17-2021, 12:47 AM
Oline was dead
We didnt score any touchdowns
They also had more points at the end

kevrunner
02-17-2021, 03:35 AM
1) Offensive Line
2) Offensive Line
3) Offensive Line

DTVietnam
02-17-2021, 05:09 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This one still hurts me now. And yet still not as bad as it hurt the gameflow last night.<a href="https://t.co/2DFVJOB9nx">pic.twitter.com/2DFVJOB9nx</a></p>&mdash; ʀ ᴊ (@__R2J) <a href="https://twitter.com/__R2J/status/1358842285912297472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


then Andys 2 timeouts..

Hill grabs that TD...

Andy doesnt call those timeouts..gameflow is completely different. .

under usage of CEH as well. .

so many fucking reasons. . it makes me sick

KCJake
02-17-2021, 06:24 AM
Eric Fisher

Mitchell Schwartz

Laurent Duvernay-Tardif

Without question, THIS. But hey Laurent Duvernay-Tardif cured covid. So we've got that going for us ..

ThaVirus
02-17-2021, 08:23 AM
Incidental contact? Can't happen? It's accidental. You can't stop that.

That isn't why we lost .

Breeland got burned badly. He fell over because he was trying to recover from a very bad position.

Evans should never have been behind Breeland in that situation.

stevieray
02-17-2021, 09:46 AM
Breeland got burned badly. He fell over because he was trying to recover from a very bad position.

Evans should never have been behind Breeland in that situation.

should? good luck with that.

breeland fell because evans clipped him in stride.

we're done here.

ThaVirus
02-17-2021, 09:54 AM
You’re being a dipshit, so I agree.

rabblerouser
02-17-2021, 10:16 AM
Breeland got burned badly. He fell over because he was trying to recover from a very bad position.

Evans should never have been behind Breeland in that situation.

That's why it looked so bad - even though it was incidental and a flag shouldn't have been thrown at all, Breeland had gotten beat and actually did a great job in making up ground, but in real time "bang bang" from the refs angle I'm sure it kinda looked like Breeland was beat and just sped up and ran into Evans to keep him from possibly catching the ball and scoring the touchdown.

But that's not what happened...

ThaVirus
02-17-2021, 10:58 AM
That's why it looked so bad - even though it was incidental and a flag shouldn't have been thrown at all, Breeland had gotten beat and actually did a great job in making up ground, but in real time "bang bang" from the refs angle I'm sure it kinda looked like Breeland was beat and just sped up and ran into Evans to keep him from possibly catching the ball and scoring the touchdown.

But that's not what happened...


Right. You can argue all day that it wasn’t DPI and shouldn’t have been called, but the fact of the matter is, Breeland got beaten badly in a situation where he absolutely could not allow it. Him getting beaten so thoroughly is what directly led to the shitty call.

That same exact thing happens 6 minutes into the 1st quarter or with 7 minutes left in the 3rd, it’s not as big of a deal. Then, that sort of thing is expected.

But with 1:00 left before half? It cannot happen. You can’t get beaten deep there. You just can’t.

blueprint_one
02-17-2021, 02:43 PM
After the first half of holding and PI calls, the defense had to be basically completely hands off the receivers in the second half. Problem is... The refs officiated the second half differently. You can't really win if the game is officiated that differently.