How long do you plan on wearing a mask in public?

[TLO]

Poll incoming. Please try to keep it non political so it doesn't get moved to DC.

[ptlyon]

Your mom?

[Hammock Parties]

As long as the stupid stores requiring me to make me do it. What a stupid question.

[notorious]

Only while required.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Well, if I lose all my money in the stock market I may have to knock off a bank so I'll play it by ear. LOL

[TLO]

As long as the stupid stores requiring me to make me do it. What a stupid question.

Those stupid stores making you wear stupid masks aren't realistically making your stupid ass put the stupid mask on your face

[smithandrew051]

As long as required but not at all after that.

I really don’t see the point in getting upset with the staff at a store or restaurant. It isn’t their rule. People take it out on a completely innocent person. If you have an issue, you can always call your County Health Department and express your feelings to them.

I will add that most gas station bathrooms are more tolerable with a mask on (QT not included, they do a great job!!!).

[ptlyon]

Well, if I lose all my money in the stock market I may have to knock off a bank so I'll play it by ear. LOL

Wait. What you know?

[loochy]

I'm vaccinated. I won't be wearing a mask unless the location's policy requests that I do.

[D.A.P.]

Ban masks

[Hammock Parties]

Those stupid stores making you wear stupid masks aren't realistically making your stupid ass put the stupid mask on your face

Yes they are. Most likely you're going to be escorted out otherwise.

Last night was pretty nice though. No one in the grocery store so I took it off if I was in an aisle with no one. People in the gym also don't care about you not wearing it constantly. I'll put it on if I go to the water fountain.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

Until told otherwise. As a contractor working on federal property, it’s wear the mask or not work.

Personally, I like paychecks. So, I play by their rules.

[smithandrew051]

Yes they are. Most likely you're going to be escorted out otherwise.

Last night was pretty nice though. No one in the grocery store so I took it off if I was in an aisle with no one.

In many cases, it’s required by the County. There are severe repercussions for the businesses if they don’t enforce the County’s rule.

I get that it’s kind of ridiculous to make a business enforce the County’s rule on the customers, but they don’t have much of a choice.

[notorious]

I hope that people that are sick in the future throw a mask on as courtesy to others.

Who am I kidding? People are assholes.

[TLO]

It has kind of just become routine for me at this point. It'll probably become an adjustment not masking at this point honestly.

[TLO]

I hope that people that are sick in the future throw a mask on as courtesy to others.

Who am I kidding? People are assholes.

I was going to add this in as well. I think going forward, if I'm not feeling well and ah in public I think I might throw on a mask as a curiosity to others.

[Donger]

Until I'm fully vaccinated, and where I go (airplanes, clients, etc.) no longer require it.

[Hammock Parties]

In many cases, it’s required by the County. There are severe repercussions for the businesses if they don’t enforce the County’s rule.

I get that it’s kind of ridiculous to make a business enforce the County’s rule on the customers, but they don’t have much of a choice.

Don't lecture to me, cock. I've been following the god damn rules.

[smithandrew051]

Don't lecture to me, cock. I've been following the god damn rules.

Not lecturing at all.

Just pointing out that it isn’t the businesses choosing to require it. Their hands are tied.

[tmax63]

I only wear one when I have to. To work as a food delivery driver part time it's a requirement. All public places that ignore the edict of the great and powerful Gov. Polis and where I can avoid it, I don't. I'm scheduled for my first shot on the 22th and plan on wearing it even less after that.

[Hammock Parties]

Not lecturing at all.

Just pointing out that it isn’t the businesses choosing to require it. Their hands are tied.

No shit? I wasn't aware of that. Holy fucking shit. What a fucking revelation.

[KC_Lee]

In many cases, it’s required by the County. There are severe repercussions for the businesses if they don’t enforce the County’s rule.

I get that it’s kind of ridiculous to make a business enforce the County’s rule on the customers, but they don’t have much of a choice.

This is why I wear one until the powers that be lift the rules. I don't want to be the asshole that gets a business that I frequent in trouble, simply because they are enforcing rules that were placed on them.

[BWillie]

Until the restrictions are lifted and I am vaccinated.

[Dartgod]

Not lecturing at all.

Just pointing out that it isn’t the businesses choosing to require it. Their hands are tied.

That's not true. The county I live in does not have a mask mandate. However, Walmart, Sams, Home Depot, Target and many other businesses require them. Price Chopper and Hy-Vee do not require them, but most people wear them anyway.

[loochy]

Not lecturing at all.

Just pointing out that it isn’t the businesses choosing to require it. Their hands are tied.


That's not necessarily true.


Here, there is no state, county, or city mandate. It's entirely up to the business.

[FloridaMan88]

I have barely been wearing a stupid mask since last summer... only in the few stores that still require it and of course when flying on an airplane (which is a disgusting experience, having to wear a mask in that environment).

By end of this summer, the mask thing will be over.

[BWillie]

I have barely been wearing a stupid mask since last summer... only in the few stores that still require it and of course when flying on an airplane (which is a disgusting experience, having to wear a mask in that environment).

By end of this summer, the mask thing will be over.

Hopefully. As long as enough anti-vaxxers get vaccinated. The more that refuse, the more this could drag on. I'm not sure the percentage of people aged 18-55 who will refuse to get the vaccine, but around these parts based on who I talk to it's quite alot.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

I don't mind wearing a mask, it's kinda nice to have my face hidden and not have to worry about greeting or being overly pleasant to strangers

[oldman]

I don't like them either, but it's a small thing to do until this plague is over. Even if I'm fully vaccinated, I could still be carrying the bug. The 25 year old person I'm standing next to in line might be on chemo. That person might be your kid or significant other. If the minor pain-in-the-ass prevents another death, I'm in.

[Hydrae]

That's not necessarily true.


Here, there is no state, county, or city mandate. It's entirely up to the business.

I went from Austin to South Padre Island last week so got to see a decent amount of the state. Most everywhere I went masks were required by the businesses still.

Now at the bar no one was wearing a mask while at their table. But I think everyone put one on when they got up from the table. So my observation is that most everyone is still wearing a mask here in Texas even with the restrictions lifted statewide. Some local authorities still have mandates in place (see Austin) and many businesses are mandating them for entry. I think this will continue for several more months.

[ThaVirus]

I have barely been wearing a stupid mask since last summer... only in the few stores that still require it and of course when flying on an airplane (which is a disgusting experience, having to wear a mask in that environment).

By end of this summer, the mask thing will be over.

Wearing a mask is a minor annoyance at worst.

You're a crybaby.

[FloridaMan88]

The 25 year old person I'm standing next to in line might be on chemo. That person might be your kid or significant other. If the minor pain-in-the-ass prevents another death, I'm in.

That 25 year old chemo patient would also be susceptible to serious illness/death from any # of respiratory diseases...flu, pneumonia, even the common cold... did you previously wear a mask to protect that chemo patient from those diseases?

[FloridaMan88]

Wearing a mask is a minor annoyance at worst.

You're a crybaby.

Masks were not part of our society until April 2020 as evidenced by the fact that many cities/states have long standing ANTI-mask laws on their books.

Some people like yourself may consider that dramatic change to be "minor", but most people understand the importance of getting our way of life back to pre-pandemic normal as soon as possible.

[Old Dog]

I only wear one when it's an absolute necessity (IE in an airport or on a plane)...most places I HAVE to go don't mandate them now. If I'm asked to put one on or leave, I'll make my decision at that time (most times I'll put one on but there are times I've decided I'll take my business elsewhere) but in no way am I going to be an ass to the poor person at the door, it's generally not their decision.

That said, the incognito on this site even seem to work on planes and they're the lightest and most breathable I've found.

https://fakemaskusa.com/

[ChiTown]

I'll wear masks where they are required. No big deal.

[MahomesMagic]

Fauci said early on that masks were symbolic.

I wear a cotton mask into stores as I am in NY. Around me I see lots of people wearing them as they drive and walking alone outside.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It's time we don't wear them at all....period. Mask down and open up

[Bearcat]

Fauci said early on that masks were symbolic.

I wear a cotton mask into stores as I am in NY. Around me I see lots of people wearing them as they drive and walking alone outside.

He specifically said they're for protection and him wearing one is a symbol for other people to do the same..... as in, if he's walking outside with one other person, he knows there's a low risk being outside and all and a mask in that situation probably isn't required, but he still puts one on as a symbol of doing the right thing, and probably so people who will take anything out of context in order to support their agenda won't be all "ermergerd he was caught on camera this one time without a mask!!"

[mr. tegu]

I'm vaccinated. I won't be wearing a mask unless the location's policy requests that I do.


Really the only answer needed.

[tmax63]

Between the vaccination push and the number of people who have had the virus and developed some immunity and the number of people who have had it and never knew they had it quite a few experts are feeling that the US is on the brink of having significant herd immunity. There are experts on both sides of the fence but there are some saying we're already seeing some of the effects already. People need to realize it's not an all or nothing. Fauci thinks we need to wear a mask until there's not a single death from Covid and that's totally crazy. It's time to go back to normal now. The health care system can handle what cases occur and no matter how loudly the politicians scream and try to exert maximum control it's time to wean them off their "pandemic power grab".

[ptlyon]

He specifically said they're for protection and him wearing one is a symbol for other people to do the same..... as in, if he's walking outside with one other person, he knows there's a low risk being outside and all and a mask in that situation probably isn't required, but he still puts one on as a symbol of doing the right thing, and probably so people who will take anything out of context in order to support their agenda won't be all "ermergerd he was caught on camera this one time without a mask!!"


Take a deep breath. Must be the longest sentence in CP history. Must *not* be wearing a mask.

[ClevelandBronco]

I’ll wear one until the restrictions are lifted by whichever public or private entity has authority over a situation or a place. I wear a mask for a single reason: because I don’t want to deal with people who’d freak out if I weren’t wearing one.

[Bugeater]

I can't wait until I can throw every fucking one of them in the trash.

[Bearcat]

Take a deep breath. Must be the longest sentence in CP history. Must *not* be wearing a mask.

LMAO

https://64.media.tumblr.com/c1f33c9ef5a9fcd4b03a09115f5b22c2/tumblr_muuugziO3M1qm2l53o6_250.gif

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I can't wait until I can throw every fucking one of them in the trash.

:clap:

[Pasta Little Brioni]

TLO will wear one forever

[luv]

Until the restrictions are lifted. I would have probably put until I'm vaccinated, but I will be fully vaccinated before the restrictions expire.

[BWillie]

Between the vaccination push and the number of people who have had the virus and developed some immunity and the number of people who have had it and never knew they had it quite a few experts are feeling that the US is on the brink of having significant herd immunity. There are experts on both sides of the fence but there are some saying we're already seeing some of the effects already. People need to realize it's not an all or nothing. Fauci thinks we need to wear a mask until there's not a single death from Covid and that's totally crazy. It's time to go back to normal now. The health care system can handle what cases occur and no matter how loudly the politicians scream and try to exert maximum control it's time to wean them off their "pandemic power grab".

At 65k cases a day, we are nowhere near herd immunity. Herd immunity is difficult to apply to viruses that typically mutate. The flu mutates ALOT and conraviruses SOME. Nonetheless, herd immunity likely can never be truly achieved due to this. A Covid vaccine will likely be needed every 1-2 years for the rest of our lives. Some of you are just going to have to come to grips with that.

[RunKC]

1.When I’m vaccinated
2. When over 85% of the country is fully vaccinated
3. When deaths are pretty much done

I will not wear a mask anymore when that happens. I project that to happen sometime this summer

[BWillie]

1.When I’m vaccinated
2. When over 85% of the country is fully vaccinated
3. When deaths are pretty much done

I will not wear a mask anymore when that happens. I project that to happen sometime this summer

Yeah, this is really pretty simple. You get it. Good for you.

[ptlyon]

At 65k cases a day, we are nowhere near herd immunity. Herd immunity is difficult to apply to viruses that typically mutate. The flu mutates ALOT and conraviruses SOME. Nonetheless, herd immunity likely can never be truly achieved due to this. A Covid vaccine will likely be needed every 1-2 years for the rest of our lives. Some of you are just going to have to come to grips with that.

ROFL

[vailpass]

As long as required but not at all after that.

Yep. I hate it but I understand there are people scared of the virus and I’ve no wish to be a dick to them. The bars don’t require it when you sit outside so that’s a good thing. Get my second Pfizer next week.

[BWillie]

ROFL

What is so funny? I don't even understand why that is a big deal. Just got to Walgreens in September and get your shot every 2-3 years. Mind boggling people make this such a big deal. It's so simple. get vaccinated. It's not about you. I'm not getting vaccinated because I'm personally afraid of getting the coronavirus. I'm doing it because it is for the betterment to our society and to get past this hurdle. Not getting the vaccine is selfish.

Don't you want to go to Chiefs and Royals games without a mask and be at capacity? Well if you do, just get fucking vaccinated.

[Rain Man]

1.When I’m vaccinated
2. When over 85% of the country is fully vaccinated
3. When deaths are pretty much done

I will not wear a mask anymore when that happens. I project that to happen sometime this summer

Pretty much. But I'll rely on the public health people to tell me when it's fine to run face-naked.

[jjchieffan]

I answered I don't wear a mask, which isn't entirely true. If I'm doing a job in a place that requires it, I will wear it until I get to the network equipment. They won't let me in without it. But other than that, my mask is in my pocket and only worn when I enter a business and they tell me that I have to wear it. Most places don't say a word, so I rarely wear it. I can't wait until this nonsense is over. Mandates are being lifted in most places around here, so hopefully, not much longer.

[ptlyon]

Paging Dr. Willie - you're needed in the emergency room.

[jjchieffan]

1.When I’m vaccinated
2. When over 85% of the country is fully vaccinated
3. When deaths are pretty much done

I will not wear a mask anymore when that happens. I project that to happen sometime this summer

85% of the country will never get vaccinated. I'm not sure that over 50% will. I'm not getting vaccinated. Nobody in my family is getting vaccinated. In fact, most people I know aren't getting vaccinated.

[TLO]

85% of the country will never get vaccinated. I'm not sure that over 50% will. I'm not getting vaccinated. Nobody in my family is getting vaccinated. In fact, most people I know aren't getting vaccinated.

Why are you choosing not to get vaccinated?

[ThaVirus]

Masks were not part of our society until April 2020 as evidenced by the fact that many cities/states have long standing ANTI-mask laws on their books.

Some people like yourself may consider that dramatic change to be "minor", but most people understand the importance of getting our way of life back to pre-pandemic normal as soon as possible.

COVID wasn't a "part of our society" until March 2020 so the mask thing sort of makes sense, no?

You can agree that we need to work to get back to our normal ways as soon as possible and also not be a little baby about wearing a mask.

[BWillie]

Paging Dr. Willie - you're needed in the emergency room.

Not claiming to be a doctor. Just read what renowned infection disease doctors say. Know what you don't know. Do what experts advise. Life is simple.

[Bearcat]

85% of the country will never get vaccinated. I'm not sure that over 50% will. I'm not getting vaccinated. Nobody in my family is getting vaccinated. In fact, most people I know aren't getting vaccinated.

22% of the country has received at least one shot and 12% have received both.

[BWillie]

85% of the country will never get vaccinated. I'm not sure that over 50% will. I'm not getting vaccinated. Nobody in my family is getting vaccinated. In fact, most people I know aren't getting vaccinated.

That is what I'm afraid of.

Did you throw a fit when you had to get the measles vaccine or vaccinated before going to public school? Why is this just now a thing?

It's just ignorant to not get vaccinated if you are like under 80, I'm sorry.

Vaccines are one of the greatest inventions of our civilization to keep people healthy.

[jjchieffan]

Why are you choosing not to get vaccinated?

Several reasons. First of all, I don't ever get the flu vaccine either. I'm not concerned with catching Covid or the flu. If I do, oh well. I'll get sick, then I'll get better. My sisters and their husbands have had it. My stepdaughter had it. They all got better. Secondly, I don't trust this vaccine. I'm not an anti vaccine person. I and my family have had all of our shots. Although, I am skeptical. My daughter and one my stepdaughters are autistic, so I've read a lot about the claims that vaccines have been linked to autism. I don't know if I believe it or not, but there is a lot of supporting information to at least consider it.

[jjchieffan]

That is what I'm afraid of.

Did you throw a fit when you had to get the measles vaccine or vaccinated before going to public school? Why is this just now a thing?

It's just ignorant to not get vaccinated if you are like under 80, I'm sorry.

Vaccines are one of the greatest inventions of our civilization to keep people healthy.

This one was developed so quickly, and the first using mRNA. We won't know for a while what the side effects will be. No thanks.

[tmax63]

At 65k cases a day, we are nowhere near herd immunity. Herd immunity is difficult to apply to viruses that typically mutate. The flu mutates ALOT and conraviruses SOME. Nonetheless, herd immunity likely can never be truly achieved due to this. A Covid vaccine will likely be needed every 1-2 years for the rest of our lives. Some of you are just going to have to come to grips with that.

I don't have a problem with vaccinations every year or 2 if necessary. That's not really the question. Vaccinations to those who want it will be done by summer even if herd immunity doesn't occur although I think it will. BS in Medical Technology and 32 years in Army Medical Corps tells me it will to some degree. Nothing is absolute. At what point do you stop letting politicians use the pandemic as a tool to restrict your personal freedoms and choices?

[TwistedChief]

My mother has severe respiratory issues and is labeled 'immunocompromised.' She's had both shots of the Moderna vaccine. My father wanted to double check on her antibody level so they both got tested. My father's antibodies came back ~180 while my mother's were <0.8. I.e., it was essentially as if my mother had never taken the vaccine in the first place. There's only one study out there, but it seems like the vaccine (at least the mRNA versions of Moderna/Pfizer) only stick with about 1 in 5 people who are immunocompromised.

My mother did nothing wrong. She did everything right. She's just vulnerable and may be for the rest of her life. I'll wear a mask for quite some time until the covid incidence rate falls meaningfully to protect people like her.

[ThaVirus]

I'm not an anti vaccine person.

I don't trust this vaccine.

My daughter and one my stepdaughters are autistic, so I've read a lot about the claims that vaccines have been linked to autism. I don't know if I believe it or not, but there is a lot of supporting information to at least consider it

Sounds like you are.

Overall you're a pretty anti-science kind of dude. What's your line of work, if you don't mind me asking?

[TLO]

That is what I'm afraid of.

Did you throw a fit when you had to get the measles vaccine or vaccinated before going to public school? Why is this just now a thing?

It's just ignorant to not get vaccinated if you are like under 80, I'm sorry.

Vaccines are one of the greatest inventions of our civilization to keep people healthy.

The success/ effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines will go down as one the greatest scientific achievements to date. They also open a lot of doors for future treatments and vaccinations.

It's nothing short of awesome.

[jjchieffan]

22% of the country has received at least one shot and 12% have received both.

Maybe I'm wrong. Time will tell. But I've seen news stories in this area about Covid vaccines not being used. People in rural areas just don't want it.

[Fish]

Secondly, I don't trust this vaccine. I'm not an anti vaccine person.


LMAO

[ChiTown]

85% of the country will never get vaccinated. I'm not sure that over 50% will. I'm not getting vaccinated. Nobody in my family is getting vaccinated. In fact, most people I know aren't getting vaccinated.

22% of the country has received at least one shot and 12% have received both.

I'm guessing the final numbers will be +70% of all adults (18+ yrs of age) will be vaccinated. I believe that will ultimately be enough for us to eventually reach herd immunity.

[TLO]

My mother has severe respiratory issues and is labeled 'immunocompromised.' She's had both shots of the Moderna vaccine. My father wanted to double check on her antibody level so they both got tested. My father's antibodies came back ~180 while my mother's were <0.8. I.e., it was essentially as if my mother had never taken the vaccine in the first place. There's only one study out there, but it seems like the vaccine (at least the mRNA versions of Moderna/Pfizer) only stick with about 1 in 5 people who are immunocompromised.

My mother did nothing wrong. She did everything right. She's just vulnerable and may be for the rest of her life. I'll wear a mask for quite some time until the covid incidence rate falls meaningfully to protect people like her.

What test did they take? Many of the antibody tests available are notoriously unreliable

[TwistedChief]

What test did they take? Many of the antibody tests available are notoriously unreliable

Sure, but it squares entirely with this:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/vaccines/91631?xid=NL_breakingnewsalert_2021-03-15&eun=g1327561d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CovidXplantAlert_031521&utm_term=NL_Daily_Breaking_News_Active

[FloridaMan88]

My mother has severe respiratory issues and is labeled 'immunocompromised.'

Which means she is also susceptible to complications from the flu, pneumonia, the common cold... pretty much any type of respiratory virus/infection.

Did you wear masks around her before COVID-19, during flu season?

[Pitt Gorilla]

This one was developed so quickly, and the first using mRNA. We won't know for a while what the side effects will be. No thanks.
"Side effects"? Of mRNA? Are you ****ing serious? FFS

[TwistedChief]

Which means she is also susceptible to complications from the flu, pneumonia, the common cold... pretty much any type of respiratory virus/infection.

Did you wear masks around her before COVID-19, during flu season?

Do those disease have the same fatality rates for people like my mom? Are they as transmissible? No and no.

[Pitt Gorilla]

As soon as restrictions are lifted, I'm done (unless a store requests it).

[Hound333]

Pretty much once the experts start saying its safe i'll go without.

[vailpass]

"Side effects"? Of mRNA? Are you ****ing serious? FFS

Why is it wrong to question what is injected into your body? I don’t know that someone should be ridiculed for wanting to be fully informed.

[FloridaMan88]

Do those disease have the same fatality rates for people like my mom? Are they as transmissible? No and no.

You are implying that the flu, pneumonia and even the common cold aren’t dangerous for someone with “severe respiratory issues” as you described your mom’s condition?

Those are all dangerous/contagious respiratory diseases for someone with “severe respiratory issues”.

So again, did you and/or your mom wear a mask before COVID-19 to protect against those contagious respiratory illnesses?

It’s a simple yes/no question.

[TLO]

Why is it wrong to question what is injected into your body? I don’t know that someone should be ridiculed for wanting to be fully informed.

No, it's absolutely not wrong. Which is why there is a plethora of information about mRNA to inform those that may question. If you still don't feel comfortable after reading that material, that's ok.

[TLO]

Sure, but it squares entirely with this:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/vaccines/91631?xid=NL_breakingnewsalert_2021-03-15&eun=g1327561d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CovidXplantAlert_031521&utm_term=NL_Daily_Breaking_News_Active

From your article.

Our study is ongoing, and soon we will have data from the second dose, as well as deeper studies of T-cell and B-cell responses, which can confer immunity even when antibodies are not present

We hope for a strong T and B cell response my man. Not only for people like your Mom, but for all of us.

[Deberg_1990]

Forever

[Dayze]

I don't wear one unless I'm required to by a store that I need to go into.
Can't really not wear one at this point since every place I need to go requires it.

[Bearcat]

Maybe I'm wrong. Time will tell. But I've seen news stories in this area about Covid vaccines not being used. People in rural areas just don't want it.

Well, hopefully in the end, enough people get it in order to lift the mask mandates and restrictions.

It's sadly ironic that some of the loudest people against the things they don't have control over aren't ensuring the actions they do have control over are going towards the common goal of normalcy.

And on the flip side, the "sheep" they've been complaining at for all these months are now the ones who will get vaccinated and get everything back to normal.

But anyway, I do think once everyone who wants it has the opportunity to get it, we should open up everything and hope for the best... I think the "zero deaths" benchmark is a bit much. If the number of people who could have serious complications from Covid is reduced by the x% of the population, there really shouldn't be any concern for healthcare to get overrun again.

[dirk digler]

I have given alot of thought to this because I have been fully vaccinated since early January. But I still wear a mask when I am out in public around people and probably will continue to do so for awhile longer.

I will probably also start wearing a mask during cold\flu season because this is the first time in a decade I haven't been sick and flu illnesses have dropped like a rock across the country. I dread going back into the office and being around people coughing and hacking all day like they were doing pre March 2020.

[jjchieffan]

Sounds like you are.

Overall you're a pretty anti-science kind of dude. What's your line of work, if you don't mind me asking?

I'm really not anti science. Many here view me as such because I believe the Word of God over unproven theories about the origin of life. Science has done many gray things. I am a big fan of the works of Nikola Tesla and plenty of other science when it doesn't conflict with the Bible.
In answer to your question, I am a network tech. I work with fiber and routers for a living.

[htismaqe]

I didn't really see a poll option that fit me.

I view mask wearing the same now as I always have - as a courtesy to others.

Even though our state has lifted restrictions, there are still business that ask us to wear masks and so I do when I visit those businesses.

As long as it makes other people feel better that I'm wearing a mask, I will wear a mask.

It isn't about me. Life isn't about me and my feelings.

[TwistedChief]

You are implying that the flu, pneumonia and even the common cold aren’t dangerous for someone with “severe respiratory issues” as you described your mom’s condition?

Those are all dangerous/contagious respiratory diseases for someone with “severe respiratory issues”.

So again, did you and/or your mom wear a mask before COVID-19 to protect against those contagious respiratory illnesses?

It’s a simple yes/no question.

You've literally used this argument before endlessly in trying to pretend that you're clever in an effort to box people into something that you feel is contradictory.

It's not apples to apples for the reasons I mentioned. But to answer your question, my mother was finally diagnosed with her condition only a couple years ago. She was forced to moved cross country to a climate that was more suitable for her. She has taken great pains to equip her house with furniture and pillows that don't cause her issues to act up. Prior to covid she had reduced some of her interactions in public places. I had only seen my mother twice during this period, and if I had felt sick, I wouldn't have been around her.

The virus is more easily transmitted and it's more deadly for her. And obviously, most of us have evolved in terms of our thoughts on public health over the past year. You can conveniently ignore all of that.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Why is it wrong to question what is injected into your body? I don’t know that someone should be ridiculed for wanting to be fully informed.

What specific "side effects" to mRNA are even theoretically possible that cause worry?

[vailpass]

No, it's absolutely not wrong. Which is why there is a plethora of information about mRNA to inform those that may question. If you still don't feel comfortable after reading that material, that's ok.

Agreed, the data is out there. I read it and got my first shot a couple weeks ago. I want herd immunity but I’m not going to crucify people who are scared or skeptical/high horse

[htismaqe]

That is what I'm afraid of.

Did you throw a fit when you had to get the measles vaccine or vaccinated before going to public school? Why is this just now a thing?

It's just ignorant to not get vaccinated if you are like under 80, I'm sorry.

Vaccines are one of the greatest inventions of our civilization to keep people healthy.

The measles vaccine was released publicly in 1963. I first received it in 1979.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with people being skeptical of something new and relatively untested in the wild.

[vailpass]

What specific "side effects" to mRNA are even theoretically possible that cause worry?

I don’t know. Longitudinal data is not yet available. From what I can see it’s a technology with amazing promise and history will look back at the rapid development and deployment as a major achievement. But it’s still early.

[ptlyon]

Well, hopefully in the end, enough people get it in order to lift the mask mandates and restrictions.

It's sadly ironic that some of the loudest people against the things they don't have control over aren't ensuring the actions they do have control over are going towards the common goal of normalcy.

And on the flip side, the "sheep" they've been complaining at for all these months are now the ones who will get vaccinated and get everything back to normal.

But anyway, I do think once everyone who wants it has the opportunity to get it, we should open up everything and hope for the best... I think the "zero deaths" benchmark is a bit much. If the number of people who could have serious complications from Covid is reduced by the x% of the population, there really shouldn't be any concern for healthcare to get overrun again.

It was already pointed out by the fine doctor that this will never end. Vaccines every few years (which ironically doesn't have to be repeated by other vaccines). Wear your masks until the vaccines are distributed. Wait? It's better anyway you should wear a mask? Then obviously we should make it mandatory all the time!

Just because you believe in it so passionately doesn't mean it's right. And doesn't mean you, or the government should have the right to tell everyone what to do. That includes masks, vaccines, and what other bullshit they come up with along the way. (see also: double masking)

We get it. A bunch of you in here get off telling people what to do. That was the intention of the thread in the first place. You don't wear a mask now? SHAME ON YOU! It just delved into vaccines as well, and even more than that. Those types need threads like this one every once in a while to make them feel better about themselves. Congrats. Hope they feel better at night.

[Rain Man]

Maybe I'm wrong. Time will tell. But I've seen news stories in this area about Covid vaccines not being used. People in rural areas just don't want it.

I think there's a lot of peer pressure in some parts of our society for people to say they don't want it, but in the end most people are smart enough to do what's in their personal best interest. I've got rural relatives who howl about this stuff, but when they got the call they went and got their shot.

[F150]

I do where its required. But I no longer really go to places that have a mandate. We have found places in non city counties to eat and shop. And don't care if the cities ever gt another sales tax dollar from me.

[bdj23]

I rarely wear one anyway, and I only started because it was required to go to a restaurant, bar, grocery store ect.

Once these mandates are lifted, they're all going in the fire pit.

[F150]

Maybe I'm wrong. Time will tell. But I've seen news stories in this area about Covid vaccines not being used. People in rural areas just don't want it.

Missouri counties are doing great getting shots to people and higher numbers than were expected. I have a friend in Butler Mo and she said the Health folks and Hospital are thrilled at the numbers....Clinton was really ding well a few weeks ago


id almost wager rural areas do high% vaccinations than the cities do

[htismaqe]

I think there's a lot of peer pressure in some parts of our society for people to say they don't want it, but in the end most people are smart enough to do what's in their personal best interest. I've got rural relatives who howl about this stuff, but when they got the call they went and got their shot.

There's plenty of peer pressure on both sides. Say there's peer pressure on people that don't want it, as if that's the only side experiencing it, is a bit disingenuous. Just look at this thread.

That being said, I know plenty of rural people here that got it after saying they didn't want it. Why? Not because of peer pressure but because of fear of dying.

[JakeF]

A combination of

Until any restrictions in my area are lifted

and

I personally feel it's safe not to



I'll keep track of the covid cases. When it really starts dying off i will lose the mask.

[Rain Man]

There's plenty of peer pressure on both sides. Say there's peer pressure on people that don't want it, as if that's the only side experiencing it, is a bit disingenuous. Just look at this thread.

That being said, I know plenty of rural people here that got it after saying they didn't want it. Why? Not because of peer pressure but because of fear of dying.

Agreed. I just think that when the syringe appears, many or most of the vocal anti-vaccination people are likely to get it, while vocal pro-vaccination people are also likely to get it. I don't think there are a lot of people making pro-vaccine statements out of peer pressure who are going to decline the vaccine due to secret concerns.

[ChiTown]

I think there's a lot of peer pressure in some parts of our society for people to say they don't want it, but in the end most people are smart enough to do what's in their personal best interest. I've got rural relatives who howl about this stuff, but when they got the call they went and got their shot.

Peer pressure won't play into my thinking on getting the vaccine. I'm 54, and I'm in the last group to receive the vaccine. Science will be my only guideline.

[Donger]

Masks were not part of our society until April 2020 as evidenced by the fact that many cities/states have long standing ANTI-mask laws on their books.

Some people like yourself may consider that dramatic change to be "minor", but most people understand the importance of getting our way of life back to pre-pandemic normal as soon as possible.

Mask usage was actually quite high during the Spanish Flu, actually. Required, too.

[Donger]

Which means she is also susceptible to complications from the flu, pneumonia, the common cold... pretty much any type of respiratory virus/infection.

Did you wear masks around her before COVID-19, during flu season?

COVID-19 isn't the flu. And March 2020 says "Hi!!"

[htismaqe]

Agreed. I just think that when the syringe appears, many or most of the vocal anti-vaccination people are likely to get it, while vocal pro-vaccination people are also likely to get it. I don't think there are a lot of people making pro-vaccine statements out of peer pressure who are going to decline the vaccine due to secret concerns.

IMO, the only thing that could, at this point, change a pro-vaccine person's mind is a systemic failure of some sort - a recall related to deadly side effects, evidence of mass corruption or fraud, something of that seismic sort.

On the other hand, I see many people that aren't necessarily anti-vaccine but anti-COVID vaccine (an actual important distinction) getting vaccinated for two reasons.

1. Repeated insistence and even ultimatums from pro-vaccine friends and family or more commonly

2. They've finally allowed baser instincts to kick in and gotten the shot out of a sense of self-preservation.

When it comes down to it, people don't want to die and the longer this goes on, the more people die. It's just statistics but the more deaths that happen, the greater the chance you know somebody that died of it.

As soon as it starts hitting "close to home" people start going to get the shots because they simply don't want it to be them.

[vailpass]

COVID-19 isn't the flu. And March 2020 says "Hi!!"

Being a prick about it doesn’t help though. Especially in America.

[Monticore]

It was already pointed out by the fine doctor that this will never end. Vaccines every few years (which ironically doesn't have to be repeated by other vaccines). Wear your masks until the vaccines are distributed. Wait? It's better anyway you should wear a mask? Then obviously we should make it mandatory all the time!

Just because you believe in it so passionately doesn't mean it's right. And doesn't mean you, or the government should have the right to tell everyone what to do. That includes masks, vaccines, and what other bullshit they come up with along the way. (see also: double masking)

We get it. A bunch of you in here get off telling people what to do. That was the intention of the thread in the first place. You don't wear a mask now? SHAME ON YOU! It just delved into vaccines as well, and even more than that. Those types need threads like this one every once in a while to make them feel better about themselves. Congrats. Hope they feel better at night.

There are other vaccine that need to be taken multiple times , influenza, tetanus and others.

I think everybody wants to go back to normal and vaccines might be the best and fastest way of getting there , so I didn't take it because I was afraid.

It is funny how the people who hate freeloaders when it comes to government assistance are ok with not doing their share in helping get things back to normal thus increasing the need for government assistance.

Minimizing the effectiveness of vaccines/masks/medical advice is only going to increase the likelihood or lockdowns/ mask mandates .

[Donger]

Being a prick about it doesn’t help though. Especially in America.

I agree. He's being a prick, and it's not helpful.

[Bearcat]

It was already pointed out by the fine doctor that this will never end. Vaccines every few years (which ironically doesn't have to be repeated by other vaccines). Wear your masks until the vaccines are distributed. Wait? It's better anyway you should wear a mask? Then obviously we should make it mandatory all the time!

Just because you believe in it so passionately doesn't mean it's right. And doesn't mean you, or the government should have the right to tell everyone what to do. That includes masks, vaccines, and what other bullshit they come up with along the way. (see also: double masking)

We get it. A bunch of you in here get off telling people what to do. That was the intention of the thread in the first place. You don't wear a mask now? SHAME ON YOU! It just delved into vaccines as well, and even more than that. Those types need threads like this one every once in a while to make them feel better about themselves. Congrats. Hope they feel better at night.

Not sure what I've personally said in regards of "telling people what to do"... I explained to someone what Fauci meant and I think the aforementioned irony is sadly funny. :shrug:

I also said once everyone has a chance to get it, things should open up.... which specifically means I don't care if any one person gets vaccinated or not.

The post you quoted isn't about who's right, it's about getting back to normal. Everyone has a few choices, assuming you don't want to move to another country....
-- Deal with the restrictions and do nothing to help those restrictions be lifted
-- Deal with the restrictions and do things that COULD help towards the goal of those restrictions being lifted

If you're doing the first thing while vehemently against those restrictions, you're prioritizing your own stubbornness/beliefs/etc. over getting back to normal.


At the same time, it fucking sucks that I had several travel plans cancelled last year, that going to sporting events at 20% capacity and 20% capacity prices isn't even worth it, and so forth..... and if there's even a small chance that masking up in places and getting vaccinated helps, I'm all for it so we can get back to normalcy.

And every single person should be passionate about doing the same, but some people clearly don't care about the restrictions enough, while also complaining about them every chance they get. It's weird.

[htismaqe]

There are other vaccine that need to be taken multiple times , influenza, tetanus and others.

I think everybody wants to go back to normal and vaccines might be the best and fastest way of getting there , so I didn't take it because I was afraid.

It is funny how the people who hate freeloaders when it comes to government assistance are ok with not doing their share in helping get things back to normal thus increasing the need for government assistance.

Minimizing the effectiveness of vaccines/masks/medical advice is only going to increase the likelihood or lockdowns/ mask mandates .

To be fair, right now we've seen very little evidence that increased vaccinations will lead to "normalcy".

That's what many of us want and what is motivating us to get vaccinated.

But let's not pretend that influential people in the government have continued to say that we might have to wear masks and have some kind of shutdowns well into NEXT year, even if we get high vaccination rates.

There isn't a lot of public trust right now and it's not improving like we were promised.

[htismaqe]

Not sure what I've personally said in regards of "telling people what to do"... I explained to someone what Fauci meant and I think the aforementioned irony is sadly funny. :shrug:

I also said once everyone has a chance to get it, things should open up.... which specifically means I don't care if any one person gets vaccinated or not.

The post you quoted isn't about who's right, it's about getting back to normal. Everyone has a few choices, assuming you don't want to move to another country....
-- Deal with the restrictions and do nothing to help those restrictions be lifted
-- Deal with the restrictions and do things that COULD help towards the goal of those restrictions being lifted

If you're doing the first thing while vehemently against those restrictions, you're prioritizing your own stubbornness/beliefs/etc. over getting back to normal.


At the same time, it fucking sucks that I had several travel plans cancelled last year, that going to sporting events at 20% capacity and 20% capacity prices isn't even worth it, and so forth..... and if there's even a small chance that masking up in places and getting vaccinated helps, I'm all for it so we can get back to normalcy.

And every single person should be passionate about doing the same, but some people clearly don't care about the restrictions enough, while also complaining about them every chance they get. It's weird.

Here's the problem with that.

In this state, we did what the government asked, shutdown and masked up by and large and in return, the government did what they said they would do and lifted restrictions.

That's not happening everywhere. When people are being told that NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO normalcy is not imminent, do you expect them to soldier on or do you expect them to say "fuck it" and give up, especially if they were on the fence to begin with?

The government, at all levels, needs to be more transparent about this and stop using it as a bludgeoning tool.

[OKchiefs]

To be fair, right now we've seen very little evidence that increased vaccinations will lead to "normalcy".

That's what many of us want and what is motivating us to get vaccinated.

But let's not pretend that influential people in the government have continued to say that we might have to wear masks and have some kind of shutdowns well into NEXT year, even if we get high vaccination rates.

There isn't a lot of public trust right now and it's not improving like we were promised.

Nobody has said anything will improve while we only have roughly 10% of the population vaccinated. They have said things will improve by the time we reach "herd immunity" when somewhere between 65-85% of the population has some level of immunity between some combination of vaccinations and natural immunity from the virus itself. We're rapidly heading in that direction if people can just hold on for another 2-3 months and get the vaccines when available while continuing to wear a mask as much as possible. It's really not that difficult to do.

[Bearcat]

I didn't really see a poll option that fit me.

I view mask wearing the same now as I always have - as a courtesy to others.

Even though our state has lifted restrictions, there are still business that ask us to wear masks and so I do when I visit those businesses.

As long as it makes other people feel better that I'm wearing a mask, I will wear a mask.

It isn't about me. Life isn't about me and my feelings.

Yep... I'm low risk, so I've never worn one for my own well being. And now that I've had both shots, I care even less. A guy came over to the house a while back and wanted me to wear one for the ~10 minutes he was going to be there... so yeah, no problem. Another guy came over the other day and didn't care, so I didn't either.

Same for some of the shops and stuff around here that don't care... and if there are people around with masks, I'll put one on.

[htismaqe]

Nobody has said anything will improve while we only have roughly 10% of the population vaccinated. They have said things will improve by the time we reach "herd immunity" when somewhere between 65-85% of the population has some level of immunity between some combination of vaccinations and natural immunity from the virus itself. We're rapidly heading in that direction if people can just hold on for another 2-3 months and get the vaccines when available while continuing to wear a mask as much as possible. It's really not that difficult to do.

Yep, that's what they said 6 months ago too.

And that's why many at the state and federal level are saying that we may not only need masks for another year AFTER herd immunity but "forever".

Again, you can't feed people bullshit and expect them to line up like it's caviar.

The whole thing is counterproductive to the effort of getting people vaccinated.

[Donger]

And that's why many at the state and federal level are saying that we may not only need masks for another year AFTER herd immunity but "forever".


I've never seen anyone at those levels say that.

[Bill Brasky]

I'm vaccinated. I won't be wearing a mask unless the location's policy requests that I do.

This. I've honestly never minded wearing a mask. I don't find it to be an inconvenience at all.

[OKchiefs]

Yep, that's what they said 6 months ago too.

And that's why many at the state and federal level are saying that we may not only need masks for another year AFTER herd immunity but "forever".

Again, you can't feed people bullshit and expect them to line up like it's caviar.

The whole thing is counterproductive to the effort of getting people vaccinated.

Literally nothing has changed from 6 months ago. 6 months ago we didn't have the vaccine available. People have only been getting vaccinated for barely 4 months now. We're finally at around 2.5 million doses a day. At that rate we will likely have surpassed 50% of the population by the end of May. By June or July we could be at the 75% mark if enough people actually get it.

So again, no goalposts have been moved from 6 months ago because we haven't even had a chance to see the results yet of the vaccine. If we do get to that "herd immunity" number and things still haven't changed then you can start to question everything, but I don't see how you can do so now.

[scho63]

I've been tested 6 times at Amazon, all NEG.

The moment I'm allowed to take off the mask it's coming off.

I don't wear one in the community.

[Sorce]

Until the end of time, don't need you mouth breathers exposing me to the aids when it goes airborne.

[vailpass]

This. I've honestly never minded wearing a mask. I don't find it to be an inconvenience at all.

Okay bud.

[Bearcat]

Here's the problem with that.

In this state, we did what the government asked, shutdown and masked up by and large and in return, the government did what they said they would do and lifted restrictions.

That's not happening everywhere. When people are being told that NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO normalcy is not imminent, do you expect them to soldier on or do you expect them to say "fuck it" and give up, especially if they were on the fence to begin with?

The government, at all levels, needs to be more transparent about this and stop using it as a bludgeoning tool.

Yeah, my problem with it for the past year is once we shut down for no measurable metric, then how do we know when to open up again?

Of course, "a lot of people are dying" is a good reason, but a pretty worthless metric.

And maybe those metrics have been used all along, but like you said, there's just not enough transparency.

I see your point for say, mask wearing... you're told to wear a mask to help the spread, so if you're told again and again that you'll be wearing a mask forever, you might say fuck it. And we've always known some masks are in the ~30-40% effective range, and some people hate things that aren't in absolutes.

The vaccine though? Nobody knows what that looks like for the future.... they're still doing studies on how well it prevents spread and what not. So, I would laugh at any leader who said the vaccine won't get us back to normal, just like I'd laugh at anyone who said the vaccine is guaranteed to get us back to normal. And while it's not an absolute, 95%+ is pretty damn effective and is of course by far the best chance for normalcy.

[Donger]

Yeah, my problem with it for the past year is once we shut down for no measurable metric, then how do we know when to open up again?

Of course, "a lot of people are dying" is a good reason, but a pretty worthless metric.

And maybe those metrics have been used all along, but like you said, there's just not enough transparency.

The original federal reopening plan was based on numbers and in phases, just like many states. One of the metrics was sustained decrease in new cases for at least two weeks, for example. Positivity as well.

[RealSNR]

"But it was done so quickly! It's fishy that they came up with this stuff in only a year!"

How much funding did those research institutions receive in the past, and how much effort/urgency was placed towards solving/researching a specific problem like this? Research DOES take time, but damn it sure speeds up when you go from three scientists and a tech or two to hundreds of people just in the area of research and development for a specific vaccine.

The same thing goes for testing and trials. You have participants in testing, but they all have to be managed and monitored by somebody. If you've got an explosion of people to work the distribution and administration of the trials to participants, that phase will be done in much less time.

The only "shortcuts" that have been taken are through government red tape. All of the other safety measures for introducing new medical tech have been followed.

mRNA vaccines ain't going away. This is just the start of them. You may as well get used to it, because in the next 10 years this technology is going to be widely used in medicine, and not just for new strains of COVID-19, either.

[KCUnited]

From the Restore Illinois plan:

"All sectors of the economy reopen with new health and hygiene practices permanently in place."

That says to me all things are on a TBD basis

[mr. tegu]

1.When I’m vaccinated
2. When over 85% of the country is fully vaccinated
3. When deaths are pretty much done

I will not wear a mask anymore when that happens. I project that to happen sometime this summer


Goal #2 is laughably unrealistic. As is any notion if any significant amount of people getting boosters every year.

[AdolfOliverBush]

"But it was done so quickly! It's fishy that they came up with this stuff in only a year!"

How much funding did those research institutions receive in the past, and how much effort/urgency was placed towards solving/researching a specific problem like this? Research DOES take time, but damn it sure speeds up when you go from three scientists and a tech or two to hundreds of people just in the area of research and development for a specific vaccine.

The same thing goes for testing and trials. You have participants in testing, but they all have to be managed and monitored by somebody. If you've got an explosion of people to work the distribution and administration of the trials to participants, that phase will be done in much less time.

The only "shortcuts" that have been taken are through government red tape. All of the other safety measures for introducing new medical tech have been followed.

mRNA vaccines ain't going away. This is just the start of them. You may as well get used to it, because in the next 10 years this technology is going to be widely used in medicine, and not just for new strains of COVID-19, either.

Wait just a damn minute...are you suggesting that a large group of people can complete a task more quickly than a small group of people?? I call bullshit!

[Bearcat]

The original federal reopening plan was based on numbers and in phases, just like many states. One of the metrics was sustained decrease in new cases for at least two weeks, for example. Positivity as well.

Yeah... I shouldn't have said "maybe", I know they're out there, it would just be nice for the next worldwide pandemic if there were at some point specific and country-wide metrics to say when there would be a mask mandate, reduced capacity, shut things down, etc.... and then basically in reverse for reopening.... of course based on complicated math of contagiousness and what not, with pretty graphs and stuff. And then broadly communicated.

[Donger]

From the Restore Illinois plan:

"All sectors of the economy reopen with new health and hygiene practices permanently in place."

That says to me all things are on a TBD basis

Yeah, they really need to explain exactly what that entails. Hopefully, it's old.

[Spott]

By in public do you mean indoor places like restaurants and grocery stores, or do you mean walking around outside in general?

[htismaqe]

Yeah... I shouldn't have said "maybe", I know they're out there, it would just be nice for the next worldwide pandemic if there were at some point specific and country-wide metrics to say when there would be a mask mandate, reduced capacity, shut things down, etc.... and then basically in reverse for reopening.... of course based on complicated math of contagiousness and what not, with pretty graphs and stuff. And then broadly communicated.

I was going to respond similarly.

Notice that Donger said "many states". There's a lack of uniformity in both approach and communication of approach and it creates both confusion and sometimes resentment.

But then we're getting into a political argument about who has ultimate authority in cases like this and I'm not going there, at least not today.

[Rain Man]

"But it was done so quickly! It's fishy that they came up with this stuff in only a year!"

How much funding did those research institutions receive in the past, and how much effort/urgency was placed towards solving/researching a specific problem like this? Research DOES take time, but damn it sure speeds up when you go from three scientists and a tech or two to hundreds of people just in the area of research and development for a specific vaccine.

The same thing goes for testing and trials. You have participants in testing, but they all have to be managed and monitored by somebody. If you've got an explosion of people to work the distribution and administration of the trials to participants, that phase will be done in much less time.

The only "shortcuts" that have been taken are through government red tape. All of the other safety measures for introducing new medical tech have been followed.

mRNA vaccines ain't going away. This is just the start of them. You may as well get used to it, because in the next 10 years this technology is going to be widely used in medicine, and not just for new strains of COVID-19, either.


The federal government is unspeakably large, so when it prioritizes something and puts its shoulder to the wheel, things move. Here's an old example of US airplane production in WWII.

1940 - 3,611
1941 - 18,466
1942 - 46,907
1943 - 84,853
1944 - 96,270

I idly wonder if the government should just pick one problem every year and throw themselves into it. In a couple of decades we'd be an interstellar civilization.

[Donger]

I was going to respond similarly.

Notice that Donger said "many states". There's a lack of uniformity in both approach and communication of approach and it creates both confusion and sometimes resentment.

But then we're getting into a political argument about who has ultimate authority in cases like this and I'm not going there, at least not today.

I can't think of a single state that doesn't have a "reopening" plan. Maybe there are some. But, all the ones I've looked at are basically the same: phased reopening based on numbers.

[Bearcat]

I was going to respond similarly.

Notice that Donger said "many states". There's a lack of uniformity in both approach and communication of approach and it creates both confusion and sometimes resentment.

But then we're getting into a political argument about who has ultimate authority in cases like this and I'm not going there, at least not today.

Yeah, it would be so much easier if you could quickly look up "LA County is in Defcon 1" while knowing exactly what that means, whether it's California or Delaware.

But, we get ridiculousness like Kansas "requiring" a 14 day quarantine after traveling, but Missouri not, while the vast majority of travelers go through KCI on the MO side and wouldn't even know about a KS travel restriction, much less have any reason to follow it.

[htismaqe]

I can't think of a single state that doesn't have a "reopening" plan. Maybe there are some. But, all the ones I've looked at are basically the same: phased reopening based on numbers.

The problem is that not all states are based on the same numbers and some states even interpret the numbers differently or bases them on different ways the data is acquired (e.g. positive tests).

Nor do all states have the same reopening plan with similar phases, timing, or even definitions.

I'm not saying it's the end of the world but I can totally see how it's confusing to some and frustrating to many.

[Donger]

The problem is that not all states are based on the same numbers and some states even interpret the numbers differently or bases them on different ways the data is acquired (e.g. positive tests).

Nor do all states have the same reopening plan with similar phases, timing, or even definitions.

I'm not saying it's the end of the world but I can totally see how it's confusing to some and frustrating to many.

It seems like you are advocating that the federal plan be used everywhere. I would have preferred that myself, for the most part, but we are a very diverse country. I'm not sure that what makes sense for New York makes sense for Wyoming.

[htismaqe]

It seems like you are advocating that the federal plan be used everywhere. I would have preferred that myself, for the most part, but we are a very diverse country. I'm not sure that what makes sense for New York makes sense for Wyoming.

For one, I said that this would likely become a political argument and I don't want to go down that road. ;)

But bottom line is I'm not advocating for any one way but rather advocating for just one way, if that makes sense. I honestly don't know how to solve it because I'm not convinced federalizing the whole thing is the right answer (you're right, New York isn't Wyoming) but I also can see where leaving it up to the states is creating disconnects everywhere.

I just think the whole situation would be easier to understand and thus more easily accepted by many that are critical of it today, if it were uniformly implemented and then more clearly communicated.

[Mahomes_Is_God]

I never took part in the grooming process.

[Buehler445]

Pretty much everybody in my town quit the masks months ago.

I hope that people that are sick in the future throw a mask on as courtesy to others.

Who am I kidding? People are assholes.

That’s no shit.

But out here it will be a political thing for all eternity so I wouldn’t count on it.

[cosmo20002]

I only wear one where I'm told that I have to wear one--in a store or something.
When they stop making me wear one, I won't wear it.

[TimBone]

I have barely been wearing a stupid mask since last summer... only in the few stores that still require it and of course when flying on an airplane (which is a disgusting experience, having to wear a mask in that environment).

By end of this summer, the mask thing will be over.What a fucking bitch.

[RetiredSeniorChief]

Where I live nobody wears them, but we all wear pistols and mine is a Ruger.

[Rain Man]

Where I live nobody wears them, but we all wear pistols and mine is a Ruger.

Does that help keep people at least six feet away? If so, you're good.

[BWillie]

Where I live nobody wears them, but we all wear pistols and mine is a Ruger.

Wow you are really cool.

Where I live people wear masks, and many of us own garbage disposals.

Is this a game of mentioning things unrelated to each other?

[Donger]

What a ****ing bitch.

Bitches don't ride on airplanes. And it's really hard to breathe at 37,000 without a mask while riding on an airplane.

[Bearcat]

Where I live nobody wears them, but we all wear pistols and mine is a Ruger.

There are no confirmed zombie cases related to Covid, if that's where this was going.

[Bill Brasky]

There are no confirmed zombie cases related to Covid, if that's where this was going.

ROFL

[ROYC75]

Bitches don't ride on airplanes. And it's really hard to breathe at 37,000 without a mask while riding on an airplane.

Personally I never had the balls to ride on them so I can see the bitches side of this however I have ridden in them a few times!

[FloridaMan88]

What a ****ing bitch.

Says the dumbshit who probably wears 75 masks while sitting by himself in a car. LMAO

[Bearcat]

Says the dumbshit who probably wears 75 masks while sitting by himself in a car. LMAO

The difference being that anyone wearing a mask in their car for whatever reason is still clearly putting more effort towards getting back to normal than the person crying about the importance of needing to get back to normal while contributing absolutely nothing (or a net negative) to that cause (just a wild guess!).

I could pray every night to the Flying Spaghetti Monster while wearing 75 masks and it would probably be more productive towards that cause you so desperately want for nothing.

You're welcome!

[BigCatDaddy]

The difference being that anyone wearing a mask in their car for whatever reason is still clearly putting more effort towards getting back to normal than the person crying about the importance of needing to get back to normal while contributing absolutely nothing (or a net negative) to that cause (just a wild guess!).

I could pray every night to the Flying Spaghetti Monster while wearing 75 masks and it would probably be more productive towards that cause you so desperately want for nothing.

You're welcome!

No political or religious post in this thread, please and thanks.

[Bearcat]

No political or religious post in this thread, please and thanks.

[extends noodly appendage], my sincerest apologies.

[notorious]

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a pinko commie fuck.

[Lzen]

LMAO

Why is this funny? Why is everyone piling on about this? It seems to me that if someone doesn't buy into what the 'people in charge' say the they must be a nutjob. Well, that's just being dumb, IMO.

I'll tell you about my situation. I have always been a science person. Hell, my line of work is science related. I have gotten all of my vaccinations over the years. I am not some anti-vaxxer. That being said, I don't plan to get this vaccine, at least not for a long time. This vaccine was pushed through very fast and we don't understand or know what will be the long term effects, positive or negative.

Someone mentioned in this thread that it's for the better of society and also made fun of jj. Well, I might agree except that the field of science has gotten very political recently. Not to mention that the liability has been removed by our brilliant 'people in charge'.

As for masks, I wear a mask where I have to but I will stop as soon as I can. For all of you mask lemmings, the data does not show that masks make a difference. And before anyone gets uptight about that comment, go to Tom Woods website. He has some really good information on this.

[Lzen]

Yep... I'm low risk, so I've never worn one for my own well being. And now that I've had both shots, I care even less. A guy came over to the house a while back and wanted me to wear one for the ~10 minutes he was going to be there... so yeah, no problem. Another guy came over the other day and didn't care, so I didn't either.

Same for some of the shops and stuff around here that don't care... and if there are people around with masks, I'll put one on.

That's the way I am about this. I always wear one in public places. I have gone into places that looked at me like I was nuts for having a mask. I have started to realize that there are a lot more people than I knew that are sick and tired of the masks and don't really care any more.

[Imon Yourside]

I hope that people that are sick in the future throw a mask on as courtesy to others.

Who am I kidding? People are assholes.

Nah just stay the F home like you should always be doing when you're sick.

[Imon Yourside]

The difference being that anyone wearing a mask in their car for whatever reason is still clearly putting more effort towards getting back to normal than the person crying about the importance of needing to get back to normal while contributing absolutely nothing (or a net negative) to that cause (just a wild guess!).

I could pray every night to the Flying Spaghetti Monster while wearing 75 masks and it would probably be more productive towards that cause you so desperately want for nothing.

You're welcome!

I know the type that wear masks alone in their cars, they were the kids in Gym that pulled down their pants to take a piss and got kicked into the urinal.

[notorious]

Nah just stay the F home like you should always be doing when you're sick.

I agree, but our society is weird about sickness. You have people that will work through hell and try to hide it, and you have people that will take a week off if they sneeze once.

I'm just asking that if you have to get shit done, wear a mask while you are sick.

[sedated]

That's the way I am about this. I always wear one in public places. I have gone into places that looked at me like I was nuts for having a mask. I have started to realize that there are a lot more people than I knew that are sick and tired of the masks and don't really care any more.

That's odd to hear, from my experience.

I went to Iowa a couple weeks ago right after the mask mandate was lifted (from what I was told). 95% of the people were still wearing masks, to the point that seeing someone without one caused a double-take.

[sedated]

I agree, but our society is weird about sickness. You have people that will work through hell and try to hide it, and you have people that will take a week off if they sneeze once.

I'm just asking that if you have to get shit done, wear a mask while you are sick.

That is the biggest change IMHO - people have FINALLY realized that fighting through a sickness can actually affect other people.

I remember a co-worker a few years ago boasting about how she was toughing out a cold. I had a vacation coming up and let it slip that if she got me sick for my trip I would be pissed as ****. 20 minutes later she left for the day.

[Fish]

Why is this funny? Why is everyone piling on about this? It seems to me that if someone doesn't buy into what the 'people in charge' say the they must be a nutjob. Well, that's just being dumb, IMO.

I'll tell you about my situation. I have always been a science person. Hell, my line of work is science related. I have gotten all of my vaccinations over the years. I am not some anti-vaxxer. That being said, I don't plan to get this vaccine, at least not for a long time. This vaccine was pushed through very fast and we don't understand or know what will be the long term effects, positive or negative.

Someone mentioned in this thread that it's for the better of society and also made fun of jj. Well, I might agree except that the field of science has gotten very political recently. Not to mention that the liability has been removed by our brilliant 'people in charge'.

As for masks, I wear a mask where I have to but I will stop as soon as I can. For all of you mask lemmings, the data does not show that masks make a difference. And before anyone gets uptight about that comment, go to Tom Woods website. He has some really good information on this.

Lacking trust in the vaccine's safety after it's passed the standard safety tests is being anti-vax.

The truth is that we know enough about the vaccine to declare it safe for the overwhelming majority. And it's proven to be so. A lot of people with zero scientific knowledge of how vaccines work are ignoring health experts' recommendations. Not because they have better science that challenges the knowledge already established. But because they've created some random frame of time for them to feel safe. "I'll let others take it before I risk it." Like that's meaningful in the slightest.

Science hasn't gotten political. Science is just science. Politicians are using science for political means more than ever. Which is causing an abundance of misinformation that people from both sides are just gobbling up. Leading to more and more mistrust in actual science.

For the record, I choose the same option as you regarding wearing one where I have to, yet you label me as a "Mask lemming." I'll never understand that.

[Titty Meat]

I dont wear masks

[Spott]

I know the type that wear masks alone in their cars, they were the kids in Gym that pulled down their pants to take a piss and got kicked into the urinal.

Those same kids now pee sitting down as adults.

[Imon Yourside]

Those same kids now pee sitting down as adults.

How do you know if you're a man? Well take it out and wack it against the Urinal, if it cracks you're a man! If not? Well you ain't full grown man yet.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

COVID-19 isn't the flu. And March 2020 says "Hi!!"

Go back to your cave

[notorious]

That is the biggest change IMHO - people have FINALLY realized that fighting through a sickness can actually affect other people.

I remember a co-worker a few years ago boasting about how she was toughing out a cold. I had a vacation coming up and let it slip that if she got me sick for my trip I would be pissed as ****. 20 minutes later she left for the day.

Fuckin' A.

[Buehler445]

That is the biggest change IMHO - people have FINALLY realized that fighting through a sickness can actually affect other people.

I remember a co-worker a few years ago boasting about how she was toughing out a cold. I had a vacation coming up and let it slip that if she got me sick for my trip I would be pissed as ****. 20 minutes later she left for the day.

Let it slip, huh? ;)

Yeah. We tell our guys to GTFO if they are sick. I don’t have time to catch your shit.

[Imon Yourside]

Let it slip, huh? ;)

Yeah. We tell our guys to GTFO if they are sick. I don’t have time to catch your shit.

No one believed I was sick every time Monster movie week happened in my childhood.

[RealSNR]

This vaccine was pushed through very fast and we don't understand or know what will be the long term effects, positive or negative.



It wasn't "pushed through." They didn't take any shortcuts.

They threw a fuckton of resources and man hours into it. From hundreds/thousands of people. With thousands of study participants in the trials. The same amount that other vaccines slowly accumulate over time.

If it's because we just don't know about the longterm side effects, I don't know what to tell you. Medicine has advanced tremendously since you've been alive, and you've no doubt had treatments throughout your life that were new or innovative at the time. It's the human body, man. We can't be sure of anything. But that doesn't mean people should avoid the new just because it's new.

Not trying to be condescending, and given your line of work, you have no doubt considered all of this before you reached your conclusion. I'm just saying-- think about it again.

[Bearcat]

Why is this funny? Why is everyone piling on about this? It seems to me that if someone doesn't buy into what the 'people in charge' say the they must be a nutjob. Well, that's just being dumb, IMO.

I'll tell you about my situation. I have always been a science person. Hell, my line of work is science related. I have gotten all of my vaccinations over the years. I am not some anti-vaxxer. That being said, I don't plan to get this vaccine, at least not for a long time. This vaccine was pushed through very fast and we don't understand or know what will be the long term effects, positive or negative.

Someone mentioned in this thread that it's for the better of society and also made fun of jj. Well, I might agree except that the field of science has gotten very political recently. Not to mention that the liability has been removed by our brilliant 'people in charge'.

As for masks, I wear a mask where I have to but I will stop as soon as I can. For all of you mask lemmings, the data does not show that masks make a difference. And before anyone gets uptight about that comment, go to Tom Woods website. He has some really good information on this.


Lacking trust in the vaccine's safety after it's passed the standard safety tests is being anti-vax.

The truth is that we know enough about the vaccine to declare it safe for the overwhelming majority. And it's proven to be so. A lot of people with zero scientific knowledge of how vaccines work are ignoring health experts' recommendations. Not because they have better science that challenges the knowledge already established. But because they've created some random frame of time for them to feel safe. "I'll let others take it before I risk it." Like that's meaningful in the slightest.

Science hasn't gotten political. Science is just science. Politicians are using science for political means more than ever. Which is causing an abundance of misinformation that people from both sides are just gobbling up. Leading to more and more mistrust in actual science.

For the record, I choose the same option as you regarding wearing one where I have to, yet you label me as a "Mask lemming." I'll never understand that.

Yeah, I was going to basically say the same thing after Googling Tom Woods.... the three main words I got from a couple of sites were politics, author, historian. And all of the videos that popped up about Covid.

And I have no idea if that guy inserts politics into his Covid discussions, but I just don't see how his opinion should matter a ton either by looking at who he is, just like any other non-scientific research (and if he does use scientific research, I'd rather just read that than whatever commentary he has on top of it).

[Chiefshrink]

It has kind of just become routine for me at this point. It'll probably become an adjustment not masking at this point honestly.

You are definitely a "sheeple" then.:p

[J Diddy]

Why is this funny? Why is everyone piling on about this? It seems to me that if someone doesn't buy into what the 'people in charge' say the they must be a nutjob. Well, that's just being dumb, IMO.

I'll tell you about my situation. I have always been a science person. Hell, my line of work is science related. I have gotten all of my vaccinations over the years. I am not some anti-vaxxer. That being said, I don't plan to get this vaccine, at least not for a long time. This vaccine was pushed through very fast and we don't understand or know what will be the long term effects, positive or negative.

Someone mentioned in this thread that it's for the better of society and also made fun of jj. Well, I might agree except that the field of science has gotten very political recently. Not to mention that the liability has been removed by our brilliant 'people in charge'.

As for masks, I wear a mask where I have to but I will stop as soon as I can. For all of you mask lemmings, the data does not show that masks make a difference. And before anyone gets uptight about that comment, go to Tom Woods website. He has some really good information on this.


There are some side effects. I got my second shot and my penis grew 8 inches.

I don't know dick about the science, but I ain't scared of it.

[dj56dt58]

I don’t. If they tell me to I leave and shop elsewhere. At the mall now, can’t believe how many people are wearing masks (it’s no longer required here and wasn’t enforced when it was)

[J Diddy]

I don’t. If they tell me to I leave and shop elsewhere. At the mall now, can’t believe how many people are wearing masks (it’s no longer required here and wasn’t enforced when it was)

I'm not being political here and could care less about your leanings but you're a dick.

The one constant is that it not only adds protection for you and others. Your actions say **** everyone else.

I say that makes you a classless tally wacker.

Edit: Please tell me where you shop so I can avoid the other classless tally wackers.

[notorious]

There are some side effects. I got my second shot and my penis grew 8 inches.



You still need proper lighting and some neat camera effects to make it on CP.

[ChiefRocka]

Whenever I need to legally avoid a face recognition scan

[eDave]

Whenever I need to legally avoid a face recognition scan

I wonder if you can get out of a photo radar ticket if you have a mask on? Provided you got yourself served.

[Rasputin]

At work we are required to wear them but I keep the mask just under my nose whenever I can most of the time. I'll get told by a better than thou nurse to cover my nose sometimes.


In public I'll wear it if everyone else is wearing it but if several aren't wearing it I'll take it off as it's socially awkward either way lol So i kinda go with the flow. Dillons has mask Nazis telling you to put on the mask or cover your face.


I'm ready for the mask thing to go away. They compromise my breathing if i wear it properly.

[FloridaMan88]

The difference being that anyone wearing a mask in their car for whatever reason is still clearly putting more effort towards getting back to normal than the person crying about the importance of needing to get back to normal while contributing absolutely nothing (or a net negative) to that cause (just a wild guess!).

I could pray every night to the Flying Spaghetti Monster while wearing 75 masks and it would probably be more productive towards that cause you so desperately want for nothing.

You're welcome!

Sitting in a car by yourself wearing multiple masks is actually doing nothing more than making you look like a dumbshit.

And actually masks are hindering natural immunity which combined with vaccine immunity will get us to herd immunity faster.

[TLO]

TLO will wear one forever

I've been fully vaccinated for over a month. My officemate is fully vaccinated so no need to mask while in the office. I mask when I'm around my clients in the field and where asked to by businesses.

I've largely returned to normal life at this point and I'll be one that stops masking when the mandates are lifted.

As I mentioned earlier I'll keep a few on hand to wear in the future if I have to be out in public when I'm ill, but I'm as ready as anyone to be done with them.

[Pitt Gorilla]

It wasn't "pushed through." They didn't take any shortcuts.

They threw a ****ton of resources and man hours into it. From hundreds/thousands of people. With thousands of study participants in the trials. The same amount that other vaccines slowly accumulate over time.

If it's because we just don't know about the longterm side effects, I don't know what to tell you. Medicine has advanced tremendously since you've been alive, and you've no doubt had treatments throughout your life that were new or innovative at the time. It's the human body, man. We can't be sure of anything. But that doesn't mean people should avoid the new just because it's new.

Not trying to be condescending, and given your line of work, you have no doubt considered all of this before you reached your conclusion. I'm just saying-- think about it again.I thought this was fairly well-known. Not sure why the "pushed through" type nonsense persists.

[ChiTown]

Sitting in a car by yourself wearing multiple masks is actually doing nothing more than making you look like a dumbshit.

And actually masks are hindering natural immunity which combined with vaccine immunity will get us to herd immunity faster.

Wearing a mask in a car by yourself is pretty funny, but I have to admit I have done it by accident several times. Coming out of my office building, walking to my car and I forget to take it off. I’ll sometimes drive a couple of mins before I remember. I always feel like a dumbass when it finally dawns on me LMAO

[Bearcat]

Wearing a mask in a car by yourself is pretty funny, but I have to admit I have done it by accident several times. Coming out of my office building, walking to my car and I forget to take it off. I’ll sometimes drive a couple of mins before I remember. I always feel like a dumbass when it finally dawns on me LMAO

I seriously doubt there are many people out there who do it without some fairly logical reason. A lot of delivery people do it so they don't have to constantly mess with it. I'm sure many more people have forgotten they have it on, especially if they have it on all day. Or they had people in the car and then forget to take it off. I'm sure there are a lot of pre-Covid germaphobes who have taken it the extra mile.

But, I know it's more fun to think of all those people as fearing they'll give Covid to themselves in a Dunning-Kruger kind of way.

[chiefzilla1501]

Wearing a mask in a car by yourself is pretty funny, but I have to admit I have done it by accident several times. Coming out of my office building, walking to my car and I forget to take it off. I’ll sometimes drive a couple of mins before I remember. I always feel like a dumbass when it finally dawns on me LMAO

Ive done it before if I'm hopping from store to store and just don't feel like taking it off. Im too lazy to take it off and it's not like I'm drowning. I think most people by now do it because they don't give a shit more than because they're being super cautious.

[stevieray]

My wife is currently photoshopping all family pics since 2018 to include masks, for nobility's sake.

[Saulbadguy]

As long as they are required.

We currently have to wear them outside at the kids sporting events, which is dumb - but I understand why they do it. They have to ensure that the idiot anti-maskers comply when going in to the indoor spaces, and refuse to social distance.

[Cntrygal]

I wear a mask where required. If it's optional, I don't wear it.

[JakeF]

I don't like them either, but it's a small thing to do until this plague is over. Even if I'm fully vaccinated, I could still be carrying the bug. The 25 year old person I'm standing next to in line might be on chemo. That person might be your kid or significant other. If the minor pain-in-the-ass prevents another death, I'm in.
good post

[TimBone]

That is the biggest change IMHO - people have FINALLY realized that fighting through a sickness can actually affect other people.

I remember a co-worker a few years ago boasting about how she was toughing out a cold. I had a vacation coming up and let it slip that if she got me sick for my trip I would be pissed as ****. 20 minutes later she left for the day.Let it slip, huh? ;)

Yeah. We tell our guys to GTFO if they are sick. I don’t have time to catch your shit.Good on yall. If anything good comes out of this bullshit, I hope that's one of them.

I have never understood the toughing out an illness attitude. Especially where I work in a tower cab with not a lot of distancing between folks. Nobody wants to catch your shit, if it's just a fucking cold. Keep your ass at home.

[TimBone]

Last note, all of you dipshits associating the mask wearing (or taking covid precautions in general) with your manhood or masculinity...yall some insecure fucks.

[Titty Meat]

I got my first shot today and I'm all kinds of confused. Is it pretty safe for me in say 2 weeks to dine in at a place or go to a bar?

[CasselGotPeedOn]

Wearing a mask in a car by yourself is pretty funny, but I have to admit I have done it by accident several times. Coming out of my office building, walking to my car and I forget to take it off. I’ll sometimes drive a couple of mins before I remember. I always feel like a dumbass when it finally dawns on me LMAO

Yeah everytime I see it, I really hope they just forgot to take it off rather than someone who's actually worried about getting it inside their car by themselves.

[vonBobo]

Pre covid I wore masks when mowing, spraying, and wood working, kind of no big deal to me. Tried a couple of times to wear one at the office when sick but was too self conscious.

After covid I'll be wearing it when sick and maybe even in tight public spaces during flu season (sick people can't stop going to groceries and pharmacies as easily). I have a few assorted bandana type designs that look fashionable and keep me warm, why not?

[vonBobo]

Why is this funny? Why is everyone piling on about this? It seems to me that if someone doesn't buy into what the 'people in charge' say the they must be a nutjob. Well, that's just being dumb, IMO.

....

And before anyone gets uptight about that comment, go to Tom Woods website. He has some really good information on this.

Tom Woods huh? I'll take a look I guess.

Woops, he is a founding member of:

"The League of the South (LS) is a white nationalist, neo-Confederate, white supremacist organization,[6][7][8][9][10] headquartered in Killen, Alabama, which states that its ultimate goal is "a free and independent Southern republic".[11]"

Ima pass on his youtube channel, nutjob.

[Monticore]

Yeah everytime I see it, I really hope they just forgot to take it off rather than someone who's actually worried about getting it inside their car by themselves.

It is technically best practice to touch your mask the least amount possible, to avoid getting it contaminated thus potentially contaminating yourself.

[2112]

I don’t know. I went to work this week after eating a shit load of corned beef and cabbage. Usually when I fart my ass off the girls in the office are grossed out. But Not since the mask wearing started though.

[ptlyon]

I don’t know. I went to work this week after eating a shit load of corned beef and cabbage. Usually when I fart my ass off the girls in the office are grossed out. But Not since the mask wearing started though.

That's on them then

[MahomesMagic]

I seriously doubt there are many people out there who do it without some fairly logical reason. A lot of delivery people do it so they don't have to constantly mess with it. I'm sure many more people have forgotten they have it on, especially if they have it on all day. Or they had people in the car and then forget to take it off. I'm sure there are a lot of pre-Covid germaphobes who have taken it the extra mile.

But, I know it's more fun to think of all those people as fearing they'll give Covid to themselves in a Dunning-Kruger kind of way.

Where I live in New York people don't need a logical reason. People are terrified and I think most of the population has little understanding how to assess risk.

Most older people underestimate their own risk and most people under 70 vastly overestimate their risk.

[ptlyon]

Last note, all of you dipshits associating the mask wearing (or taking covid precautions in general) with your manhood or masculinity...yall some insecure ****s.

Someone had daddy issues

[jettio]

I expect to wear a mask in public until churches and stadiums have no attendance limits.

Wearing a mask is the easiest thing in the world that people want to piss and moan about. How much of a sissy ass crybaby do you have to be to think it is some major burden to cope with?

I wear glasses and the only problem is you have to figure out how to wear it and breathe so that you do not fog up glasses. At first, trying to avoid fogging up my glasses caused some discomfort if I got my breathing off track. Other than that, it is so extremely ****ing easy to wear a mask that it is absolutely amazing how many pussies cry about it.

I guess it is even more amazing in that the bitches crying about it never explain why it is so hard for them to be able to do it. They just have some mental block like their family and friends and churches and schools programmed them to be the biggest crybaby ass pussies on planet earth that cry to the high heavens about shit that it easy.

Seems like all businesses or churches that require masks will provide a mask to someone that does not have one.

It used to be the custom that people did not want to act like crybaby ass pussies that exaggerate how difficult an easy thing to do is.

[stevieray]

I expect to wear a mask in public until churches and stadiums have no attendance limits.

Wearing a mask is the easiest thing in the world that people want to piss and moan about. How much of a sissy ass crybaby do you have to be to think it is some major burden to cope with?

I wear glasses and the only problem is you have to figure out how to wear it and breathe so that you do not fog up glasses. At first, trying to avoid fogging up my glasses caused some discomfort if I got my breathing off track. Other than that, it is so extremely ****ing easy to wear a mask that it is absolutely amazing how many pussies cry about it.

I guess it is even more amazing in that the bitches crying about it never explain why it is so hard for them to be able to do it. They just have some mental block like their family and friends and churches and schools programmed them to be the biggest crybaby ass pussies on planet earth that cry to the high heavens about shit that it easy.

Seems like all businesses or churches that require masks will provide a mask to someone that does not have one.

It used to be the custom that people did not want to act like crybaby ass pussies that exaggerate how difficult an easy thing to do is.


:rolleyes:

No, in this instance, the definition of pussy is a grown man so arrogant, he thinks he can parent other adults with shaming. From behind a computer.

My stance is still the same.
Do what you think is best for you.

[jettio]

:rolleyes:

No, in this instance, the definition of pussy is a grown man so arrogant, he thinks he can parent other adults with shaming. From behind a computer.

My stance is still the same.
Do what you think is best for you.

Stance?

Threadstarter requested no politics. Seems reasonable request to me.

You have one previous post in thread that says:

My wife is currently photoshopping all family pics since 2018 to include masks, for nobility's sake.

I have no idea what your stance is?

Seems to me you are describing that your wife engages in unproductive tasks for whatever reason and you may or may not approve of her wasting her time doing things like that.

You are probably not being truthful about how your wife spends her time with the photoshopping. If she really is doing that, you should use some discretion and keep that information in the family.

Seems like your stance is to turn every thread into a political thread so that you can express your stance.

Since you have no posts in the thread answering threadstarter's question how about sitting tight on trying to turn Lounge threads into political threads,

[vailpass]

Last note, all of you dipshits associating the mask wearing (or taking covid precautions in general) with your manhood or masculinity...yall some insecure ****s.

Who’s this guy?

[Perineum Ripper]

Who’s this guy?

Have that guy on ignore, so he must be some sort of loser

[AndChiefs]

My wife is the last one in my extended family to get fully vaccinated. Once she hits the efficacy mark after the second shot I’ll be ditching the mask.

[TimBone]

Who’s this guy?Have that guy on ignore, so he must be some sort of loser https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210320/17b1007c32879220937d6d7f2ea408c6.gif

[Bill Brasky]

This. I've honestly never minded wearing a mask. I don't find it to be an inconvenience at all.

So I have to revise this statement. I’ve gone skiing with the wife the last two weekends and the mask/neck gator situation is annoying as FUCK. We’re outside in freezing weather and seems a little silly.

I have to take my googles off, pull the gator up, and then put my googles back on. Otherwise just giving the gator a little tug up on my face leaves my nose exposed and every. Single. Lift operator had me fix it before I could ride the lift. 😒

Just wearing a mask in public doesn’t bother me at all, but the fucking around with the googles every time to ride the lift was some of the gayest shit I’ve experienced during this whole pandemic. Never mind the fact that WE’RE OUT FUCKING SIDE AND IT’S FREEZING.

/end rant

[HighChief]

I expect to wear a mask in public until churches and stadiums have no attendance limits.

Wearing a mask is the easiest thing in the world that people want to piss and moan about. How much of a sissy ass crybaby do you have to be to think it is some major burden to cope with?

I wear glasses and the only problem is you have to figure out how to wear it and breathe so that you do not fog up glasses. At first, trying to avoid fogging up my glasses caused some discomfort if I got my breathing off track. Other than that, it is so extremely ****ing easy to wear a mask that it is absolutely amazing how many pussies cry about it.

I guess it is even more amazing in that the bitches crying about it never explain why it is so hard for them to be able to do it. They just have some mental block like their family and friends and churches and schools programmed them to be the biggest crybaby ass pussies on planet earth that cry to the high heavens about shit that it easy.

Seems like all businesses or churches that require masks will provide a mask to someone that does not have one.

It used to be the custom that people did not want to act like crybaby ass pussies that exaggerate how difficult an easy thing to do is.

I get a headache literally every time i wear a mask. Is that worth complaining about in your all knowing book? Just wondering.

[ThaVirus]

I get a headache literally every time i wear a mask. Is that worth complaining about in your all knowing book? Just wondering.

What's the scientific reasoning for developing a headache every time you wear a mask? That sounds like something you should see your doctor about.

[eDave]

What's the scientific reasoning for developing a headache every time you wear a mask? That sounds like something you should see your doctor about.

Gotta assume he has a Dr's note. Which makes me wonder what he's going on about. I suspect he's lying to try to make a point. Sad.

[loochy]

I get a headache literally every time i wear a mask. Is that worth complaining about in your all knowing book? Just wondering.


Maybe the straps are too tight? That sounds weird.

[Titty Meat]

I'll physically force people into wearing a mask

[KCrockaholic]

I'll physically force people into wearing a mask

That doesn’t sound very distanced

[Giant Octopodes]

I'm fully vaccinated, and it's been long enough that I am not a risk to others and they are not a risk to me in relation to Covid. I've followed the science from the beginning, I've read the studies, all evidence we have points to it being close enough to impossible for me to transmit it to others, which is what the masks help with.

At this time, my continuing to wear a mask is a symbol of my alignment with "right thinking people" and showing I'm willing to "do my duty", it does nothing to actually help anyone and is both as effective and meaningful scientifically as if I were to wear a certain colored hat or a certain pin in order to fulfill government and social obligations.

I'll do it anyway, because as others have mentioned it's just not that big of a deal. It makes communication harder (harder for others to hear and understand you), and it makes breathing harder (get fatigued after less exertion), but neither of those are huge insurmountable problems and if wearing a mask is what is required of me then hey I'll play along. Failing to do so would be a way bigger hassle and I value my time too much to make it a bigger deal than it is.

But I do so while being fully aware that I'm just playing along with a charade and my actions provide no benefit to myself or others.

[Rain Man]

I think that there remains an advantages of a fully vaccinated person wearing a mask for a while. 70 to 85 percent of the population is not fully vaccinated, so wearing a mask makes them more comfortable interacting with you. I'll wear a mask until we have full vaccination (however that's defined) and the virus dies down.

And the vaccine's not 100 percent effective, so while a bunch of non-vaxxed people are still running around there's still a possibility of getting it. So even if one is only self-motivated, it's a good idea to remain cautious until the spread is minimal.

[eDave]

Been nearly a week since AZ opened all the way back up. I don't really notice much difference in mask wearing. Old Towne Scottsdale not withstanding.

[Spott]

I'll physically force people into wearing a mask

A ballgag isn’t a mask.

[Rams Fan]

Well, since I just got COVID and am in day 2 of quarantine, a while.

[CurtisMcDonald]

Well, I have already recovered from Covid. So I have no need to wear it.

[eDave]

Well, I have already recovered from Covid. So I have no need to wear it.

Oh FFS. Another antagonistic asshole to grace us with his idiotic take and presence.

[Mahomes_Is_God]

Oh FFS. Another antagonistic asshole to grace us with his idiotic take and presence.

Boohoo

[eDave]

Boohoo

It is counter to the betterment of society as a whole.

[ClevelandBronco]

Vacation to Florida so far:
American Airlines Saturday - Strict mask policy. No spacing at all.
EPCOT Sunday - Strict mask and spacing policy actively enforced.
Lunch in Kissimmee and fan boat tour Monday - Strict mask policy, no spacing.
Kennedy Space Center Tuesday - Mask and spacing policies posted, but widely ignored by public and violations not corrected by onlooking staff.

I’m going along with whatever I encounter.

[Sorry]

I’ll prob wear it during the winter time, has really cut me down on getting my annual cold.

[bricks]

I'm fully vaccinated, and it's been long enough that I am not a risk to others and they are not a risk to me in relation to Covid. I've followed the science from the beginning, I've read the studies, all evidence we have points to it being close enough to impossible for me to transmit it to others, which is what the masks help with.

At this time, my continuing to wear a mask is a symbol of my alignment with "right thinking people" and showing I'm willing to "do my duty", it does nothing to actually help anyone and is both as effective and meaningful scientifically as if I were to wear a certain colored hat or a certain pin in order to fulfill government and social obligations.

I'll do it anyway, because as others have mentioned it's just not that big of a deal. It makes communication harder (harder for others to hear and understand you), and it makes breathing harder (get fatigued after less exertion), but neither of those are huge insurmountable problems and if wearing a mask is what is required of me then hey I'll play along. Failing to do so would be a way bigger hassle and I value my time too much to make it a bigger deal than it is.

But I do so while being fully aware that I'm just playing along with a charade and my actions provide no benefit to myself or others.

I read somewhere that it all depends on the type of mask you’re wearing that makes a difference.

I could see some masks like cloth masks or the masks surgeons wear not being effective at preventing transmission of the virus because they do not constitute great quality. This virus is a very very very tiny particulate and is able to penetrate through some of these masks because there are voids in some of these masks that are bigger than the size of the viral particulate itself. It could penetrate its way through masks that way. It is one subtle, defiant ahole.

Aside from that, Not all masks are equal in quality but there are some masks in particular like the N95 that are very effective at preventing the virus from penetration/transmission. It is tried, tested and approved by the OHSA and prevents inhalation of 95% all particles of various sizes, types and forms.

The mask apparently polarizes the virus because it has an electrostatic filter and to me that seems comprehensible because it is consistent with science.

I believe in mask wearing but it all depends on which mask? The way I look at it, Sometimes we need the best quality of armour that could serve as that top line of defense against a lethal biochemical weapon if we want to best protect ourselves?
I’m not yet vaccinated but the N95 makes me hopeful I will get eventually get there and persist through this sh*t. I rely on it as my defense. It has done me very well. I give it an A+

*p.s. good on you for getting vaccinated. Hope it goes well.

[Rain Man]

Vacation to Florida so far:
American Airlines Saturday - Strict mask policy. No spacing at all.
EPCOT Sunday - Strict mask and spacing policy actively enforced.
Lunch in Kissimmee and fan boat tour Monday - Strict mask policy, no spacing.
Kennedy Space Center Tuesday - Mask and spacing policies posted, but widely ignored by public and violations not corrected by onlooking staff.

I’m going along with whatever I encounter.


What was the crowd like in EPCOT? Just curious.

[CoMoChief]

You'll still have to wear masks even AFTER you take the globalist vaccine.

Mask wearing is the new normal, they've been chanting that for a year now.

See how this is all BS?

Nonstop fearmongering and goalpost moving.

It's never-ending.

[Saulbadguy]

Vacation to Florida so far:
American Airlines Saturday - Strict mask policy. No spacing at all.
EPCOT Sunday - Strict mask and spacing policy actively enforced.
Lunch in Kissimmee and fan boat tour Monday - Strict mask policy, no spacing.
Kennedy Space Center Tuesday - Mask and spacing policies posted, but widely ignored by public and violations not corrected by onlooking staff.

I’m going along with whatever I encounter.

We went to Universal Studios last month and had a similar experience as Epcot - everything was very well spaced out, and they didn't fuck around with you with mask enforcement. Put it on - or get the hell out.

[Saulbadguy]

You'll still have to wear masks even AFTER you take the globalist vaccine.

See how this is all BS?

Hilarious.

[KCUnited]

What was the crowd like in EPCOT? Just curious.

Mostly obese

[Donger]

You'll still have to wear masks even AFTER you take the globalist vaccine.

See how this is all BS?

Part of the reasoning is that the vaccines are not 100% effective. So, people will and have gotten infected after becoming "fully" vaccinated.

But, with hopefully a large percentage of Americans getting the vaccine plus previous infections, we'll reach herd immunity and drive this virus into submission.

[CoMoChief]

Hilarious.

2-3yrs from now we'll all still be wearing masks, and the TV networks will still be blowing up Covid #'s in attempts to scare the public.

[ClevelandBronco]

What was the crowd like in EPCOT? Just curious.

Maybe 1/3 of what you’d expect a busy EPCOT to look like. Markings for places in line stretched much farther than the lines themselves. Everyone who arrived in the first couple hours the park was open got to park in the preferred lot. It was an enjoyable day. Wait times were short enough that we saw or did everything we wanted to see or do, and we were able to leave the park a couple hours before they closed without thinking we’d missed something.

[Rausch]

I don't.

I respect the business or govt building and don't go in if they require one.

I don't believe wearing a paper or cloth mask prevent anything other than random spittle...

[Lzen]

Tom Woods huh? I'll take a look I guess.

Woops, he is a founding member of:

"The League of the South (LS) is a white nationalist, neo-Confederate, white supremacist organization,[6][7][8][9][10] headquartered in Killen, Alabama, which states that its ultimate goal is "a free and independent Southern republic".[11]"

Ima pass on his youtube channel, nutjob.

I don't know where you get your info but this has got to be total BS. Way to slander an upstanding citizen, you POS.

I had never heard this and I have never, not once, heard or seen him say anything that would support white supremecy. This always seems to be a leftist tactic these days, though. Slandering people is so much easier, I guess.

So a simple google search came up with this from wikipedia:

'Woods has argued that the League has changed its politics and was not racist or anti-semitic in 1994'.

/shrug

I'll still listen to his podcast because he is not what was claimed there. Ridiculous.

[Rausch]

2-3yrs from now we'll all still be wearing masks, and the TV networks will still be blowing up Covid #'s in attempts to scare the public.

I don't care to have the real danger/imagined pandemic argument. It doesn't matter.

What matters is that it's been used, just like 9/11, to divert money and rights away from people and towards govt. and big business...

[Rausch]

This always seems to be a leftist tactic these days, though. Slandering people is so much easier, I guess.

It's always easier to shit on other people for being a bad person than to devote the time it takes to become a good one yourself...

[Lzen]

I'll physically force people into wearing a mask

ROFL

I would watch with popcorn in hand.

[srvy]

Part of the reasoning is that the vaccines are not 100% effective. So, people will and have gotten infected after becoming "fully" vaccinated.

But, with hopefully a large percentage of Americans getting the vaccine plus previous infections, we'll reach herd immunity and drive this virus into submission.

You are a reel to reel on rewind play over and over.

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[Lzen]

That's odd to hear, from my experience.

I went to Iowa a couple weeks ago right after the mask mandate was lifted (from what I was told). 95% of the people were still wearing masks, to the point that seeing someone without one caused a double-take.

Maybe my experiences were more of a rural vs city thing.

[Rausch]

Part of the reasoning is that the vaccines are not 100% effective. So, people will and have gotten infected after becoming "fully" vaccinated.


It's a vaccine that doesn't prevent you from getting the virus. Go to the sites of the different vaccines and look for yourself.

The idea is that it prevents the worst from happening if you do get it and you can fight it off quicker if there's a present weakness to it.

I've been exposed to it daily for a year now. I never got sick, I'm relatively young at 45, and I'm in good health. I simply don't need it. I can see why some people do I'm just not willing to risk unknown side effects when I've had no problem fighting it off without one...

[Rausch]

Maybe my experiences were more of a rural vs city thing.

Almost every argument these days is...

[Donger]

It's a vaccine that doesn't prevent you from getting the virus. Go to the sites of the different vaccines and look for yourself.

The idea is that it prevents the worst from happening if you do get it and you can fight it off quicker if there's a present weakness to it.

I've been exposed to it daily for a year now. I never got sick, I'm relatively young at 45, and I'm in good health. I simply don't need it. I can see why some people do I'm just not willing to risk unknown side effects when I've had no problem fighting it off without one...

Yes, they don't have 100% efficacy, like I just stated. Pfizer and Moderna are ~95% and J&J is about 70%

That means that they prevent infection along those numbers.

[Lzen]

Yeah, I was going to basically say the same thing after Googling Tom Woods.... the three main words I got from a couple of sites were politics, author, historian. And all of the videos that popped up about Covid.

And I have no idea if that guy inserts politics into his Covid discussions, but I just don't see how his opinion should matter a ton either by looking at who he is, just like any other non-scientific research (and if he does use scientific research, I'd rather just read that than whatever commentary he has on top of it).

I noticed that nobody has addressed that the idiots running the show thought it was a great idea to remove liability for these companies making the vaccines. Now why do you suppose they did that? I'm open to ideas but I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.

As for Woods, he's just a libertarian commentator. But the information he provides is interesting and not what you typically see on your news network shows or from politicians. Yes, he's been railing on the mask mandates a lot but that really isn't his normal thing. I just mentioned his name because if I wasn't signed up for his email newsletter or listen to his podcast, I probably would not have known some of this good information. I would suggest that you look over his stuff and decide for yourself.

[Rausch]

Yes, they don't have 100% efficacy, like I just stated. Pfizer and Moderna are ~95% and J&J is about 70%

And that's fine it's just important that people know that. I have personally clearly been healthy enough to have no problems fighting this off for nearly a year now. I have been lucky.

When people hear the word "vaccine" there are a number of assumptions people make. They shouldn't, but they do.

I'm fine with people having the freedom to make their own health choices.

[Rausch]

I noticed that nobody has addressed that the idiots running the show thought it was a great idea to remove liability for these companies making the vaccines. Now why do you suppose they did that?

I don't like anything that has to do with this.

I don't like unreliable tests. I don't like how similar the symptoms are to the flu for many/most people. I don't like inaccurate info coming out of the news media non-stop. I don't like the politics tied to it. There are any number of ways this bug could be used by any number of people to manipulate others, and it has been.

I was a huge pro-Trump guy but I disagree with his handling of almost everything to do with Covid. It would appear that I disagree with Biden's as well...

[Lzen]

That is the biggest change IMHO - people have FINALLY realized that fighting through a sickness can actually affect other people.



:thumb:

And to add to that, I think people have started washing their hands more. I have always been a little OCD about washing hands to the point where friends would make fun of me about it. Who's laughing now, MFers? :D

[Donger]

And that's fine it's just important that people know that. I have personally clearly been healthy enough to have no problems fighting this off for nearly a year now. I have been lucky.

When people hear the word "vaccine" there are a number of assumptions people make. They shouldn't, but they do.

I'm fine with people having the freedom to make their own health choices.

But you said that it's a vaccine that doesn't prevent you from getting the virus. They absolutely do in the vast majority of cases, just not 100%

And yes, anyone who thinks getting vaccinated means you have zero chance of being infected is misinformed.

[Rausch]

But you said that it's a vaccine that doesn't prevent you from getting the virus. They absolutely do in the vast majority of cases, just not 100%

Let me restate that - it doesn't guarantee you're immune to the virus.

The assumption by most is that vaccine=immunity. Creating anything that did wasn't going to happen in 6 months. That's not realistic.

What I also hate is the complete absence of any information being given to people about basic health decisions that can impact immunity. Basic info on how to reduce inflammation in the body, diet, and medications that can impact the immune system.

There are a number of small decisions that people can make to stack the deck in their favor. Concentrate on what we can control instead of constant panic and worry.

Will zinc and oregano make you immune? Of course not but they may have a small impact in helping out the immune system. Get sunlight, exercise, and make an effort to eat a few foods or take a few healthy supplements.

I hate the narrative that we're all doomed without the vaccine and that it's our salvation.

[SuperBowl4]

But you said that it's a vaccine that doesn't prevent you from getting the virus. They absolutely do in the vast majority of cases, just not 100%

And yes, anyone who thinks getting vaccinated means you have zero chance of being infected is misinformed.stop living in fear dong

[Donger]

stop living in fear dong

Presenting facts isn't living in fear, thanks.