How do you think we going to fix DE?

[Direckshun]

One thing I learned after the pile-on I suffered in the draft forum recently is that, in lieu of the outstanding job Veach has done rebuilding the OL, we've all kind of downplayed the severity of the situation at DE.

Frank Clark is the only clearly starting DE on the roster.

If he gets hurt, which he will because he always does, our starting DEs will probably be Mike Danna and Taco Charlton, with Tim Ward and Joshua Kaindoh rotating in.

That's just not going to get it done, folks.

I'm going to lay out some options that I can foresee, let me know what you think is most likely.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Don’t ever doubt Veach. He always has a plan..... ALWAYS

[O.city]

I'd imagine Ingram, I hope HOuston

[duncan_idaho]

I went wildcard with Ryan Kerrigan.

More accomplished than Ingram, more tread on the tires (his snap counts dropped the past 2 years due to the influx of talent on Washington's DL).

I think he fits the scheme nicely, too. He's basically Houston, except without the baggage with KC at this point.

[Rain Man]

I think Jones will play outside some, but I also think that Ward, Danna, and Charlton will rotate a lot and play well. I think we're good at DE.

[Sassy Squatch]

I'd imagine Ingram, I hope HOuston
Why the fuck would you hope for that schmuck to come back?

[OKchiefs]

I think they’ll sign someone. To me the bigger issue is 2022 and beyond. Clark should hopefully be gone after this year, but there’s really not much to replace him. Going to need to address the position with numbers next year.

[Rain Man]

I think they’ll sign someone. To me the bigger issue is 2022 and beyond. Clark should hopefully be gone after this year, but there’s really not much to replace him. Going to need to address the position with numbers next year.

If that's true, then Veach will sign one of the league's best defensive ends on a team-friendly deal, and then he'll draft two future superstars at the position.

I like Veach.

[Kiimo]

I think we're forgetting how well Turk Wharton played. Having Jones at DE makes a lot of sense

[RustShack]

Clark, Taco, Jones, Danna, talented upside with Kaindoh.

I don’t think it’s a total black hole. A free agent between now and the first game is still possible between post June cuts and roster cut downs.

[AdolfOliverBush]

I think we're forgetting how well Turk Wharton played. Having Jones at DE makes a lot of sense

Wharton, Reed, and Nnadi are plenty at DT.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I went wildcard with Ryan Kerrigan.

More accomplished than Ingram, more tread on the tires (his snap counts dropped the past 2 years due to the influx of talent on Washington's DL).

I think he fits the scheme nicely, too. He's basically Houston, except without the baggage with KC at this point.

I wouldn't hate that, assuming he has something left in the tank. One of these guys wants a ring, I hope.

I imagine Funk Britches is going to sign a vet DE soon.

[The Franchise]

Wharton, Reed, and Nnadi are plenty at DT.

And you’ve got Saunders there as well.

[O.city]

You probably need to draft your DE early next year anyway.

[Dunerdr]

KEEP FUCKING DOUBTING KAINDOH

[The Franchise]

DE: Clark, Danna, Charlton, Ward, Kaindoh
DT: Jones, Reed, Nnadi, Wharton, Saunders

Get Ingram in here on a one year deal and you’re good for this season.

[-King-]

Why the fuck would you hope for that schmuck to come back?

Probably because he's a good DE. Just guessing though.

[Kiimo]

You probably need to draft your DE early next year anyway.

Just in time for this:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942190-2022-nfl-mock-draft-brs-way-too-early-predictions


32. Kansas City Chiefs: Edge George Karlaftis, Purdue
32 OF 32

George Karlaftis' freshman season at Purdue was something to behold. The edge defender registered a whopping 17 tackles for loss and 7.5 sacks. His momentum didn't carry into 2020, though. Karlaftis dealt with a leg injury and then tested positive for COVID-19.

After a lost season, 6'4", 275-pound defender must reestablish himself this fall. If he returns to form, he could be one of the most sought-after edge-rushers in the entire class. At this point, his status is based more on promise than anything.

The Kansas City Chiefs would welcome a top talent at the end of the first round. As good as the Chiefs are, they lack punch in their pass rush. Chris Jones is often dominant working along the interior, but Frank Clark hasn't been great. Very little help exists on the edge beyond Clark, who may not even be with the team in 2022 since Kansas City can save $13.4 million with his release.



Chiefs at 32, so I like it.

[Rain Man]

Is Pennel gone for good, or would we bring him back? That would give us more options to move Jones and even Wharton around.

[Sassy Squatch]

Probably because he's a good DE. Just guessing though.
He's a waste of space come playoff time. One decent game against the Colts in his entire career. Fuck him.

[wachashi]

I do think we'll see Jones playing some DE this year, but I don't see him playing much DE on third downs. He's almost unblockable at DT when he can pin his ears back on third down. He's perfected his pass rush on the inside, so I wouldn't want to take that weapon away.

We need a pass rush specialist to apply pressure from the outside on third downs. I would be surprised if we don't add someone.

[Rain Man]

Per my earlier point, do other people see potential in Wharton as a strongside defensive end? He's small for a DT, but he's really strong with a high motor. It seems like he's got a lot of traits that would work really well at DE.

[RealSNR]

Not saying we couldn't use an upgrade, but are we really that much worse off with the guys on the roster than we were with Kpassagnon and Okafor?

Danna had some good moments last year. So did Taco. Jones can flip over to DE. And we can always add somebody else like Ingram.

Like... is that REALLY that much worse? Heck, is it any worse than we were when we won it all with Suggs, who was on his last legs?

[New World Order]

Why the **** would you hope for that schmuck to come back?

Because he can rush the passer

[-King-]

He's a waste of space come playoff time. One decent game against the Colts in his entire career. Fuck him.

3.5 sacks in his last 4 playoff games.


Btw, you must hate Chris Jones if playoff stats are your metric.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

KEEP ****ING DOUBTING KAINDOH

On 3rd and long I definately wank JK in there.

[Sassy Squatch]

3.5 sacks in his last 4 playoff games.


Btw, you must hate Chris Jones if playoff stats are your metric.
He's paid for his lack of pass rush production with his stellar performance batting down balls in Super Bowl 54. Houston hasn't ever done jack shit because he's a worthless fag. Do not want.

[-King-]

He's paid for his lack of pass rush production with his stellar performance batting down balls in Super Bowl 54. Houston hasn't ever done jack shit because he's a worthless fag. Do not want.

Ok, we should sign Houston and he can bat balls down in the superbowl too. Blame Dee Ford for not giving him that opportunity in 2018.

[Sassy Squatch]

LMAO At least Ford did something interesting that game. Houston continued to be a worthless ass piece of shit that did nothing of consequence

[Chris Meck]

DE: Clark, Danna, Charlton, Ward, Kaindoh
DT: Jones, Reed, Nnadi, Wharton, Saunders

Get Ingram in here on a one year deal and you’re good for this season.

I agree. Ingram is your situational pass rusher, 2nd and 3rd and long guy. Saves his legs, maximizes his skillset, minimizes his weaknesses. Danna is pretty good against the run. Charlton if healthy isn't trash, and Ward looked pretty good in week 17. The rotation isn't bad if you add one vet with some pass rush skills to go with Jones, Reed, and Clark.

In fact, that's pretty damned good.

[O.city]

Teams throw on first down though now. I think you need more than just Ingram.

[Chris Meck]

Teams throw on first down though now. I think you need more than just Ingram.

well let's just sign 6 pro bowl DE's then.

Jesus christ, man, you guys.

This is a process. We found some guys who could play some last year. We added a guy this year. We'll sign a vet that gives you something you count on, and you ****ing roll with it.


Damn.

You can't make every single position stocked full and two deep in elite players. It ain't Madden football.

[Shaid]

They've been playing with using Chris Jones at DE in some sets. He does seem to like rushing the passer more than defending the run.

[Chris Meck]

You guys are also SEVERLY underrating the impact that Jarran Reed is going to have next to Chris Jones.

Like SEVERLY. He's basically...another Chris Jones.

Quickest path to the QB is right there. No pocket. Crush that fucker.

Our front four is MUCH BETTER than day one 2020.

[O.city]

You guys are also SEVERLY underrating the impact that Jarran Reed is going to have next to Chris Jones.

Like SEVERLY. He's basically...another Chris Jones.

Quickest path to the QB is right there. No pocket. Crush that ****er.

Our front four is MUCH BETTER than day one 2020.

If you dont' sign or bring in more DE"s, he's not gonna be next to him inside.

No reason to freak out, no one is saying they need an all pro. They need a nice solid vet.

[RustShack]

You probably need to draft your DE early next year anyway.

Will McDonald IV

[OKchiefs]

Teams throw on first down though now. I think you need more than just Ingram.

We have Clark, Taco, Danna, Ward, the rookie. Jones and maybe even Wharton can kick out to DE, not sure how many DE they can carry or need.

[RealSNR]

If you dont' sign or bring in more DE"s, he's not gonna be next to him inside.

No reason to freak out, no one is saying they need an all pro. They need a nice solid vet.

Again... is there really a downgrade from Kpassagnon/Okafor to Taco/Danna?

I really don't see one. If Jones bumps out to end it will be in key situations or rotationally. He's still a starting DT along with Reed.

[Rausch]

We have Clark, Taco, Danna, Ward, the rookie. Jones and maybe even Wharton can kick out to DE, not sure how many DE they can carry or need.

I think we're respectable there. We're not world class like the Bucs but we're ok...

[Bob Dole]

I’ll take “Manufactured Thing to Worry About for $800”.

[Bump]

is Ryan Kerrigan getting too old now? He's had such a damn good career but the last 2 years 5.5 sacks each. But I'd take a chance on him for a good price, if we can even afford it.

[Coach]

Could possibly see the Chiefs experimenting post June 1 cuts on the cheap.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Taco was a quality pass rusher before getting hurt. Not sure if that means anything to anybody.

[duncan_idaho]

is Ryan Kerrigan getting too old now? He's had such a damn good career but the last 2 years 5.5 sacks each. But I'd take a chance on him for a good price, if we can even afford it.


He’s more of a rotational guy, plus they added Montez Sweat and Chase Young. It dropped his snap counts in 19 and 20. Don’t believe injuries were an issue.

[RealSNR]

He’s more of a rotational guy, plus they added Montez Sweat and Chase Young. It dropped his snap counts in 19 and 20. Don’t believe injuries were an issue.

Well what's the deal, Bart Vagina?!!!!! Why is this piece of shit not on the team yet?!

Dammit Carl!

[Gary Cooper]

The easiest way would be Frank Clark not sucking and coming anywhere close to earning that contract. He's still 27, even if he looks 37.

Otherwise, you're looking at next year's draft and/or free agency.

[Hoover]

Clearly DE is a position that Chiefs need to address after this season. Had they kept their first rounder this year, I thought there was a better chance at them selecting a DE at 31 than a LT.

What the Chiefs have is an opportunity for our young guys to emerge, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Let's see what we have, and with Daly, I'm confident our rookie will get a chance to show us what he's got.

A free agent DE makes a ton of sense, I'm confident that Bart isn't satisfied with what he has.

[Hoover]

and with today being the first day that FA signings don't impact the comp formula I expect to see something soon.

[RealSNR]

The easiest way would be Frank Clark not sucking and coming anywhere close to earning that contract. He's still 27, even if he looks 37.

Otherwise, you're looking at next year's draft and/or free agency.

Time for Clark to shit or get off the pot. He's got the most lethal pair of interior pass rushers in the entire NFL playing next to him. If he can't make some more plays on a consistent basis with that tandem, it's time for Veach to June 1st his ass next year.

"Who will play that position when he's gone, though?" Anybody. I don't care. Veach cut both bookend OTs of the past 5 seasons in a single 24 hour period. We seem to be doing just fine at that position.

[Willie Lanier]

One thing I learned after the pile-on I suffered in the draft forum recently is that, in lieu of the outstanding job Veach has done rebuilding the OL, we've all kind of downplayed the severity of the situation at DE.

Frank Clark is the only clearly starting DE on the roster.

If he gets hurt, which he will because he always does, our starting DEs will probably be Mike Danna and Taco Charlton, with Tim Ward and Joshua Kaindoh rotating in.

That's just not going to get it done, folks.

I'm going to lay out some options that I can foresee, let me know what you think is most likely.

I think we be fine at de,

We strong, have good grammar

That how I think we fix de

[htismaqe]

Time for Clark to shit or get off the pot. He's got the most lethal pair of interior pass rushers in the entire NFL playing next to him. If he can't make some more plays on a consistent basis with that tandem, it's time for Veach to June 1st his ass next year.

"Who will play that position when he's gone, though?" Anybody. I don't care. Veach cut both bookend OTs of the past 5 seasons in a single 24 hour period. We seem to be doing just fine at that position.

Yep.

Clark needs to step up or GTFO after this season. His contract allows them to cut bait so he needs to prove his worth.

They'll be fine.

[htismaqe]

Taco was a quality pass rusher before getting hurt. Not sure if that means anything to anybody.

It means nothing because he's ALWAYS hurt. He hasn't played more than 11 games in a season since his rookie year.

He might as well not even be on the roster at this point because he's not dependable enough to even be on the field.

[RunKC]

It means nothing because he's ALWAYS hurt. He hasn't played more than 11 games in a season since his rookie year.

He might as well not even be on the roster at this point because he's not dependable enough to even be on the field.

Broke dick huh? You won’t like Kaindoh

[htismaqe]

Broke dick huh? You won’t like Kaindoh

He was a 4th round pick. Don't really care. :D

[SuperChief]

Sleeping on Danna, dawg.

[Willie Lanier]

Seriously, dumbest grammatical thread title I've seen in a good while...

[Chargem]

I mean, we almost certainly get a vet, Ingram seems the most likely given he already visited.

You might even want to try and get him on a 2 year deal, to massage the cap and knowing you probably need a bridge next year too especially if Clark gets cut.

[oldman]

well let's just sign 6 pro bowl DE's then.

Jesus christ, man, you guys.

This is a process. We found some guys who could play some last year. We added a guy this year. We'll sign a vet that gives you something you count on, and you ****ing roll with it.


Damn.

You can't make every single position stocked full and two deep in elite players. It ain't Madden football.

I agree 100%. I trust Veach enough that if he sees that what we have isn't getting it done, he'll pull a rabbit out of his hat. Now that we have the O-line fixed, he'll find us at worst a 1 year rental and draft another next year.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I think Danna will be the starter and I’m perfectly fine with that. He’s stout against the run

[BlackOp]

Clearly DE is a position that Chiefs need to address after this season. Had they kept their first rounder this year, I thought there was a better chance at them selecting a DE at 31 than a LT.


I think they would have been aggressive in getting a DE had Fisher not been injured...they had to do what they had to do.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I think they would have been aggressive in getting a DE had Fisher not been injured...they had to do what they had to do.

They could have been aggressive in getting both. They undoubtedly have a plan for DE.

[RunKC]

I know people bring up Jones but I wonder if Wharton could be a stretch DE? Lord knows he’s got the athleticism to do it

[RealSNR]

I know people bring up Jones but I wonder if Wharton could be a stretch DE? Lord knows he’s got the athleticism to do it


Spags never met a DL rotation he didn’t like...

[poolboy]

Spags never met a DL rotation he didn’t like...

Seems like we are close if not already there...maybe they like the in -house players
Veach did say he was working on some FAs

[kcbubb]

I picked the Suggs option. Not a fan of the Ingram deal bc he’s not a fit. Compare him to kaindoh.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Seems like we are close if not already there...maybe they like the in -house players
Veach did say he was working on some FAs

It was later clarified that he was talking about UDFA

[CoMoChief]

After Houston decided not to show up in the playoffs, it pretty much made up my mind that I don't want him ever wearing a Chiefs jersey again.

He had a couple really good seasons, 1 of those a REALLY good season.

Then he got paid and started getting injured and then became less and less productive.

I mean thats usually the way it works right lol ?

[UChieffyBugger]

After Houston decided not to show up in the playoffs, it pretty much made up my mind that I don't want him ever wearing a Chiefs jersey again.

He had a couple really good seasons, 1 of those a REALLY good season.

Then he got paid and started getting injured and then became less and less productive.

I mean thats usually the way it works right lol ?

Zzzzzz are people still spouting this bs about Houston?? "Decided not to show up"??? Smh!!...hows about the Pats having a top level line? Too many folks are just deluded when it comes to certain players...he's got 19 sacks in two seasons since he left KC...if that ain't enough to tell you what he could add to this team then I can't help you.

[Easy 6]

While I'd prefer to add Ingram or Kerrigan, it doesn't seem like it'd be the end of the world if we just platooned whoever they keep out of Charlton, Danna, Kaindoh and Ward

Reed is going to be a terror next to Jonesy, so that should help cover the lack of star power at DE

[RealSNR]

While I'd prefer to add Ingram or Kerrigan, it doesn't seem like it'd be the end of the world if we just platooned whoever they keep out of Charlton, Danna, Kaindoh and Ward

Reed is going to be a terror next to Jonesy, so that should help cover the lack of star power at DE

Actually, I think we would be best served by having a DE who is strong against the run instead of a guy who can get after the QB. I mean, obviously we don't want him to be a wet blanket on passing downs, but with Jones and Reed in the middle, I don't exactly like the idea of putting Ingram at end and then watching RBs stack up 200+ yards against us.

Sort of like an Alex Okafor who's not made of glass. That would be nice. I don't think that kind of guy is available in free agency at the moment right now, I'm just saying what I'd like to see in an ideal world.

[Dunerdr]

Actually, I think we would be best served by having a DE who is strong against the run instead of a guy who can get after the QB. I mean, obviously we don't want him to be a wet blanket on passing downs, but with Jones and Reed in the middle, I don't exactly like the idea of putting Ingram at end and then watching RBs stack up 200+ yards against us.

Sort of like an Alex Okafor who's not made of glass. That would be nice. I don't think that kind of guy is available in free agency at the moment right now, I'm just saying what I'd like to see in an ideal world.

It did appear that, that was the plan previously. Danna may be that run plugger with a year in the gym and system. Then rotate Charlton in on 3rd and long.

Plot twist: Kaindoh is only here to be the Clark replacement, Okafors replacement is already on the roster, and they re did his deal last year after seeing Danna in training camp.

[Easy 6]

Actually, I think we would be best served by having a DE who is strong against the run instead of a guy who can get after the QB. I mean, obviously we don't want him to be a wet blanket on passing downs, but with Jones and Reed in the middle, I don't exactly like the idea of putting Ingram at end and then watching RBs stack up 200+ yards against us.

Sort of like an Alex Okafor who's not made of glass. That would be nice. I don't think that kind of guy is available in free agency at the moment right now, I'm just saying what I'd like to see in an ideal world.

Fair point, we don't wanna be soft vs the run on the ends

But it also seems like a good idea, if possible, to hedge against Clarks diminishing returns

Last season was his fewest sacks since his rookie year... so if he keeps fading in 2021, we're left with little pass rush pop at either end

[TRR]

It did appear that, that was the plan previously. Danna may be that run plugger with a year in the gym and system. Then rotate Charlton in on 3rd and long.

Plot twist: Kaindoh is only here to be the Clark replacement, Okafors replacement is already on the roster, and they re did his deal last year after seeing Danna in training camp.

I’m wondering if Jones doesn’t get some run at DE this year. With Reed, Nnadi, and Saunders rotating at DT.

[Bob Dole]

Actually, I think we would be best served by having a DE who is strong against the run instead of a guy who can get after the QB. I mean, obviously we don't want him to be a wet blanket on passing downs, but with Jones and Reed in the middle, I don't exactly like the idea of putting Ingram at end and then watching RBs stack up 200+ yards against us.

Sort of like an Alex Okafor who's not made of glass. That would be nice. I don't think that kind of guy is available in free agency at the moment right now, I'm just saying what I'd like to see in an ideal world.

Why? We were 23rd in rushing attempts against us.

[Dunerdr]

I’m wondering if Jones doesn’t get some run at DE this year. With Reed, Nnadi, and Saunders rotating at DT.

People keep bringing that up but from what i remember he wasnt that good there against the titans when he had to play.

[Easy 6]

People keep bringing that up but from what i remember he wasnt that good there against the titans when he had to play.

Seems kinda gimmicky and not to be relied upon, honestly

I mean, maybe here and there in select circumstances... but the fact is he's simply not a natural DE