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kcbubb
05-21-2021, 04:59 PM
Who do you like, if any?

Nickhead
05-21-2021, 05:01 PM
DAT for punt return insurance? ROFL

Kiimo
05-21-2021, 05:02 PM
I like the whole list. To wipe with

Bowser
05-21-2021, 05:08 PM
I remember when I thought Marquise Lee was going to be a force at WR, lol

Rainbarrel
05-21-2021, 05:15 PM
Who do you like if any?

Jon Gruden rd 1
Bill Calahand
Norv Turner
Art Shell
Lane Muffin
Tom Cable
Hue Jackson
Dennis Allen
Tony Saprano
Jack Del Rio
Jon Gruden rd 2

smithandrew051
05-21-2021, 05:15 PM
I’m ready to go as soon as I get that call

kcbubb
05-21-2021, 05:17 PM
Cardinals just signed Antoine Wesley..

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
05-21-2021, 05:23 PM
I recognized about five names on those two lists. NOT a good sign.

Deberg_1990
05-21-2021, 05:28 PM
Larry Fitzgerald could really keep this offense humming

DaneMcCloud
05-21-2021, 05:35 PM
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kccrow
05-21-2021, 06:00 PM
Sure.

Chad Hansen as a guy to bring into camp and see if he can stick.

Jordan Matthews could be a functional #2.

Other than that, pretty much none.

Bump
05-21-2021, 06:06 PM
bring in Fitz! fuck it. At worst he's as productive at his age as Sammy Watkins was.

Easy 6
05-21-2021, 06:24 PM
Off that list only Jeffery is intriguing as a possession/red zone threat... he could give us what what Julio fans basically want for far less money

But it would be a strange fit, thats just the Madden in me talking

Unless some Veach cult favorite happens to pop loose in camp cuts, my gut says we're looking at maxing out whats already in-house at receiver this year

They're gonna count on some of these long term grooming projects like Hardman and Pringle to step up IMO, as well as projecting new faces like Powell and Gray to sizzle sooner rather than later... along with the ground up rebuild of this O line into a pack of Bigfoots, I believe its enough to run it right on back again

Why Not?
05-21-2021, 06:35 PM
Sure.

Chad Hansen as a guy to bring into camp and see if he can stick.

Jordan Matthews could be a functional #2.

Other than that, pretty much none.

I think you may be overvaluing Jordan Matthews. He’s more of a “3 you can live with” than a functional 2.

kccrow
05-21-2021, 07:43 PM
I think you may be overvaluing Jordan Matthews. He’s more of a “3 you can live with” than a functional 2.

I don't think so. His best statistical year from a YPC and TD perspective was his rookie year in PHI when he had Maclin as the #1. He was still productive in 2015 and 2016 as the #1 but not as explosive. 2017 was a down year from a fractured thumb.

After that, I really don't know the entirety of what caused his complete disappearance as a solid starting WR other than he was completely misused in 2018 by Doug Peterson in an effort to recreate the Chiefs' speed-oriented offense then went bouncing between SF and PHI to not play.

He's been solid in the past and has shown he can play. I'd consider him a much better option than Demarcus Robinson or Byron Pringle at any point in their respective careers and that's our hope at the #2 right now unless a 5th round rookie magically makes a name for himself. Even if he is somewhere between a 2 and a 3 you can live with, that's probably a lot better than what we have.

kccrow
05-21-2021, 07:46 PM
bring in Fitz! fuck it. At worst he's as productive at his age as Sammy Watkins was.

Yes... let's bring in a receiver that is set to be 38 when the season starts and whose wheels fell off 4 years ago. Makes complete sense.

SAGA45
05-21-2021, 07:48 PM
Mecole Hardman's name would shine bright AF against that list. Either acquire Julio or roll with who we have.

RealSNR
05-21-2021, 07:53 PM
Heh. I once drafted Emanuel Hall in the CP mock draft. Let's bring him aboard!

Bump
05-21-2021, 07:59 PM
Yes... let's bring in a receiver that is set to be 38 when the season starts and whose wheels fell off 4 years ago. Makes complete sense.

yup, fuck it. I've always been a fan of his.

kcbubb
05-21-2021, 08:18 PM
I don't think so. His best statistical year from a YPC and TD perspective was his rookie year in PHI when he had Maclin as the #1. He was still productive in 2015 and 2016 as the #1 but not as explosive. 2017 was a down year from a fractured thumb.

After that, I really don't know the entirety of what caused his complete disappearance as a solid starting WR other than he was completely misused in 2018 by Doug Peterson in an effort to recreate the Chiefs' speed-oriented offense then went bouncing between SF and PHI to not play.

He's been solid in the past and has shown he can play. I'd consider him a much better option than Demarcus Robinson or Byron Pringle at any point in their respective careers and that's our hope at the #2 right now unless a 5th round rookie magically makes a name for himself. Even if he is somewhere between a 2 and a 3 you can live with, that's probably a lot better than what we have.

I’m a Vandy fan, so I love Jordan Matthews. He’s a great person and would be a great addition at the right price. He’s only 28 years old. He also provides a bigger body at 6’3” and 215 lbs. I’m not sure he’s a fit for Andy but I like him.

Titty Meat
05-21-2021, 08:20 PM
None. We have more than enough weapons and good complementary pieces.

Coochie liquor
05-21-2021, 08:20 PM
Who do you like if any?

Jon Gruden rd 1
Bill Calahand
Norv Turner
Art Shell
Lane Muffin
Tom Cable
Hue Jackson
Dennis Allen
Tony Saprano
Jack Del Rio
Jon Gruden rd 2

Who do you like if any?

Teddy Bridgewater
Drew Lock
Joe Flacco
Case Keenum
Paxton Lynch
Trevor Siemen
Brock Osweiler

Why Not?
05-21-2021, 08:23 PM
I don't think so. His best statistical year from a YPC and TD perspective was his rookie year in PHI when he had Maclin as the #1. He was still productive in 2015 and 2016 as the #1 but not as explosive. 2017 was a down year from a fractured thumb.

After that, I really don't know the entirety of what caused his complete disappearance as a solid starting WR other than he was completely misused in 2018 by Doug Peterson in an effort to recreate the Chiefs' speed-oriented offense then went bouncing between SF and PHI to not play.

He's been solid in the past and has shown he can play. I'd consider him a much better option than Demarcus Robinson or Byron Pringle at any point in their respective careers and that's our hope at the #2 right now unless a 5th round rookie magically makes a name for himself. Even if he is somewhere between a 2 and a 3 you can live with, that's probably a lot better than what we have.


Perhaps. He’d certainly be a between a 2-3 I could live with so maybe we’ll see what he’s got left.

Coochie liquor
05-21-2021, 08:27 PM
I’d like to grab one more as a change of pace, depth guy. Westbrook would be close to top of my list of what’s available. I think Hardman takes a step this year, and man I just have a good vibe about Powell. I think he’s gonna make an impact this year. And I think more screens are coming back and CEH is gonna make a difference. Or maybe I’m just drunk and homering out. But I just think we have another magical season ahead of us.

DaneMcCloud
05-21-2021, 08:29 PM
Jordan Matthews turns 29 in July.

Since the end of the 2016 season, he's had 585 yards and 3 TD's.

I don't think he would even be on the Chiefs radar with those numbers.

LoneWolf
05-21-2021, 08:47 PM
Chiefs are fine at receiver. Hardman, Pringle, Caldwell, Robinson, and Powell are enough to pair with Hill and Kelce. With this line, the KC offense is going to destroy defenses.

Titty Meat
05-21-2021, 09:21 PM
Jordan Matthews turns 29 in July.

Since the end of the 2016 season, he's had 585 yards and 3 TD's.

I don't think he would even be on the Chiefs radar with those numbers.

It would be incredibly stupid to take snaps away from Hardman, Pringle and maybe even the Clemson kid for some broke dick. Inpatientplanet is striking again.

JakeF
05-21-2021, 09:44 PM
Kenny Stills used to be pretty good, what happened?

In58men
05-21-2021, 10:03 PM
I really wanted Trent Taylor. Sucks Bengals snagged him.

kccrow
05-22-2021, 12:07 AM
It would be incredibly stupid to take snaps away from Hardman, Pringle and maybe even the Clemson kid for some broke dick. Inpatientplanet is striking again.

Why do you care about taking snaps away from Pringle who has proven absolutely shit in this league and is the same age as Matthews?

Why do you think a 5th round rookie WR is going to make a substantial impact in year one in this offense?

Given questions 1 and 2 above, why is it a bad idea at all then to add Matthews who is a vet min, one-year rental at worst and adds some veteran depth that has proven ability in the league?

People here want Larry fucking Fitzgerald who hasn't posted good numbers in 3 years and is 38 years old. That's a far worse alternative.

I'm not sitting here pounding the table for Matthews, but he does present a much cheaper vet option to trading for Julio while giving you space to still add to the pass rush.

Titty Meat
05-22-2021, 12:38 AM
Why do you care about taking snaps away from Pringle who has proven absolutely shit in this league and is the same age as Matthews?

Why do you think a 5th round rookie WR is going to make a substantial impact in year one in this offense?

Given questions 1 and 2 above, why is it a bad idea at all then to add Matthews who is a vet min, one-year rental at worst and adds some veteran depth that has proven ability in the league?

People here want Larry ****ing Fitzgerald who hasn't posted good numbers in 3 years and is 38 years old. That's a far worse alternative.

I'm not sitting here pounding the table for Matthews, but he does present a much cheaper vet option to trading for Julio while giving you space to still add to the pass rush.

Pringle can be a decent 4-5 option and can do more than a broke dick like Matthews. A 5th rounder isnt going to do shit on the bench. As Dane pointed out Matthews hasnt done anything in years hes DONE. We already have plenty of veteran depth Hill, Robinson, Hardman, Pringle already have some years in this league. Dont think the last 2 are done developing .

Titty Meat
05-22-2021, 12:40 AM
Also you guys are fooling yourselves if you dont think Hardman wont get plenty of snaps this year. Its probably sink or swim this year we didnt take him in the 2nd to be a gadget player. He has shown some promise dont think the COVID year did him or alot of guys any favors.

O.city
05-22-2021, 08:36 AM
I agree with Billay

You beefed up the OL pretty epically, now you can let your qb have more time

Dunerdr
05-22-2021, 09:47 AM
I remember when I thought Marquise Lee was going to be a force at WR, lol

Same, can’t hit them all lol.


I’ll take fountain from this list! Mostly because he’s already signed and gives me a chance at saying told you so.

Kiimo
05-22-2021, 10:02 AM
Why do you care about taking snaps away from Pringle who has proven absolutely shit in this league and is the same age as Matthews?

Why do you think a 5th round rookie WR is going to make a substantial impact in year one in this offense?

Given questions 1 and 2 above, why is it a bad idea at all then to add Matthews who is a vet min, one-year rental at worst and adds some veteran depth that has proven ability in the league?

People here want Larry ****ing Fitzgerald who hasn't posted good numbers in 3 years and is 38 years old. That's a far worse alternative.

I'm not sitting here pounding the table for Matthews, but he does present a much cheaper vet option to trading for Julio while giving you space to still add to the pass rush.



I don't know what Powell can do in his first year but I do know what Jordan Matthew, a guy I forgot ever played in the NFL, can do. Not much.

CoMoChief
05-22-2021, 10:12 AM
I like Bolton, and understand KC needs a LB, but they probably should have drafted WR WR Marshall with Chiefs 1st selection in 2nd rd and looked for LB later. JMO

Kiimo
05-22-2021, 11:31 AM
I would agree...unless of course Marshall has medical issues that the Chiefs are uncomfortable with.


Lo and behold he does



Also you could consider that the Chiefs got the #3 LB in the draft instead of the #6 WR in the draft and LB was a bigger position of need than WR.

Veach had an excellent draft.

BossChief
05-22-2021, 11:50 AM
I like Bolton, and understand KC needs a LB, but they probably should have drafted WR WR Marshall with Chiefs 1st selection in 2nd rd and looked for LB later. JMO

In the press conference after the pick, he seems to talk about Marshall’s medical as a reason them going in a different direction.

He doesn’t name him specifically, but he might as well have.

Kiimo
05-22-2021, 12:03 PM
It's clear that Bolton was a higher tier than Marshall.

That's Veach's system, like it or hate it. I think it keeps talented players coming in.

mkp785
05-22-2021, 12:22 PM
Laurence Darnell Fitzgerald Jr.

Please and thank you.

Wilson8
05-22-2021, 01:27 PM
Laurence Darnell Fitzgerald Jr.
Please and thank you.

I too wanted the Chiefs to sign Larry Fitzgerald at one time...


My list of Pros and Cons for the Chiefs signing Larry Fitzgerald. You decide which is which.

1. Larry Fitzgerald is old for an NFL WR at 38 years old when the 2021 NFL games begin.

2. Larry played in 13 games and had 54 catches for 409 yards and 1 TD last year.

3. Larry won't play special teams. He has played 20 total snaps on special teams in the last 9 seasons.

4. Larry can't decide on continuing to play NFL football. He is still thinking about it or no NFL team wants him.

5. Larry is a nice person. Larry has received many awards for his philanthropy.

6. Larry is rich and he does not need to play football anymore. His NFL earnings have been over $182M.

7. Larry could teach and help younger players but he would also take one of the 53 positions. Some young player would be cut if Larry is on the team.

8. Larry wants to get paid. Larry came into the league in 2004. The NFL minimum for 10+ years for 2021 is $1.075M. Larry can be an NFL analyst and make more money than that. Larry has earned over $182M from just NFL contracts plus he has had commercial endorsements, but his net worth is a reported $50M. Larry spends money, so he also needs/wants to continue to earn money.


I have made up my mind that the Chiefs would be better off without Larry.

mkp785
05-22-2021, 01:43 PM
I too wanted the Chiefs to sign Larry Fitzgerald at one time...


My list of Pros and Cons for the Chiefs signing Larry Fitzgerald. You decide which is which.

1. Larry Fitzgerald is old for an NFL WR at 38 years old when the 2021 NFL games begin.

True. But as Brady has proven, age isn't as important. Larry takes care of himself-just like Brady

2. Larry played in 13 games and had 54 catches for 409 yards and 1 TD last year.

Also true. What you didn't mention is that those 3 games has equaled the amount of games he missed COMBINED in the previous 16 years. He's a iron man in the truest sense.

3. Larry won't play special teams. He has played 20 total snaps on special teams in the last 9 seasons.

Ok.....

4. Larry can't decide on continuing to play NFL football. He is still thinking about it or no NFL team wants him.

This is based on him wanting to come back and get that ring before he retires.

5. Larry is a nice person. Larry has received many awards for his philanthropy.

True. :clap:

6. Larry is rich and he does not need to play football anymore. His NFL earnings have been over $182M.

Also true. Which means that he'd have no problem signing for the league minimum.

7. Larry could teach and help younger players but he would also take one of the 53 positions. Some young player would be cut if Larry is on the team.

You don't know who would get cut but you do know that Larry would help our young WRs preform better. He's 1 of the most respected players in the league. He'd be a huge bonus to the locker room.

8. Larry wants to get paid. Larry came into the league in 2004. The NFL minimum for 10+ years for 2021 is $1.075M. Larry can be an NFL analyst and make more money than that. Larry has earned over $182M from just NFL contracts plus he has had commercial endorsements, but his net worth is a reported $50M. Larry spends money, so he also needs/wants to continue to earn money.

I don't buy this at all. Larry has never seemed like he blows his money. Also, you act like 50M is nothing lol.


I have made up my mind that the Chiefs would be better off without Larry.

Sign Larry.

Chris Meck
05-22-2021, 01:46 PM
#3 receiving option is a good place for us to develop young talent, in my opinion. You can't keep signing aging expensive vets everywhere. To groom young talent, they have to actually play.

A #2 WR in KC is actually a #3. That's a perfectly reasonable spot to see if Callaway, Hardman, or Powell can blossom.

If you're just going to sign big names in free agency everywhere, you never develop talent. You have to have a blend.

Chris Meck
05-22-2021, 01:46 PM
Sign Larry.

He's 974 years old, dude.

Develop some young talent instead.

mkp785
05-22-2021, 01:52 PM
#3 receiving option is a good place for us to develop young talent, in my opinion. You can't keep signing aging expensive vets everywhere. To groom young talent, they have to actually play.

A #2 WR in KC is actually a #3. That's a perfectly reasonable spot to see if Callaway, Hardman, or Powell can blossom.

If you're just going to sign big names in free agency everywhere, you never develop talent. You have to have a blend.

I really like Hardman handling all of our return stuff. He's awesome there. Callaway and Powell could learn a shit ton from Larry. I only want him as a minimum player, if he thinks he's getting a big check he can keep thinking. He's sure handed also. You think he drops those passes in the Super Bowl?

Easy 6
05-22-2021, 02:08 PM
He's 974 years old, dude.

Develop some young talent instead.

What about Chris Carter, or maybe Terrell Owens?

I bet they could still get it done!!1

kccrow
05-22-2021, 02:10 PM
Also you guys are fooling yourselves if you dont think Hardman wont get plenty of snaps this year. Its probably sink or swim this year we didnt take him in the 2nd to be a gadget player. He has shown some promise dont think the COVID year did him or alot of guys any favors.

This I agree with.

#3 receiving option is a good place for us to develop young talent, in my opinion. You can't keep signing aging expensive vets everywhere. To groom young talent, they have to actually play.

A #2 WR in KC is actually a #3. That's a perfectly reasonable spot to see if Callaway, Hardman, or Powell can blossom.

If you're just going to sign big names in free agency everywhere, you never develop talent. You have to have a blend.

If Callaway has pulled the head out of his ass from a maturity standpoint, he's the absolute darkhorse to be the #2.

I don't know what Powell can do in his first year but I do know what Jordan Matthew, a guy I forgot ever played in the NFL, can do. Not much.

Re Matthews, untrue.

kccrow
05-22-2021, 02:12 PM
I really like Hardman handling all of our return stuff. He's awesome there. Callaway and Powell could learn a shit ton from Larry. I only want him as a minimum player, if he thinks he's getting a big check he can keep thinking. He's sure handed also. You think he drops those passes in the Super Bowl?

Hardman on returns? I don't know you'll have many in agreement there.

Pringle is a different story, imo.

DaneMcCloud
05-22-2021, 02:49 PM
Re Matthews, untrue.

I don't understand your POV on Matthews at all.

Since the end of the 2016 season, the guy has accumulated 580 yards and 3 TD's and he's nearly 29 years old.

To say he's better than Demarcus Robinson makes no sense to me whatsoever.

He's more like Pringle at this point than a #3, let alone, a #2.

kccrow
05-22-2021, 03:15 PM
I don't understand your POV on Matthews at all.

Since the end of the 2016 season, the guy has accumulated 580 yards and 3 TD's and he's nearly 29 years old.

To say he's better than Demarcus Robinson makes no sense to me whatsoever.

He's more like Pringle at this point than a #3, let alone, a #2.

Because I'm not using selective statistics to support my POV.

He was in the top 40, 20, and 30 receivers in the NFL in 2014-2016 and while his role was changed/decreased, still put up solid stats within that role for the next 2 seasons. Had it not been for a thumb injury that plagued his year in Buffalo in 2017, he probably would have been in that range again.

Robinson has never been on that level and probably never will be.

What's worse, is you guys act like he'll be more than a vet min type at this point. I'm not saying to go out and sign him to some big contract. The argument is he's worth taking a shot on given his history for a very modest deal and if he's shit then dump him. He at least has produced at a level where the reward could far outweigh any risk involved and he's the only receiver available at this point you could say that about. And to be honest, I don't really care one way or another, its a suggestion based on the lists.

DaneMcCloud
05-22-2021, 03:22 PM
Because I'm not using selective statistics to support my POV.

Selective? The guy has 580 yards and 3 TD's covering 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020.

That's NOT selective in the least.

He was in the top 40, 20, and 30 receivers in the NFL in 2014-2016 and while his role was changed/decreased, still put up solid stats within that role for the next 2 seasons. Had it not been for a thumb injury that plagued his year in Buffalo in 2017, he probably would have been in that range again.

Because he sucked.

Robinson has never been on that level and probably never will be.

Robinson has been consistently available, which is why he's accumulated 1,415 yards and 11 TD's in that same exact time span.



What's worse, is you guys act like he'll be more than a vet min type at this point. I'm not saying to go out and sign him to some big contract. The argument is he's worth taking a shot on given his history for a very modest deal and if he's shit then dump him. He at least has produced at a level where the reward could far outweigh any risk involved and he's the only receiver available at this point you could say that about. And to be honest, I don't really care one way or another, its a suggestion based on the lists.

No, what's worse is that you become fixated on players and go the ends of the earth to defend your opinions, despite hard evidence to the contrary.

At this point in his career, Jordan Matthews is not even a JAG, he's a Had Been.

kccrow
05-22-2021, 03:47 PM
Selective? The guy has 580 yards and 3 TD's covering 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020.

That's NOT selective in the least.



Because he sucked.



Robinson has been consistently available, which is why he's accumulated 1,415 yards and 11 TD's in that same exact time span.




No, what's worse is that you become fixated on players and go the ends of the earth to defend your opinions, despite hard evidence to the contrary.

At this point in his career, Jordan Matthews is not even a JAG, he's a Had Been.

2017 - Injury that hurt him and his career trajectory
2018-2020 Yes JAG blah, not arguing it.

Robinson - Sucks. Couldn't be more productive despite spoonfed opportunities to step up and be more than JAG playing in Brokedick Watkins' place. Any argument you want to make about Robinson is moot.

The only argument I've made to support Matthews is that he's been productive in the past, far more so than any option out there or on this roster, and might be worth taking a shot on for a vet min contract.

I've also said I want a pass rusher over a wide receiver many times, and thus the reason I support a pickup on a shot in the dark like Matthews than trading for Julio fucking Jones, thus blowing high draft capital and tying up significant cap resources. Not to mention I've said a couple times that I don't especially care if it's Matthews or not. And in as much, also support the notion that Callaway might end up being the best option to take the X spot while all of these other turds end up 4th, 5th and 6th receivers.

But do be a douchebag about it to me because you don't like Matthews and feel like he's washed up. Kind of retarded, check that it is retarded, if you look at what I said about the situation.

Wilson8
05-22-2021, 09:14 PM
kccrow,

I can appreciate you bringing up WR Jordan Matthews from Vanderbilt. Doing what he did in the SEC, 262 catches, 3,759 yards, and 24 TDs, he looked like a certain NFL star.

As you said he had 3 good years in the NFL with catches, yards, and TDs. His trade to Buffalo and injuries derailed his career, but you always wonder if a player like that, when healthy, could help the right team.

His story helps to illustrate how hard it is to have a long successful career in the NFL.

oldman
05-22-2021, 10:09 PM
This is the same topic we have every year. Bottom line is that we never seem to develop young talent (exception Hill and he is exceptional) at WR. As I look at the current 90 man squad, I see 14 WRs --14!! We know Hill and Hardman are locks with Powell and Pringle as probables. That leaves only 2 roster spots likely open. So we have 8 guys that we'd throw away to pick up someone else's throwaway? Spend the time to develop the #3-6 guys and call it a day.

kccrow
05-23-2021, 03:40 AM
This is the same topic we have every year. Bottom line is that we never seem to develop young talent (exception Hill and he is exceptional) at WR. As I look at the current 90 man squad, I see 14 WRs --14!! We know Hill and Hardman are locks with Powell and Pringle as probables. That leaves only 2 roster spots likely open. So we have 8 guys that we'd throw away to pick up someone else's throwaway? Spend the time to develop the #3-6 guys and call it a day.

We're kind of developing someone elses throwaways regardless.

I'd consider Hill, Robinson, Hardman, and Powell as locks. Not that I particularly like Robinson and don't think him very good, he's still better than what else we have until proven otherwise.
I have Pringle in unless someone else shows more promise on both special teams and as a WR that's younger and could still play outside if something happens with Robinson.
That kind of leaves Callaway and Fountain probably battling it out for the other spot.

If you look at the rest, Ffrench might stick on the PS again and the loser of Callaway/Fountain, unless Callaway just flat screws himself out of the league. Callaway is a darkhorse candidate to pry the #2 job away as well but it really just comes down to whether or not he's showing up to meetings and following the rules.

Other than that, Williams, Finke, Dieter, Kemp, and Forston aren't much and it's probably high time the Chiefs dump Dieter and Kemp. Schoen is a dark horse for the PS maybe with his hands and solid build to be a backup outside.

Point is, there's a spot or two to take on someone else's shit if the hand-me-downs we have aren't up to snuff.

O.city
05-23-2021, 07:49 AM
They need someone cheap to develop. We’re about time to start devoting money elsewhere so need some cheap young wrs

duncan_idaho
05-23-2021, 08:28 AM
I’m excited by the potential Callaway and Powell offer. Want to see them get snaps and can’t wait for training camp/preseason to see them.

Hell no to Larry Fitzgerald. Dude is old AF and has nothing in the tank.

Kiimo
05-23-2021, 11:47 AM
I really like Hardman handling all of our return stuff. He's awesome there.

what (https://imgur.com/2JJEKM7)

oldman
05-23-2021, 12:09 PM
We're kind of developing someone elses throwaways regardless.
Point is, there's a spot or two to take on someone else's shit if the hand-me-downs we have aren't up to snuff.

You just made my point, we're always trying to develop some other team's throwaways. It's the same crap every year and we still wind up keeping the Dieters and Kemps. Either develop those guys or make a final cut. You can churn the bottom of your roster with UDFAs and 6th round picks rather than throw money, even a vet min, at a guy that's had his chance or at a 30-someting hs been. You don't know what they have until YOU play who you already have.

Wilson8
05-23-2021, 03:31 PM
You just made my point, we're always trying to develop some other team's throwaways. It's the same crap every year and we still wind up keeping the Dieters and Kemps. Either develop those guys or make a final cut. You can churn the bottom of your roster with UDFAs and 6th round picks rather than throw money, even a vet min, at a guy that's had his chance or at a 30-someting hs been. You don't know what they have until YOU play who you already have.

Some info on Chiefs WRs that might help. (but maybe not since you have made up your mind)

The Chiefs have drafted and developed WRs
2021, 5 (181) WR Cornell Powell, Clemson
2019, 2 (56) WR Mecole Hardman, Georgia 2019 - 2021
2017, 4 (139) WR Jehu Chesson, Michigan 2017 - Spent some time with Washington and Jets and now out of NFL.
2016, 4 (126) WR Demarcus Robinson, Florida 2016 - 2021
2016, 5 (165) WR Tyreek Hill, West Alabama/Oklahoma State 2016 - 2021
2015, 3 (76) WR Chris Conley, Georgia 2015 – 2018 Signed by Jaguars. Now with Texans.
2015, 7 (233) WR Da’Ron Brown, Northern Illinois - Lasted a year with KC and then split some time with 4 other NFL teams
2014, 4 (124) WR De’Anthony Thomas, Oregon 2014 – 2019. Finished 2019 with Ravens then out of NFL.

Andy inherited Dwayne Bowe, Dexter McCluster, and Junior Hemingway when he took over the team. They traded Jonathan Baldwin for A.J. Jenkins which were both bad WRs.

UDFAs
Albert Wilson UDFA 2014 – 2017 Georgia State. 4 years for a UDFA is good. Albert was signed as a free agent by Miami Dolphins in 2018 for 3 year $24M.
Byron Pringle UDFA 2019 - 2021
Marcus Kemp UDFA 2017-2018, 2020-2021
Frankie Hammond UDFA 2014 -2015. Had 1 attempt at NFL with Jets in 2017
Gehrig Dieter UDFA 2018 – 2021 - Has certainly been given time on Chiefs.

Notable Free Agent signings
Sammy Watkins - 2019 -2020
Jeremy Maclin - 2015 - 2016

Other Free Agents
Kelvin Benjamin 2018
Jason Avant 2014 - 2015
Donnie Avery 2013 - 2014

Every preseason they have several WRs that they look at and try to evaluate.
In 2021 - Maurice Ffrench, Jody Fortson, Antonio Callaway, Daurice Fountain, Chad Williams, Dalton Schoen, and Chris Finke.
In 2020 - Jody Fortson, Kalija Lipscomb, Cody White, Justice Shelton-Mosley, Andre Baccellia, and Aleva Hifo
In 2019 - Rashard Davis, Davon Grayson, Jamal Custis, Cody Thompson, and Felton Davis.

If they evaluate well, Antonio Callaway or Daurice Fountain might join the 53 man team this year.

You can always hope that a star WR will be found and developed, but the Chiefs haven't taken on other teams throwaways.

Kemp has hung around as a special teams player. Dieter has friends.

Chris Meck
05-23-2021, 04:28 PM
I think everyone needs to quit worrying about the #3 receiver position.

We have 3 young players that need to play to see what we have there.

And yes, the 'X' position is the #3 receiver in this offense. The revamped offensive line, along with CEH having a full offseason to get fully integrated, Hardman in year 3 with a full offseason, Powell, and Callaway are all players with potential to add to this offense. Signing a declining vet just doesn't make sense. We need to see what the kids can do.

We still could really use a vet DE, perhaps some insurance at CB, but I don't see the 'X' as a dire need at the moment. We literally have the guys we rolled with most of last season while putting up about 30 points per game with a Mash unit up front, with young guys who should be better as they're learning.

oldman
05-23-2021, 10:48 PM
Wilson, you still don't get my point. Why chase a marginal or old FA WR from another team when we have 10 guys vying for 2 slots? I'm counting Hill, Hardman, Powell, and Pringle as 4 of the 6 WRs that will be on the game 1 roster. Surely 2 of those 10 are as good as the ones posted in the OP. How long have we messed around with Kemp and Dieter, yet they still seem to be in the mix every year. Either play them or cut them.

Wilson8
05-24-2021, 01:23 AM
I think you make some good points.

Why chase a marginal or old FA WR from another team when we have 10 guys vying for 2 slots? I'm counting Hill, Hardman, Powell, and Pringle as 4 of the 6 WRs that will be on the game 1 roster. Surely 2 of those 10 are as good as the ones posted in the OP.

As a fan, it is fun to look at free agent players and try and imagine if they could help the team. I agree with your analysis and probably they would not.

The Chiefs really haven't signed many free agent WRs over the Andy Reid era, so probably not going to happen now.


How long have we messed around with Kemp and Dieter, yet they still seem to be in the mix every year. Either play them or cut them.

The Chiefs have liked Kemp for special teams. His preseason knee injury really set him back. This year might be the end of the line for him.

We joke about Dieter and his friendships, but he must be a good practice player and the Chiefs coaches like what they see.

Pitt Gorilla
05-24-2021, 03:41 PM
After signing Fountain, we're probably good vis-a-vis developmental guys, which is what you should probably have at that position on the roster.

O.city
05-25-2021, 08:37 AM
I think everyone needs to quit worrying about the #3 receiver position.

We have 3 young players that need to play to see what we have there.

And yes, the 'X' position is the #3 receiver in this offense. The revamped offensive line, along with CEH having a full offseason to get fully integrated, Hardman in year 3 with a full offseason, Powell, and Callaway are all players with potential to add to this offense. Signing a declining vet just doesn't make sense. We need to see what the kids can do.

We still could really use a vet DE, perhaps some insurance at CB, but I don't see the 'X' as a dire need at the moment. We literally have the guys we rolled with most of last season while putting up about 30 points per game with a Mash unit up front, with young guys who should be better as they're learning.

Tyreek is the X now. They need a better Z on the front side to do the dirty work in the short and intermediate areas.

kccrow
05-25-2021, 04:46 PM
Tyreek is the X now. They need a better Z on the front side to do the dirty work in the short and intermediate areas.

Reek plays the Z, primarily. It allows them to flex him more

pugsnotdrugs19
05-25-2021, 09:53 PM
Tyreek is the X now. They need a better Z on the front side to do the dirty work in the short and intermediate areas.

Reek plays the Z, primarily. It allows them to flex him more

Yeah, the X is locked onto the LOS. Can’t go in motion. That’s not gonna be Reek or Hardman.

Chris Meck
05-26-2021, 08:17 AM
Tyreek is the X now. They need a better Z on the front side to do the dirty work in the short and intermediate areas.

You're not understanding the roles.

Red Beans
05-26-2021, 08:31 AM
You're not understanding the roles.

This is true. He's a bread man. Rolls are more his speed.

Dunerdr
05-26-2021, 08:41 AM
Did we sign a piece of shit yet?

LoneWolf
05-26-2021, 09:02 AM
Just close this thread. KC is more than fine at WR.

jerryaldini
05-27-2021, 11:29 AM
Sat at the table next to Bart Veach and family at Johnny's Tavern in Lee's Summit last night. He was in full chiefs gear. Got the inside scoop from our waitress who was also Burt's waitress. Wide receiver help is on the way!

kcbubb
06-04-2021, 05:14 PM
Just watched the Larry Fitzgerald football life and I’d be excited to get him. He would be like Chris Paul for the suns. The culture would be better.

kccrow
06-04-2021, 05:34 PM
Sat at the table next to Bart Veach and family at Johnny's Tavern in Lee's Summit last night. He was in full chiefs gear. Got the inside scoop from our waitress who was also Burt's waitress. Wide receiver help is on the way!

Sure you weren't confusing her saying she'll be spreading them wide and receiving Veach shortly?

DaneMcCloud
06-04-2021, 06:30 PM
Just watched the Larry Fitzgerald football life and I’d be excited to get him. He would be like Chris Paul for the suns. The culture would be better.

Yeah, the Chiefs, who have been in the AFC Championship each of the last three season, along with two Super Bowl appearances and one Super Bowl victory, really need to improve their culture.

Kiimo
06-04-2021, 06:33 PM
Just watched the Larry Fitzgerald football life and I’d be excited to get him. He would be like Chris Paul for the suns. The culture would be better.

TrueFan Nonsense

kcbubb
06-04-2021, 08:17 PM
Yeah, the Chiefs, who have been in the AFC Championship each of the last three season, along with two Super Bowl appearances and one Super Bowl victory, really need to improve their culture.

With that level of success, absolutely, it’s easy to get complacent. No chance Larry doesn’t give it his all and uses his voice to get the best out of everyone on the team. Larry has never won a Super Bowl and that’s the only reason he’s still playing. He would be on a mission. His voice and influence is impactful. He’s respected by players.

kcbubb
06-04-2021, 08:24 PM
TrueFan Nonsense

And with this oline, we run the ball a lot more and he’s a great blocker. He could help our run game. He’s also another red zone threat. and will probably sign for a minimum deal. What’s the risk?

Skyy God
06-04-2021, 08:24 PM
With that level of success, absolutely, it’s easy to get complacent. No chance Larry doesn’t give it his all and uses his voice to get the best out of everyone on the team. Larry has never won a Super Bowl and that’s the only reason he’s still playing. He would be on a mission. His voice and influence is impactful. He’s respected by players.

Go fist yourself.

Kiimo
06-04-2021, 08:25 PM
You know what players respect?







Speed.

ChiefaRoo
06-04-2021, 08:34 PM
And with this oline, we run the ball a lot more and he’s a great blocker. He could help our run game. He’s also another red zone threat. and will probably sign for a minimum deal. What’s the risk?

scho63
06-05-2021, 12:12 PM
DAT for punt return insurance? ROFL

DATS a bad idea....;)

Couch-Potato
09-01-2021, 12:40 PM
Ahem... Larry Fitzgerald?

Kemp cut, Rookie not looking too hot, Hardmen lacks significant historical production... would certainly be an attractive addition for a team with SB ambitions.

loochy
09-01-2021, 12:45 PM
Why? We have Fountain.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
09-01-2021, 12:48 PM
Marcus Kemp just made the roster

Couch-Potato
09-01-2021, 12:49 PM
Marcus Kemp just made the roster

My bad. Still an intriguing option. We're one injury away from being in the market for a WR imo.

BossChief
09-01-2021, 12:56 PM
Kinda funny every time someone brings up Larry Fitzgerald.

Chris Meck
09-01-2021, 01:01 PM
Ahem... Larry Fitzgerald?

Kemp cut, Rookie not looking too hot, Hardmen lacks significant historical production... would certainly be an attractive addition for a team with SB ambitions.

I think I might be faster than Larry Fitzgerald at this point.

KChiefs1
09-01-2021, 02:11 PM
Marcus Kemp just made the roster


Thank God!!!!

KChiefs1
09-01-2021, 02:13 PM
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You shit in the Fountain?

Burt Vainytaint is upset.

KChiefs1
09-01-2021, 02:14 PM
Mecole Hardman's name would shine bright AF against that list. Either acquire Julio or roll with who we have.


Fountain looked better than Hardman.

scho63
09-02-2021, 09:23 AM
Fountain will be our 2021/2022 Sammy Watkins without the injuries

Dunerdr
09-02-2021, 09:24 AM
Fountain looked better than Hardman.

LOL GTFO. Maybe if you dont take the competition into account.

TwistedChief
09-02-2021, 09:50 AM
How about John Brown?

ModSocks
09-02-2021, 09:52 AM
How about John Brown?

Would rather just roll with what we have.

TwistedChief
09-02-2021, 09:55 AM
Would rather just roll with what we have.

I think I'd prefer him over the majority of our WRs ex-Hill to be honest, but there may be a grass is greener aspect to that.

ModSocks
09-02-2021, 09:59 AM
I think I'd prefer him over the majority of our WRs ex-Hill to be honest, but there may be a grass is greener aspect to that.

Haven't watched him this year, but he was a relative non-factor for the Bills last year and couldn't make it out of wr-needy Raiders camp.

Something's wrong there.

And considering all the talk about how hard it is for a WR to learn the offense, im not sure it's worth it.

Skyy God
09-02-2021, 10:09 AM
I think I'd prefer him over the majority of our WRs ex-Hill to be honest, but there may be a grass is greener aspect to that.

Football is a young man’s game.

I’d rather have a 25-ish year old that knows our system than a 31 year old small WR on the verge of washing out of the league.

Dunerdr
09-02-2021, 10:54 AM
If he couldnt stick with the Raiders,,YIKES.

OnTheWarpath15
09-02-2021, 10:57 AM
I believe Brown asked for his release from the Raiders.

Regardless, this WR corp is pure ass besides Hill.

RealSNR
09-02-2021, 11:35 AM
I think I might be faster than Larry Fitzgerald at this point.

My 92-year old grandmother is faster than Larry Fitz.

To be fair, though, while she does have issues with balance when she walks, when she's using her walker, damn that lady can fly!

Dunerdr
09-02-2021, 11:40 AM
I believe Brown asked for his release from the Raiders.

Regardless, this WR corp is pure ass besides Hill.

The report i read was that he wasnt happy with his role on the team or position on the depth chart.

ModSocks
09-02-2021, 11:40 AM
I believe Brown asked for his release from the Raiders.



Because he was battling for the last WR spot on the depth chart (with a guy that they eventually cut). Sounds like dude was on the chopping block, feeling the heat, and requested the cut since it may have been an inevitability.

Deberg_1990
09-02-2021, 11:47 AM
Chiefs will be fine at WR unless Hill gets hurt.

Pringle, Robinson and Fountain will be ok. Hardman is what he is. He will probably get around 600-700 yards. Kelce is really our WR2. I expect the Chiefs to throw a ton to CEH this year as well.

There’s no WRs available who’s better than what we have currently

ModSocks
09-02-2021, 11:51 AM
Pringle will likely end up being "the guy" that replaces Watkins.

Of the 3 he seems to be the most reliable. Never any real questions about his hands. Seems natural catching the ball. Always seems to be in the right place. He's got the physical tools.

Ultimately, it will be WR by committee. We'll see what Fountain has. He passes the eye test. Maybe by mid-season he's pushing Robinson for snaps.

New World Order
09-02-2021, 11:59 AM
My 92-year old grandmother is faster than Larry Fitz.

To be fair, though, while she does have issues with balance when she walks, when she's using her walker, damn that lady can fly!

So she can run the 40 in 7 seconds. Damn, that's impressive!