Ongoing St. Louis vs the NFL Litigation Thread

[Rams Fan]

So, as a TLDR warning, basically all these tweets are from today regarding rulings in St. Louis' lawsuit vs the NFL regarding the Rams relocation

Basically, the judge ruled heavily in the city's favor to continue moving forward in the legal process and it looks like this case will go to a jury trial at some point, meaning a bunch of dirty laundry concerning the league is about to be aired.

Tid-bit regarding the Chiefs is that it looks like Clark Hunt's financial information, as well as some other owners aside from Kroenke, will be shared with the city.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At STL City court...STL vs. NFL protective order to asess punitive damages. STL wants discovery of NFL assets, says the legal standard is straightforward.</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414673147786416136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">STL says NFL &amp; Kroenke committed &quot;willful or outrageous or reckless act vs. plaintiff rights.&quot;</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414673555497832451?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">STL claims NFL kept discovery confidential. Email from Eric Gruman-&quot;I&#39;m trying to get some terrific L.A. opportunities to fruition under cover of darkness.&quot;</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414674043668684800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In deposition, Goodell held relocation guidelines in his hand. Was asked &quot;are these mandatory?&quot; (to abide by) Replied &quot;Counselor, it says right here, (they are).</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414674730171383810?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2014 Email from Demoff to NFL says L.A. land story is coming out. League responds &quot;what should we say.&quot; Demoff provides talking points that Goodell uses in Super Bowl press conference, denying he knows land purchase by Kroenke is for stadium.</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414675281235759109?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Peacock e-mail to Demoff telling him about National Car Rental naming rights deal. Demoff responds with link to YouTube video that screams &quot;F it, I&#39;m out.&quot;</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414675672887435264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">STL has record of 2013 phone call with Kroenke, Goodell, Mara (Giants) and Rooney (Steelers). Kroenke says &quot;I&#39;m going to buy 2 parcels of land and build a stadium in L.A.&quot; Says we&#39;re trying very hard to stay under the radar screen and keep it hidden.&quot; Goodell: &quot;We will respect</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414676535303344128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Your confidentiality. &quot;</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414676642316832769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Other notes-NFL never intended to force Kroenke to negotiate in good faith.</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414677025202315267?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Judge says he needs clear and convincing evidence that about 25 defendants operated in a fraudulent manner, and says he hasn&#39;t seen that. Says evidence is necessary to delve into individuals&#39; finances.</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414681874102984711?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">STL attorney says they received relocation money. That&#39;s all we need to know. It was said in owners meeting STL would be harmed.&quot;</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414682297438199814?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It was confirmed that the Arizona Cardinals voted against the Rams relocation. My sense is the Panthers were the other team that did.</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414684421815476238?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Judge says preponderance of evidence exists against Mara, Kraft, Jones, Rooney...one other...for damages. Most NFL owners spared discovery of finances.</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414685704777609216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2 other nuggets: Jerry Jones admitted he urged Kroenke to move. Day after relocation vote, Rams signed contract w/ Jones Legends corp to sell PSL&#39;s and luxury boxes.</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414688654040125440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One quick correction: STL has the ability to investigate net worth of NFL, Goodell, Kroenke, Jones, Kraft, Mara, Richardson. They have 10 days to ask for right to investigate other owners. Apparently it&#39;s rare for a judge to rule from the bench, as he did for STL here.</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1414697705025196034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In today&#39;s more than 2-hour hearing that was not publicly docketed, Judge Chris McGraugh said St. Louis plaintiffs showed sufficient evidence to get financials from NFL, Kroenke, Rams, Commissioner Goodell and team owners Jones, Mara, Kraft and Richardson. Story TK <a href="https://twitter.com/stltoday?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@stltoday</a> <a href="https://t.co/sDJG6LMNgV">https://t.co/sDJG6LMNgV</a></p>&mdash; Joel Currier (@joelcurrier) <a href="https://twitter.com/joelcurrier/status/1414712586088722436?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Correction. The judge did not list Goodell among those from whom St. Louis plaintiffs may get financial information. He mentioned Clark Hunt, owner of the KC Chiefs. <a href="https://twitter.com/Ben_Fred?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Ben_Fred</a> <a href="https://t.co/bTnjbh9prn">https://t.co/bTnjbh9prn</a></p>&mdash; Joel Currier (@joelcurrier) <a href="https://twitter.com/joelcurrier/status/1414714987998851073?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[TribalElder]

make them move back and suffer

[wazu]

make them move back and suffer

Yep. You can’t leave Hell just because it sucks.

[Chief Pagan]

make them move back and suffer

Um, would that be suffering anymore than the embarrassment of playing in a brand new and mostly* empty stadium in LA?


*Except of course for whatever fans from the other team show up.

[chiefzilla1501]

Considering how much cities pump money into stadiums and give owners all kinds of perks, the decision to leave a city should not be taken lightly. Weasels like kroenke shouldn't be allowed to hold cities hostage. Those stadiums are sunk costs for the city.

It's too bad that sports for so many fans gets ruined by billionaires. It's just crazy to me that decades of incompetence from owners like the fords, Mike brown and Dan Snyder and still they are untouchable

[ChiefsCountry]

If St. Louis had built the TransWorld Dome for Bidwell, they would still have football to this day.

[GloucesterChief]

Send the Chargers to St. Louis.

Win-win for everyone.

[DaneMcCloud]

Um, would that be suffering anymore than the embarrassment of playing in a brand new and mostly* empty stadium in LA?


*Except of course for whatever fans from the other team show up.

The Rams were 11th in attendance in 2019 with an average of 71,229 per game and that was in the shithole that is the Coliseum.

[Titty Meat]

St Louis is a shithole

[oldman]

Send the Chargers to St. Louis.

Win-win for everyone.

And force Kroenke to let the Chargers out of their contract without compensation.

St Louis is a shithole

Yes it is.

[Dunerdr]

So, they shouldnt have left but theres a bunch of billionaires with great lawyers who will cut a deal to pay st louie and no one will give a fuck except a few fans in a few years.

[FloridaMan88]

St. Loser gets ZERO sympathy and I hope they get laughed out of any and every court in America with their lame legal "arguments".

They got the rare second chance at an NFL team, they were gifted with a fluke Super Bowl with that second chance and they still blew it.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

I'm 100% on board with STL. They were done dirty. I hope Stan and the league pay dearly.

[FloridaMan88]

I'm 100% on board with STL. They were done dirty. I hope Stan and the league pay dearly.

The same St. Loser that tried to desperately prevent funding for construction of the Sprint/T-Mobile Center from being approved?

The same St. Loser whose state politicians regularly try to block any state funding allotments to go towards KC-area sporting facilities?

St. Loser deserved the Stan Kroenke treatment, it's karma.

[Red Dawg]

Fuck them. They don't deserve a team anyway.

[Rams Fan]

St. Loser gets ZERO sympathy and I hope they get laughed out of any and every court in America with their lame legal "arguments".

They got the rare second chance at an NFL team, they were gifted with a fluke Super Bowl with that second chance and they still blew it.

You realize the fan base/fan support literally had nothing to do with this, right?

It’s the fact that the city officials in the 90s gave the team the stupidest out clause ever. And the issue isn’t that the Rams relocated-it’s that they let taxpayer dollars-not only from the city but also the state-be spent on an effort to keep the Rams in St. Louis when the NFL didn’t even abide by their guidelines and continued to have city/state officials believe that the effort for a stadium could lead to the Rams staying, when there was a 0% chance of that happening.

I am not as emotionally attached to professional teams after this happened. It’s welfare for billionaires. Sports are entertaining but a business first.

[Matrix]

Clark Hunt, you're next !


https://twitter.com/joelcurrier/status/1414714987998851073

[Matrix]

You realize the fan base/fan support literally had nothing to do with this, right?

It’s the fact that the city officials in the 90s gave the team the stupidest out clause ever. And the issue isn’t that the Rams relocated-it’s that they let taxpayer dollars-not only from the city but also the state-be spent on an effort to keep the Rams in St. Louis when the NFL didn’t even abide by their guidelines and continued to have city/state officials believe that the effort for a stadium could lead to the Rams staying, when there was a 0% chance of that happening.

I am not as emotionally attached to professional teams after this happened. It’s welfare for billionaires. Sports are entertaining but a business first.

He's one of those insecure KCians we know all too well.

Their day is coming, because Arrowhead isn't a spring chicken. Could you imagine Kansas having not one but TWO sports franchises to KCMO's one ?

[Matrix]

**** them. They don't deserve a team anyway.

The rest of America deserved to see a competitive Super Bowl during a pandemic, but alas.

[Matrix]

St Louis is a shithole

then what is Kansas City ?

A place that don't have an adequate airport, public transportation, and the rest of the country considers it an extension of Kansas ?

[Matrix]

St. Loser gets ZERO sympathy and I hope they get laughed out of any and every court in America with their lame legal "arguments".

They got the rare second chance at an NFL team, they were gifted with a fluke Super Bowl with that second chance and they still blew it.

You do realize the 49ers came close to shutting the door on KC, yes ? Hell Houston should've sent you packing in the first round.

[Kiimo]

lol at shitty fans from a city with no NFL coming here to talk shit. In two weeks camp starts and you all will be sitting around sucking your toes waiting for, I dunno, hockey news or something. I'm not sure

[Matrix]

The same St. Loser that tried to desperately prevent funding for construction of the Sprint/T-Mobile Center from being approved?

The same St. Loser whose state politicians regularly try to block any state funding allotments to go towards KC-area sporting facilities?

St. Loser deserved the Stan Kroenke treatment, it's karma.

Should've asked Kansas for assistance. :shrug:

[Matrix]

lol at shitty fans from a city with no NFL coming here to talk shit. In two weeks camp starts and you all will be sitting around sucking your toes waiting for, I dunno, hockey news or something. I'm not sure
There's an SEC team in the middle of the state that deserves attention.
College football is much better than the pile of shit that's called a professional league these days.

[Kiimo]

Keep posting more, you'll definitely convince us, St Louis trash

[Kiimo]

Imagine basing your dreams and hopes on the University of Missouri just lmao forever.


A good litmus test on if you should consider going sober is the belief that the fucking TIGERS are better than an NFL team.

Stop mixing meth and moonshine

[Matrix]

Keep posting more, you'll definitely convince us, St Louis trash

Waaaaaah. The rest of the state don't care about us but at least we have an NFL team ! DERP

[Matrix]

Imagine basing your dreams and hopes on the University of Missouri just lmao forever.


A good litmus test on if you should consider going sober is the belief that the ****ing TIGERS are better than an NFL team.

Stop mixing meth and moonshine

Kansas fan, I presume ?

It hasn't been a good 13 years for you on the gridiron.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

LA football is an absolute embarrassment like many of us said before the move. Having 2 teams in that dump is criminal.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

St Louis is a shithole

Yes it is, but so is KC

[Matrix]

To be fair, I have no issues with the Chiefs, but some of their fans need a reality check.

[Bearcat]

Matrix enters the chat

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[Pasta Little Brioni]

To be fair, I have no issues with the Chiefs, but some of their fans need a reality check.

You're trolling again. That's all you are doing. St Louis was a terrible football town. Atmosphere in that dump dome was a joke.

That said the NFL and Kroenke need to be held responsible for that shady bull shit.

[Chief Pagan]

The Rams were 11th in attendance in 2019 with an average of 71,229 per game and that was in the shithole that is the Coliseum.

LOL

I was confusing the Chargers and Rams

Hard to keep LA teams I don’t care about apart even if one is in our division.

But making the Chargers break their LA lease without penalty and go play in St Louis would be funny to think about.

[Dayze]

sigh.

...another one.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

LOL

I was confusing the Chargers and Rams

Hard to keep LA teams I don’t care about apart even if one is in our division.

But making the Chargers break their LA lease without penalty and go play in St Louis would be funny to think about.

11th is pretty sad for an LA team in it's newlywed phase anyway.

[Dayze]

Matrix enters the chat

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while holding a pile of fresh dog poo telling everyone "look what I almost stepped in"!

[Titty Meat]

Who's this matrix retard?

[Deberg_1990]

How bout those Cardinals?

[oldman]

Kansas fan, I presume ?

It hasn't been a good 13 years for you on the gridiron.

But it's been a pretty fair ride in the basketball court.

[Pablo]

Who's this matrix retard?

The hot load that dropped outta Mike Sam's ass has become sentient and is posting on our board.

[DaneMcCloud]

11th is pretty sad for an LA team in it's newlywed phase anyway.

You have no fucking idea of what you're talking about, as usual.

Parking is nearly non-existent near the Coliseum, while available parking for Rams games has been as high as $200.00 dollars per game.

The stadium itself is a shithole, with very few amenities, no restaurants and shitty, tiny seats that are made for college students, not adults. There's no shade at the stadium, which is why USC plays so many night games each year, so you're stuck in a undersized seat while being baked in the in the hot sun for 3.5 hours. The parking lot is miniscule and there's no way to really set up a huge tailgate, let alone, multiple tailgates.

It's a fucking miserable NFL experience, so it's surprising that they averaged 71,000+. The new stadium seats 72,000, which is smart, because fewer people attend NFL games with each passing year.

[Spott]

They stole their team from LA and now they’re pissed because they went back home? They had two chances and blew them both. St Louis isn’t a football town and never deserved a team. But at least they have a bigger airport which makes it easier to get the hell out of that shithole city.

[Matrix]

Well, it's kinda a big deal. Especially if you want others to know which state you're in.

At least they got a Super Bowl out of it. It must suck that the NBA Kings, Athletics, and NHL Scouts/Rockies/Devils didn't accomplish shit while they were in the city of fountains.

[Matrix]

How bout those Cardinals?

Still a ton more relevant than the Royals I'd say.

[Titty Meat]

The hot load that dropped outta Mike Sam's ass has become sentient and is posting on our board.

That's hawt. I'd love to catch him at a tailgate I'd make his ass touch his ankles with just 1 punch

[Rams Fan]

They stole their team from LA and now they’re pissed because they went back home? They had two chances and blew them both. St Louis isn’t a football town and never deserved a team. But at least they have a bigger airport which makes it easier to get the hell out of that shithole city.

The issue isn’t that they left.

The issue is they flat out lied to the city/taxpayers/fans saying they had no intentions of leaving (I believe as recently as 2013 or 2014 publicly) and had the entire relocation circus go forward with the city, causing millions of taxpayer dollars to be spent on an effort that the NFL never would consider even though the NFL publicly said they’d adhere to their own guidelines, which they didn’t.

Also, the whole St. Louis isn’t a football town argument is getting old and not accurate. Give the city a decent product to watch and the fans will come and support. St. Louis has only had 8 combined PO appearances with the Rams and Cardinals in 49 seasons.

[FloridaMan88]

Still a ton more relevant than the Royals I'd say.

Which team has a more recent World Series trophy?

Also KC has Patrick Mahomes and St. Loser has hockey… enough said.

[Rams Fan]

Which team has a more recent World Series trophy?

Also KC has Patrick Mahomes and St. Loser has hockey… enough said.

Why do people feel the need to bash one city over the other when it should be about supporting the state as a whole?

St. Louis’ struggles aren’t good for Missouri as a whole. If KC and STL do well separately on all things, not just sports, everyone wins. Vice versus with KC.

[Spott]

Also, the whole St. Louis isn’t a football town argument is getting old and not accurate. Give the city a decent product to watch and the fans will come and support. St. Louis has only had 8 combined PO appearances with the Rams and Cardinals in 49 seasons.

I just checked the NFL website and St Louis is indeed not a football town.

[FloridaMan88]

Why do people feel the need to bash one city over the other when it should be about supporting the state as a whole?

St. Louis’ struggles aren’t good for Missouri as a whole. If KC and STL do well separately on all things, not just sports, everyone wins. Vice versus with KC.

St. Loser has a long history of trying to sabotage KC’s civic efforts.

They tried to persuade local voters in KC to vote against funding to build the Sprint Center.

And state representatives from the St. Loser-area have a history of not supporting funding for stadium projects/enhancements in KC, while pushing for the state to bankroll these same types of projects in St. Loser.

Where was your appeal for state unity during these situations?

[Rams Fan]

St. Loser has a long history of trying to sabotage KC’s civic efforts.

They tried to persuade local voters in KC to vote against funding to build the Sprint Center.

And state representatives from the St. Loser-area have a history of not supporting funding for stadium projects/enhancements in KC, while pushing for the state to bankroll these same types of projects in St. Loser.

Where was your appeal for state unity during these situations?

I wasn’t of voting age and my sister hadn’t moved to KC to work in KCPS as a teacher.

I just checked the NFL website and St Louis is indeed not a football town.

LMAO

[GloucesterChief]

Like I said, send the Chargers to St. Louis. Kroenke gets his lease broken as a mea culpula and everyone is happy.

[Kiimo]

Well not Charger fans. That's like 20k really angry guys dressed as lightning bolts

[DaneMcCloud]

Like I said, send the Chargers to St. Louis. Kroenke gets his lease broken as a mea culpula and everyone is happy.

As long as the Spanos family owns the Chargers, they'll forever stay in SoCal.

If the family decides to sell, moving the team from Los Angeles to a city like St. Louis would be monumentally stupid.

Why do you think that Kroenke began working to move the franchise back to Los Angeles in 2007?

[Kiimo]

Yeah you'd probably have better luck pulling the Jaguars somehow.

[Rams Fan]

As long as the Spanos family owns the Chargers, they'll forever stay in SoCal.

If the family decides to sell, moving the team from Los Angeles to a city like St. Louis would be monumentally stupid.

Why do you think that Kroenke began working to move the franchise back to Los Angeles in 2007?

There’s also the fact that the Spanos would have to actually build a stadium with $ they don’t have.

[Kiimo]

My dream is Jeff Besos buys the team and builds a stadium down in San Diego and takes them back there. I know there are huge problems with that but that's the scenario I like best.

Even when I lived in KC going to San Diego for a Chiefs / Chargers game was awesome. Way more fun than driving 4 hours to St. Louis

[Titty Meat]

Enjoy your downtown MLS stadium rams fan!

[mschiefs1984]

Well not Charger fans. That's like 20k really angry guys dressed as lightning bolts

20K seems a little high

[ThyKingdomCome15]

The issue is not whether or not STL deserved a team, rather if Stan/NFL negotiated in good faith. It is clear Stan and the NFL did not. STL has a strong case.

[oldman]

St. Loser has a long history of trying to sabotage KC’s civic efforts.

They tried to persuade local voters in KC to vote against funding to build the Sprint Center.

And state representatives from the St. Loser-area have a history of not supporting funding for stadium projects/enhancements in KC, while pushing for the state to bankroll these same types of projects in St. Loser.

Where was your appeal for state unity during these situations?

This.

I had to go over to our sister office in the late 90s about 2 blocks from the stadium and thought "What were those people thinking?". It was an eyesore then and I thought about how lucky we were to have Arrowhead. They needed to pump money into it when it was less than 20 years old. Then, they wanted more money to upgrade it again because the locals were dumb enough to buy into that "top quartile" clause.

[PunkinDrublic]

Stan Kroenke probably laughs his off whenever he tells his buddies how bad he fleeced the tax paying rubes of St. Louis.

[Rams Fan]

Stan Kroenke probably laughs his off whenever he tells his buddies how bad he fleeced the tax paying rubes of St. Louis.

Nah, that’s John Shaw, the Ram equivalent of Carl Peterson, who asked for the first tier clause and the city officials gave it to them without question.

[Spott]

Nah, that’s John Shaw, the Ram equivalent of Carl Peterson, who asked for the first tier clause and the city officials gave it to them without question.

Without reading into this lawsuit, what is the end game for the City of St Louis? Do they just want money or are they wanting another team?

[Deberg_1990]

I remember going to a Rams game when that dome was fairly new. Around 96-97. The Rams were pretty bad back then so got late season tickets cheap.

It was unremarkable with no character back then and it was new. What a waste of money.

[Rams Fan]

Without reading into this lawsuit, what is the end game for the City of St Louis? Do they just want money or are they wanting another team?

Realistically,$ to pay for the remaining $ owed on paying off the bonds for the Dome and for the expenses for legal fees as well as the task force fees for exploring a new stadium.

There won’t be any NFL in St. Louis unless someone wants to bring a team there and build a private stadium.

[jettio]

I looked up the case.

Seems weird to sue every team and every team's principal owner.

Not sure how strong a case it is to sue under the idea that the NFL relocation policy was not strictly followed. Seems that the relocation policy resulted from the Raiders winning the antitrust case in the early 1980's.

Not sure if NFL will be able to compare how well the relocation policy was followed when St. Louis "attracted" the Rams after the NFL awarded Carolina and Jacksonville the 1994 expansion teams ahead of the St. Louis bid. The first Rams relocation from LA to St. Louis would have occurred while the relocation policy was in place. Who knows how well it was followed then?

Seems like both sides are asking for and getting permission to file case documents under seal.

I suppose it would be interesting to know what bases the NFL Defendants and Teams are arguing for summary judgment.

Seems like summary judgment could be based on the idea that the Relocation policy is not enforceable by these Plaintiffs or, possibly, based on an estoppel argument that the Plaintiffs may have benefitted in 1994 from the same stuff they are complaining about now. The fact that it is LA involved for both moves could matter, I would suppose.

IIRC, Greitens and the GOP in Jefferson City opposed any public assistance to a stadium that would support the MLS bid. St. Louis then put together a privately funded proposal that ended up getting a MLS team. That story might weigh in favor of the Defendants.

Seems like if Kroenke was in a position to have to invest his own money to build a suitable facility, he might have more right to relocate and build it where it is arguably a much better investment.

It wonder if the NFL will have the nerve to say that the XFL team in St. Louis won some games and therefore mitigated damages.

St. Louis may have been the best soccer city in the USA before the 1994 World Cup and MLS. St. Louis may just have to be happy to have Cardinals in MLB, Blues in NHL, and the new MLS team.

This case might end up moving a few dollars around, but case seems like a jobs program for lawyers more than anything else.

[Rams Fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No surprise here, but the Missouri Supreme Court has denied the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rams?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Rams</a>/<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> appeal to stop the handing over of detailed financial information of Stan Kroenke and other owners that were approved for the pursuit of potential punitive damages.</p>&mdash; Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ben_Fred/status/1440731676099821575?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In short, Team STL moves closer to having full, open books of following owners/entities in order to build case for punitive damages: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a>, Rams, Kroenke, Kraft, Richardson, Hunt, Mara, Jones. Protective order protects information, but what gets out in hearings/trial is public. <a href="https://t.co/v8jPtQjzdF">https://t.co/v8jPtQjzdF</a></p>&mdash; Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ben_Fred/status/1440736074276302850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Heh.

[Sassy Squatch]

No way the NFL doesn't try to settle at this point.

[Sassy Squatch]

The judge is pretty hilarious too. Just the right amount of subtle pettiness.

[Rams Fan]

No way the NFL doesn't try to settle at this point.

I don't see STL trying to settle, though.

I think they're going to go scorched earth, make an example of the NFL, and win a shit ton of money.

The judge is pretty hilarious too. Just the right amount of subtle pettiness.

Oh yeah. Rams requested a change of venue and the judge denied it because, as a part of the Rams argument for relocating, they said there wasn't a large following. The judge's point is that if that's the case, then why is a change of venue needed? LMAO

[smithandrew051]

We’re in this weird timeline where I’m cheering for St Louis

[Sassy Squatch]

I don't see STL trying to settle, though.

I think they're going to go scorched earth, make an example of the NFL, and win a shit ton of money.



Oh yeah. Rams requested a change of venue and the judge denied it because, as a part of the Rams argument for relocating, they said there wasn't a large following. The judge's point is that if that's the case, then why is a change of venue needed? LMAO
Same. NFL may just wait for the appeals process but whatever financials get exposed when they open the books for punitive damages is going to sting mich worse than any damages they have to pay.

[New World Order]

We’re in this weird timeline where I’m cheering for St Louis

I tried, but I just can’t do it

[Rams Fan]

Same. NFL may just wait for the appeals process but whatever financials get exposed when they open the books for punitive damages is going to sting mich worse than any damages they have to pay.

The silence from the national media is deafening, too.

Literally the only national media source that's at all covering this is Florio/PFT.

ESPN, CBS, Fox, are dead silent.

[Pablo]

We’re in this weird timeline where I’m cheering for St Louis

Gross.

[POND_OF_RED]

Why do people feel the need to bash one city over the other when it should be about supporting the state as a whole?

St. Louis’ struggles aren’t good for Missouri as a whole. If KC and STL do well separately on all things, not just sports, everyone wins. Vice versus with KC.

Most of the people living in St. Louis hated when the Rams were there. Without a team they are getting many more Chiefs games on TV which is what the majority of the city wanted all along. I’m sure the majority of the city would rather just pay taxes to get Chiefs coverage like they are now than to pay for a stadium they only got to use once every preseason and when the league schedule made it a viable arrowhead east location.

[displacedinMN]

Maybe they would get the bills as settlement

[Spott]

Maybe they would get the bills as settlement

Or the Jaguars as punishment.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Maybe they would get the bills as settlement

I gave them the Lions in Madden ROFL

[Flying High D]

NFL needs to award Ferguson a team.

[GloryDayz]

The silence from the national media is deafening, too.

Literally the only national media source that's at all covering this is Florio/PFT.

ESPN, CBS, Fox, are dead silent.

None of those groups can afford an WWFL NFL that's angry with them.

[Sassy Squatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Judge now questions NFL attorney as to why months after he ordered owners to turn over financial documents NFL attorneys are now saying they’re just starting to look forward that info. NFL attorney argues that a mountain of material has been overlooked.</p>&mdash; Holden Kurwicki (@Holden_Kurwicki) <a href="https://twitter.com/Holden_Kurwicki/status/1448372509020151811?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Judge McGraugh again asks why info they’ve been asking for for months is still incomplete and financial info on businesses hasn’t been reported.</p>&mdash; Holden Kurwicki (@Holden_Kurwicki) <a href="https://twitter.com/Holden_Kurwicki/status/1448373708079472646?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Judge McGraugh tells NFL Attorney: “This behavior cannot go on!”</p>&mdash; Holden Kurwicki (@Holden_Kurwicki) <a href="https://twitter.com/Holden_Kurwicki/status/1448374108039880706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NFL Attorney: “Let’s be practical here”<br><br>Judge: “I am being practical here. With all of your good intentions I don’t believe your clients are acting with good intentions”</p>&mdash; Holden Kurwicki (@Holden_Kurwicki) <a href="https://twitter.com/Holden_Kurwicki/status/1448375082099806215?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">STL Attorney says he wants all document production from all defendants within the next two weeks “since they’re working so hard on it”.</p>&mdash; Holden Kurwicki (@Holden_Kurwicki) <a href="https://twitter.com/Holden_Kurwicki/status/1448375671768633344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Rams Fan]

Apparently Kroenke turned over 23,000 documents regarding his assets and net worth while Hunt, Mara, Kraft, and Jones haven’t.

[comochiefsfan]

Between this and the WFT email shit, this is gonna be an interesting couple months for NFL owners.

It should be quite the show.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Still a ton more relevant than the Royals I'd say.

Maybe. Although, based on their current situations, I would say neither is very 'relevant' on the national level at the moment.

That being said, the Royals have been to 2 World Series in the last 7 years. How have the Cardinals done during that time frame?

[Sassy Squatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Mara ��️ St. Louis:<br><br>&quot;Mara said that Kroenke&#39;s change in position was ridiculous and that if Kroenke had not agreed to indemnify the league, the owners wouldn&#39;t have voted for him to move. He said anyone who was in the room in Houston when the vote was taken would know that.&quot;</p>&mdash; Daniel Wallach (@WALLACHLEGAL) <a href="https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/1453424760126332936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Rams Fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Mara ��️ St. Louis:<br><br>&quot;Mara said that Kroenke&#39;s change in position was ridiculous and that if Kroenke had not agreed to indemnify the league, the owners wouldn&#39;t have voted for him to move. He said anyone who was in the room in Houston when the vote was taken would know that.&quot;</p>&mdash; Daniel Wallach (@WALLACHLEGAL) <a href="https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/1453424760126332936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I am looking forward to the NFL losing its lawsuit and paying millions to the city.

[Rams Fan]

But in 2019, an ESPN report on the Rams-Chargers marriage detailed that discovery in the lawsuit had turned up an email from an official affiliated with the competing Carson proposal that outlined to St. Louis authorities all the ways the Rams seemed to be in violation of the league's relocation policy, providing a blueprint for the city of St. Louis' lawsuit.
You can’t make this shit up. LMAO

[GloucesterChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Mara ��️ St. Louis:<br><br>&quot;Mara said that Kroenke&#39;s change in position was ridiculous and that if Kroenke had not agreed to indemnify the league, the owners wouldn&#39;t have voted for him to move. He said anyone who was in the room in Houston when the vote was taken would know that.&quot;</p>&mdash; Daniel Wallach (@WALLACHLEGAL) <a href="https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/1453424760126332936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They trusted a backstabbing rat. That is on them. They knew he was a backstabbing rat beforehand and still trusted him to not fuck them over.

[chiefzilla1501]

Between this and the WFT email shit, this is gonna be an interesting couple months for NFL owners.

It should be quite the show.

Hopefully it finally is the nail in the coffin for Goodell.

The Daniel Snyder debacle is a classic example of what's wrong with sports. Even before the scandal how can an owner this bad have such little accountability. Having money shouldn't be the only pre req.

Don't forget to add McNair taking Rasputin advice from a preacher. And the spanos bullshit with the chargers still stings too. Remember when dad McNair talked about criminals running the asylum? Wonder what he'd have to say about the incompetent owners actually running the asylum.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Dirty pool. Make Mr. DeepPockets pay for it.

[Marco Polo]

It really is all about money and that's it. How many fanbases and local businesses in cities have been fucked over by the relocation process and then have to "fall in love" with an expansion or new relocation team or if you are a small local business, start anew? I personally hope the NFL loses a billion on this lawsuit and it scares them out of the relocation process in the future.

[gblowfish]

St. Louis may get an expansion team...
With the Rams relocation litigation moving to trial, the period for conducting discovery has ended. That makes recent developments a little confusing, on the surface.

According to Daniel Wallach, the St. Louis plaintiffs have filed formal notices to take the depositions of Rams owner Stan Kroenke and Chiefs owner Clark Hunt.

Nothing prevents a party from filing the notice of deposition. If the NFL wants to block the deposition, it must file a motion for a protective order with the presiding judge.

Usually, a witness may be deposed only once in a given case, for discovery purposes. The league will be inclined to resist this effort, if it can.

Sometimes, the trial testimony of a given witness is taken before trial, with the testimony recorded and played for the jury. It’s hard to imagine the St. Louis plaintiffs agreeing to proceed in this manner when it comes to key witnesses like owners, particularly Kroenke.

Another explanation could be that testimony is needed to understand fully and completely the financial information disclosed by Kroenke and Hunt, based on the finding that they could be responsible for punitive damages.

It’s also possible that Seth Wickersham’s recent fly-on-the-wall reporting from the ownership meeting in New York has sparked the renewed interest in questioning Kroenke, given than he reportedly intends to not honor his promise to cover the full costs of the litigation. On the surface, that issue has no obvious relevance to the Rams relocation case. To the extent, however, that the St. Louis plaintiffs can prove that Kroenke has engaged in a pattern of broken promises, the fact that he’s breaking promises to his partners could be relevant to the claim that he defrauded St. Louis.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/st-louis-plaintiffs-file-notice-204045866.html

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

This is the first that I have heard about this story. It has been been buried by the national media.

[Chief Pagan]

Hopefully it finally is the nail in the coffin for Goodell.

The Daniel Snyder debacle is a classic example of what's wrong with sports. Even before the scandal how can an owner this bad have such little accountability. Having money shouldn't be the only pre req.



I was pleasantly impressed when the NBA's commissioner, Adam Silver, forced a change in ownership of the Clippers in such a relatively quick manner when that debacle finally blew up.

[Rams Fan]

This is the first that I have heard about this story. It has been been buried by the national media.

Florio/ProFootballTalk has actually covered it pretty well.

ESPN hasn't really covered it consistently (Wickersham wrote the piece this week, though, and they've had some articles here and there).

CBS/Fox haven't either.

Assuming this continues moving forward, it's about to get a lot of attention, especially if/when St. Louis wins.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Florio/ProFootballTalk has actually covered it pretty well.

ESPN hasn't really covered it consistently (Wickersham wrote the piece this week, though, and they've had some articles here and there).

CBS/Fox haven't either.

Assuming this continues moving forward, it's about to get a lot of attention, especially if/when St. Louis wins.

I'd say they're not wanting to jump to conclusions before the process plays out. This is a huge embarrassment to the NFL with not only the fraud but also the infighting between Stan and the other owners. If STL wins big then this will be everywhere, a landmark case. The NFL really believed at the time they were untouchable.

[BryanBusby]

I don't see the NFL doesn't settle with some fucking gigantic conceding here. Kronke did them like he did the city.

Say hello to your St. Louis Bills.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

There is no convincing data that pro sports teams have a substantially positive net economic impact on a city. There's no reason why they should settle for an expansion team when they can win a multi-billion dollar settlement that they could use for a tremendous amount of revitalization of the city.

[Rams Fan]

There is no convincing data that pro sports teams have a substantially positive net economic impact on a city. There's no reason why they should settle for an expansion team when they can win a multi-billion dollar settlement that they could use for a tremendous amount of revitalization of the city.

The only clear and convincing argument that can be made for a pro sports team having net positive economic impact on a city is if the team was publicly owned and a stadium was paid for by the NFL(with all the benefits etc. going to the city, which won't happen).

Also, court date is officially happening:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: MO court of appeals denies NFL writ requesting trial be moved out of city of St. Louis. Trial will be held at Carnahan courthouse starting Jan. 10.</p>&mdash; Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RandyKarraker/status/1455559782534979588?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is awesome.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/rams-owner-stan-kroenke-offered-100-million-to-settle-relocation-lawsuit-with-st-louis-per-report/


Rams owner Stan Kroenke offered $100 million to settle relocation lawsuit with St. Louis, per report
Here's why the city turned it down

By John Breech

With the NFL facing a major lawsuit in St. Louis and things starting to heat up from a legal perspective, it appears that Rams owner Stan Kroenke recently tried to put an end to the four-year lawsuit by offering a huge sum of money to settle the case.

According Front Office Sports, Kroenke made an offer of $100 million to the three entities that originally filed the lawsuit back in 2017: the city of St. Louis, St. Louis County and the Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority.

Although that's a lot of money, it wasn't enough to settle the case.

The plaintiffs decided to turn the offer down, which now sets the stage for the case to go to court with the trial expected to begin on Jan. 10. The lawsuit, which was originally filed back in April 2017, lists all 32 NFL teams and their owners as defendants. However, Kroenke has become the face of the lawsuit for the NFL because the only reason it was filed was due to the fact that he decided to move the Rams out of St. Louis. The Rams played their final season in the city back in 2015 and then moved to Los Angeles for the 2016 season.

The lawsuit was filed because the plaintiffs feel the Rams "violated the obligations and standards governing team relocations" by moving the franchise. Basically, St. Louis feels that the Rams broke the NFL's relocation guidelines when they left and the other teams are at fault because they voted to let the Rams move.

The NFL has been taking hit after hit in this case, which is likely one reason why Kroenke made a settlement offer. For one, the plaintiffs were granted access to the financial records of several prominent people in the NFL, including league commissioner Roger Goodell; owners Kroenke, Jerry Jones (Cowboys), Robert Kraft (Patriots) and John Mara (Giants); and former Panthers owner Jerry Richardson. The NFL also got shot down recently when trying to get the case moved out of St. Louis.

The fact that Kroenke offered $100 million to settle likely isn't a coincidence since the offered number just happens to match the amount of money the city of St. Louis said it lost after the Rams left.

From the lawsuit:

"The move to Los Angeles harmed Plaintiffs. The City of St. Louis has lost an estimated $1.85 - $3.5 million each year in amusement and ticket tax collections. It has lost approximately $7.5 million in property tax. It has lost approximately $1.4 million in sales tax. It has lost millions in earnings taxes. The City of St. Louis will have lost over $100 million in net proceeds."

If the plaintiffs turned down $100 million, they likely did it because they feel they can get more. One reason St. Louis is likely so optimistic is because they might have Richardson on their side. The former Panthers owner said in 2015 that the St. Louis stadium proposal met the guidelines for keeping the team. According to Front Office Sports, the other owners are worried about what Richardson might say in his testimony. Although he's a defendant, he might not necessarily feel compelled to protect the NFL since the league forced him to sell the Panthers back in 2017 after the team was hit with allegations of workplace misconduct and sexual harassment.

According to ESPN, if the NFL loses the case, some owners fear that the judgement against them might end up being more than a billion dollars. Kroenke seems to be well aware that the number could get that high, which is another reason why he likely offered a $100 million settlement.

The downside for the NFL is that if it the judgement does get into the billions, we could see total chaos among ownership. A report from ESPN has suggested that Kroenke is trying to renege on his promise to pay millions of dollars related to the lawsuit. Kroenke has been covering the legal fees in the case, but he doesn't believe he's responsible for paying the settlement if the NFL loses the case. Kroenke is reportedly thinking about suing the league to get out of the indemnification agreement he signed when the Rams moved out of St. Louis following the 2015 season.

Basically, if this starts to look like a case the NFL isn't going to win -- and it's inching in that direction each day -- the situation could get ugly for Kroenke, the league and every other defendant named in the lawsuit.

[Sassy Squatch]

Settled for $790 million.

[louie aguiar]

quite a bit of money for STL

[Rams Fan]

Settled for $790 million.

Wish it went to trial, but that seems fair to me.

[Rams Fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">6) As for the air-the-dirty laundry argument, believe me I get it. But so much of it has been aired. Kroenke registering Rams as LA business in 2010. Demoff Adios M-Fer email. Richardson calling Grubman devious. Those who are paying attention saw the laundry, in full.</p>&mdash; Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ben_Fred/status/1463537576057483267?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Didn't know Kroenke registered the Rams as a LA company in 2010. WTF LMAO

[ChiefsCountry]

Tishaura Jones and Sam Page will line their pockets with that money.

[Rams Fan]

Tishaura Jones and Sam Page will line their pockets with that money.

Probably, but there's still a lot where it should be immediately go towards.

1. Pay off the rest of the Dome.
2. Pay for Dome/Convention Center renovation.
3. Pay off the $ that went to the stadium task force.

[chiefzilla1501]

Wish it went to trial, but that seems fair to me.

That’s extremely disappointing. They have the nfl cornered. I would hope there’s more to this.

[duncan_idaho]

Looks like the city/county end up with $500M after the lawyers fees are paid off and the money spent to develop the stadium proposal.

I'm sure they won't fight tooth and nail over that. :rolleyes:

Win for the city, IMO. St. Louis stops looking like a petty ex to folks outside the region (that's the perception that seems to permeate), and it goes away before the other NFL owners run out of stall tactics.

I think this also sets up Kroenke to be the new Al Davis/villain owner of the NFL.

[Rams Fan]

That’s extremely disappointing. They have the nfl cornered. I would hope there’s more to this.

It would've taken years for this go through appeals and even then I'm not sure how much St. Louis would have been awarded. Legal fees would go up, too.

Looks like the city/county end up with $500M after the lawyers fees are paid off and the money spent to develop the stadium proposal.

I'm sure they won't fight tooth and nail over that. :rolleyes:

Win for the city, IMO. St. Louis stops looking like a petty ex to folks outside the region (that's the perception that seems to permeate), and it goes away before the other NFL owners run out of stall tactics.

I think this also sets up Kroenke to be the new Al Davis/villain owner of the NFL.

Which I don't understand this perception at all. Kroenke literally spoke to the media twice when he became majority owner in St. Louis- once after he became majority owner in 2010 and again after Fisher was named HC.

Aside from that, he was quiet. Never engaged personally with the community and let Demoff act as his mouthpiece on his behalf.

I'm not for public $ being spent on stadiums, but the effort to at least try still worked out and is why the city/county is getting $790 million. Oakland never tried(which is a reason why their suit was thrown out of court) and San Diego's effort failed after a vote.

I don't see the NFL returning to St. Louis in my lifetime, but who knows. I'd think the NBA would have a better chance at returning here, however, I don't see that happening unless the Blues ownership group was directly involved with acquiring a team.

[chiefzilla1501]

It would've taken years for this go through appeals and even then I'm not sure how much St. Louis would have been awarded. Legal fees would go up, too.



Which I don't understand this perception at all. Kroenke literally spoke to the media twice when he became majority owner in St. Louis- once after he became majority owner in 2010 and again after Fisher was named HC.

Aside from that, he was quiet. Never engaged personally with the community and let Demoff act as his mouthpiece on his behalf.

I'm not for public $ being spent on stadiums, but the effort to at least try still worked out and is why the city/county is getting $790 million. Oakland never tried(which is a reason why their suit was thrown out of court) and San Diego's effort failed after a vote.

I don't see the NFL returning to St. Louis in my lifetime, but who knows. I'd think the NBA would have a better chance at returning here, however, I don't see that happening unless the Blues ownership group was directly involved with acquiring a team.

The possibility I’m hoping for is that this was kroenke weaseling out of this and forcing the nfl to deal with the rest. Which means the nfl is still on the hook. More importantly kroenke pisses off the entire nfl.

This would go through years of appeals. But good chance before then that jerry and krafts financials get scrutinized which is a nightmare scenario for the nfl. Not to mention all the questions around nfls antitrust laws. The nfl would be racing to settle this quickly. Which is why I can’t believe they wouldn’t hold out to settle more if this is all that comes of this.

[Rams Fan]

The possibility I’m hoping for is that this was kroenke weaseling out of this and forcing the nfl to deal with the rest. Which means the nfl is still on the hook. More importantly kroenke pisses off the entire nfl.

This would go through years of appeals. But good chance before then that jerry and krafts financials get scrutinized which is a nightmare scenario for the nfl. Not to mention all the questions around nfls antitrust laws. The nfl would be racing to settle this quickly. Which is why I can’t believe they wouldn’t hold out to settle more if this is all that comes of this.

The NFL has very limited anti-trust exemption, as opposed to MLB.

[tyecopeland]

Probably a good deal for st louis. I hope the other nfl owners resent kroenke over this and bend him over on anything he tries to do in the future.

[Skyy God]

Probably a good deal for st louis. I hope the other nfl owners resent kroenke over this and bend him over on anything he tries to do in the future.

They should steal the sickly weasel he uses as a rug.

[chiefzilla1501]

The NFL has very limited anti-trust exemption, as opposed to MLB.

There has to be something to this. Like an underhanded deal for something like a future franchise. Because I just can’t understand the rush to settle for this amount. They had the nfl on the ropes

It’s not just about the money. It’s sticking it to kroenke for dicking them over. Which could have been done the more this played out. Instead the nfl and kroenke paid a few hundred mill to make billions and no damn person learned a lesson. I don’t think it’s just stl disappointed by this

[Chief Pagan]

There has to be something to this. Like an underhanded deal for something like a future franchise. Because I just can’t understand the rush to settle for this amount. They had the nfl on the ropes

It’s not just about the money. It’s sticking it to kroenke for dicking them over. Which could have been done the more this played out. Instead the nfl and kroenke paid a few hundred mill to make billions and no damn person learned a lesson. I don’t think it’s just stl disappointed by this

Why should the city of St Louis be spiteful dicks instead of maximizing the benefits to tax payers?

Or do you think they could have dragged it on for years and paid 100 of millions (?) in legal fees and have actually been assured of coming out ahead ten+ years down the road?

[chiefzilla1501]

Why should the city of St Louis be spiteful dicks instead of maximizing the benefits to tax payers?

Or do you think they could have dragged it on for years and paid 100 of millions (?) in legal fees and have actually been assured of coming out ahead ten+ years down the road?

They didn’t have to drag it out for years. Considering their leverage they could have easily gotten way more the closer it got to trial. The nfl was scared shitless and yet it feels like stl rushed to a settlement that seems disappointing. Falls way short of the damage caused and teaches nobody a lesson. This settlement was an Alex smith checkdown

[ThyKingdomCome15]

They didn’t have to drag it out for years. Considering their leverage they could have easily gotten way more the closer it got to trial. The nfl was scared shitless and yet it feels like stl rushed to a settlement that seems disappointing. Falls way short of the damage caused and teaches nobody a lesson. This settlement was an Alex smith checkdown

I disagree with that. I think it's a clear win for STL. When Dave Peacock first mentioned they would sue the NFL had the NFL not stayed true to it's guidelines. They were laughed at. The NFL didn't bat an eye. Now, it cost them no small amount of money. STL did alright with that.

[Rams Fan]

They didn’t have to drag it out for years. Considering their leverage they could have easily gotten way more the closer it got to trial. The nfl was scared shitless and yet it feels like stl rushed to a settlement that seems disappointing. Falls way short of the damage caused and teaches nobody a lesson. This settlement was an Alex smith checkdown

What do you mean the NFL was scared shitless?

The NFL outright downplayed the lawsuit from the get go and didn’t take it seriously until recently.

There’s literally nothing more that could have been accomplished from taking this trial other than rehashing of grievances that have already been aired and risking larger legal fees and delays in receiving the money through appeals.

The legal team and the stewards of the task force(such as Dave Peacock) deserve a lot of credit to even get to this point.

St. Louis was never going to get an expansion team and the talking heads who believed such as are delusional, STL homers.

[chiefzilla1501]

What do you mean the NFL was scared shitless?

The NFL outright downplayed the lawsuit from the get go and didn’t take it seriously until recently.

There’s literally nothing more that could have been accomplished from taking this trial other than rehashing of grievances that have already been aired and risking larger legal fees and delays in receiving the money through appeals.

The legal team and the stewards of the task force(such as Dave Peacock) deserve a lot of credit to even get to this point.

St. Louis was never going to get an expansion team and the talking heads who believed such as are delusional, STL homers.

Stl judge and jury. Forcing public testimony from kroenke, jerry, Kraft is a nightmare scenario. Getting into their books is a doomsday scenario. Not to mention the in fighting where kroenke was willing to screw the nfl to save himself. Hell they have smoking gun statements even without digging into the books. In addition the pr nightmare of all this happening during a sofi super bowl.

Kroenke and the nfl won huge. Stl lawyers won huge. Stl lost. $ amount that was meh at best, no kroenke testimony. Expansion is a pipe dream, sure. But they lost that AND hell fans would have been more than content to give up a few bucks if it meant hanging these guys out to dry. Has to be hard to stomach that they gave up both those things for a settlement that seems very disappointing.

[JakeF]

The only way this stops is if every city refuses to buy a new stadium. If there's always a city waiting in the wings to pay big to steal a franchise, it will continue. Too much money involved.

These billionaires can afford to build everything themselves, they just enjoy spending other people's money. KC is lucky to have solid ownership, who isn't looking to screw the city at every turn.

[Rams Fan]

Stl judge and jury. Forcing public testimony from kroenke, jerry, Kraft is a nightmare scenario. Getting into their books is a doomsday scenario. Not to mention the in fighting where kroenke was willing to screw the nfl to save himself. Hell they have smoking gun statements even without digging into the books. In addition the pr nightmare of all this happening during a sofi super bowl.

Kroenke and the nfl won huge. Stl lawyers won huge. Stl lost. $ amount that was meh at best, no kroenke testimony. Expansion is a pipe dream, sure. But they lost that AND hell fans would have been more than content to give up a few bucks if it meant hanging these guys out to dry. Has to be hard to stomach that they gave up both those things for a settlement that seems very disappointing.
Out of state residents can’t be subpoenaed for civil matters, and it’s highly unlikely their lawyers would call them to testify.

I would’ve loved to have seen a trial, but getting this amount of money for the area is better in the long run than waiting for years on a payout.

This is also way better than comparable cases like the Sonics leaving Seattle.

[Rainbarrel]

I'd rather the Raiders be in St. Louis than the Bills.

[Rams Fan]

Documents were released to the public relevant to the lawsuit.

One interesting tid-bit: The league considered moving the Raiders to St. Louis with a restructured ownership group at one point.

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/under-cover-of-darkness-the-inside-story-of-how-the-rams-worked-the-nfl-and/article_0df390b8-40d5-5ead-b78b-779cb5187f9e.html

[Lzen]

Hey Rams Fan, were you planning to ever come back to the National Champion Kansas Jayhawks thread to congratulate us?

And while you're at it, you might apologize for this idiocy.

Assuming they beat winner of VT/Purdue, I’m not afraid of anyone our (Kentucky’s) region, including Baylor.

They’d lose to Gonzaga, I think. Holmgren would be a nightmare and Grady, Tyty, and Wheeler would have to have their best 3 shooting game performance on the same day.

If we somehow rematches against Kansas fully healthy, I wouldn’t expect a blowout win, but I don’t see why the result would change in terms of who’d win .

[Rams Fan]

Hey Rams Fan, were you planning to come back to the National Champion Kansas Jayhawks thread to congratulate us?

And while you're at it, you might apologize for this idiocy.

I’ll post. BRB