Underrated thing about the Chiefs in the Dorsey/Veach era: trades.

[Direckshun]

I had a conversation and it came up that the Chiefs win all their trades.

They sure seem to, right? What trades in the Reid era, which of course includes General Managers John Dorsey and Brett Veach, can we definitively say we lost?

I think the closest you can get is some of the trade-ups in the draft, in particular the 2nd round, under Veach that ended up biting us in the tail and I think you can argue we lost those, but I think that's hard to evaluate.

As far as player-for-player, pick-for-player, or player-for-pick, I can't think of a single trade during this era where you can say "absolutely they lost that one for sure."

Maybe two seconds for Alex Smith? Hard to complain a ton about that, though.

[ptlyon]

Fuck Alex Smith

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

OK.

[smithandrew051]

He helped us win a Super Bowl, but it’s hard to argue that we won the Frank Clark trade

[htismaqe]

He helped us win a Super Bowl, but it’s hard to argue that we won the Frank Clark trade

This.

[Direckshun]

He helped us win a Super Bowl, but it’s hard to argue that we won the Frank Clark trade

This.

Do we win the Super Bowl without him?

I am not sold that we do.

[smithandrew051]

The Alex Smith trade was fine.

It kept us from drafting a bust QB that year. He did help us reclaim the Division.

Plus, we were able to flip out of him for Fuller and a third.

[Direckshun]

Oh wait!

I think we traded a 5th for Cameron Erving. :shake:

[smithandrew051]

Do we win the Super Bowl without him?

I am not sold that we do.

Probably not if you just subtract Frank Clark, but that’s only half the equation.

It depends on what we use that first round pick and all that cap space on.

[Shoes]

-Chiefs trade up for Breeland Speaks
-Chiefs trade a 7th or something for that jag Lonnie Johnson just to cut him (who cares)
-Frank Clark trade is debatable
-Marcus Peters for Thornhill + Watts (2nd/4th also debatable even though I'm glad Peters is gone)
-Book is out on Tyreek trade

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Nothing wrong with two seconds for Smith. Denver just gave up 2 firsts, 2 2nds, a starting TE, starting D-Lineman, and a backup QB for Alex Smith.

I kid (sort of).

[dlphg9]

Nothing wrong with two seconds for Smith. Denver just gave up 2 firsts, 2 2nds, a starting TE, starting D-Lineman, and a backup QB for Alex Smith.

I kid (sort of).

Russell Wilson is a weirdo douchebag, but in no realm is Alex Smith anywhere close to as talented as Russell. Not even an almost 34 year old Wilson.

[ChiefsCountry]

The two draft picks that went in Frank Clark trade were pretty underwhelming.

[Pitt Gorilla]

-Chiefs trade up for Breeland Speaks
-Chiefs trade a 7th or something for that jag Lonnie Johnson just to cut him (who cares)
-Frank Clark trade is debatable
-Marcus Peters for Thornhill + Watts (2nd/4th also debatable even though I'm glad Peters is gone)
-Book is out on Tyreek trade
So, what does the book say?

Speaks trade was certainly lost. Clark is a tough one because he was so good in that Super Bowl run.

We won the Peters trade.

[Wilson8]

-Chiefs trade up for Breeland Speaks
-Chiefs trade a 7th or something for that jag Lonnie Johnson just to cut him (who cares)
-Frank Clark trade is debatable
-Marcus Peters for Thornhill + Watts (2nd/4th also debatable even though I'm glad Peters is gone)
-Book is out on Tyreek trade

According to a new report from The Athletic’s Nate Taylor, the Kansas City Chiefs have traded for Houston Texans CB Lonnie Johnson Jr., who recently expressed on social media that he was leaving the Texans. Kansas City sent Houston a conditional 2024 seventh-round draft pick for Johnson.

Since Lonnie Johnson did not make the team, I really doubt that the Chiefs owe Houston anything since it was a conditional trade.

[smithandrew051]

-Chiefs trade up for Breeland Speaks


I might be splitting hairs here.

I see that as a bad pick and not necessarily a bad trade.

We traded 54 and 78 for 46 and 100. That isn’t necessarily a bad trade.

We just whiffed horribly with that pick. To me, that’s more of a negative in Veach’s “draft” column than his “trade” column.

I just double checked the trade value chart. We lost that trade by 20 points (the equivalent of a 6th round pick). Not a great trade, but still more of a bad pick than trade.

[MagicHef]

Russell Wilson is a weirdo douchebag, but in no realm is Alex Smith anywhere close to as talented as Russell. Not even an almost 34 year old Wilson.

You wouldn't believe the things they've talked themselves into in the Bronco thread. Today someone said that Wilson is basically the same as Bridgewater.

[Pablo]

You wouldn't believe the things they've talked themselves into in the Bronco thread. Today someone said that Wilson is basically the same as Bridgewater.

A less likable Teddy sure

[Wilson8]

Maybe the Frank Clark trade was a push.

We got one good year out of Clark. We have also been stuck with a huge albatross around our necks contract.

Seattle got DE L.J. Collier who has done nothing. Seattle traded the 2nd round pick it got from Kansas City in 2020 for two other picks and ended up with guard Damien Lewis and end Alton Robinson. Alton has been a backup DE with 44 tackles in 2 years and Damien Lewis has been a starting guard.

Maybe Seattle won because of the money that they saved in the trade.

[Wallcrawler]

He helped us win a Super Bowl, but it’s hard to argue that we won the Frank Clark trade

Let's examine this.

Why do we make trades? To improve our team.

Why? So that we can win a championship.

Frank Clark was a huge part of a culture change on defense. Bringing attitude to the defense.

His playoff run was phenomenal. Ended every game with a sack, and more importantly, talked MAD SHIT on Derrick Henry who had been taking the Souls of opposing defenses to the tune of 200+ rushing yards, and helped hold Henry to 67 yards rushing. After Henry was stoned back to back on 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1, he never saw the football again in that second half.

Talked MAD SHIT down 10 in the superbowl, even when things looked grim. Frank was shouting yall know what we bout to do. We bout to send yall asses home.

It helped keep the defense in the game. Playing hard instead of folding when the offense kept turning it over.

Has Frank been worth the money? How much does that championship mean to you?

It means everything to me. I have friends and family who died before they could see the Chiefs win it all again. It validated over two decades of loyalty despite soul crushing losses year after year.

Frank was a huge part of making that happen. He was brought in to help win a title. And we won the title.

He hasn't been great since, but we absolutely won that fucking trade.

[raybec 4]

If they can't sign OBJ or recoup something for him in another trade you could argue that giving up a 1st rounder for 2 years of "serviceable" left tackle play is a loss. We will see.

[smithandrew051]

If they can't sign OBJ or recoup something for him in another trade you could argue that giving up a 1st rounder for 2 years of "serviceable" left tackle play is a loss. We will see.

We gave up a first but got a second back.

That additional second rounder allowed us to draft both Creed and Bolton.

We can still flip out of OBJ next year if we choose.

I think that trade has been a huge success.

[Coochie liquor]

You wouldn't believe the things they've talked themselves into in the Bronco thread. Today someone said that Wilson is basically the same as Bridgewater.

Were there stats similar last season? And yeah some of you turds have talked yourself into this being Manning 2.0. It’s not

[Wilson8]

The Brett Veach 2018 trade for CB Charvarius Ward for OL Parker Ehinger with Dallas Cowboys was a big win

[RealSNR]

Do we win the Super Bowl without him?

I am not sold that we do.


The Royals don’t win a World Series without Christian Colon

[Wilson8]

Chiefs traded OL Yasir Durant to Patriots for 7th round pick which we used for CB Jaylen Watson. If Watson continues to improve, that will be a big win!

[scho63]

Dude, did you just do 5 rails of coke?

WTF with all these threads?

[Wilson8]

Oh wait!

I think we traded a 5th for Cameron Erving. :shake:

We can laugh now at this trade, but Erving was a former 1st round pick (15), he was still on his rookie contract, and the Chiefs needed backup offensive linemen. Turns out he played a lot more than we planned but without him you really had nobody.

[Wilson8]

Dude, did you just do 5 rails of coke?

WTF with all these threads?

I think it is called waiting for the NFL season to begin

[Wilson8]

Laurent Duvernay-Tardif for TE Dan Brown and part of LDT's salary.

[mabbott]

Laurent Duvernay-Tardif for TE Dan Brown and part of LDT's salary.

This!!! I would have rather kept him and had him as depth.

[Wilson8]

This one from arrowheadaddict.com

DeAndre Washington only played ten offensive snaps for Kansas City before being traded to the Miami Dolphins. The Chiefs parlayed him and a 2021 seventh-round pick into Miami’s 2021 sixth-round pick. Washington had a bigger impact in Miami’s backfield, but Veach squeezing trade value out of him is notable.

That sixth-round draft pick became quite important.

It was the 207th overall pick and one of two that the Chiefs sent to the Jets in exchange for the 162nd and 226th overall picks that year. Kansas City selected tight-end Noah Gray and offensive lineman Trey Smith with those two picks. Arguably, Veach flipped Washington into Smith, a solid guard who started all 17 games in 2021 for Kansas City. That is a huge steal.

[Wilson8]

This!!! I would have rather kept him and had him as depth.

LDT wanted to play. He got to play with Jets. LDT was closer to home. Much easier to go from New York to Montreal. Chiefs had Trey Smith. LDT would just have been a sad face on the bench. Chiefs also saved $1M,

[dlphg9]

You wouldn't believe the things they've talked themselves into in the Bronco thread. Today someone said that Wilson is basically the same as Bridgewater.

Fuck off dipshit. Just because he's better than Smith doesn't mean your shit hole team is gonna be worth a shit.

[chiefzilla1501]

I think what you can say about veach is that he’s outstanding and filling a need. If there was a tiny flaw it’s that I wish he’d anticipate. We went from a brutally bad OL to a stellar one in a single off-season. We went from a One man and one dimensional WR corps to a deep group. Have a sinking feeling we’ll be doing this same overhaul of RBs by next year.

We shouldn’t always wait for the dam to break before we fix it.

But holy hell is he good once he knows what he needs to fix

[Rausch]

I think what you can say about veach is that he’s outstanding and filling a need. If there was a tiny flaw it’s that I wish he’d anticipate. We went from a brutally bad OL to a stellar one in a single off-season. We went from a One man and one dimensional WR corps to a deep group. Have a sinking feeling we’ll be doing this same overhaul of RBs by next year.

We shouldn’t always wait for the dam to break before we fix it.

But holy hell is he good once he knows what he needs to fix

Veach is very good at trying to win every year without selling out to win in any specific year. The only year you could argue he crossed the line (Badger and Clark) it paid off...

[kccrow]

All of them, as I see them...

Win - March 12, 2013: Traded 2013 2nd round pick (34th overall subsequently traded, Justin Hunter) and 2014 2nd round pick (56th overall subsequently traded, Cody Latimer) to 49ers for Alex Smith
Win - May 1, 2013: Traded Javier Arenas to Cardinals for Anthony Sherman
Push - August 19, 2013: Traded Jonathan Baldwin to 49ers for A.J. Jenkins
Win - August 31, 2013: Traded Edgar Jones to Cowboys for 2014 6th round pick (193rd overall, Zach Fulton)
Win - May 1, 2015: Traded 2015 3rd round pick (80th overall subsequently traded, Alex Carter) and 2015 6th round pick (193rd overall, B.J. Dubose) to Vikings for 2015 3rd round pick (76th overall, Chris Conley)
Lost (but meh) - September 5, 2015: Traded Kelcie McCray to Seahawks for 2016 5th round pick (162nd overall, Kevin Hogan)
Win - April 28, 2016: Traded 2016 1st round pick (28th overall, Joshua Garnett) to 49ers for 2016 2nd round pick (37th overall, Chris Jones), 2016 4th round pick (105th overall, Parker Ehinger) and 2016 6th round pick (178th overall, D.J. White)
Win (I guess...) - April 29, 2016: Traded 2016 2nd round pick (59th overall, Roberto Aguayo) to Buccaneers for 2016 3rd round pick (74th overall, KeiVarae Russell) and 2016 4th round pick (106th overall, Eric Murray)
Push - August 27, 2016: Traded 2018 7th round pick (240th overall, Richie James) to 49ers for Kenneth Acker
Push (for KC) - September 2, 2016: Traded Marcus Cooper to Cardinals for 2018 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Jordan Mailata)
Win - September 3, 2016: Traded Rod Streater to 49ers for 2019 7th round pick (216th overall, Nick Allegretti)
Push - October 18, 2016: Traded Knile Davis to Packers for a conditional 2018 pick (not conveyed)
Win - April 27, 2017: Traded 2017 1st round pick (27th overall, Tre'Davious White), 2017 3rd round pick (91st overall subsequently traded, John Johnson) and 2018 1st round pick (22nd overall subsequently traded, Rashaan Evans) to Bills for 2017 1st round pick (10th overall, Patrick Mahomes)
Win (for a bit at least) - April 28, 2017: Traded 2017 3rd round pick (104th overall subsequently traded, C.J. Beathard), 2017 4th round pick (132nd overall subsequently traded, Donnel Pumphrey) and 2017 7th round pick (245th overall, Jack Tocho) to Vikings for 2017 3rd round pick (86th overall, Kareem Hunt)
Loss - April 28, 2017: Traded James O'Shaughnessy and 2017 6th round pick (216th overall subsequently traded, Marquez White) to Patriots for 2017 5th round pick (183rd overall, Ukeme Eligwe)
Push - April 29, 2017: Traded 2017 5th round pick (170th overall, Rodney Adams) and 2017 5th round pick (180th overall, Danny Isidora) to Vikings for 2017 4th round pick (139th overall, Jehu Chesson)
Win - July 28, 2017: Traded DJ Alexander to Seahawks for Kevin Pierre-Louis
Win - August 28, 2017: Traded 2019 4th round pick (131st overall subsequently traded, Wes Martin) to Bills for Reggie Ragland
Push (it comes full-circle...) - August 30, 2017: Traded 2018 5th round pick (159th overall subsequently traded, Daurice Fountain) to Browns for Cam Erving
Push - September 2, 2017: Traded Isaiah Battle to Seahawks for a conditional 2018 pick (not conveyed)
Trades
Win - March 14, 2018: Traded Alex Smith to Redskins for Kendall Fuller and 2018 3rd round pick (78th overall subsequently traded, Malik Jefferson)
Loss - March 14, 2018: Traded Marcus Peters and 2018 6th round pick (209th overall subsequently traded, Cornell Armstrong) to Rams for 2018 4th round pick (124th overall, Armani Watts) and 2019 2nd round pick (63rd overall, Juan Thornhill)
Loss - April 27, 2018: Traded 2018 2nd round pick (54th overall, Jessie Bates) and 2018 3rd round pick (78th overall, Malik Jefferson) to Bengals for 2018 2nd round pick (46th overall, Breeland Speaks) and 2018 3rd round pick (100th overall, Dorian O'Daniel)
Loss (could argue Push) - April 27, 2018: Traded 2018 3rd round pick (86th overall, Mark Andrews) and 2018 4th round pick (122nd overall, Kenny Young) to Ravens for 2018 3rd round pick (75th overall, Derrick Nnadi)
Push (could argue Loss) - April 28, 2018: Traded 2018 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Jordan Mailata) and 2018 7th round pick (243rd overall, Keion Crossen) to Patriots for 2018 6th round pick (198th overall, Kahlil McKenzie)
Win - August 30, 2018: Traded Parker Ehinger to Cowboys for Charvarius Ward
Win - August 31, 2018: Traded 2020 7th round pick (246th overall, Malcolm Perry) to Dolphins for Jordan Lucas
Push (Could end up big win though) - March 13, 2019: Traded Dee Ford to 49ers for 2020 2nd round pick (63rd overall, Willie Gay)
Win - April 2, 2019: Traded Eric Murray to Browns for Emmanuel Ogbah
Win - April 23, 2019: Traded 2019 1st round pick (29th overall, L.J. Collier), 2019 3rd round pick (92nd overall subsequently traded, Chuma Edoga) and 2020 2nd round pick (64th overall subsequently traded, Jeremy Chinn) to Seahawks for Frank Clark and 2019 3rd round pick (84th overall, Khalen Saunders)
Push (could argue loss) - April 26, 2019: Traded 2019 2nd round pick (61st overall, Taylor Rapp) and 2019 5th round pick (167th overall subsequently traded, Clayton Thorson) to Rams for 2019 2nd round pick (56th overall, Mecole Hardman)
Push - May 16, 2019: Traded 2020 6th round pick (211th overall subsequently traded, Isaiah Rodgers) to Jets for Darron Lee
Push - August 31, 2019: Traded Mark Fields to Vikings for a conditional 2021 pick (7th-round; not conveyed)
Loss (argue push) - August 31, 2019: Traded Carlos Hyde to Texans for Martinas Rankin
Push - April 25, 2020: Traded 2021 6th round pick (215th overall, Brady Breeze) to Titans for 2020 7th round pick (237th overall, Thakarius Keyes)
Push - November 3, 2020: Traded DeAndre Washington and 2021 7th round pick (258th overall subsequently traded, Dax Milne) to Dolphins for 2021 6th round pick (207th overall subsequently traded, Jonathan Marshall)
Jury is out but looks like Push - April 23, 2021: Traded 2021 1st round pick (31st overall, Odafe Oweh), 2021 3rd round pick (94th overall, Ben Cleveland), 2021 4th round pick (136th overall subsequently traded, Marco Wilson) and 2022 5th round pick (173rd overall subsequently traded, Marcus McKethan) to Ravens for Orlando Brown Jr., 2021 2nd round pick (58th overall, Nick Bolton) and 2022 6th round pick (191st overall subsequently traded, Jalen Nailor)
Win - May 1, 2021: Traded 2021 5th round pick (175th overall, Jason Pinnock) and 2021 6th round pick (207th overall, Jonathan Marshall) to Jets for 2021 5th round pick (162nd overall, Noah Gray) and 2021 6th round pick (226th overall, Trey Smith)
Win - May 13, 2021: Traded 2022 6th round pick (191st overall, Jalen Nailor) to Vikings for Mike Hughes and 2022 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Dareke Young)
High win probability - August 31, 2021: Traded Yasir Durant to Patriots for 2022 7th round pick (243rd overall, Jaylen Watson)
Push - November 2, 2021: Chiefs sent Laurent Duvernay-Tardif to Jets. Broncos sent Kary Vincent to Eagles. Jets sent Daniel Brown to Chiefs. Eagles sent 2022 6th round pick (206th overall, Matt Henningsen) to Broncos.
Push, probably - November 2, 2021: Traded 2022 6th round pick (208th overall, Connor Heyward) to Steelers for Melvin Ingram

[Pitt Gorilla]

If they can't sign OBJ or recoup something for him in another trade you could argue that giving up a 1st rounder for 2 years of "serviceable" left tackle play is a loss. We will see.

Not even close to a loss. We got a good LT for 2 years minimum AND Nick Bolton. Not bad for a first rounder (and some other stuff).

[kccrow]

Not even close to a loss. We got a good LT for 2 years minimum AND Nick Bolton. Not bad for a first rounder (and some other stuff).

It will definitely be a win or push in my mind but I get raybec thinking it's a potential loss if OBJ doesn't re-sign. Oweh looks like he could end up a pretty good end and Marco Wilson started last year at CB for Arizona (the 4th rounder in the deal Bal traded). If Cleveland ends up a starting LG for BAL it gets pretty narrow. We'll have to see it through another year.

[Buehler445]

My position is that this is why there were no 11th hour trades of cuts.

Guys got tired of getting traffic cones in exchange for fringe players.

[Direckshun]

Dude, did you just do 5 rails of coke?

WTF with all these threads?

Would you… like fewer football threads?

[Direckshun]

Laurent Duvernay-Tardif for TE Dan Brown and part of LDT's salary.

This is a good one.

[Direckshun]

Chiefs traded OL Yasir Durant to Patriots for 7th round pick which we used for CB Jaylen Watson. If Watson continues to improve, that will be a big win!

Wowwwww I didn’t put that one together.

Damn. Chiefs just flipped a OL for a starting caliber CB *again*.

[Direckshun]

We gave up a first but got a second back.

That additional second rounder allowed us to draft both Creed and Bolton.

We can still flip out of OBJ next year if we choose.

I think that trade has been a huge success.

Put me down as agreeing on this.

The OBJ trade was a coup. I forget if we got Creed or Bolton with that 2nd but either player is going to be a Pro Bowler.

[Direckshun]

All of them, as I see them...

Win - March 12, 2013: Traded 2013 2nd round pick (34th overall subsequently traded, Justin Hunter) and 2014 2nd round pick (56th overall subsequently traded, Cody Latimer) to 49ers for Alex Smith
Win - May 1, 2013: Traded Javier Arenas to Cardinals for Anthony Sherman
Push - August 19, 2013: Traded Jonathan Baldwin to 49ers for A.J. Jenkins
Win - August 31, 2013: Traded Edgar Jones to Cowboys for 2014 6th round pick (193rd overall, Zach Fulton)
Win - May 1, 2015: Traded 2015 3rd round pick (80th overall subsequently traded, Alex Carter) and 2015 6th round pick (193rd overall, B.J. Dubose) to Vikings for 2015 3rd round pick (76th overall, Chris Conley)
Lost (but meh) - September 5, 2015: Traded Kelcie McCray to Seahawks for 2016 5th round pick (162nd overall, Kevin Hogan)
Win - April 28, 2016: Traded 2016 1st round pick (28th overall, Joshua Garnett) to 49ers for 2016 2nd round pick (37th overall, Chris Jones), 2016 4th round pick (105th overall, Parker Ehinger) and 2016 6th round pick (178th overall, D.J. White)
Win (I guess...) - April 29, 2016: Traded 2016 2nd round pick (59th overall, Roberto Aguayo) to Buccaneers for 2016 3rd round pick (74th overall, KeiVarae Russell) and 2016 4th round pick (106th overall, Eric Murray)
Push - August 27, 2016: Traded 2018 7th round pick (240th overall, Richie James) to 49ers for Kenneth Acker
Push (for KC) - September 2, 2016: Traded Marcus Cooper to Cardinals for 2018 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Jordan Mailata)
Win - September 3, 2016: Traded Rod Streater to 49ers for 2019 7th round pick (216th overall, Nick Allegretti)
Push - October 18, 2016: Traded Knile Davis to Packers for a conditional 2018 pick (not conveyed)
Win - April 27, 2017: Traded 2017 1st round pick (27th overall, Tre'Davious White), 2017 3rd round pick (91st overall subsequently traded, John Johnson) and 2018 1st round pick (22nd overall subsequently traded, Rashaan Evans) to Bills for 2017 1st round pick (10th overall, Patrick Mahomes)
Win (for a bit at least) - April 28, 2017: Traded 2017 3rd round pick (104th overall subsequently traded, C.J. Beathard), 2017 4th round pick (132nd overall subsequently traded, Donnel Pumphrey) and 2017 7th round pick (245th overall, Jack Tocho) to Vikings for 2017 3rd round pick (86th overall, Kareem Hunt)
Loss - April 28, 2017: Traded James O'Shaughnessy and 2017 6th round pick (216th overall subsequently traded, Marquez White) to Patriots for 2017 5th round pick (183rd overall, Ukeme Eligwe)
Push - April 29, 2017: Traded 2017 5th round pick (170th overall, Rodney Adams) and 2017 5th round pick (180th overall, Danny Isidora) to Vikings for 2017 4th round pick (139th overall, Jehu Chesson)
Win - July 28, 2017: Traded DJ Alexander to Seahawks for Kevin Pierre-Louis
Win - August 28, 2017: Traded 2019 4th round pick (131st overall subsequently traded, Wes Martin) to Bills for Reggie Ragland
Push (it comes full-circle...) - August 30, 2017: Traded 2018 5th round pick (159th overall subsequently traded, Daurice Fountain) to Browns for Cam Erving
Push - September 2, 2017: Traded Isaiah Battle to Seahawks for a conditional 2018 pick (not conveyed)
Trades
Win - March 14, 2018: Traded Alex Smith to Redskins for Kendall Fuller and 2018 3rd round pick (78th overall subsequently traded, Malik Jefferson)
Loss - March 14, 2018: Traded Marcus Peters and 2018 6th round pick (209th overall subsequently traded, Cornell Armstrong) to Rams for 2018 4th round pick (124th overall, Armani Watts) and 2019 2nd round pick (63rd overall, Juan Thornhill)
Loss - April 27, 2018: Traded 2018 2nd round pick (54th overall, Jessie Bates) and 2018 3rd round pick (78th overall, Malik Jefferson) to Bengals for 2018 2nd round pick (46th overall, Breeland Speaks) and 2018 3rd round pick (100th overall, Dorian O'Daniel)
Loss (could argue Push) - April 27, 2018: Traded 2018 3rd round pick (86th overall, Mark Andrews) and 2018 4th round pick (122nd overall, Kenny Young) to Ravens for 2018 3rd round pick (75th overall, Derrick Nnadi)
Push (could argue Loss) - April 28, 2018: Traded 2018 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Jordan Mailata) and 2018 7th round pick (243rd overall, Keion Crossen) to Patriots for 2018 6th round pick (198th overall, Kahlil McKenzie)
Win - August 30, 2018: Traded Parker Ehinger to Cowboys for Charvarius Ward
Win - August 31, 2018: Traded 2020 7th round pick (246th overall, Malcolm Perry) to Dolphins for Jordan Lucas
Push (Could end up big win though) - March 13, 2019: Traded Dee Ford to 49ers for 2020 2nd round pick (63rd overall, Willie Gay)
Win - April 2, 2019: Traded Eric Murray to Browns for Emmanuel Ogbah
Win - April 23, 2019: Traded 2019 1st round pick (29th overall, L.J. Collier), 2019 3rd round pick (92nd overall subsequently traded, Chuma Edoga) and 2020 2nd round pick (64th overall subsequently traded, Jeremy Chinn) to Seahawks for Frank Clark and 2019 3rd round pick (84th overall, Khalen Saunders)
Push (could argue loss) - April 26, 2019: Traded 2019 2nd round pick (61st overall, Taylor Rapp) and 2019 5th round pick (167th overall subsequently traded, Clayton Thorson) to Rams for 2019 2nd round pick (56th overall, Mecole Hardman)
Push - May 16, 2019: Traded 2020 6th round pick (211th overall subsequently traded, Isaiah Rodgers) to Jets for Darron Lee
Push - August 31, 2019: Traded Mark Fields to Vikings for a conditional 2021 pick (7th-round; not conveyed)
Loss (argue push) - August 31, 2019: Traded Carlos Hyde to Texans for Martinas Rankin
Push - April 25, 2020: Traded 2021 6th round pick (215th overall, Brady Breeze) to Titans for 2020 7th round pick (237th overall, Thakarius Keyes)
Push - November 3, 2020: Traded DeAndre Washington and 2021 7th round pick (258th overall subsequently traded, Dax Milne) to Dolphins for 2021 6th round pick (207th overall subsequently traded, Jonathan Marshall)
Jury is out but looks like Push - April 23, 2021: Traded 2021 1st round pick (31st overall, Odafe Oweh), 2021 3rd round pick (94th overall, Ben Cleveland), 2021 4th round pick (136th overall subsequently traded, Marco Wilson) and 2022 5th round pick (173rd overall subsequently traded, Marcus McKethan) to Ravens for Orlando Brown Jr., 2021 2nd round pick (58th overall, Nick Bolton) and 2022 6th round pick (191st overall subsequently traded, Jalen Nailor)
Win - May 1, 2021: Traded 2021 5th round pick (175th overall, Jason Pinnock) and 2021 6th round pick (207th overall, Jonathan Marshall) to Jets for 2021 5th round pick (162nd overall, Noah Gray) and 2021 6th round pick (226th overall, Trey Smith)
Win - May 13, 2021: Traded 2022 6th round pick (191st overall, Jalen Nailor) to Vikings for Mike Hughes and 2022 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Dareke Young)
High win probability - August 31, 2021: Traded Yasir Durant to Patriots for 2022 7th round pick (243rd overall, Jaylen Watson)
Push - November 2, 2021: Chiefs sent Laurent Duvernay-Tardif to Jets. Broncos sent Kary Vincent to Eagles. Jets sent Daniel Brown to Chiefs. Eagles sent 2022 6th round pick (206th overall, Matt Henningsen) to Broncos.
Push, probably - November 2, 2021: Traded 2022 6th round pick (208th overall, Connor Heyward) to Steelers for Melvin Ingram

The win-push-loss assessment here:

20 W
15 P
7 L

[Jewish Rabbi]

All of them, as I see them...

Win - March 12, 2013: Traded 2013 2nd round pick (34th overall subsequently traded, Justin Hunter) and 2014 2nd round pick (56th overall subsequently traded, Cody Latimer) to 49ers for Alex Smith
Win - May 1, 2013: Traded Javier Arenas to Cardinals for Anthony Sherman
Push - August 19, 2013: Traded Jonathan Baldwin to 49ers for A.J. Jenkins
Win - August 31, 2013: Traded Edgar Jones to Cowboys for 2014 6th round pick (193rd overall, Zach Fulton)
Win - May 1, 2015: Traded 2015 3rd round pick (80th overall subsequently traded, Alex Carter) and 2015 6th round pick (193rd overall, B.J. Dubose) to Vikings for 2015 3rd round pick (76th overall, Chris Conley)
Lost (but meh) - September 5, 2015: Traded Kelcie McCray to Seahawks for 2016 5th round pick (162nd overall, Kevin Hogan)
Win - April 28, 2016: Traded 2016 1st round pick (28th overall, Joshua Garnett) to 49ers for 2016 2nd round pick (37th overall, Chris Jones), 2016 4th round pick (105th overall, Parker Ehinger) and 2016 6th round pick (178th overall, D.J. White)
Win (I guess...) - April 29, 2016: Traded 2016 2nd round pick (59th overall, Roberto Aguayo) to Buccaneers for 2016 3rd round pick (74th overall, KeiVarae Russell) and 2016 4th round pick (106th overall, Eric Murray)
Push - August 27, 2016: Traded 2018 7th round pick (240th overall, Richie James) to 49ers for Kenneth Acker
Push (for KC) - September 2, 2016: Traded Marcus Cooper to Cardinals for 2018 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Jordan Mailata)
Win - September 3, 2016: Traded Rod Streater to 49ers for 2019 7th round pick (216th overall, Nick Allegretti)
Push - October 18, 2016: Traded Knile Davis to Packers for a conditional 2018 pick (not conveyed)
Win - April 27, 2017: Traded 2017 1st round pick (27th overall, Tre'Davious White), 2017 3rd round pick (91st overall subsequently traded, John Johnson) and 2018 1st round pick (22nd overall subsequently traded, Rashaan Evans) to Bills for 2017 1st round pick (10th overall, Patrick Mahomes)
Win (for a bit at least) - April 28, 2017: Traded 2017 3rd round pick (104th overall subsequently traded, C.J. Beathard), 2017 4th round pick (132nd overall subsequently traded, Donnel Pumphrey) and 2017 7th round pick (245th overall, Jack Tocho) to Vikings for 2017 3rd round pick (86th overall, Kareem Hunt)
Loss - April 28, 2017: Traded James O'Shaughnessy and 2017 6th round pick (216th overall subsequently traded, Marquez White) to Patriots for 2017 5th round pick (183rd overall, Ukeme Eligwe)
Push - April 29, 2017: Traded 2017 5th round pick (170th overall, Rodney Adams) and 2017 5th round pick (180th overall, Danny Isidora) to Vikings for 2017 4th round pick (139th overall, Jehu Chesson)
Win - July 28, 2017: Traded DJ Alexander to Seahawks for Kevin Pierre-Louis
Win - August 28, 2017: Traded 2019 4th round pick (131st overall subsequently traded, Wes Martin) to Bills for Reggie Ragland
Push (it comes full-circle...) - August 30, 2017: Traded 2018 5th round pick (159th overall subsequently traded, Daurice Fountain) to Browns for Cam Erving
Push - September 2, 2017: Traded Isaiah Battle to Seahawks for a conditional 2018 pick (not conveyed)
Trades
Win - March 14, 2018: Traded Alex Smith to Redskins for Kendall Fuller and 2018 3rd round pick (78th overall subsequently traded, Malik Jefferson)
Loss - March 14, 2018: Traded Marcus Peters and 2018 6th round pick (209th overall subsequently traded, Cornell Armstrong) to Rams for 2018 4th round pick (124th overall, Armani Watts) and 2019 2nd round pick (63rd overall, Juan Thornhill)
Loss - April 27, 2018: Traded 2018 2nd round pick (54th overall, Jessie Bates) and 2018 3rd round pick (78th overall, Malik Jefferson) to Bengals for 2018 2nd round pick (46th overall, Breeland Speaks) and 2018 3rd round pick (100th overall, Dorian O'Daniel)
Loss (could argue Push) - April 27, 2018: Traded 2018 3rd round pick (86th overall, Mark Andrews) and 2018 4th round pick (122nd overall, Kenny Young) to Ravens for 2018 3rd round pick (75th overall, Derrick Nnadi)
Push (could argue Loss) - April 28, 2018: Traded 2018 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Jordan Mailata) and 2018 7th round pick (243rd overall, Keion Crossen) to Patriots for 2018 6th round pick (198th overall, Kahlil McKenzie)
Win - August 30, 2018: Traded Parker Ehinger to Cowboys for Charvarius Ward
Win - August 31, 2018: Traded 2020 7th round pick (246th overall, Malcolm Perry) to Dolphins for Jordan Lucas
Push (Could end up big win though) - March 13, 2019: Traded Dee Ford to 49ers for 2020 2nd round pick (63rd overall, Willie Gay)
Win - April 2, 2019: Traded Eric Murray to Browns for Emmanuel Ogbah
Win - April 23, 2019: Traded 2019 1st round pick (29th overall, L.J. Collier), 2019 3rd round pick (92nd overall subsequently traded, Chuma Edoga) and 2020 2nd round pick (64th overall subsequently traded, Jeremy Chinn) to Seahawks for Frank Clark and 2019 3rd round pick (84th overall, Khalen Saunders)
Push (could argue loss) - April 26, 2019: Traded 2019 2nd round pick (61st overall, Taylor Rapp) and 2019 5th round pick (167th overall subsequently traded, Clayton Thorson) to Rams for 2019 2nd round pick (56th overall, Mecole Hardman)
Push - May 16, 2019: Traded 2020 6th round pick (211th overall subsequently traded, Isaiah Rodgers) to Jets for Darron Lee
Push - August 31, 2019: Traded Mark Fields to Vikings for a conditional 2021 pick (7th-round; not conveyed)
Loss (argue push) - August 31, 2019: Traded Carlos Hyde to Texans for Martinas Rankin
Push - April 25, 2020: Traded 2021 6th round pick (215th overall, Brady Breeze) to Titans for 2020 7th round pick (237th overall, Thakarius Keyes)
Push - November 3, 2020: Traded DeAndre Washington and 2021 7th round pick (258th overall subsequently traded, Dax Milne) to Dolphins for 2021 6th round pick (207th overall subsequently traded, Jonathan Marshall)
Jury is out but looks like Push - April 23, 2021: Traded 2021 1st round pick (31st overall, Odafe Oweh), 2021 3rd round pick (94th overall, Ben Cleveland), 2021 4th round pick (136th overall subsequently traded, Marco Wilson) and 2022 5th round pick (173rd overall subsequently traded, Marcus McKethan) to Ravens for Orlando Brown Jr., 2021 2nd round pick (58th overall, Nick Bolton) and 2022 6th round pick (191st overall subsequently traded, Jalen Nailor)
Win - May 1, 2021: Traded 2021 5th round pick (175th overall, Jason Pinnock) and 2021 6th round pick (207th overall, Jonathan Marshall) to Jets for 2021 5th round pick (162nd overall, Noah Gray) and 2021 6th round pick (226th overall, Trey Smith)
Win - May 13, 2021: Traded 2022 6th round pick (191st overall, Jalen Nailor) to Vikings for Mike Hughes and 2022 7th round pick (233rd overall subsequently traded, Dareke Young)
High win probability - August 31, 2021: Traded Yasir Durant to Patriots for 2022 7th round pick (243rd overall, Jaylen Watson)
Push - November 2, 2021: Chiefs sent Laurent Duvernay-Tardif to Jets. Broncos sent Kary Vincent to Eagles. Jets sent Daniel Brown to Chiefs. Eagles sent 2022 6th round pick (206th overall, Matt Henningsen) to Broncos.
Push, probably - November 2, 2021: Traded 2022 6th round pick (208th overall, Connor Heyward) to Steelers for Melvin Ingram

Okay

[mnchiefsguy]

Gotta disagree with kccrow on the Dee Ford trade---considering he played he played only a handful of snaps for the 49ers and was injured the whole time, and we got a starting LB in Willie Gay--that is a total win.

[chiefzilla1501]

Veach is very good at trying to win every year without selling out to win in any specific year. The only year you could argue he crossed the line (Badger and Clark) it paid off...

Yeah, we got real lucky. He's one hell of a gm.

I just think sometimes he makes these moves a year late. again it's 100% nitpicking. But I think many would argue that last year, for example, we should have known that our receivers were a poor fit for how defenses were adjusting to us. Just as the prior year it shouldn't have taken mahomes taking cannonballs to the chest in the super bowl to realize we needed at least some help on the OL. It wouldn't have taken much. We just needed a single decent interior OL or a single short route WR in each of those years.