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O.city
08-29-2023, 11:53 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Intra-division trade: With Chris Jones still holding out, the Chiefs traded a sixth-round draft pick to the Las Vegas Raiders for DT Neil Farrell, per sources.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1696580406810722410?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Strongside
08-29-2023, 11:53 AM
Definitely interesting

carcosa
08-29-2023, 11:56 AM
PRINT EM!!!!

Bl00dyBizkitz
08-29-2023, 11:56 AM
Sounds to me like Chris Jones is holding out indefinitely. Not surprising but pretty shitty nonetheless.

TribalElder
08-29-2023, 11:56 AM
YES! BRING ON THE FATTIES!!!!!!!

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O.city
08-29-2023, 11:57 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch Neil Farrell Jr. eliminate the RG <a href="https://t.co/KHGoQ6bSNo">pic.twitter.com/KHGoQ6bSNo</a></p>&mdash; John m (@john_m_98) <a href="https://twitter.com/john_m_98/status/1690897567222251520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hammock Parties
08-29-2023, 11:58 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Neil Farrell has been really dominant in preseason for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a>. <a href="https://t.co/pEDN2D015M">pic.twitter.com/pEDN2D015M</a></p>&mdash; Sanjit T. (@Sanjit__T) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sanjit__T/status/1564470439769829378?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Coochie liquor
08-29-2023, 11:58 AM
Wow, can’t believe a division team would trade us anything. Dude is probably a mile for McDouche!

FANATIC
08-29-2023, 11:58 AM
Chris Jones screwed the Chiefs and Fans. Selfish Ass needs to be dealt next year.

Cost the Chiefs cap room for another FA signing and now a 6th round pick for a scrub. Add to that a couple of extra loses if he sits out.

Skyy God
08-29-2023, 11:58 AM
Sounds to me like Chris Jones is holding out indefinitely. Not surprising but pretty shitty nonetheless.

CJ can indefinitely go fuck himself.

DJ's left nut
08-29-2023, 12:01 PM
May just be going with a conventional 'spags' setup on the DL with a heavy interior to occupy double teams and blitzes and edge rushers to pick up the slack.

They built the pass rush around Jones last season and freeing him up. They don't HAVE to do it that way.

Next man up....

Megatron96
08-29-2023, 12:02 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Neil Farrell has been really dominant in preseason for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a>. <a href="https://t.co/pEDN2D015M">pic.twitter.com/pEDN2D015M</a></p>&mdash; Sanjit T. (@Sanjit__T) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sanjit__T/status/1564470439769829378?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



That was an awful rep by the NE C. Was that the starting OL?

RunKC
08-29-2023, 12:03 PM
This feels like a Nnadi replacement. God that guy declined rather quickly.

O.city
08-29-2023, 12:03 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs traded a sixth-round draft pick to the Las Vegas Raiders for DT Neil Farrell, sources confirm to <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthletic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@theathletic</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AdamSchefter</a> with it first. <br><br>Moves in case the team has to live in a world without their star defensive player Chris Jones who still has not shown up and wants…</p>&mdash; Dianna Russini (@DMRussini) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMRussini/status/1696584125493243963?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

notorious
08-29-2023, 12:03 PM
Chris Jones screwed the Chiefs and Fans. Selfish Ass needs to be dealt next year.

Cost the Chiefs cap room for another FA signing and now a 6th round pick for a scrub. Add to that a couple of extra loses if he sits out.

wbf

MarkDavis'Haircut
08-29-2023, 12:05 PM
Wow, can’t believe a division team would trade us anything. Dude is probably a mile for McDouche!

I wish McVision would trade me.

The dude is a complete insult to the organization.

ptlyon
08-29-2023, 12:06 PM
May just be going with a conventional 'spags' setup on the DL with a heavy interior to occupy double teams and blitzes and edge rushers to pick up the slack.

They built the pass rush around Jones last season and freeing him up. They don't HAVE to do it that way.

Next man up....

Yeah, this is a big FU to CJ

FANATIC
08-29-2023, 12:06 PM
So the Fucking Raiders dont need this guy. What does that say about KC? Sad. Thanks Jones

O.city
08-29-2023, 12:07 PM
Kinda wonder about Wharton's health too

notorious
08-29-2023, 12:07 PM
So the ****ing Raiders dont need this guy. What does that say about KC? Sad. Thanks Jones

The Raiders have excellent personnel evaluation and have never let decent players go.

FANATIC
08-29-2023, 12:11 PM
The Raiders have excellent personnel evaluation and have never let decent players go.

LOL. They had to have a decent evaluation to draft a decent player but not good enough to see his real potential?

staylor26
08-29-2023, 12:11 PM
So the Fucking Raiders dont need this guy. What does that say about KC? Sad. Thanks Jones

JFC shut up you whiny cunt.

Simply Red
08-29-2023, 12:12 PM
I belief

Old Dog
08-29-2023, 12:14 PM
So the Fucking Raiders dont need this guy. What does that say about KC? Sad. Thanks Jones

You should post less

FANATIC
08-29-2023, 12:15 PM
You should post less

My mistake. Did not know this is a be positive cult board. No real conversations allowed.

ChiTown
08-29-2023, 12:15 PM
CJ can indefinitely go fuck himself.

Meh. CJ is free to do whatever he feels like he needs to do in order to satisfy his future needs. I don't like it as a fan, but I understand it. Likewise, we aren't going to stand still and wait for him to come back. The bus is moving forward. If he's not on it, too fucking bad.

This team has proven it can keep winning when a superstar moves on. One thing is for sure, without CJ, it certainly puts more pressure on PMII and the O to be as efficient and effective as they have ever been.


LET'S FUCKING ROLL!

digger
08-29-2023, 12:16 PM
First Carr and now this guy... The Faiders.... LOLOLOLOLOL

RaidersOftheCellar
08-29-2023, 12:17 PM
This feels like a Nnadi replacement. God that guy declined rather quickly.

I'm already convinced he's better than Nnadi.

MarkDavis'Haircut
08-29-2023, 12:17 PM
The Raiders have excellent personnel evaluation and have never let decent players go.

There is no way you wrote that with a straight face. ROFL

Mecca
08-29-2023, 12:17 PM
Yeah, this is a big FU to CJ

Not really, even if Jones comes back DT depth is a huge need.

RaidersOftheCellar
08-29-2023, 12:19 PM
I think they wanted another DT even before the Jones situation. Plus, Shelton was just cut.

FANATIC
08-29-2023, 12:19 PM
Not really, even if Jones comes back DT depth is a huge need.

Yep.

Cut DT Danny Shelton

kysirsoze
08-29-2023, 12:19 PM
My mistake. Did not know this is a be positive cult board. No real conversations allowed.

Tell me anything you actually know about this guy other than he came from the Raiders. I can't wait for your "real conversation".

Woogieman
08-29-2023, 12:19 PM
I'm already convinced he's better than Nnadi.

I thought the same of Danny Shelton :hmmm:

Mecca
08-29-2023, 12:21 PM
I thought the same of Danny Shelton :hmmm:

Also the Chiefs seem to not be comfortable at all with Danny Shelton being anything more than a vet that sits on the PS as a just in case all year, the idea of him playing meaningful snaps doesn't seem to jive with them at all.

Eureka
08-29-2023, 12:21 PM
Well the Raiders front office have been turning over that roster fairly quickly.

The Raiders haven't had a decent DT since Seymour.

ptlyon
08-29-2023, 12:21 PM
Not really, even if Jones comes back DT depth is a huge need.

Meaning in the terms of "yeah, you do whatever you gotta do and we'll do the same".

Rainbarrel
08-29-2023, 12:22 PM
Leavenworth delousing will probably be refreshing

Gary Cooper
08-29-2023, 12:23 PM
He went to LSU?

Is he better then Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson?

FANATIC
08-29-2023, 12:24 PM
Tell me anything you actually know about this guy other than he came from the Raiders. I can't wait for your "real conversation".

#1 Its not really my point. Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal. Thats my biggest frustration. So its not as much the deal as the why.

#2 If the guy is anything special he would not be dealt by the Raiders to a division opponent.

ChiTown
08-29-2023, 12:25 PM
He went to LSU?

Is he better then Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2F8ff32f68335cf2092039451047a19ba1%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3 D13228278&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=288cc2279ff49bd465326756122b1242c1aa06ec14a12f6b08ebf952c37a3e71&ipo=images

wazu
08-29-2023, 12:26 PM
#1 Its not really my point. Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal. Thats my biggest frustration. So its not as much the deal as the why.

#2 If the guy is anything special he would not be dealt by the Raiders to a division opponent.

We weren't exactly stacked at the position even WITH Jones. This guy was a 2022 4th round pick, so we have him on his rookie contract for 3 years. I know nothing about him, but was expecting us to make some moves to help the position. Thought we'd be settling for guys at the cutdown.

Mecca
08-29-2023, 12:27 PM
We also have 1 DT under contract for next year...well 2 now.

FANATIC
08-29-2023, 12:28 PM
We weren't exactly stacked at the position even WITH Jones. This guy was a 2022 4th round pick, so we have him on his rookie contract for 3 years. I know nothing about him, but was expecting us to make some moves to help the position. Thought we'd be settling for guys at the cutdown.

Agree. That may be the reason. Hope you are on to something.

wazu
08-29-2023, 12:29 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s my report on Neil Farrell when he was coming out in the 2022 NFL Draft <a href="https://t.co/Skf95MKc3d">pic.twitter.com/Skf95MKc3d</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1696585954297786490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Woogieman
08-29-2023, 12:29 PM
Also the Chiefs seem to not be comfortable at all with Danny Shelton being anything more than a vet that sits on the PS as a just in case all year, the idea of him playing meaningful snaps doesn't seem to jive with them at all.

I saw the Chiefs cut him just after I posted that...I think you're right though, looks like a PS return

LoneWolf
08-29-2023, 12:30 PM
#1 Its not really my point. Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal. Thats my biggest frustration. So its not as much the deal as the why.

#2 If the guy is anything special he would not be dealt by the Raiders to a division opponent.

JFC, you daft cunt, Jones and Farrell play different positions. "Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal" is a stupid fucking comment. As for #2, there is plenty of recent evidence that the Raiders are dumb as fuck when it comes to dealing talent. Look no further than getting rid of Carr to bring in Jimmy Grapes as a prime example.

FANATIC
08-29-2023, 12:31 PM
I saw the Chiefs cut him just after I posted that...I think you're right though, looks like a PS return

I think Shelton has stated he will not go on the PS.

TwistedChief
08-29-2023, 12:32 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s my report on Neil Farrell when he was coming out in the 2022 NFL Draft <a href="https://t.co/Skf95MKc3d">pic.twitter.com/Skf95MKc3d</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1696585954297786490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So he’s a higher upside 1 tech than Nnadi and Shelton? I can get behind that.

O.city
08-29-2023, 12:32 PM
He was a real good run stopper at LSU.

Rasputin
08-29-2023, 12:33 PM
The Raiders would have ruined his career. However as a Chief he is HOF bound.



GO CHIEFS

Print Em'

MarkDavis'Haircut
08-29-2023, 12:35 PM
The Raiders would have ruined his career. However as a Chief he is HOF bound.



GO CHIEFS

Print Em'

Hard to disagree.

The Raiders have ruined plenty of players over the last 20 years.

Mecca
08-29-2023, 12:35 PM
I think Shelton has stated he will not go on the PS.

He was on it all year last year, if he feels that way then his career is over.

Rainbarrel
08-29-2023, 12:35 PM
Okay Jones I'am ready to blitz and make up

Mecca
08-29-2023, 12:37 PM
Okay Jones I'am ready to blitz and make up

At this point all this is, is how stupid is Jones, if he has a brain he'll report, play out the year and go to FA.

If he doesn't report and misses real games he's a total moron.

carcosa
08-29-2023, 12:39 PM
I belief

I Belief in Chief tbh

Woogieman
08-29-2023, 12:41 PM
This move was obviously made just for the Eagles scrum downs.

PHOG
08-29-2023, 12:54 PM
Joe Cullen will put some pep in his step.

FANATIC
08-29-2023, 12:55 PM
JFC, you daft ****, Jones and Farrell play different positions. "Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal" is a stupid ****ing comment. As for #2, there is plenty of recent evidence that the Raiders are dumb as **** when it comes to dealing talent. Look no further than getting rid of Carr to bring in Jimmy Grapes as a prime example.

Thanks for your kind words and educating me. Good for you. ROFL

xztop123
08-29-2023, 12:56 PM
He’s first down and maybe second down rotational player. And for that job he’s very good.

I like heavily rotating d linemen. 3 down fatties get too gassed.

Discuss Thrower
08-29-2023, 12:57 PM
Trading within the division?

Yeesh.

wazu
08-29-2023, 12:59 PM
Trading within the division?

Yeesh.

Why not? Never understood this obsessive worry. Unless we think our GM is dumber than theirs. I don't.

Mecca
08-29-2023, 01:00 PM
JFC, you daft cunt, Jones and Farrell play different positions. "Thanks to Jones KC is making this deal" is a stupid fucking comment. As for #2, there is plenty of recent evidence that the Raiders are dumb as fuck when it comes to dealing talent. Look no further than getting rid of Carr to bring in Jimmy Grapes as a prime example.

In all actuality once Jones is gone the Chiefs may carry 4 NT types and shift DE's inside when they want pass rush out of the spot.

Mecca
08-29-2023, 01:05 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s what was said about Neil Farrell Jr when he was selected by the Raiders in the 4th round, 126 overall of last years draft. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/7xpZxX6ZkP">pic.twitter.com/7xpZxX6ZkP</a></p>&mdash; Arrowhead Live (@ArrowheadLive) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadLive/status/1696585954994114912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

xztop123
08-29-2023, 01:06 PM
Good school. Fairly high round pick on rookie contract for a 6th rounder.

Seems like a steal to me.

Discuss Thrower
08-29-2023, 01:06 PM
Why not? Never understood this obsessive worry. Unless we think our GM is dumber than theirs. I don't.

Oakland perspective: why should we trade a decent player to a superior rival?

KC perspective: how good is this guy if they're willing to trade him to us and they've been garbage for nearly a half decade?

xztop123
08-29-2023, 01:09 PM
In all actuality once Jones is gone the Chiefs may carry 4 NT types and shift DE's inside when they want pass rush out of the spot.

I don’t see why it would be 4.

The nt types would
Be used first down and sometimes second and almost never third.

You’d really need a lot of de for this type of scheme and maybe 2-3 legit nt fatties

Mecca
08-29-2023, 01:10 PM
I don’t see why it would be 4.

The nt types would
Be used first down and sometimes second and almost never third.

You’d really need a lot of de for this type of scheme and maybe 2-3 legit nt fatties

Because ends like Jones are extremely difficult to find, the idea is to stuff the middle no matter what.

New World Order
08-29-2023, 01:10 PM
A trade with the Raiders.

Is this sone type of bizarro world?

MarkDavis'Haircut
08-29-2023, 01:13 PM
I read somewhere that Ziegler told Farrell that he would get him a Super Bowl ring. I think this is just following thru on that promise.

RollChiefsRoll
08-29-2023, 01:19 PM
When’s the last time the Chiefs made a trade with the Raiders?

dannybcaitlyn
08-29-2023, 01:22 PM
He Must suck if your willing to let him go to a division rival.

BossChief
08-29-2023, 01:40 PM
I bet Veach had a somewhat high grade on him coming out of LSU and made the call thinking Cullen could get more out of him than the Raiders could.

DJ's left nut
08-29-2023, 01:44 PM
Because ends like Jones are extremely difficult to find, the idea is to stuff the middle no matter what.

Yup.

Could just be indicative of a scheme shift. You don't replace Chris Jones - he's pretty much a unicorn.

Instead you just clog the shit out of the middle, tell them to shove their asses off, use 2 to occupy 3 and give yourselves a numbers advantage.

You may see some twists/curls with LBs off the edge, but in this scenario, I can't imagine you'll be seeing many interior stunts, etc...

Without Jones, you don't try to do the same thing with a guy who ISN'T Jones. You just do a new thing. That new thing may just be 3 NTs and a guy like Wharton or Dana who can sub in as a NASCAR DT and then you just hope your edge rushers are developing.

Man, they're asking a LOT from FAU at the moment. And they sure seem to be leaning into Karlaftis as a 10 sack guy.

O.city
08-29-2023, 01:46 PM
Yup.

Could just be indicative of a scheme shift. You don't replace Chris Jones - he's pretty much a unicorn.

Instead you just clog the shit out of the middle, tell them to shove their asses off, use 2 to occupy 3 and give yourselves a numbers advantage.

You may see some twists/curls with LBs off the edge, but in this scenario, I can't imagine you'll be seeing many interior stunts, etc...

Without Jones, you don't try to do the same thing with a guy who ISN'T Jones. You just do a new thing. That new thing may just be 3 NTs and a guy like Wharton or Dana who can sub in as a NASCAR DT and then you just hope your edge rushers are developing.

Man, they're asking a LOT from FAU at the moment. And they sure seem to be leaning into Karlaftis as a 10 sack guy.

This is kinda why this whole Jones thing just seems so out of left field.

With him in the fold, you've got 3 really good chess pieces to move around with FAU, Karlaftis and Omenihu. You've got the new kid they drafted this year to develop as well.

Then this happens. It seems like a real blindsided them kinda thing cause they defense has been really built around him.

Mecca
08-29-2023, 01:48 PM
This is kinda why this whole Jones thing just seems so out of left field.

With him in the fold, you've got 3 really good chess pieces to move around with FAU, Karlaftis and Omenihu. You've got the new kid they drafted this year to develop as well.

Then this happens. It seems like a real blindsided them kinda thing cause they defense has been really built around him.

Jones did that shit on purpose, he let FA and the draft go by and then pulled this, he did it to try to leverage the Chiefs into doing what he wanted by presenting it at the shittiest time for the team.

O.city
08-29-2023, 01:49 PM
Jones did that shit on purpose, he let FA and the draft go by and then pulled this, he did it to try to leverage the Chiefs into doing what he wanted by presenting it at the shittiest time for the team.

It really seems that way.

Which is why I can't imagine them playing nice when it comes to game checks and such.

Wisconsin_Chief
08-29-2023, 01:49 PM
I bet Veach had a somewhat high grade on him coming out of LSU and made the call thinking Cullen could get more out of him than the Raiders could.

Pretty clear this was the case. We got a guy who has a lot of potential for a 6th rounder, and you can rest assured this wasn't done on a whim. Veach keeps his eyes on these types of players as you mentioned. I'm sure the Raiders had no clue whatsoever how to use him and the coaches see a role for him here.

Won't be the least bit shocked to see him contribute.

Mecca
08-29-2023, 01:51 PM
It really seems that way.

Which is why I can't imagine them playing nice when it comes to game checks and such.

Had Jones pulled it earlier it could have been handled differently where he was traded or the Chiefs put a higher stake on getting a guy like Keanu Benton.

It was on a tactful move on Jones part, he doesn't really want to play for another team but he also wants Donald money so he tried to back the Chiefs into a corner.

Easy 6
08-29-2023, 01:52 PM
Jones did that shit on purpose, he let FA and the draft go by and then pulled this, he did it to try to leverage the Chiefs into doing what he wanted by presenting it at the shittiest time for the team.

100% and you can bet Veach doesn't like it one little bit

SAGA45
08-29-2023, 01:54 PM
He went to LSU?

Is he better then Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson?

Yeah but not as good as your mom.

RaidersOftheCellar
08-29-2023, 01:56 PM
Hard to disagree.

The Raiders have ruined plenty of players over the last 20 years.

I'm in the minority, but I don't even dislike the Raiders anymore. Your fans seem way more rational and level-headed than Denver's.

Wisconsin_Chief
08-29-2023, 01:58 PM
100% and you can bet Veach doesn't like it one little bit

I'm not so sure, their interest in trading up for Mazi Smith to the point where they were willing to deal a 3rd rounder would lead me to believe they knew what Jones was looking for.

Either way, he's still a dick.

MarkDavis'Haircut
08-29-2023, 01:59 PM
I'm in the minority, but I don't even dislike the Raiders anymore. Your fans seem way more rational and level-headed than Denver's.

It is hard to dislike a team that has posed a threat only once in the last 20 years (2016).

Easy 6
08-29-2023, 02:02 PM
I'm not so sure, their interest in trading up for Mazi Smith to the point where they were willing to deal a 3rd rounder would lead me to believe they knew what Jones was looking for.

Either way, he's still a dick.

I suppose that could be, but the timing of all this is most definitely suspicious

DJ's left nut
08-29-2023, 02:04 PM
I'm in the minority, but I don't even dislike the Raiders anymore. Your fans seem way more rational and level-headed than Denver's.

I mostly just hate Bufffalo, Cincinnati and of course New England because Bill Belichick is there and Boston should get nuked.

I'm pretty ambivalent as to the Raiders and Broncos.

Wisconsin_Chief
08-29-2023, 02:09 PM
I suppose that could be, but the timing of all this is most definitely suspicious

I'm thinking they maybe had somewhat of an idea what he was looking for and thought they could talk him down, and Smith was a backup plan. When they whiffed on him (which I'm sure Jones' agent caught wind of) it probably fueled the fire a little bit.

Will be interesting to hear how the whole thing played out after the fact. You know we'll hear about it just like we did with Hill. Jones strikes me as the type who's going to seriously run his mouth after he's gone.

Pitt Gorilla
08-29-2023, 02:12 PM
Yup.

Could just be indicative of a scheme shift. You don't replace Chris Jones - he's pretty much a unicorn.

Instead you just clog the shit out of the middle, tell them to shove their asses off, use 2 to occupy 3 and give yourselves a numbers advantage.

You may see some twists/curls with LBs off the edge, but in this scenario, I can't imagine you'll be seeing many interior stunts, etc...

Without Jones, you don't try to do the same thing with a guy who ISN'T Jones. You just do a new thing. That new thing may just be 3 NTs and a guy like Wharton or Dana who can sub in as a NASCAR DT and then you just hope your edge rushers are developing.

Man, they're asking a LOT from FAU at the moment. And they sure seem to be leaning into Karlaftis as a 10 sack guy.

You mean you don't employ Pellom McDaniels as the Falcon?

Skyy God
08-29-2023, 02:16 PM
Had Jones pulled it earlier it could have been handled differently where he was traded or the Chiefs put a higher stake on getting a guy like Keanu Benton.

It was on a tactful move on Jones part, he doesn't really want to play for another team but he also wants Donald money so he tried to back the Chiefs into a corner.

Tactful, no.

Tactical, sure.

xztop123
08-29-2023, 02:18 PM
I honestly think having 3 fat nt that rotate and DEs that can play inside in third downs is the way to go moving forward. It’ll take up more roster room but it’ll save money vs a chris jones type move. And also allow more fresh legs.

The question will be if veach can scout them out. He hasn’t been amazing thus far at scouting this position group.

Hog's Gone Fishin
08-29-2023, 02:34 PM
Ummmm, my first thought is the Raiders aren't going to give us anything to improve our roster. Come on Veach, get a clue.

Eleazar
08-29-2023, 02:37 PM
Ummmm, my first thought is the Raiders aren't going to give us anything to improve our roster. Come on Veach, get a clue.

The Raiders could swallow a diamond and still pass a turd. They are clueless.

TwistedChief
08-29-2023, 03:59 PM
Ummmm, my first thought is the Raiders aren't going to give us anything to improve our roster. Come on Veach, get a clue.

He probably never considered this.

jdubya
08-29-2023, 04:09 PM
Last years Raiders 4th round pick got his ass handed to him by this years 7th round pick. It will be interesting how this plays out.

jdubya
08-29-2023, 04:10 PM
The Raiders could swallow a diamond and still pass a turd. They are clueless.

They sent the last turd to NO

Chiefspants
08-29-2023, 04:21 PM
Next man up

Chiefspants
08-29-2023, 04:21 PM
Ummmm, my first thought is the Raiders aren't going to give us anything to improve our roster. Come on Veach, get a clue.

You’re assuming that Josh McDaniels isn’t a world class dumbass.

Buehler445
08-29-2023, 04:23 PM
Yup.

Could just be indicative of a scheme shift. You don't replace Chris Jones - he's pretty much a unicorn.

Instead you just clog the shit out of the middle, tell them to shove their asses off, use 2 to occupy 3 and give yourselves a numbers advantage.

You may see some twists/curls with LBs off the edge, but in this scenario, I can't imagine you'll be seeing many interior stunts, etc...

Without Jones, you don't try to do the same thing with a guy who ISN'T Jones. You just do a new thing. That new thing may just be 3 NTs and a guy like Wharton or Dana who can sub in as a NASCAR DT and then you just hope your edge rushers are developing.

Man, they're asking a LOT from FAU at the moment. And they sure seem to be leaning into Karlaftis as a 10 sack guy.

Great post.

But I’m expecting them to lean into blitzing DBs as the 10 sack guy. I’m guessing there will be a lot of man to man on passing downs.

Hog's Gone Fishin
08-29-2023, 07:44 PM
He probably never considered this.

I know you're being sarcastic but it's a known fact that Veach scours CP for comments from Hog's Gone Fishin to get invaluable ideas.

I'm the one that gave him his current draft philosophy. True Fact.

notorious
08-29-2023, 07:47 PM
Great post.

But I’m expecting them to lean into blitzing DBs as the 10 sack guy. I’m guessing there will be a lot of man to man on passing downs.

Our linebackers are outstanding. Send them.

Titty Meat
08-29-2023, 07:54 PM
Great post.

But I’m expecting them to lean into blitzing DBs as the 10 sack guy. I’m guessing there will be a lot of man to man on passing downs.

Benny Sapp just smiled reading this

Dunerdr
08-29-2023, 09:29 PM
We’re just going to play two 1 techs at 1 and 3. They pull the ol DeVito and grab two guys then at the first sign of going backwards go down on a knee and make the whole thing a god damn cluster****.

It’s not winning, but it’s not losing.

Buehler445
08-29-2023, 10:35 PM
Benny Sapp just smiled reading this

Fucking deeeeeeeep cut Titty.

That dude couldn't cover shit, but he could blitz like a motherfucker.

T-post Tom
08-29-2023, 11:10 PM
Benny Sapp just smiled reading this

Every fire hydrant within 25 miles of Arrowhead is thankful that you did not reference Bennie Thompson. :)

And holy shit snacks, that was one scary Defense!

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JPH83
08-29-2023, 11:22 PM
****ing deeeeeeeep cut Titty.

That dude couldn't cover shit, but he could blitz like a mother****er.

Ah fat fingers accidentally downvoted, sorry dude

suzzer99
08-29-2023, 11:41 PM
The Chiefs stayed up all night and got lucky.

I'll show myself out.

ThyKingdomCome15
08-30-2023, 02:06 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s my report on Neil Farrell when he was coming out in the 2022 NFL Draft <a href="https://t.co/Skf95MKc3d">pic.twitter.com/Skf95MKc3d</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1696585954297786490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hmm, kind of does remind me of Saunders.

AussieChiefsFan
08-30-2023, 02:39 AM
Don't see an issue with trading within the division if the team will be bottom of said division for years to come.