Raiders fire Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler

[Dante84]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Raiders fired HC Josh McDaniels and GM Dave Ziegler.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1719580362995884472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[KC Hawks]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Fish]

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[smithandrew051]

I liked the job they were doing

[BossChief]

They fucked up when they didn’t find ways to make Gruden work there.

That team was starting to come around. McDaniels was a complete joke.

[siberian khatru]

On a Tuesday night?

[BossChief]

I wonder how many coaches they are going to be paying next year.

[KC_Connection]

Damn, too bad. They were gonna be a total disaster as long as McDaniels was there.

[chiefforlife]

And Josh will once again return to the Patriots to fix their Offense, just in time to almost make the playoffs.

I really think Bill sends these guys out to ruin other teams! LOL

[KC Hawks]

Can't wait for them to crawl back to New England like all the other Belichick failures.

[Chiefspants]

Was really hoping he’d hold out through the season.

[RealSNR]

I did want him to stay as long as possible, but I also do enjoy watching scumbags like him getting kicked in the dick.

[FloridaMan88]

After the trade deadline and missing the chance to go all in on a fire sale.

[dlphg9]

Lol this piece of shit should never coach another team again. He's shown he's just completely in over his head and just an enormous jackass. I wish he would have stayed around a bit longer though.

[backinblack]

Thank god

don’t even care if we are back on the coaching carousel

[Rasputin]

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[Athis]

Jim Harbaugh?

[tk13]

McDaniels basically got 3 chances if you include the Colts and he walked away from them. Probably one of the best examples that NFL owners don't know what they're doing. You'll never convince me guys like Nagy and Bieniemy don't deserve as many shots as this guy got.

[kevrunner]

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[Rain Man]

I hope someone got a secret video of the firing.

[Kiimo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Absolutely unreal story in <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthletic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheAthletic</a> premium plus instant-inbox about why and how McDaniels got fired <a href="https://t.co/IjjwHsfDNe">pic.twitter.com/IjjwHsfDNe</a></p>&mdash; PFT Commenter (JMU 8-0) (@PFTCommenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/status/1719590037061574891?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



god I wish this tweet was true


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lmao

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

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[MarkDavis'Haircut]

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[-King-]

So what is the 4th team he's going to scam his way onto after his rehab stint back in New England that's about to come up?

[jallmon]

Sad to see Mark got his gigglies firing another coach. All good things must end...
At least we can be assured that he won't hire anyone who could remotely improve the Faids.

[scho63]

Mark Davis may be one of the most repulsive looking human beings I have ever seen.

He looks like a botched abortion.

[Red Dawg]

Damn. Thats early in the year. Josh will never get another HC job.

[Coochie liquor]

HENDERSON, Nev. -- The Las Vegas Raiders fired coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Dave Ziegler, the team announced Tuesday night.

"After much thought about what the Raiders need to move forward, I have decided to part ways with Josh and Dave," owner Mark Davis said in a statement. "I want to thank them both for their hard work and wish them and their families nothing but the best."

Reached by phone and asked to elaborate on the reason for the firings, Davis told ESPN, "No comment at this time."

The Raiders named linebackers coach Antonio Pierce as their interim head coach. The team also said that current assistant general manager Champ Kelly will serve as interim GM. In announcing those promotions, the organization said it is committed to undergoing "a comprehensive search" for a head coach and general manager "once the season is complete."

Davis would not say who would take on offensive playcalling duties, as that was McDaniels' job. Phone calls to McDaniels and Ziegler were not returned.

The move comes one day after the Raiders lost 26-14 at Detroit on "Monday Night Football," Las Vegas' second consecutive defeat in which the team's offense could get no traction. The defeat dropped the Raiders' record to 3-5.

McDaniels and Ziegler, both hired in January 2022, inherited a 10-7 team that made an unexpected run to the playoffs during the 2021 season -- just the organization's second postseason bid since 2002 -- under interim coach Rich Bisaccia and then-GM Mike Mayock, who took over following the in-season resignation of coach Jon Gruden.

Davis said at the time that McDaniels and Ziegler were expected to take the team to the "next step" in its evolution. Instead, the Raiders went a combined 9-16 without a playoff appearance under the new regime.

McDaniels did not last two full seasons in his previous stop as a head coach, either, going a combined 11-17 with the Denver Broncos from 2009-10.

Davis was enamored with McDaniels' offensive system and his pedigree as a longtime offensive coordinator for the New England Patriots, with whom he won six Super Bowl rings.

But the offensive success did not translate to Las Vegas, and the Raiders suffered some of the most embarrassing defeats in franchise history under the McDaniels-Ziegler duo. That included blowing a 20-0 halftime lead against Arizona for the biggest collapse in franchise history, losing to Indianapolis in the Colts' first game with Jeff Saturday as interim coach after he had never coached above the high school level, blowing a double-digit lead to Baker Mayfield and the Los Angeles Rams two days after Mayfield joined his new team, and getting shut out in New Orleans when the starting offense failed to cross the 50-yard line.

Two weeks ago, Las Vegas lost 30-12 to Chicago and undrafted rookie former Division II quarterback Tyson Bagent in his first career start.

The Raiders this season moved on from nine-year starter Derek Carr, who was benched and inactive for the final two weeks of 2022. In March, they signed the oft-injured Jimmy Garoppolo -- McDaniels' former pupil in New England -- to a three-year, $72.75 million free agent contract. Shortly after signing with Las Vegas, Garoppolo underwent left foot surgery that caused him to miss the entirety of the Raiders' offseason on-field program and be on a "pitch count" in training camp.

Garoppolo has missed 2½ games this season due to a concussion and back injury and leads the NFL in interceptions with nine. He is coming off one of the worst statistical games of his career in Detroit.

The Raiders currently have just the No. 31-ranked total offense in yards per game, are No. 32 in rushing yards per game and rank No. 30 in points scored per game (15.8). All-Pros Davante Adams and Josh Jacobs have been underutilized at receiver and running back, respectively, for most of the season. Adams had one catch for 11 yards at Detroit and has not caught a TD pass since Week 3, while Jacobs, the NFL's reigning rushing leader, has yet to record a 100-yard rushing game this season, bottoming out at -2 yards in a Week 2 blowout loss at the Buffalo Bills.

Then there's former Pro Bowl slot receiver Hunter Renfrow, who caught 103 passes in 2021, but has just 10 receptions on 16 targets this season.

Pierce will be the eighth different coach, interim or regular, for the Raiders since Davis took over control of the team after the death of his father, Al Davis, in October 2011. He follows Hue Jackson, Dennis Allen, Tony Sparano, Jack Del Rio, Gruden, Bisaccia and McDaniels.

Pierce will make his NFL head-coaching debut Sunday against the 2-6 New York Giants, with whom he won a Super Bowl as a player in 2007.

[Monticore]

Lol this piece of shit should never coach another team again. He's shown he's just completely in over his head and just an enormous jackass. I wish he would have stayed around a bit longer though.

I would ot mind him going to the chargers next so he can destroy another AFC W team

[FloridaMan88]

Q…

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=350790

[backinblack]

hopefully out of a cannon into a brick wall

[lawrenceRaider]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!

[lawrenceRaider]

I would ot mind him going to the chargers next so he can destroy another AFC W team

Chargers already have their own, albeit less terrible, version of McDumbo.

[cabletech94]

Again? Like again, again?

Damn shame.

[BlackHelicopters]

Again? Tough day for the poor bastard.

[displacedinMN]

Time for the NFL to figure out Josh is a figure head and does not really know anything.
2 times, fired before the end of the season.


Maybe he can become the Iowa OC. (dear Kirk, Please, NO)

[JimNasium]

Have we hired and fired this piece of shit yet?

[Kman34]

Won’t be the first time he’s fired…

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Fire him every day.

[Dunerdr]

Much earlier than expected. Who are they trying to get the jump on?

[Eleazar]

McDaniels basically got 3 chances if you include the Colts and he walked away from them. Probably one of the best examples that NFL owners don't know what they're doing. You'll never convince me guys like Nagy and Bieniemy don't deserve as many shots as this guy got.

Yeah, I agree. NFL owners seem too swayed by the people a guy's worked in proximity with. There are a lot of deserving guys out there who aren't from a prestigious 'tree' who don't get looks, and even some who are.

[old_geezer]

Interesting, the Raiders improved their club vastly even without any last minute trades. Now if they only had a QB..........and an O-line............and a defense. Nevermind. :evil:

[Eleazar]

It must be hell to be a Raiders fan. We went 20 years without winning a playoff game but we had winning records during those times. This team is in a perpetual cycle of bad and fires a head coach every other year

[Pasta Little Brioni]

He probably says all the right things in interviews and "looks the part" just like many other disasters climbing ladders in this country.

[chiefzilla1501]

Kind of wished they waited til after we played them twice.

Typical patriot way bullshit. Their defense is actually legit but they decided to put it all on their patriot buddies jimmy g and Brian hoyer. Starting hoyer over giving Aidan O'Connell a test run was criminally bad

[wazu]

The good news is nobody can fire the owner.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Aidan O Palko? Lulz

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The good news is nobody can fire the owner.

Flowbee the official sponsor of the Las Vegas Raiders

[Hammock Parties]

they're gonna tank for caleb

[lawrenceRaider]

Interesting, the Raiders improved their club vastly even without any last minute trades. Now if they only had a QB..........and an O-line............and a defense. Nevermind. :evil:

Defense had actually been playing at a respectable level. If McDumbo wasn't sabotaging the offense, the D has played well enough to win a few more games.

[chiefzilla1501]

Aidan O Palko? Lulz

It isn't worse than jimmy g or hoyer. It's not a good option, but jimmy g has been on another level of bad.

[Stryker]

That organization is an official dumpster fire! :evil: ROFL

[RunKC]

The Broncos were 0-3 vs the McDaniels Raiders. How? LMAO

[Hoopsdoc]

This pleases me greatly.

McDouche is a smarmy patriot way prick with the most punchable face this side of Shanarat The Elder.

[Flying High D]

Bring him for a look?

[farmerchief]

Can an owner fire himself? That would make it a clean sweep, then their rebuild might have a chance.

[Lzen]

They ****ed up when they didn’t find ways to make Gruden work there.

That team was starting to come around. McDaniels was a complete joke.

Nobody saw that coming.


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[GoForIt]

Another average coach with a big ego fortunate enough to coach the best quarterback ever, he’s never done anything without Brady. He's just another guy who suddenly forgot how to run an offense without a star QB. Tom made this guy and got him two jobs. Now we know why many teams kept pulling the plug after interviewing him throughout the years.

I wouldn’t even hire him as an OC, these dinosaurs are still running the same old crap that only functions with an elite quarterback, it’s been proven over and over none of these bozos can coach offense it was ALL Brady, even Daboll is falling on his face now.

He’s basically Adam Gase at this point who looked amazing with Peyton Manning and a complete train wreck without him, he just got to ride the coat tails for longer.

He also did exactly what he did in Denver trading away a capable QB in Carr in favor of an inferior QB. Adams production has taken a dip because of the poor fit at QB. Not to mention, his last two drafts were atrocious. Tyree Wilson was an idiotic coach killing pick. Clelin Ferrell 2.0.

[redfan]

I am sad, I had hoped McD would stay as LV's coach for a whole lot longer.
He was almost there!! Hah

[displacedinMN]

Brady + Belicheck >>>>> Josh Mc Daniels

JMD- Brady =-10

[Rainbarrel]

Dennis Leary's, I'm an asshole. Retooled to, I'm a slumpbuster.
But, is it for McDaniels or the Raiders

[notorious]

https://media.tenor.com/SJWh7NoBbN0AAAAM/ab-antonio.gif

ROFL

[tredadda]

They need to bring in an offensive mind from the Patriots tree. I think Matt Patricia might be available.

[ChiefsCountry]

They looked good with Rich Bisaccia as coach.

[Raiderhater]

Mark Davis may be one of the most repulsive looking human beings I have ever seen.

He looks like a botched abortion.

Ever time I see him I think “inbred”.

[TribalElder]

Everyone thinks that McDaniels is a dumbass

while he might be, he is now going to get paid for 4 more years and not have to do any work at all

I wouldn't mind a gig like that ROFL

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Wow, just heard an interesting statistic on NFLN.

During the Andy Reid era the Broncos,Chargers,Raiders have been through 17 Head Coaches.

LOLOLOL

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

and Bill O'brien is weeping in the fetal position...

[GoForIt]

and Bill O'brien is weeping in the fetal position...

He'll be heading back to college at season's end.

[Kiimo]

The Raiders new head coach was coaching high school six years ago.








Bieniemy is still a coordinator. The Raiders new head coach is black so this isn't a race post, just a WTF NFL hire Bieniemy post

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

The Raiders new head coach was coaching high school six years ago.








Bieniemy is still a coordinator. The Raiders new head coach is black so this isn't a race post, just a WTF NFL hire Bieniemy post

Although, I hope Bieniemy is smarter than taking the career killer Raiders job...

[Pinchshot]

I just always remember the Patriots WR's running wide ass open when he was the OC.

[Rasputin]

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[Titty Meat]

Jim Harbaugh come on down

[Eureka]

The Raiders new head coach was coaching high school six years ago.








Bieniemy is still a coordinator. The Raiders new head coach is black so this isn't a race post, just a WTF NFL hire Bieniemy post

And won a SB in with the Giants in 2007.

[Eureka]

Jim Harbaugh come on down

The last thing the Raiders need is a retread coach. They've done that with the last two hires.

They need an up and comer who can develop.

[Athis]

Raiders expected to start rookie QB Aidan O'Connell this week and moving forward. (via Ian Rapoport, Mike Garafolo)

[DJ's left nut]

It isn't worse than jimmy g or hoyer. It's not a good option, but jimmy g has been on another level of bad.

Yeah, I'm hard pressed to think of a QB who did more to earn a benching than Grapes did on Monday night.

He was Nathan Peterman bad.

[mabbott]

I will be enjoying them paying 10 million a year to this clown. 60 million to coach 25 games.... Just LOSE Baby!

[Bowser]

Raiders expected to start rookie QB Aidan O'Connell this week and moving forward. (via Ian Rapoport, Mike Garafolo)

I think this is a bigger shock than McDaniels and whoeverGM getting the axe.....

[DJ's left nut]

Raiders expected to start rookie QB Aidan O'Connell this week and moving forward. (via Ian Rapoport, Mike Garafolo)

Grapes still has $11.5 million in guarantees for 2024. He also has a bunch of restructure and void money that would accelerate if they cut him prior to his remaining 2024 roster bonus vesting.

So it's about $28 million in dead cap money to cut him next season for Oakland.

That makes me smile.

Grapes has stolen almost as much money as Matt Cassel to this point. I don't understand how he keeps getting these contracts. Is Hootie running NFL teams? Because as best I can tell, he's the only guy who ever thought this guy was genuinely elite.

[KC_Lee]

Grapes still has $11.5 million in guarantees for 2024. He also has a bunch of restructure and void money that would accelerate if they cut him prior to his remaining 2024 roster bonus vesting.

So it's about $28 million in dead cap money to cut him next season for Oakland.

That makes me smile.

Grapes has stolen almost as much money as Matt Cassel to this point. I don't understand how he keeps getting these contracts. Is Hootie running NFL teams? Because as best I can tell, he's the only guy who ever thought this guy was genuinely elite.

Former NE O coordinator trying to re-create the NE Way and failing miserably. Grapes was able to somewhat succeed in SF due to fact that SF runs a scheme that even Mr. Irrelevant can have moderate success as a QB.

[Rainbarrel]

A bed of sauerkraut would be a comforted place for Mark

[New World Order]

I think this is a bigger shock than McDaniels and whoeverGM getting the axe.....

They're going for that number 1 pick

[chiefzilla1501]

Former NE O coordinator trying to re-create the NE Way and failing miserably. Grapes was able to somewhat succeed in SF due to fact that SF runs a scheme that even Mr. Irrelevant can have moderate success as a QB.

Grapes, stidham, hoyer. Yup same old bellichick goon model.

On top of the arrogance of insisting you can win despite the QB. Passing on Levis for O'Connell. Just as the falcons waited 3 years to pin their entire future on a 3rd round QB. The crazy thing is these 2 teams have weapons everywhere on both sides of the ball

[lawrenceRaider]

Grapes still has $11.5 million in guarantees for 2024. He also has a bunch of restructure and void money that would accelerate if they cut him prior to his remaining 2024 roster bonus vesting.

So it's about $28 million in dead cap money to cut him next season for Oakland.

That makes me smile.

Grapes has stolen almost as much money as Matt Cassel to this point. I don't understand how he keeps getting these contracts. Is Hootie running NFL teams? Because as best I can tell, he's the only guy who ever thought this guy was genuinely elite.

Former NE O coordinator trying to re-create the NE Way and failing miserably. Grapes was able to somewhat succeed in SF due to fact that SF runs a scheme that even Mr. Irrelevant can have moderate success as a QB.

Fu cking McDumbo jettisoned a 10-15 level QB for a 25-30 level QB and in his arrogance thought he could fix things.

Last year the Raider offense flourished because Carr was the defacto offensive coordinator. McDumbo hated it and forced Carr out.

Carr isn't the guy to win a superbowl, but he at least can keep you competitive.

[Balto]

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Man I do miss Todd Haley's fire! Just don't miss him as a coach haha. Some team needs to hire him just to walk up and down the sideline yelling at the refs and players. Todd made Bieniemy look like a kitten.

[Tribal Warfare]

Grapes, stidham, hoyer, Tim Tebow during Broncos stint. Yup same old bellichick goon model.

On top of the arrogance of insisting you can win despite the QB. Passing on Levis for O'Connell. Just as the falcons waited 3 years to pin their entire future on a 3rd round QB. The crazy thing is these 2 teams have weapons everywhere on both sides of the ball

FYP

[Rainbarrel]

Haley for the tank!
DO IT!!!

[Sassy Squatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh McDaniels is the first head coach in NFL history to be fired before the end of his 2nd season for two different teams. McDaniels was fired by the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/broncos?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#broncos</a> after Week 13 in his 2nd season (2010)</p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1719722443231687036?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[notorious]

I will be enjoying them paying 10 million a year to this clown. 60 million to coach 25 games.... Just LOSE Baby!

For an owner that's not cash flush.....that hurts.

[RealSNR]

Something I’m wondering about in these coaching interviews— do teams test or try to figure out if these guys can actually… you know… coach?

I’m not talking about coordinating or operating a playbook. I’m talking about hiring a good staff, delegating appropriate clear assignments and being a leader to inexperienced staff members. And more importantly, I’m talking about interacting with players, maintaining a friendly yet competitive culture, and above all, being a good teacher or at least setting players up with good coach teachers on your staff.

Not playing favorites or resorting to nepotism from previous coaching staffs you’ve been apart of. Not making your star players feel like shit. Not being a Patriot fuckface…

You know. The basics of what will make it so you don’t get fired within two seasons.

Owners don’t seem to know or care about that kind of thing when they make these hires, do they??

[lawrenceRaider]

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That's some funny ish right there.

[Balto]

Jim Harbaugh come on down

Yup I could see him taking over the day after Michigan is done.

[Pepe Silvia]

Jim Harbaugh come on down

That’s who it will be. Book it.

[tredadda]

Yeah, I'm hard pressed to think of a QB who did more to earn a benching than Grapes did on Monday night.

He was Nathan Peterman bad.

Was he Palko bad though?

[ROYC75]

Damn, what a depressing way to start your Wednesday.

[Buehler445]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/WpaVhEcp3Qo2TjwyI1/giphy.gif

It's a goddamn shame. Other than trading us Crosby and Adams for a 2026 7th round pick, I can't think of much I'd rather have him do.

I think Eric Mangini is available.

[jdubya]

Harbaugh doesnt last very long wherever he goes but he does build winners rather quickly.....

[BEAVER]

they're gonna tank for caleb

Bust out the Purple Drank!

[jallmon]

They looked good with Rich Bisaccia as coach.

Shhhhhhhh!!! They'll hear you.

[Rain Man]

Was he Palko bad though?

Hey, Palko has one of the best hail mary completion percentages in NFL history.

[Rain Man]

McDaniels reminds me of some people in my mega-company days where you'd see them walking around and you had no idea how they got hired, and they don't do anything of value, and they screw up anything that they touch, and yet somehow they never seem to get called out because everyone assumes that they work for somebody else.

[New World Order]

McDaniels reminds me of some people in my mega-company days where you'd see them walking around and you had no idea how they got hired, and they don't do anything of value, and they screw up anything that they touch, and yet somehow they never seem to get called out because everyone assumes that they work for somebody else.

LMAO

[Kiimo]

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[FlaChief58]

Shame they fired him. He seemed like the perfect guy for the faid

[penguinz]

Was he Palko bad though?

Brody Croyle bad.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

The Raiders new head coach was coaching high school six years ago.








Bieniemy is still a coordinator. The Raiders new head coach is black so this isn't a race post, just a WTF NFL hire Bieniemy post

He is an interim head coach.

A meaningless position right now.

[raybec 4]

He is an interim head coach.

A meaningless position right now.

Rich Bisaccia was the best coach you've had in a decade. He was only interim too.

[jdubya]

Interim coach is intense. Be interesting how the team responds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_v3WS7_5AY

[mabbott]

For an owner that's not cash flush.....that hurts.

It only makes it better knowing they had to pay Gruden too... lol

[wazu]

Interim coach is intense. Be interesting how the team responds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_v3WS7_5AY

Damn!

[Indian Chief]

While I agree on some level that Harbaugh makes sense for the Raiders, I think there's a major sticking point. One, Harbaugh won't come cheap. The last time his name was thrown about for NFL jobs there were some big numbers attached. But two, they are still paying Gruden and now McDaniels to sit at home. If you give Harbaugh big money, add in the other coaches salaries...is Davis going to pay $20+M/yr for coaches?

[Coochie liquor]

Lol this piece of shit should never coach another team again. He's shown he's just completely in over his head and just an enormous jackass. I wish he would have stayed around a bit longer though.

What? He still needs to coach the Chargers!

[Coochie liquor]

Harbaugh doesnt last very long wherever he goes but he does build winners rather quickly.....

He’s never had to be in a division with Andy and Mahomes!

[notorious]

It only makes it better knowing they had to pay Gruden too... lol

Oooof

[ChiefsFanatic]

Lol this piece of shit should never coach another team again. He's shown he's just completely in over his head and just an enormous jackass. I wish he would have stayed around a bit longer though.So, you don't like the next Chargers head coach?

[ChiefsFanatic]

Mark Davis may be one of the most repulsive looking human beings I have ever seen.

He looks like a botched abortion.I ran into him as I was going to a suite at the Westgate in Vegas. I was at the Westgate for APA Nationals, and it was at the Westgate, so I stayed there.

He walked out of the elevator, with dudes I realized way after the fact must have been his security, and I almost bumped into him.

But, the reason I almost bumped was because I couldn't take my eyes off the haircut. It looks so much worse in person.

BTW, he was wearing a white Raiders track suite.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Time for the NFL to figure out Josh is a figure head and does not really know anything.
2 times, fired before the end of the season.


Maybe he can become the Iowa OC. (dear Kirk, Please, NO)He will still probably get another chance before someone hires Eric Bienemy.

Hell, Adam Gase will probably get a 3rd opportunity before EB.

Actually, I hope Davis doesn't interview or hire EB, because the way our offense is performing without him, maybe he can coach, and if that's the case, I would prefer the Raiders hire someone who can't coach, like McDaniels.

I think Davis should interview any and all members of the New England Patriots coaching staff, including guys like Matt Patricia. There's another white guy who will probably fail in his second chance before EB even gets a single head coaching job.

[Kiimo]

The thing about him is he has a lot more distance to fall if he's anything like his dad with aging

[ChiefsFanatic]

And won a SB in with the Giants in 2007.I feel like the fact that they promoted the LB coach proves that a couple of other coaches turned down the interim job.

The way Davis and the Raiders treated the last interim coach, Bosaccia or whatever, probably turned a lot of them off from accepting.

This may be cynical, but Pierce probably said "I am black, with almost no NFL coaching experience, and if I work 18-20 hours a day for the next decade, maybe I will get 18 interviews like Eric Bienemy only to never get hired, so, yeah, why the hell not Mark, I'll be the interim head coach of this dumpster fire. "

[Hammock Parties]

OWNED

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hopefully this is the last of the Belichick “tree” which is more like a dead bush. His methods don’t work unless you’ve got the best QB ever (as of now) and Belichick’s football mind to back it up. Everyone else seems to clash with players, lose games, and get booted out of town.</p>&mdash; Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1719703336499228820?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Ocotillo]

I feel like the fact that they promoted the LB coach proves that a couple of other coaches turned down the interim job.

The way Davis and the Raiders treated the last interim coach, Bosaccia or whatever, probably turned a lot of them off from accepting.

This may be cynical, but Pierce probably said "I am black, with almost no NFL coaching experience, and if I work 18-20 hours a day for the next decade, maybe I will get 18 interviews like Eric Bienemy only to never get hired, so, yeah, why the hell not Mark, I'll be the interim head coach of this dumpster fire. "

I wouldn't read too much into it.

A lot of interim coaches don't come from the coordinator ranks.

Usually when you have a high-performing coordinator like the Raiders' Patrick Graham, you don't want to give him more duties. Just let him keep coaching the defense well.

[Ocotillo]

OWNED

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hopefully this is the last of the Belichick “tree” which is more like a dead bush. His methods don’t work unless you’ve got the best QB ever (as of now) and Belichick’s football mind to back it up. Everyone else seems to clash with players, lose games, and get booted out of town.</p>&mdash; Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1719703336499228820?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Brian Flores could have gotten another job, but who can trust him? He shared organizational secrets that have nothing to do with being discriminated against.

[Ocotillo]

The Raiders new head coach was coaching high school six years ago.

That's not a legit knock on Pierce. A lot of great high school coaches move up the ranks quickly because they can freaking coach.

The NFL is filled with coaches that didn't earn their way.

Now if you want to rip Pierce for his coaching and the scandal he was involved in at Arizona State, that's legitimate.

[TribalElder]

They should have traded Crosby to the Chiefs before getting fired

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/fPqkelHvgp">pic.twitter.com/fPqkelHvgp</a></p>&mdash; David Carr (@DCarr8) <a href="https://twitter.com/DCarr8/status/1719739714046243157?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[RunKC]

Mark Davis already paid Gruden $60 million of his $100 million contract plus an undisclosed amount as part of the agreement when he was canned.

Now he's turning around and paying the rest of McDaniels contract on top of paying for the next coach LMAO

[Bronco Yoda]

I was really hoping that McD-punk would last the season doing as much damage as possible.

Davis sure does like paying coaches NOT to coach.

[Buehler445]

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/fPqkelHvgp">pic.twitter.com/fPqkelHvgp</a></p>&mdash; David Carr (@DCarr8) <a href="https://twitter.com/DCarr8/status/1719739714046243157?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh dear fucking lord is that his real account?

[lawrenceRaider]

Oh dear fucking lord is that his real account?

Probably, it's the older brother and he's always been pretty salty protecting little brother.

[jdubya]

Carr brothers are all whiny bitches with thin skin.

[DJ's left nut]

Brian Flores could have gotten another job, but who can trust him? He shared organizational secrets that have nothing to do with being discriminated against.

Yuuuuup.

I don't think another team will (or should) touch that guy.

Omertà would absolutely be the order of the day if I owned an NFL team. Shit ain't sunshine and rainbows with these squads. They're literally billion dollar organizations that have thousands of people in their employ (directly or tangentially) and, by virtue of the business they are in, tend to attract a fair bit of crazy to their ranks.

It's a high stress, high performance, Type A as fuck league where brainpower and discretion ain't exactly the first things you're looking for across the board. There are GOING to be things that need to stay in house.

You just can't hire a guy who you know will hang you out if things go south. Because history says that over any meaningful timeline, they will.

[Buehler445]

Yuuuuup.

I don't think another team will (or should) touch that guy.

Omertà would absolutely be the order of the day if I owned an NFL team. Shit ain't sunshine and rainbows with these squads. They're literally billion dollar organizations that have thousands of people in their employ (directly or tangentially) and, by virtue of the business they are in, tend to attract a fair bit of crazy to their ranks.

It's a high stress, high performance, Type A as fuck league where brainpower and discretion ain't exactly the first things you're looking for across the board. There are GOING to be things that need to stay in house.

You just can't hire a guy who you know will hang you out if things go south. Because history says that over any meaningful timeline, they will.

ROFL

Mafia this shit up.

Good post. Very few guys get to go out on their terms, so yeah, by definition, things go south.

The other thing with Flores, you just cannot do what he did to Tua. He'd be a never hire for me.

[Jet Chip Wasp]

I really wish McDaniels would have stuck around longer. This way we could embarrass them again. With Antonio Pierce coming in, they are going to be a little less of a pushover and a bit more tougher when we play them.

[stevegroganfan]

McDaniels can coach X0's and he may or may not be able to motivate players as a head coach. His big problem is it appears as though he is poor at being an assistant GM and helping pick the players.

I don't care if you have Andy Reid to lead the offense and Bill Belichick to lead the defense and Patrick Mahomes retiring from the NFL to play baseball, this Raiders team is doomed to not win playoff games as long as the talent doesn't get markedly better.

The Raiders may have been 10-7 before McDaniels took over but they were outscored by 65 points that regular season which is more indicative of where the Raiders were at in terms of team talent then the 10-7 record.

Trading for Davante Adams was a mistake even though he is obviously a very good player. The Raiders weren't one star receiver away from being really good. Signing Jimmy G to a 3 year deal was another mistake as well given Jimmy G's health concerns, age and questionable fit with Adams.

McDaniels probably encouraged both moves instead of advising against them.

Raiders didn't have the patience for it but they should have tried to rebuild by acquiring additional draft picks instead of trading them away.

As bad as Russell Wilson worked out last year and as much of an overpay that trade looked, the Broncos trying to go for it made a lot more sense than Las Vegas since at the time Denver had talent on its roster and was just trying to upgrade from a bad QB.

[Ocotillo]

McDaniels can coach X0's and he may or may not be able to motivate players as a head coach

Is he good at Xs and Os though?

McDaniels was OC for the 2011 Rams that finished 32nd in the league in offense.

The 2023 Raiders haven't scored 20 points on offense in eight games.

I don't think you can give him a pass for the talent when he has the 2022 NFL rushing champ Josh Jacobs and Devante Adams, arguably the best receiver in the NFL before this year.

I don't care how bad the talent is anyway, a good coach should be able to carry his side of the ball and definitely make sure they're not the worst in the league.

[Rainbarrel]

It's a Richter scale that's fallen on it's side. New England to Denver to New England to Indianapolis to New England to Las Vegas to New England. The West Coast is due

[Jamie]

OWNED

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hopefully this is the last of the Belichick “tree” which is more like a dead bush. His methods don’t work unless you’ve got the best QB ever (as of now) and Belichick’s football mind to back it up. Everyone else seems to clash with players, lose games, and get booted out of town.</p>&mdash; Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1719703336499228820?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He forgot the cheating, but otherwise that pretty much covers it. Who could have guessed the organizational philosophy of "treat everyone like shit" wasn't actually the best way to build a team.

[RealSNR]

McDaniels can coach X0's and he may or may not be able to motivate players as a head coach. His big problem is it appears as though he is poor at being an assistant GM and helping pick the players.

I don't care if you have Andy Reid to lead the offense and Bill Belichick to lead the defense and Patrick Mahomes retiring from the NFL to play baseball, this Raiders team is doomed to not win playoff games as long as the talent doesn't get markedly better.

The Raiders may have been 10-7 before McDaniels took over but they were outscored by 65 points that regular season which is more indicative of where the Raiders were at in terms of team talent then the 10-7 record.

Trading for Davante Adams was a mistake even though he is obviously a very good player. The Raiders weren't one star receiver away from being really good. Signing Jimmy G to a 3 year deal was another mistake as well given Jimmy G's health concerns, age and questionable fit with Adams.

McDaniels probably encouraged both moves instead of advising against them.

Raiders didn't have the patience for it but they should have tried to rebuild by acquiring additional draft picks instead of trading them away.

As bad as Russell Wilson worked out last year and as much of an overpay that trade looked, the Broncos trying to go for it made a lot more sense than Las Vegas since at the time Denver had talent on its roster and was just trying to upgrade from a bad QB.

Orrrrr.... he's a fucking shitty head coach who's despised by everybody in the building.

Your loyalty to him is admirable, but your attempts at identifying him as a "Great HC, bad GM!" in the mold of Belichick are retarded.

[lawrenceRaider]

Rumors coming out now that after McDumbass realized Brady wasn't coming to Vegas to play QB he tried to get Carr to come back.

[tredadda]

Is he good at Xs and Os though?

McDaniels was OC for the 2011 Rams that finished 32nd in the league in offense.

The 2023 Raiders haven't scored 20 points on offense in eight games.

I don't think you can give him a pass for the talent when he has the 2022 NFL rushing champ Josh Jacobs and Devante Adams, arguably the best receiver in the NFL before this year.

I don't care how bad the talent is anyway, a good coach should be able to carry his side of the ball and definitely make sure they're not the worst in the league.

He said he could turn any QB into an All Pro. His Xs and Os is nothing more than Brady making him look better than he is.

[Buehler445]

Rumors coming out now that after McDumbass realized Brady wasn't coming to Vegas to play QB he tried to get Carr to come back.

LMAO

That has to be bullshit. I never cease to be amazed at NFL fucktardery, but that one is heavy.

[Eleazar]

He said he could turn any QB into an All Pro. His Xs and Os is nothing more than Brady making him look better than he is.

That's the story of every one of these Patriots coattail riders, isn't it?

Josh McDaniels
Romeo Crennel
Eric Mangini
Joe Judge
Bill O'Brien
Jim Schwartz
Matt Patricia
Brian Flores

Even Belichick... He's soon going to have 1 winning season in 4 tries without Brady

[lawrenceRaider]

LMAO

That has to be bullshit. I never cease to be amazed at NFL fucktardery, but that one is heavy.

It is from a fairly reliable Raider Beat writer.

<blockquote class="reddit-embed-bq" style="height:500px" data-embed-height="740"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/raiders/comments/17mmdpm/wonder_how_much_truth_is_behind_this/">Wonder how much truth is behind this.</a><br> by<a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/vicks0689/">u/vicks0689</a> in<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/raiders/">raiders</a></blockquote><script async="" src="https://embed.reddit.com/widgets.js" charset="UTF-8"></script>

[Buehler445]

It is from a fairly reliable Raider Beat writer.

<blockquote class="reddit-embed-bq" style="height:500px" data-embed-height="740"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/raiders/comments/17mmdpm/wonder_how_much_truth_is_behind_this/">Wonder how much truth is behind this.</a><br> by<a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/vicks0689/">u/vicks0689</a> in<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/raiders/">raiders</a></blockquote><script async="" src="https://embed.reddit.com/widgets.js" charset="UTF-8"></script>

That might be the only time I've ever heard anything like that. Much less after chasing after a 45 year old obviously washed QB.

[stevegroganfan]

Is he good at Xs and Os though?

McDaniels was OC for the 2011 Rams that finished 32nd in the league in offense.

The 2023 Raiders haven't scored 20 points on offense in eight games.

I don't think you can give him a pass for the talent when he has the 2022 NFL rushing champ Josh Jacobs and Devante Adams, arguably the best receiver in the NFL before this year.

I don't care how bad the talent is anyway, a good coach should be able to carry his side of the ball and definitely make sure they're not the worst in the league.

It was only 8 games into the season and 2 teams are averaging less points than the Raiders. The Raiders would have improved if enough of their key guys stayed healthy. Davante Adams was playing with a QB that he wasn't familiar with and Jimmy G had a shortened off season due to injury and he was having to learn a new system as well.

Josh Jacobs had his career year under Josh McDaniels last season and then just decided to hold out and is reportedly just now rounding into shape. I really don't think McDaniels, the coach, is that responsible for Jacobs running average going from a career high last year 4.9 to a career low 3.1 this year. Maybe blame McDaniels for overusing him last year but Jacobs probably wanted the work so he could be paid as much as possible.

Just looking it up, the 2011 St Louis Rams that year had a much tougher SOS that year than the previous season and their leading receiver from the previous year (Danny Amendola) only played 1 game.

Adams may not have been happy to lose his QB/friend Carr and that may have contributed to his off-season this year.

And I freely admit that bringing in Jimmy G was a bad move for the Raiders. That didn't work out and Jimmy G is another reason for a decline in the offense. It was hard for him to learn a new system after 6 years in San Francisco where the decision making by QBs is more limited.

Again I am not giving McDaniels a complete pass. His recommendations on personnel matters were probably bad and if I was the Raiders I would never have given him a huge long-term contract.

[RealSNR]

It was only 8 games into the season and 2 teams are averaging less points than the Raiders. The Raiders would have improved if enough of their key guys stayed healthy. Davante Adams was playing with a QB that he wasn't familiar with and Jimmy G had a shortened off season due to injury and he was having to learn a new system as well.

Josh Jacobs had his career year under Josh McDaniels last season and then just decided to hold out and is reportedly just now rounding into shape. I really don't think McDaniels, the coach, is that responsible for Jacobs running average going from a career high last year 4.9 to a career low 3.1 this year. Maybe blame McDaniels for overusing him last year but Jacobs probably wanted the work so he could be paid as much as possible.

Just looking it up, the 2011 St Louis Rams that year had a much tougher SOS that year than the previous season and their leading receiver from the previous year (Danny Amendola) only played 1 game.

Adams may not have been happy to lose his QB/friend Carr and that may have contributed to his off-season this year.

And I freely admit that bringing in Jimmy G was a bad move for the Raiders. That didn't work out and Jimmy G is another reason for a decline in the offense. It was hard for him to learn a new system after 6 years in San Francisco where the decision making by QBs is more limited.

Again I am not giving McDaniels a complete pass. His recommendations on personnel matters were probably bad and if I was the Raiders I would never have given him a huge long-term contract.
This isn't about his eye for personnel.

This is about his coaching.

It's bad. He's bad. He's bad at working with people. Just admit he's a bad coach, dude. You don't lose any of your Super Bowl rings you won if you admit the truth.

[Eureka]

This isn't about his eye for personnel.

This is about his coaching.

It's bad. He's bad. He's bad at working with people. Just admit he's a bad coach, dude. You don't lose any of your Super Bowl rings you won if you admit the truth.

Players are already backing that up with comments.

"No more having to walk around on eggshells"

Will be interesting to see how the Raider players respond. Will they score more then 20 points?

[dtrain]

Raiders firings of Josh McDaniels, GM to cost nearly $85M

[Eureka]

Raiders firings of Josh McDaniels, GM to cost nearly $85M

It would be worse for an owner to pay someone to help them lose. That is worse for an owner.

Davis has Las Vegas F you money now and he will learn from this contract.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

It would be worse for an owner to pay someone to help them lose. That is worse for an owner.

Davis has Las Vegas F you money now and he will learn from this contract.

He hasn't learned how to get a good haircut in 60+ years.

[KC_Connection]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Before firing Josh McDaniels, the Raiders had a team meeting where players directed their frustrations at McDaniels, and unloaded on him.<br><br>McDaniels had Antonio Pierce speak on his behalf, and Pierce brought up the Giants&#39; &#39;07 team that beat the undefeated Patriots, explaining… <a href="https://t.co/Xg0RHaWhmH">pic.twitter.com/Xg0RHaWhmH</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1721215127796518931?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

[Lzen]

It was only 8 games into the season and 2 teams are averaging less points than the Raiders. The Raiders would have improved if enough of their key guys stayed healthy. Davante Adams was playing with a QB that he wasn't familiar with and Jimmy G had a shortened off season due to injury and he was having to learn a new system as well.

Josh Jacobs had his career year under Josh McDaniels last season and then just decided to hold out and is reportedly just now rounding into shape. I really don't think McDaniels, the coach, is that responsible for Jacobs running average going from a career high last year 4.9 to a career low 3.1 this year. Maybe blame McDaniels for overusing him last year but Jacobs probably wanted the work so he could be paid as much as possible.

Just looking it up, the 2011 St Louis Rams that year had a much tougher SOS that year than the previous season and their leading receiver from the previous year (Danny Amendola) only played 1 game.

Adams may not have been happy to lose his QB/friend Carr and that may have contributed to his off-season this year.

And I freely admit that bringing in Jimmy G was a bad move for the Raiders. That didn't work out and Jimmy G is another reason for a decline in the offense. It was hard for him to learn a new system after 6 years in San Francisco where the decision making by QBs is more limited.

Again I am not giving McDaniels a complete pass. His recommendations on personnel matters were probably bad and if I was the Raiders I would never have given him a huge long-term contract.

All I see are excuses. You're just a patriots nut hugger.

[Ocotillo]

Any doubt now that Josh McDaniels is a cancer that sucks the blood out of a franchise?

The Raider offense didn't eclipse 20 points in a game this year under McDaniels. 24-0 at halftime.

[GloucesterChief]

Any doubt now that Josh McDaniels is a cancer that sucks the blood out of a franchise?

The Raider offense didn't eclipse 20 points in a game this year under McDaniels. 24-0 at halftime.

Typical Beli tree coach. Absolute failure outside the cheating confines of Foxboro.

[petegz28]

Any doubt now that Josh McDaniels is a cancer that sucks the blood out of a franchise?

The Raider offense didn't eclipse 20 points in a game this year under McDaniels. 24-0 at halftime.

They are playing the Giants....just saying

[Ocotillo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> lead 24-0 at half in 1st game after firing Josh McDaniels as coach. The last time they had a bigger halftime lead came 10/24/2010, when they led Josh McDaniels&#39; Broncos 38-7 at the half</p>&mdash; Josh Dubow (@JoshDubowAP) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshDubowAP/status/1721300985954570250?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[dlphg9]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Before firing Josh McDaniels, the Raiders had a team meeting where players directed their frustrations at McDaniels, and unloaded on him.<br><br>McDaniels had Antonio Pierce speak on his behalf, and Pierce brought up the Giants&#39; &#39;07 team that beat the undefeated Patriots, explaining… <a href="https://t.co/Xg0RHaWhmH">pic.twitter.com/Xg0RHaWhmH</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1721215127796518931?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

"Don't ever talk about the Patriots like that!" Lmfao. What a stupid goon.

[lawrenceRaider]

They are playing the Giants....just saying

Two weeks ago we got our asses handed to us by a team, the Bears, at least as bad as the Giants.

Pretty good early return on firing McDumbo.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

I remember last year when the Colts fired Reich and hired Jeff Saturday. The emotion of the welcomed change resulted in a Colts win in Saturday's debut...

[Eureka]

WOW just WOW.

Those Patriot coaches are poison.

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[CasselGotPeedOn]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Before firing Josh McDaniels, the Raiders had a team meeting where players directed their frustrations at McDaniels, and unloaded on him.<br><br>McDaniels had Antonio Pierce speak on his behalf, and Pierce brought up the Giants&#39; &#39;07 team that beat the undefeated Patriots, explaining… <a href="https://t.co/Xg0RHaWhmH">pic.twitter.com/Xg0RHaWhmH</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1721215127796518931?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I thought this was me for a second. <a href="https://t.co/ntVEpD7F7Z">https://t.co/ntVEpD7F7Z</a></p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1721221828813689069?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Buehler445]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Before firing Josh McDaniels, the Raiders had a team meeting where players directed their frustrations at McDaniels, and unloaded on him.<br><br>McDaniels had Antonio Pierce speak on his behalf, and Pierce brought up the Giants&#39; &#39;07 team that beat the undefeated Patriots, explaining… <a href="https://t.co/Xg0RHaWhmH">pic.twitter.com/Xg0RHaWhmH</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1721215127796518931?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

WOW just WOW.

Those Patriot coaches are poison.

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That has to be some bullshit fed to Glazer, right? No way Mcdickface is that goddamned stupid.

[FloridaMan88]

Any doubt now that Josh McDaniels is a cancer that sucks the blood out of a franchise?

The Raider offense didn't eclipse 20 points in a game this year under McDaniels. 24-0 at halftime.

Yes although the Giants are a dumpster fire.

[In58men]

They’re legit smoking cigars after beating DeVito ROFL

https://x.com/loganreever/status/1721327078044491911?s=46

[lawrenceRaider]

I remember last year when the Colts fired Reich and hired Jeff Saturday. The emotion of the welcomed change resulted in a Colts win in Saturday's debut...

That was against the Raiders and McDumbasses fault.

[Eureka]

That has to be some bullshit fed to Glazer, right? No way Mcdickface is that goddamned stupid.

Well that was his M.O. (modus operandi) in Denver. He really is that way and it makes sense as that the standard operation in New England.

[Buehler445]

Well that was his M.O. (modus operandi) in Denver. He really is that way and it makes sense as that the standard operation in New England.

I mean yeah, we all hear stories but he can’t be that fucking dumb can he?

It would be hilarious if he was. But that is almost unbelievably stupid.

Maybe if I pull up some spreader memories from Scott Franchise Killer Pioli they will jive but my god man.

[stevegroganfan]

All I see are excuses. You're just a patriots nut hugger.

Sure I am a big Patriots fan but when they suck, I admit they suck. Once they lost Christian Gonzalez and Judon, I knew this years team would be lousy. It isn't because Belichick forgot how to coach but just that the team isn't good enough or deep enough to lose their 2 best defenders. If someone on the Patriots is below average for their position like Mac Jones, I'm willing to admit it.

But as much as I appreciate Tom Brady and realize he is an underrated GOAT and his play as a first year starter is insanely underrated by pundits who barely watched him and are clueless with the lack of pass catching he was working with in his first year in New England in a less pass friendly NFL, I sure don't think Josh McDaniels was a negative as a coach in terms of X0's and teaching the game. McDaniels was helping the veteran Brady with his play calling instead of Brady having to continuously overcome his incompetence. If he turned off a few Raiders players and they gave a little less effort, I will admit that maybe McDaniels has some blame for that. But some of the Raiders players may not be good professionals. Tom Jackson of ESPN said Patriots players "hate their coach" in around 2003 after an early season loss. Maybe more than a few players did, maybe they didn't but the team still won the Super Bowl that year.

And while I realize McDaniels did not win much in two relatively short stints with Denver and Vegas, he had fairly good years as offensive coordinator with a Cam Newton past his prime having to work with very bad talent on offense and a rookie Mac Jones who isn't that good working with good -- not great -- talent. The Patriots spent on a boatload on receivers/TEs before Jones rookie year and schedule was easier.

I'm not defending the coaching abilities of Joe Judge or Matt Patricia so I'm not saying every Patriots coach that gets fired from the Belichick coaching tree is simply because of bad circumstances.

[Eureka]

Sure I am a big Patriots fan but when they suck, I admit they suck.

But as much as I appreciate Tom Brady and realize he is an underrated GOAT and his play as a first year starter is insanely underrated by pundits who barely watched him and are clueless with the lack of pass catching he was working with in his first year in New England in a less pass friendly NFL,

It was a fumble! He should've lost that game and the NFL gifted him such a BS call that they realized they needed to change the rule.

[Hammock Parties]

Pierce brought up the Giants' '07 team that beat the undefeated Patriots, explaining how that team believed they could beat anyone. Pierce said the Raiders need that mindset.

The players all loved it, but McDaniels didn't.

McDaniels told Pierce when everyone left: "Don't ever talk about the Patriots like that."

What a bunch of self-important douchebags Bill Belichick created

[stevegroganfan]

It was a fumble! He should've lost that game and the NFL gifted him such a BS call that they realized they needed to change the rule.

Walt Coleman who made the call has said that he had not seen Brady lose the ball and simply called it a fumble since he could overturn a fumble but couldn't overturn an incomplete pass and call it a fumble. This is what NFL refs were told to do. Coleman said once he saw the replay, it was an easy call to reverse according to the rules at the time.

One can certainly say the entire tuck rule was a very dumb rule -- I won't argue that...the NFL has several rules I don't agree with -- but it was a rule that had been previously called against the Patriots in a different game that same year. The tuck rule did get changed but not for many years.

Even if in a different universe, the Patriots had lost that game, Brady still had remarkable season.
5-13 in the last 18 games(5-11, 0-2) with a good to very good QB...Bledsoe.
11-3 with Brady as first year starter.

Brady even before the playoffs in New England was starting to be mentioned with Boston sports legends in the New England region. More than a few people in New England were saying he was a miracle worker.

Bledsoe, despite the 5-13 record, was hardly washed up. He helped lead the Bills to the playoffs the next year when he had more receiving talent to work with.

[St. Patty's Fire]

They’re legit smoking cigars after beating DeVito ROFL

https://x.com/loganreever/status/1721327078044491911?s=46

i’ll give them a pass, they deserve to celebrate mcdaniels being gone

[Eleazar]

Clearer every year that there is no Patriot Way, there is no dynasty culture there, there's no greatness in Belichick that matches his reputation. There was only Brady. A lot of people made their fortune and their name by standing close to him. That's all.

[Ocotillo]

Clearer every year that there is no Patriot Way, there is no dynasty culture there, there's no greatness in Belichick that matches his reputation. There was only Brady. A lot of people made their fortune and their name by standing close to him. That's all.

I also felt like as the years went on, Belichick was getting more credit for the 1986 and 1990 Giants and the 1998 Jets, and not Bill Parcells. I hope people appreciate Parcells again.

[Hammock Parties]

I also felt like as the years went on, Belichick was getting more credit for the 1986 and 1990 Giants and the 1998 Jets, and not Bill Parcells. I hope people appreciate Parcells again.

Bill was equally fraudulent with the Cowboys.

Like anything in sports, it's a team game.

Sincerely, Phil Simms.

[Ocotillo]

Bill was equally fraudulent with the Cowboys.

Like anything in sports, it's a team game.

Sincerely, Phil Simms.

I don't know if Parcells was fraudulent with the Cowboys.

In his first year, he improved the team from 5-11 to 10-6 with Quincy Carter at QB. Parcells was at the age where he wasn't in it for the long haul.

[Buehler445]

I don't know if Parcells was fraudulent with the Cowboys.

In his first year, he improved the team from 5-11 to 10-6 with Quincy Carter at QB. Parcells was at the age where he wasn't in it for the long haul.

Parcells was full of shit.

Pretty decent coach pre-internet and player empowerment. But other than being "hard nosed" there wasn't anything especially special about him.

[backinblack]

Yes although the Giants are a dumpster fire.

The counterpoint to that is the Raiders did to the Giants what they should’ve done to the Bears. The difference is a lack of a certain snake.

[ChiefsCountry]

I also felt like as the years went on, Belichick was getting more credit for the 1986 and 1990 Giants and the 1998 Jets, and not Bill Parcells. I hope people appreciate Parcells again.

Parcels never won a playoff game without Belichick. And Belichick beat Parcells head to head in 1994 playoffs.

[Ocotillo]

Parcells was full of shit.

Pretty decent coach pre-internet and player empowerment. But other than being "hard nosed" there wasn't anything especially special about him.

That's totally false.

Every franchise Parcells took over got better.

The Giants had nine losing seasons in 10 years before Parcells took over.

The Patriots were 9-39 in the three seasons before Parcells and he took them to the Super Bowl.

The Jets were 3-13 in 1995 and 1-15 in 1996 under Rich Kotite and Parcells had them in the AFC Championship Game by year two.

Nobody appreciates the work he did with Dallas, but the Cowboys were totally garage under Dave Campo with three straight 5-11 seasons.

[chiefzilla1501]

I mean yeah, we all hear stories but he can’t be that ****ing dumb can he?

It would be hilarious if he was. But that is almost unbelievably stupid.

Maybe if I pull up some spreader memories from Scott Franchise Killer Pioli they will jive but my god man.

Keep in mind that pioli kept news clippings about anyone who dared say something bad about him. It wouldn't shock me even a little bit. It's so petty to the point of being stupid

[stevegroganfan]

That's totally false.

Every franchise Parcells took over got better.

The Giants had nine losing seasons in 10 years before Parcells took over.

The Patriots were 9-39 in the three seasons before Parcells and he took them to the Super Bowl.

The Jets were 3-13 in 1995 and 1-15 in 1996 under Rich Kotite and Parcells had them in the AFC Championship Game by year two.

Nobody appreciates the work he did with Dallas, but the Cowboys were totally garage under Dave Campo with three straight 5-11 seasons.

I actually think Parcells with Dallas was not really a success but he did well elsewhere. Being stuck in the middle is a meh place to be in the NFL. And not to be too argumentative but Parcells and Belichick both got lucky with Lawrence Taylor. The team picking number 1 pretty much passed on a defensive player that more than a few teams may have picked over John Elway if both players were in the same draft.

Parcells did a great job in New England as a coach for the most part but Parcells concentrating on his exit from New England when the team was in the Super Bowl has him disliked by many Patriots fans.

Parcells was helped by inheriting the #1 pick of the draft which was used on Bledsoe but overall that first draft where Parcells had final decision making authority from what I can remember was nearly all misses besides Bledsoe. From what I can remember, Kraft stripped final decision making authority from Parcells largely based upon Patriots not doing well in the draft.

The Patriots had two great drafts in 1995 and 1996 which is a huge reason why they made the SB. As much as I like Bledsoe, a bigger reason they made it than Bledsoe and also a bigger reason they made it than Parcells the coach. Bledsoe was very good QB but not a miracle worker like Brady.

Parcells for sure added coaching competence to the Patriots but IMO it was mostly about drafting.

Parcells wanted to shop for the groceries and left New England.

A GM blowing a pick by not selecting Lawrence Taylor #1 overall in 1981 draft if you really stretch things costs the Chiefs two Super Bowl victories. According to Wikipedia, 26 out of 28 teams when polled said they would have selected Taylor.... Without that pick, Parcells and Belichick may not succeed enough in NY and Belichick may never have even been GM/coach in New England.

Parcells/Belichick are coaches that really prioritize defense but Bozo the clown could have had a great defense with some other good players around Lawrence Taylor.

[CoMoChief]

I love it when the Raiders, Raider.

Their new coach will be another 3yr loser.

Pierce should run away while he can.

[RealSNR]

*dick sucking noises*

Gross. Take that shit somewhere else. Like a Josh McDaniels coaching appreciation forum.

[crispystl]

That was against the Raiders and McDumbasses fault.

LMAO

[lawrenceRaider]

I love it when the Raiders, Raider.

Their new coach will be another 3yr loser.

Pierce should run away while he can.

Pierce grew up in Compton and is a Ride or Die Raider.

I kinda feel bad for him, but at least he's like me and old enough to remember the good ol' days.

[Skyy God]

Well that was his M.O. (modus operandi) in Denver. He really is that way and it makes sense as that the standard operation in New England.

Thabks for explaining MO for Rabbi and Billay.

Gotta KISS it for those short bus-ers.

[Skyy God]

Any doubt now that Josh McDaniels is a cancer that sucks the blood out of a franchise?

The Raider offense didn't eclipse 20 points in a game this year under McDaniels. 24-0 at halftime.

My fav anecdote/rumor is he traded Hills from the Broncos because his wife thought he was hot.

[FloridaMan88]

Wow, Fat Josh really messed up the Raiders. LMAO

You hate to see it…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">𝗥𝗨𝗠𝗢𝗥𝗦: Former <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> GM Dave Ziegler thought CJ Stroud was a “generational” talent and wanted to draft him, but former HC Josh McDaniels overruled him because he was “hellbent” on starting Jimmy Garoppolo, via <a href="https://twitter.com/HondoCarpenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HondoCarpenter</a> <br><br>Ziegler had no faith in Jimmy Garoppolo… <a href="https://t.co/5WwR8iv1uw">pic.twitter.com/5WwR8iv1uw</a></p>&mdash; JPAFootball (@jasrifootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1730331179704836528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[tredadda]

Wow, Fat Josh really messed up the Raiders. LMAO

You hate to see it…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">𝗥𝗨𝗠𝗢𝗥𝗦: Former <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> GM Dave Ziegler thought CJ Stroud was a “generational” talent and wanted to draft him, but former HC Josh McDaniels overruled him because he was “hellbent” on starting Jimmy Garoppolo, via <a href="https://twitter.com/HondoCarpenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HondoCarpenter</a> <br><br>Ziegler had no faith in Jimmy Garoppolo… <a href="https://t.co/5WwR8iv1uw">pic.twitter.com/5WwR8iv1uw</a></p>&mdash; JPAFootball (@jasrifootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1730331179704836528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Honesty I think Houston so far won the offseason last year. Both with Stroud and Ryans (who should be the front runner for Coach of the Year). That team is much better than they should be at this stage. Just glad the Patriot Way strikes again in the AFCW.

[FlaChief58]

Wow, Fat Josh really messed up the Raiders. LMAO

You hate to see it…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">𝗥𝗨𝗠𝗢𝗥𝗦: Former <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> GM Dave Ziegler thought CJ Stroud was a “generational” talent and wanted to draft him, but former HC Josh McDaniels overruled him because he was “hellbent” on starting Jimmy Garoppolo, via <a href="https://twitter.com/HondoCarpenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HondoCarpenter</a> <br><br>Ziegler had no faith in Jimmy Garoppolo… <a href="https://t.co/5WwR8iv1uw">pic.twitter.com/5WwR8iv1uw</a></p>&mdash; JPAFootball (@jasrifootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1730331179704836528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I love that for the faid

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[Bowser]

I mean Mark Davis' team played against McDaniels when he was grinding the Broncos into the ground. What the hell did he expect was going to happen when he brought him in?

[staylor26]

It's not like the Raiders had a chance to draft him though :shrug:

[Sassy Squatch]

LMAO Good grief, is that what all these goofy douchebags are going to do when they get fired for sucking? "See, I wanted *insert great player here*, but I was forced into *insert shitty player here*." Fucking Christ it's gotten to the point every single one of them does it now.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

LMAO Good grief, is that what all these goofy douchebags are going to do when they get fired for sucking? "See, I wanted *insert great player here*, but I was forced into *insert shitty player here*." Fucking Christ it's gotten to the point every single one of them does it now.

I was thinking the same thing

[Buehler445]

LMAO Good grief, is that what all these goofy douchebags are going to do when they get fired for sucking? "See, I wanted *insert great player here*, but I was forced into *insert shitty player here*." Fucking Christ it's gotten to the point every single one of them does it now.

Yeah, slinging mud and chucking dudes under the bus to try to salvage their careers. It's what happens when there is this much money at stake.

Fuck all things Brotherfucking Cheatriot Fuckbag.

[staylor26]

LMAO Good grief, is that what all these goofy douchebags are going to do when they get fired for sucking? "See, I wanted *insert great player here*, but I was forced into *insert shitty player here*." Fucking Christ it's gotten to the point every single one of them does it now.

And notice the story isn't "he had a trade in place for the #1 overall pick to take him".

[DJ's left nut]

It's not like the Raiders had a chance to draft him though :shrug:

Right?

What a stupid damn article. Houston wasn't trading out of the 2 spot (shit, they traded INTO the 3 spot) and Carolina cut their own throats to get up to 1.1 so it's not like Oakland was beating that.

Who gives a shit if Ziegler liked Stroud - he wasn't getting into the top 2 spots so it's immaterial. I mean I guess you could argue that since they were sitting at 7 and Carolina 9, they could've offered the same deal to the Bears that Carolina did and trumped the offer.

But man, if that was REALLY a consideration and the GM was REALLY that confident, am I really supposed to believe that one single voice in the room - a head coach who's never succeeded at all in this league - torpedoed it?

No, of course not. That's revisionist history. Ziegler may have liked Stroud over Young. But there's no way there was some organizational consensus that Stroud was worth mortgaging the future over like Carolina did and Josh McDaniels blew it all up.

[staylor26]

Right?

What a stupid damn article. Houston wasn't trading out of the 2 spot (shit, they traded INTO the 3 spot) and Carolina cut their own throats to get up to 1.1 so it's not like Oakland was beating that.

Who gives a shit if Ziegler liked Stroud - he wasn't getting into the top 2 spots so it's immaterial. I mean I guess you could argue that since they were sitting at 7 and Carolina 9, they could've offered the same deal to the Bears that Carolina did and trumped the offer.

But man, if that was REALLY a consideration and the GM was REALLY that confident, am I really supposed to believe that one single voice in the room - a head coach who's never succeeded at all in this league - torpedoed it?

No, of course not. That's revisionist history. Ziegler may have liked Stroud over Young. But there's no way there was some organizational consensus that Stroud was worth mortgaging the future over like Carolina did and Josh McDaniels blew it all up.

Exactly, and like I just said, if he were truly that close to pulling the trigger on a trade for the #1 overall pick to take Stroud, that would've been mentioned as well.

[DJ's left nut]

Exactly, and like I just said, if he were truly that close to pulling the trigger on a trade for the #1 overall pick to take Stroud, that would've been mentioned as well.

Meanwhile Tepper's out there saying "Hey, we expected Houston to end up at 1 and take Young, we were going to trade into 2 and take Stroud..."

That's even funnier than anything happening with the Raiders. "I promise we're slightly less stupid than you think..."

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Ziegler is just trying to save his own skin.

Any fool who believes that report should jump down a well.

Ziegler was Hondo's source. In exchange, he wrote that puff piece.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

I mean Mark Davis' team played against McDaniels when he was grinding the Broncos into the ground. What the hell did he expect was going to happen when he brought him in?

He expected TB12.

McDoofus sold Mark on obtaining Brady.

Because Mark is a jock sniffer.

[Eureka]

Stroud would've sucked/struggled under McDaniels. Stroud would've been forced to play McDaniels way instead of what Stroud is good at.

[tredadda]

Stroud would've sucked/struggled under McDaniels. Stroud would've been forced to play McDaniels way instead of what Stroud is good at.

Thought McD could turn any QB into an All Pro.

[Eureka]

Thought McD could turn any QB into an All Pro.

That's incorrect. Here is the real truth.....

Tom Brady can turn any OC/DC/Coach into a millionaire.