Could someone summarize what Andy and Pat had to say in postgame

[Mr. Wizard]

Would like to know

[tk13]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per the Chiefs, QB Patrick Mahomes was upset after the game about the offside call that wiped out the Kadarius Toney TD. Mahomes believed Toney was not offside.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1734015171159290103?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[comochiefsfan]

Hopefully Andy’s press conference starts with.

“As far as the roster moves go, we just informed Kadarius Toney that we are releasing him effective immediately.”

[|Zach|]

You have as much access to the information as the rest of us!

[|Zach|]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per the Chiefs, QB Patrick Mahomes was upset after the game about the offside call that wiped out the Kadarius Toney TD. Mahomes believed Toney was not offside.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1734015171159290103?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not his finest moment.

[comochiefsfan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per the Chiefs, QB Patrick Mahomes was upset after the game about the offside call that wiped out the Kadarius Toney TD. Mahomes believed Toney was not offside.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1734015171159290103?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Hopefully Pat brings that same energy at Toney when he sees the tape.

Hold your teammates accountable.

[Kman34]

Patrick is going to feel silly when he sees the tape..

[493rd]

“We’ve gotta be better; I’ve gotta be better.” “We’ll get it cleaned up, the guys are really close.”

[Mr. Wizard]

You have as much access to the information as the rest of us!

Stfu it’s on the radio and I am working prick

[Bowser]

“We’ve gotta be better; I’ve gotta be better.” “We’ll get it cleaned up, the guys are really close.”

Yup, we'll get the standard line.

[tk13]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid on the Toney offsides: &quot;Usually I get a warning before something like that happens. A bit embarrassing in the National Football League for that to take place.&quot; -- clarified &quot;I didn&#39;t have a protractor out there, but a bit embarrassing.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Harold R. Kuntz (@HaroldRKuntz3) <a href="https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1734016113816535367?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Hammock Parties]

whining about the refs is bush league

toney was offsides

[Mr. Wizard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid on the Toney offsides: &quot;Usually I get a warning before something like that happens. A bit embarrassing in the National Football League for that to take place.&quot; -- clarified &quot;I didn&#39;t have a protractor out there, but a bit embarrassing.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Harold R. Kuntz (@HaroldRKuntz3) <a href="https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1734016113816535367?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He’s too nice

[comochiefsfan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid on the Toney offsides: &quot;Usually I get a warning before something like that happens. A bit embarrassing in the National Football League for that to take place.&quot; -- clarified &quot;I didn&#39;t have a protractor out there, but a bit embarrassing.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Harold R. Kuntz (@HaroldRKuntz3) <a href="https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1734016113816535367?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>How about hold the player accountable?

This is where we miss EB

[FlaChief58]

We've got a few things to iron out, and that's on me. I've got to do better

[Sofa King]

Well, Andy and Patrick are wrong, clearly. It shouldnt even be close. These assholes do this for a living and it's a very basic thing.

[tk13]

Watching the Mahomes press conference and he's saying the same thing. Said he's never had an offensive offside in his time in the league. They usually give you a warning. He's more composed but still definitely not happy. Giving a longer answer about how they should let the players play.

[493rd]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid on the Toney offsides: &quot;Usually I get a warning before something like that happens. A bit embarrassing in the National Football League for that to take place.&quot; -- clarified &quot;I didn&#39;t have a protractor out there, but a bit embarrassing.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Harold R. Kuntz (@HaroldRKuntz3) <a href="https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1734016113816535367?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Reid said basically the same thing in 2018 AFCCG. Just don’t line up offsides it’s not that hard. These guys are professionals this shouldn’t be an issue, Andy. How about some accountability???

[tyecopeland]

whining about the refs is bush league

toney was offsides

Are we sure the bills player's toe wasn't in the neutral zone on the next play when he jumped early? Was that also the same ref who got Jones for being in the neutral zone for flinching earlier in the game?

[Buehler445]

whining about the refs is bush league

toney was offsides

My buddy at the game told me that he checked with the ref and the ref acknowledged. If he told him he was good to throw the flag, he should be executed.

Onus is on Toney, but fuck these refs with a D9 Cat.

[Easy 6]

None of us have ever seen Pat get that hot, it was... different

This team badly needs reality check

[RunKC]

Andy just said this wow

Andy Reid said he's always been given a warning before a penalty like Toney's is called. "It's a bit embarrassing for the National Football League for that to take place."

[tk13]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The gloves are off when it comes to discussing officiating.<br><br>Mahomes: &quot;Loss for words, man, tough. To end another game and we&#39;re talking about referees, it&#39;s bad for the NFL.&quot; -- added he hasn&#39;t seen an offensive offsides in his 7 years of p<br><br>&quot;Let us play the game, man.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Harold R. Kuntz (@HaroldRKuntz3) <a href="https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1734017768918323224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[RINGLEADER]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid on the Toney offsides: &quot;Usually I get a warning before something like that happens. A bit embarrassing in the National Football League for that to take place.&quot; -- clarified &quot;I didn&#39;t have a protractor out there, but a bit embarrassing.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Harold R. Kuntz (@HaroldRKuntz3) <a href="https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1734016113816535367?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Part of the problem is Andy not holding his crappy WRs accountable for their crappy WR play.

[Molitoth]

None of us have ever seen Pat get that hot, it was... different

This team badly needs reality check

Pat needs to be that pissed... that said Pat is playing different. He is making it his purpose to try and stay in the pocket... and out of the pocket is where he has always been at his best. He needs to escape, and he needs to threaten the defense with his feet.

[Gary Cooper]

Listening to Mahomes' press conference right now.

He's pissed about the call and thinks the refs should let them play. That play was basically all he talked about. Said that Kelce made an all-time great play which should have counted.

[Womble]

Andy: Listen *clears throat*, it's disappointing but these things can happen during a game. We're a good football team and we'll learn from this.

[Molitoth]

Listening to Mahomes' press conference right now.

He's pissed about the call and thinks the refs should let them play. That play was basically all he talked about.

But Toney was offsides.... I don't get it.

Don't call an obvious offsides, but Pat was ok with MVS getting mauled at the end of the Packers game?

[Jewish Rabbi]

Hopefully Andy’s press conference starts with.

“As far as the roster moves go, we just informed Kadarius Toney that we are releasing him effective immediately.”

Hopefully AustinChief’s press conference starts with ”We have decided to permaban comochiefsfan effective immediately”

[ThyKingdomCome15]

whining about the refs is bush league

toney was offsides

So were they on the final Chiefs drive. No call. Also no PI on the Rice catch.

Brutal, just like last week.

[TLO]

Hopefully AustinChief’s press conference starts with ”We have decided to permaban comochiefsfan effective immediately”

Winner!!!!

[Titty Meat]

Stfu it’s on the radio and I am working prick

Turn the fryer off and take a break

[Gary Cooper]

But Toney was offsides.... I don't get it.

Don't call an obvious offsides, but Pat was ok with MVS getting mauled at the end of the Packers game?
From memory, Mahomes didn't talk about that play much after the Packers game.

[Easy 6]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The gloves are off when it comes to discussing officiating.<br><br>Mahomes: &quot;Loss for words, man, tough. To end another game and we&#39;re talking about referees, it&#39;s bad for the NFL.&quot; -- added he hasn&#39;t seen an offensive offsides in his 7 years of p<br><br>&quot;Let us play the game, man.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Harold R. Kuntz (@HaroldRKuntz3) <a href="https://twitter.com/HaroldRKuntz3/status/1734017768918323224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

God bless him for speaking up, SOMEONE on this team needs to go after the horseshit

[Jewish Rabbi]

My buddy at the game told me that he checked with the ref and the ref acknowledged. If he told him he was good to throw the flag, he should be executed.

Onus is on Toney, but fuck these refs with a D9 Cat.

I’m sorry, not questioning what you were told, but I find it hard to believe that’s what your friend was paying attention to in the moment.

[|Zach|]

Stfu it’s on the radio and I am working prick

He says to me using the internet. LMAO

[tredadda]

How about hold the player accountable?

This is where we miss EB

What makes you think he isn’t?

[carcosa]

I get being mad at the refs, I really do. To have a huge amazing play wiped out by a guy having his toe over the line stinks, and I agree that it's "better for football" to swallow the whistle there.

But the fact is that Toney's toe was over the line. Line up in the right spot and we're talking about a classic ending and a big win. It's just another example of dumb fucking plays -- drops, turnovers, and penalties -- rendering everything else moot this season.

[comochiefsfan]

I don’t want to hear Pat come at the refs. That’s weak shit, even if he is sort of right.

How about step up to the mic and say:

“Here’s the bottom line, we’re not playing up to our potential right now. As the leader of this team, it’s my responsibility to hold my teammates accountable and make sure we’re ready to play. I can assure you that you will see a different Chiefs team going forward.

This is unacceptable. We’re going to have the best week of practice we’ve had all year and we’re going to come out with something to prove against New England.”

[HonestChieffan]

whining about the refs is bush league

toney was offsides


This wouldnt be CP if we didnt have whining about officials

Every game had questionable calls both ways but Toney was offsides

[Reerun_KC]

Andy: Listen *clears throat*, it's disappointing but these things can happen during a game. We're a good football team and we'll learn from this.

I’d rather have Andy choke on a cheeseburger than ever hear him say “we will
Learn from this” again.

[BWillie]

Watching the Mahomes press conference and he's saying the same thing. Said he's never had an offensive offside in his time in the league. They usually give you a warning. He's more composed but still definitely not happy. Giving a longer answer about how they should let the players play.

he's right. it's just not something that is called.

[Molitoth]

If it wasn't the first rule you learn about football... something you do thousands of times a week, I wouldn't be upset about it.

[tk13]

A more full recap of Mahomes' opening quote.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes on the final drive: &quot;It’s tough to swallow. Not only from me, and football in general, to take away greatness like that, for a guy like Travis to make a play like that, you want to see the guys on the field decide the game. They’re human. They make mistakes. But…</p>&mdash; Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1734017124710887871?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[jerryaldini]

Yes it's technically a penalty, but it's ticky tack, which is why you never see it. Do you really think over the course of a game it never happens that a toe is on the line. It's one where you can warn the player to watch it for next time instead of calling it with under two minutes in the game.

Made so much worse by cancelling a top 3 coolest play in Chiefs history. Just a bad look for the NFL, and yes, for Toney, and by extension the organization that started the season with Toney and Moore as #1 and #2 receivers.

[Titty Meat]

He said something about the OP being a faggot

[TambaBerry]

Does anyone know if he was across the actual like of scrimmage or just where the center has the ball

[RollChiefsRoll]

I get being mad at the refs, I really do. To have a huge amazing play wiped out by a guy having his toe over the line stinks, and I agree that it's "better for football" to swallow the whistle there.

But the fact is that Toney's toe was over the line. Line up in the right spot and we're talking about a classic ending and a big win. It's just another example of dumb fucking plays -- drops, turnovers, and penalties -- rendering everything else moot this season.

So his toe was over a little, it’s just a GAME, man.

[Buehler445]

I’m sorry, not questioning what you were told, but I find it hard to believe that’s what your friend was paying attention to in the moment.

I wasn't there. I dunno. It wouldn't be like him to bullshit me about it when I said, "Toney has to know where the ball is."

He could be full of shit but I doubt it.

[Why Not?]

You have as much access to the information as the rest of us!

Yeah but that’s a classic CP move. “Hey can you guys do the same work it would take me to do to get the same information?”

[-King-]

Really blaming refs for WRs not lining up right?

[Gary Cooper]

It's like calling a pushoff on Michael Jordan against the Jazz in game 6.

[|Zach|]

The last game was terrible ref wise but its really tough for us to really die on this hill when the ref was correct with the call. I get it usually is not called but...he was offside.

It all sucks.

[dirk digler]

Really not sure he was offsides because if he was it was by the smallest margin.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Von Miller on the same play <a href="https://t.co/nuy9vcRc3k">pic.twitter.com/nuy9vcRc3k</a></p>&mdash; Smith (@victorywrestlin) <a href="https://twitter.com/victorywrestlin/status/1734018027102904781?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[petegz28]

Really blaming refs for WRs not lining up right?

Think about it...they let GB get away with 2 DPIs at the end of that game and then they call us for something I can say I don't think I have ever seen myself in all the years I have watched football

[Mulliganman]

I don’t want to hear Pat come at the refs. That’s weak shit, even if he is sort of right.

How about step up to the mic and say:

“Here’s the bottom line, we’re not playing up to our potential right now. As the leader of this team, it’s my responsibility to hold my teammates accountable and make sure we’re ready to play. I can assure you that you will see a different Chiefs team going forward.

This is unacceptable. We’re going to have the best week of practice we’ve had all year and we’re going to come out with something to prove against New England.”

I get it but why not both. He can still say the latter but someone needs to speak up about the poor officiating across the league

[Rain Man]

Really blaming refs for WRs not lining up right?

I'd be a lot more tolerant if we didn't see our WR get absolutely tackled last week on another game-winning play.

[dirk digler]

Pat is right

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Quarterback Patrick Mahomes when asked about Von Miller being offsides. He gives his thoughts on the officiating crew today. <a href="https://t.co/YwmQhMXbAp">pic.twitter.com/YwmQhMXbAp</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1734020524060107037?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[WhawhaWhat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When officiating the line of scrimmage, general philosophy is not to be overly technical and split hairs over very minor infractions (such as a receiver&#39;s hand slightly breaking the LOS). However, when an infraction is so egregious and obvious, a flag has to be thrown.<br><br>Kadarius…</p>&mdash; Gene Steratore (@GeneSteratore) <a href="https://twitter.com/GeneSteratore/status/1734016334051020812?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[petegz28]

So let me get this straight.,..last week the Ref swallowed the whistle because a DB mugging our WR did nothing to restrict his catching the pass, they say...but somehow our WR lining up maybe 1 inch too far is a reason to throw a flag?

Seems kinda backwards to me

[Gary Cooper]

Someone should ask Andy why they're down 14-0 every week.

[srvy]

That blue line is for TV only its not official. The official on the line puts his foot on the line for the official spot. I think Toney was legal but a dumbass for getting so close.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBB3qz6WIAAJN0Q?format=jpg&name=medium

[petegz28]

Look at it this way... Vegas made their money again

[RINGLEADER]

Have we heard from Toney yet? Should be good for some laughs at least...

[kcpasco]

So let me get this straight.,..last week the Ref swallowed the whistle because a DB mugging our WR did nothing to restrict his catching the pass, they say...but somehow our WR lining up maybe 1 inch too far is a reason to throw a flag?

Seems kinda backwards to me

Chiefs get all the calls.

[petegz28]

That blue line is for TV only its not official. The official on the line puts his foot on the line of the official spot. I thick Toney was legal but a dumbass for getting so close.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBB3qz6WIAAJN0Q?format=jpg&name=medium

Either he is legal or he isn't...too clsoe is still legal..right?

[DrunkBassGuitar]

Shut up Gene

[kcpasco]

Someone should ask Andy why they're down 14-0 every week.

This is the real problem. I’m not gonna dog on a WR for a ticky tack call that is almost 100 percent never called.

[smithandrew051]

So let me get this straight.,..last week the Ref swallowed the whistle because a DB mugging our WR did nothing to restrict his catching the pass, they say...but somehow our WR lining up maybe 1 inch too far is a reason to throw a flag?

Seems kinda backwards to me

I don’t mind Mahomes being upset at all here.

Though Toney was lined up wrong, we saw the refs not call two DPIs that would’ve probably changed the outcome of the Packers game. Both DPIs actually impacted the result of the plays.

Tonight, they call Toney for being lined up wrong which doesn’t impact the play at all.

I think Mahomes is more upset with refs deciding to “let them play” one week then calling it by the book the next. The inconsistency worked against the Chiefs both times.

Consistency on “letting them play” or not would’ve changed the outcome of one of these two games.

[SupDock]

Either he is legal or he isn't...too clsoe is still legal..right?

Look How far he is ahead of everyone else.

[OKchiefs]

Have we heard from Toney yet? Should be good for some laughs at least...

can Toney even put together a coherent sentence? pretty sure he’s retarded.

[KC_Connection]

Either he is legal or he isn't...too clsoe is still legal..right?
He's not legal and very obviously so.

[kcpasco]

can Toney even put together a coherent sentence? pretty sure he’s reeruned.

Dude is different. The drops piss me off more than the penalty that is never called.

[MagicHef]

My buddy at the game told me that he checked with the ref and the ref acknowledged. If he told him he was good to throw the flag, he should be executed.

Onus is on Toney, but fuck these refs with a D9 Cat.

Why would that be the ref’s job? Don’t the WR’s eyes work as well as the ref’s? Aren’t there lines painted on the field?

[Easy 6]

I don’t mind Mahomes being upset at all here.

Though Toney was lined up wrong, we saw the refs not call two DPIs that would’ve probably changed the outcome of the game. Both DPIs actually impacted the result of the plays.

Tonight, they call Toney for being lined up wrong which doesn’t impact the play at all.

I think Mahomes is more upset with refs deciding to “let them play” one week then calling it by the book the next. The inconsistency worked against the Chiefs both times.

Consistency on “letting them play” or not would’ve changed the outcome of one of these two games.

When people say games are "steered", this is exactly what they mean

[petegz28]

Look How far he is ahead of everyone else.

Look how much the DB was laying in MVS last week......we can do this all day

[dirk digler]

That blue line is for TV only its not official. The official on the line puts his foot on the line for the official spot. I think Toney was legal but a dumbass for getting so close.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBB3qz6WIAAJN0Q?format=jpg&name=medium

That looks like he is more offsides than the one I posted then I noticed Creed is snapping the ball which is why I think looks like he is more offsides. I think he was legal or a toenail over at most. Really ticky tacky and had no effect on the play.

[Fishels]

This is the real problem. I’m not gonna dog on a WR for a ticky tack call that is almost 100 percent never called.

This

[Balto]

I’ve looked everywhere but can’t find a video of them getting to the line. I wanna see if Toney asked if he was good or not like some have said. Anyone got a longer video?

[KC_Connection]

It's like calling a pushoff on Michael Jordan against the Jazz in game 6.
Also should have been called, but at least that one was subjective.

[|Zach|]

I don’t want to hear Pat come at the refs. That’s weak shit, even if he is sort of right.

How about step up to the mic and say:

“Here’s the bottom line, we’re not playing up to our potential right now. As the leader of this team, it’s my responsibility to hold my teammates accountable and make sure we’re ready to play. I can assure you that you will see a different Chiefs team going forward.

This is unacceptable. We’re going to have the best week of practice we’ve had all year and we’re going to come out with something to prove against New England.”

Comochiefsfan is here to educate Patrick Mahomes on leadership and locker room culture.

[Balto]

Why would that be the ref’s job? Don’t the WR’s eyes work as well as the ref’s? Aren’t there lines painted on the field?

Because it’s very very very very common for WRs to get the ok from the ref. If Toney asked and ref gave him the ok WOW

[KC_Connection]

So let me get this straight.,..last week the Ref swallowed the whistle because a DB mugging our WR did nothing to restrict his catching the pass, they say...but somehow our WR lining up maybe 1 inch too far is a reason to throw a flag?

Seems kinda backwards to me

Don't know what a different ref crew clearly screwing us last week has to do with another crew calling a very obvious penalty on us this week.

[SupDock]

Look how much the DB was laying in MVS last week......we can do this all day

Which has nothing to with him being offsides.

[Chiefspants]

Comochiefsfan is here to educate Patrick Mahomes on leadership and locker room culture.

Where’s Matt Moore when you need him

[smithandrew051]

Because it’s very very very very common for WRs to get the ok from the ref. If Toney asked and ref gave him the ok WOW

Does he really not know that?

Everyone leaned that in peewee.

[KC_Connection]

Does he really not know that?

Everyone leaned that in peewee.

I guarantee you Toney didn't even ask.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Cheffers

[DrunkBassGuitar]

It'd be nice if shit was called consistently. It's hard to accept that the refs had to call an "obvious" penalty on the chiefs when the refs swallowed the whistle on the DPI last week. If they want teams to play that's fine if they're going to call shit that's fine too just pick one and do it consistently

[SupDock]

Does he really not know that?

Everyone leaned that in peewee.

The dude was so far ahead of everyone else. I have no idea how he couldn’t tell

Hell, I’m surprised Kelce wasn’t yelling for him to scoot back.

[KC_Connection]

Cheffers
Called a penalty that won us the SB last year.

[|Zach|]

Where’s Matt Moore when you need him

That guy was awesome.

[smithandrew051]

I guarantee you Toney didn't even ask.

I’m assuming that’s right.

If Toney checked and the ref said he was good, I think we would’ve seen a pretty obvious reaction out of Toney.

I can’t believe any NFL player would shrug their shoulders at that.

[WhawhaWhat]

That looks like he is more offsides than the one I posted then I noticed Creed is snapping the ball which is why I think looks like he is more offsides. I think he was legal or a toenail over at most. Really ticky tacky and had no effect on the play.

This can't be a serious take. He's at least a full step into the neutral zone.

[Gary Cooper]

Called a penalty that won us the SB last year.
Don't forget that Kelce and Cheffers have a history.

[jerryaldini]

The only thing that makes me feel better is they still had three plays to pickup 15 yards. The Bills earned a stop there, and would've liked to see Pat acknowledge that part. Still, you don't call that rinky dink stuff.

[King_Chief_Fan]

It'd be nice if shit was called consistently. It's hard to accept that the refs had to call an "obvious" penalty on the chiefs when the refs swallowed the whistle on the DPI last week. If they want teams to play that's fine if they're going to call shit that's fine too just pick one and do it consistently

This... all day long

[DJJasonp]

It'd be nice if shit was called consistently. It's hard to accept that the refs had to call an "obvious" penalty on the chiefs when the refs swallowed the whistle on the DPI last week. If they want teams to play that's fine if they're going to call shit that's fine too just pick one and do it consistently

or the neutral zone infractions by the bills today.......the "catch" that wasnt, etc. etc.

I'm 100% ok with that flag - IF - it's called evenly.

Kind of like bb.......you cant have a wide strike zone early, and then squeeze pitchers later.

just be consistent (for both sides).

[Stryker]

The Chiefs are trading KT back to the Giants as penance for his F UP's ROFL

[dirk digler]

This can't be a serious take. He's at least a full step into the neutral zone.

Play by play says the ball was placed at the 49. He is on the 49 yd line.

2nd & 10 at BUF 49
(1:12 - 4th) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes pass deep right to T.Kelce to BUF 24 for 25 yards. Lateral to K.Toney for 24 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on KC-K.Toney, Offensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 49 - No Play.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/Gp2T4oI61h">pic.twitter.com/Gp2T4oI61h</a></p>&mdash; Steve Palazzolo (@PFF_Steve) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Steve/status/1734009168678334800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ping2000]

Probably something about bundling.

[DJJasonp]

This can't be a serious take. He's at least a full step into the neutral zone.

the blue line is NOT the LOS.

So no, it wasnt a full step. if anything, it was 2-3 inches at most.

[SupDock]

That blue line is for TV only its not official. The official on the line puts his foot on the line for the official spot. I think Toney was legal but a dumbass for getting so close.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBB3qz6WIAAJN0Q?format=jpg&name=medium

It doesn’t matter what the play by play says. Look where he is, and look where the rest of the offense is

[petegz28]

Don't know what a different ref crew clearly screwing us last week has to do with another crew calling a very obvious penalty on us this week.

Las Vegas....last week was a very obvious penalty too...

[Bowser]

It doesn’t matter what the play by play says. Look where he is, and look where the rest of the offense is

How can he look at Creed, where the ball is, and still line up there?

[Chiefspants]

It was a penalty. Bullshit the one on Von was missed on the next play. But it was a penalty and of course it was due to Toney.

The issue is if no one in the locker room is holding Toney to the same level of accountability that Andy and Pat are holding the refs to. By all accounts Sutton wasn’t holding his D accountable in 2018. We found someone who did, and Spags D is a big reason the Chiefs now have two rings.

I won’t claim to know what’s happening in the locker room, but if Toney was just given some consolation ass slaps and “it was due to the refs, bro” then that’s a huge problem.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

MVS is probably have a sigh of relief rn because he isn’t the one who fucked up

[srvy]

This can't be a serious take. He's at least a full step into the neutral zone.

Blue line isn't anything ignore it. The line judge is.

[Arch Stanton]

Look How far he is ahead of everyone else.

He has to be on the line to cover the OT because the other receivers are back.

If he's an inch too far back, it's illegal procedure (for a Chief).

[wachashi]

Whatever league memo that was sent out after week one about certain calls not being enforced against the Chiefs must have been a doozy.

[Buehler445]

Pat is right

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Quarterback Patrick Mahomes when asked about Von Miller being offsides. He gives his thoughts on the officiating crew today. <a href="https://t.co/YwmQhMXbAp">pic.twitter.com/YwmQhMXbAp</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1734020524060107037?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pat is going to get fined, but it's good to hear it.

"To take the game into your hands over a call like that that doesn't affect the play AT ALL."

Pretty well said

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I'm infuriated. Von was blatantly offsides the next play and they didn't see that? Come on...it's hard to take these results seriously anymore

[Kman34]

How can he look at Creed, where the ball is, and still line up there?

Yeah.. Look at Creeds hand and look at Toneys foot that I hope was shoved up his ass after the game..

[smithandrew051]

I'm infuriated. Von was blatantly offsides the next play and they didn't see that? Come on...it's hard to take these results seriously anymore

The refs just let them play at the end of the game, except when they don’t

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The refs just let them play at the end of the game, except when they don’t

Exactly. Which is it??

[smithandrew051]

Exactly. Which is it??

I’ll tell you after the play and what the refs do, but the Chiefs need to know beforehand

[SupDock]

He has to be on the line to cover the OT because the other receivers are back.

If he's an inch too far back, it's illegal procedure (for a Chief).

He is a full yard in front of the receiver on the other side of the ball, two yards in front of kelce, and in front of Humphrey. He has no excuse.

[KC_Connection]

Pat is going to get fined, but it's good to hear it.

"To take the game into your hands over a call like that that doesn't affect the play AT ALL."

Pretty well said

So just don't call guys for lining up clearly offsides then if it ultimately has no impact on the play?

I don't think Mahomes is really that angry about this particular call. I think it's the accumulation of calls/losses that are happening.

[Shields68]

I'm infuriated. Von was blatantly offsides the next play and they didn't see that? Come on...it's hard to take these results seriously anymore

That is the one I was upset at. Think it was 2 plays but whatever. They called Jones earlier for flinching, then Tooney call and of those Von's looked the most blatant.

[Rain Man]

Pat is right

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Quarterback Patrick Mahomes when asked about Von Miller being offsides. He gives his thoughts on the officiating crew today. <a href="https://t.co/YwmQhMXbAp">pic.twitter.com/YwmQhMXbAp</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1734020524060107037?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I love our quarterback. He knows what it's all about.

Honestly, I bet the NFL hated this debacle as well. They want to replay that great touchdown over and over and over, and now they can't because some NFL ref decided to call a toe penalty.

[Buehler445]

I’ll tell you after the play and what the refs do, but the Chiefs need to know beforehand

And don't worry. Steratore, and the other TV ref ball washers will be here to explain it.

[srvy]

Anyway it was called and nothing will happen but an L. The O and D need to come out at the start of the game on their toes, not back heels.

[dirk digler]

He has to be on the line to cover the OT because the other receivers are back.

If he's an inch too far back, it's illegal procedure (for a Chief).

Yep. Was Toney close yes but it is not as obvious as was shown on the TV replay. It is really really close.

[Eleazar]

He is a full yard in front of the receiver on the other side of the ball, two yards in front of kelce, and in front of Humphrey. He has no excuse.

There’s no question whatever that Toney is lined up wrong. Suggestions to the contrary are unserious. He’s ahead of the whole formation.

The issue is why he wasn’t warned as usual, and why 40 was not called for being offside when it seemed clear he was.

[The Franchise]

Bet if that wasn’t a TD that it wouldn’t have been a flag.

[ghak99]

Why would that be the ref’s job? Don’t the WR’s eyes work as well as the ref’s? Aren’t there lines painted on the field?

Tell me you've never played WT before without telling me you've never played WR before.

[FloridaMan88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Jerick McKinnon: “Refs had it out for us tonight huh?” <a href="https://t.co/hsgUAVcS1H">pic.twitter.com/hsgUAVcS1H</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Ladd (@aaronladdtv) <a href="https://twitter.com/aaronladdtv/status/1734019550809571477?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[dirk digler]

He is a full yard in front of the receiver on the other side of the ball, two yards in front of kelce, and in front of Humphrey. He has no excuse.

The ball is marked at the 49 where is his foot at? You can clearly see the yard marker.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/Gp2T4oI61h">pic.twitter.com/Gp2T4oI61h</a></p>&mdash; Steve Palazzolo (@PFF_Steve) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Steve/status/1734009168678334800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Arch Stanton]

He is a full yard in front of the receiver on the other side of the ball, two yards in front of kelce, and in front of Humphrey. He has no excuse.

Doesn't need an excuse.

His foot was on the 49 yard line.

The LOS was the 49 yard line.

So it appears now that his relation to other players is what allowed the ref to justify a wrong call.

[wazu]

Oh no. I'm just now seeing all of this about Mahomes and Reid whining about the call. I was hoping Mahomes was pissed that about the offsides that they did NOT call right after it.

This season is painful.

[Rain Man]

We need to line up before the game and ask the refs to critique us. Is Jamaal too far back? Is Toney too far forward? There's apparently only about a two-inch width of lining up right.

[Chiefspants]

Oh no. I'm just now seeing all of this about Mahomes and Reid whining about the call. I was hoping Mahomes was pissed that about the offsides that they did NOT call right after it.

This season is painful.

That’s just how it is now. We wear the black cap now. NFL fans at large will celebrate any moment that’s bad for the Chiefs.

[ping2000]

I love our quarterback. He knows what it's all about.



Honestly, I bet the NFL hated this debacle as well. They want to replay that great touchdown over and over and over, and now they can't because some NFL ref decided to call a toe penalty.Agree, but don't let it get to that point. Stop committing stupid penalties, stop dropping the fucking ball and running shitty routes, stop with the 3 and outs, stop going down by 14 every game. Fucking do your jobs.

[jerryaldini]

Curious to see how the former players in the media handle this this week, or on social media. Want some objective perspectives on that kind of call. Wouldn't be so painful if it didn't cancel an all-time great play by Kelce.

[smithandrew051]

So just don't call guys for lining up clearly offsides then if it ultimately has no impact on the play?

I don't think Mahomes is really that angry about this particular call. I think it's the accumulation of calls/losses that are happening.

If they get the PI call correct against the Packers, then this one is probably easier to swallow

[TambaBerry]

Doesn't need an excuse.

His foot was on the 49 yard line.

The LOS was the 49 yard line.

So it appears now that his relation to other players is what allowed the ref to justify a wrong call.

That's what I'm saying according to the ball he is offsides but the actual los is the 49 and his toes might be barely across it. It was an absolute disgusting call by the refs and they had a bunch of them against us this year

[mr. tegu]

What we’ve become relegated to. Sad.

[ping2000]

Curious to see how the former players in the media handle this this week, or on social media. Want some objective perspectives on that kind of call. Wouldn't be so painful if it didn't cancel an all-time great play by Kelce. Nobody who isn't a bills fan wants to see that brought back.The same losers who whined non stop about the super bowl call will be strangely silent in this one I am sure.

[ChiefaRoo]

Pat is going to get fined, but it's good to hear it.

"To take the game into your hands over a call like that that doesn't affect the play AT ALL."

Pretty well said

He’s making a fair point. It didn’t affect the play at all.

[Shields68]

Doesn't need an excuse.

His foot was on the 49 yard line.

The LOS was the 49 yard line.

So it appears now that his relation to other players is what allowed the ref to justify a wrong call.

That would make the 49 the neutral zone, think it is a point of emphasis to keep players out of...the way to make the rush push harder.

[petegz28]

If they get the PI call correct against the Packers, then this one is probably easier to swallow

Exactly...they go from ignoring the most obvious to calling the very slight.....

[ChiefaRoo]

The same losers who whined non stop about the super bowl call will be strangely silent in this one I am sure.

That’s a different situation. In the SB the grab/hold by Bradberry directly affected the play.

[petegz28]

That would make the 49 the neutral zone, think it is a point of emphasis to keep players out of...the way to make the rush push harder.

The point is they called us for being questionably over the line to not calling them for being blatantly over the line....

[|Zach|]

There is one fun thing about this. If the Chiefs make a run and talk endlessly about how nobody believed in them that statement will be at least slightly tethered to reality this time around.

[louie aguiar]

Oh no. I'm just now seeing all of this about Mahomes and Reid whining about the call. I was hoping Mahomes was pissed that about the offsides that they did NOT call right after it.

This season is painful.

Not a good look. Andy almost never complains about the refs. Seasons frustrations are getting to them.

They still had 2nd and 15 after the penalty but weren't able to complete another pass.

[dirk digler]

Doesn't need an excuse.

His foot was on the 49 yard line.

The LOS was the 49 yard line.

So it appears now that his relation to other players is what allowed the ref to justify a wrong call.

Yep. Some of these people never played football. Rice is supposed to be back as you pointed out or it would be illegal formation. JFC

[ThaVirus]

Play by play says the ball was placed at the 49. He is on the 49 yd line.

2nd & 10 at BUF 49
(1:12 - 4th) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes pass deep right to T.Kelce to BUF 24 for 25 yards. Lateral to K.Toney for 24 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on KC-K.Toney, Offensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 49 - No Play.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/Gp2T4oI61h">pic.twitter.com/Gp2T4oI61h</a></p>&mdash; Steve Palazzolo (@PFF_Steve) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Steve/status/1734009168678334800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ok, now that I’ve had a chance to cool down, I suppose Toney could have been lined up correctly. Typically the ref will place the ball, everyone starts lining up, and then the center grabs the ball and gets ready for the snap. When they do that, they usually bring the ball back toward their bodies a bit, which would appear to change the LoS but it really shouldn’t.

I’m not going to go back and watch the play pre-snap because even if they didn’t call that, they could have called Taylor for illegal formation AGAIN. Look how far back he is. His helmet is supposed to be in line with Humphrey’s belt line.

All of these players are fucking idiots.

[ChiefaRoo]

Fk it. It’s over. Moving on.

[Arch Stanton]

That would make the 49 the neutral zone, think it is a point of emphasis to keep players out of...the way to make the rush push harder.

Neutral zone infraction requires the player to be warned.

[scho63]

Fuck the refs. That is all.

[dirk digler]

Ok, now that I’ve had a chance to cool down, I suppose Toney could have been lined up correctly. Typically the ref will place the ball, everyone starts lining up, and then the center grabs the ball and gets ready for the snap. When they do that, they usually bring the ball back toward their bodies a bit, which would appear to change the LoS but it really shouldn’t.

I’m not going to go back and watch the play pre-snap because even if they didn’t call that, they could have called Taylor for illegal formation AGAIN. Look how far back he is. His helmet is supposed to be in line with Humphrey’s belt line.

All of these players are fucking idiots.

Yeah Taylor was really far back. Not sure why he can't scoot up some. I just think looking at that picture how can you call that on Toney? Egregious IMO.

[Valiant]

Hopefully Pat brings that same energy at Toney when he sees the tape.

Hold your teammates accountable.

Love Pat, but he can't be the one right now. He has made a lot of bad decisions and throws this year including the int. Now if he wants to call out the entire team including himself, sure.

We are predictable on offense..
Our wr are getting worse. Drops, wrong routes, lining up offsides.

All that is on coaching.

We should still win the division. But the players need to a players only meeting and decide what they want.

Pat has been here long enough he can check out of a shit playcalls.
Teams are doubling Kelce and forcing him to look at other options. Our tackles are not giving him time as all the wr run intermediate to deep routes.

He needs a constant dump off option. We need to go two te sets with a rb. Rb and gray back to block and peel out.

We need more moving pockets for pat. Spread the field and get firsts down running it a few more times.

I hope we are just running out this shit playcalls until the playoffs.

Same with Chris. He looks like he gives up on a lot of plays. If the dude wants that contract you go hard every play or sub out.

I think they will get it going. Hell, even if balt or Miami get the 1. I think we still host the AFC championship again.

[petegz28]

https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/406515563_671342738510185_7514207287676353465_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s1080x2048&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dd5e9f&_nc_ohc=FYyb2HL0JQ4AX-KpNRl&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-2.xx&oh=00_AfCsV4gd5F85ajD9jH3iYW0bFUeRzWnU0RpR-GiBcow-sA&oe=657C3247

[Buehler445]

So just don't call guys for lining up clearly offsides then if it ultimately has no impact on the play?

I don't think Mahomes is really that angry about this particular call. I think it's the accumulation of calls/losses that are happening.

Listen to the clip. He says normally a guy will tell you he you need to be off the ball more. Have a dialogue.

To just up and call that penalty is fucking dogshit. He articulated a pretty clean argument.

[ThaVirus]

Yeah Taylor was really far back. Not sure why he can't scoot up some. I just think looking at that picture how can you call that on Toney? Egregious IMO.

Because he’s not very good and needs every advantage to do his job at just an average level

[petegz28]

All I know is that's 2 weeks in a row the Refs got involved late with us having a chance to win the game

[louie aguiar]

https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/406515563_671342738510185_7514207287676353465_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s1080x2048&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dd5e9f&_nc_ohc=FYyb2HL0JQ4AX-KpNRl&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-2.xx&oh=00_AfCsV4gd5F85ajD9jH3iYW0bFUeRzWnU0RpR-GiBcow-sA&oe=657C3247

Couldn’t believe that wasn’t called

[ghak99]

Neutral zone infraction requires the player to be warned.

Can you point me to where this is in the rulebook?

[WhawhaWhat]

Play by play says the ball was placed at the 49. He is on the 49 yd line.

2nd & 10 at BUF 49
(1:12 - 4th) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes pass deep right to T.Kelce to BUF 24 for 25 yards. Lateral to K.Toney for 24 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on KC-K.Toney, Offensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 49 - No Play.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/Gp2T4oI61h">pic.twitter.com/Gp2T4oI61h</a></p>&mdash; Steve Palazzolo (@PFF_Steve) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Steve/status/1734009168678334800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If the ball is on the 49 yard line, then the only player allowed to be lined up on the 49 yard line is the center. Kadarious Toney is not the center.

[petegz28]

I am sure this is how much Patrick cares right now about a possible fine for calling out the Refs...






I mean it's worth another look....






Yeah. that much

[ChiefsFanatic]

Hopefully Andy’s press conference starts with.

“As far as the roster moves go, we just informed Kadarius Toney that we are releasing him effective immediately.”I have not seen the presser, but Reid probably said Toney does a great job for us, and he'll learn from this.

[Arch Stanton]

Can you point me to where this is in the rulebook?

Wish I could, but I'm a FNG and can't post links.

But, if you Goog "NFL Neutral Zone Infraction", you'll see it.

First 2 sections deal with defense.

The third says the player has to be warned.

Might be why Coach Reid mentioned no warnings.

But KT wasn't flagged for that anyway.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Really blaming refs for WRs not lining up right?Have you ever seen a WR get called for lining up offsides?

Wanna know why? Because the officials, 99.99% of the time will let the receiver know if he is legal or not legal. It's why there was such a controversy last year.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Cheffers crew fucked us

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can confirm that he can confirm this. Lol <a href="https://t.co/ZnNsC9X1wQ">https://t.co/ZnNsC9X1wQ</a></p>&mdash; Tracy Wolfson (@tracywolfson) <a href="https://twitter.com/tracywolfson/status/1734029552790229055?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Arch Stanton]

If the ball is on the 49 yard line, then the only player allowed to be lined up on the 49 yard line is the center. Kadarious Toney is not the center.

Nope.

[Buehler445]

Have you ever seen a WR get called for lining up offsides?

Wanna know why? Because the officials, 99.99% of the time will let the receiver know if he is legal or not legal. It's why there was such a controversy last year.

McLauren got it same time in the game, cost the redskins the game. I think it might have been the Cowbitches.

That's the only time I've ever seen it.

Because Cowbitches, it got a lot of run.

[Chiefspants]

THIS JUST GOT GRASSY KNOLLED BOYS

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For what it&#39;s worth - I can confirm that Kadarius Toney looked to the sideline and pointed (as he lined up). I cannot comment whether the official acknowledged or signaled for him to move back.</p>&mdash; Josh Cohen (@JCohen_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JCohen_NFL/status/1734028856204333557?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[petegz28]

Dude, you knew after the BS review where they say Diggs caught the ball when everyone in the world saw it wasn't that they were in the tank for the Bills..

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

THIS JUST GOT GRASSY KNOLLED BOYS

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For what it&#39;s worth - I can confirm that Kadarius Toney looked to the sideline and pointed (as he lined up). I cannot comment whether the official acknowledged or signaled for him to move back.</p>&mdash; Josh Cohen (@JCohen_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JCohen_NFL/status/1734028856204333557?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yep just posted this too and Tracy Wilson confirmed this too. This isn’t on Toney. We got fucked worse then Brett Hart at the Montreal screwjob

[wazu]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t know what to say .. Chris Jones / DL coach throwing tablets on the ground …. Patrick going after the refs and losing it on the sideline …. Ship is taking on water … can they bail it out before it sinks? It’s going to take the leaders to grab a bucket …<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/frustration?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#frustration</a></p>&mdash; Tim Grunhard (@grunny61) <a href="https://twitter.com/grunny61/status/1734011279281446964?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Hammock Parties]

THIS JUST GOT GRASSY KNOLLED BOYS

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For what it&#39;s worth - I can confirm that Kadarius Toney looked to the sideline and pointed (as he lined up). I cannot comment whether the official acknowledged or signaled for him to move back.</p>&mdash; Josh Cohen (@JCohen_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JCohen_NFL/status/1734028856204333557?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This isn't going to help.

The refs are coming for us now because every team leader is attacking them.

The Shield cannot be criticized like this. The Chiefs have fucked themselves.

This is what happens to those who sing the ballad of the losers.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Someone should ask Andy why they're down 14-0 every week.I know the defense has been great this year, but maybe someone should ask Spags why we are down 14-0 every week.

Yes, we stiffen and play well for the overall game, but why do we keep getting blitzkrieged at the start of every game?

Even if the offense is performing poorly, being down so quickly could very well take us away from the script, or maybe even the game plan, because we don't have the luxury of setting anything up.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Cheetah also says no offsides

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">No</p>&mdash; Ty Hill (@cheetah) <a href="https://twitter.com/cheetah/status/1734025856186520052?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ping2000]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t know what to say .. Chris Jones / DL coach throwing tablets on the ground …. Patrick going after the refs and losing it on the sideline …. Ship is taking on water … can they bail it out before it sinks? It’s going to take the leaders to grab a bucket …<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/frustration?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#frustration</a></p>— Tim Grunhard (@grunny61) <a href="https://twitter.com/grunny61/status/1734011279281446964?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Shut up Timmy.

[Chiefspants]

This isn't going to help.

The refs are coming for us now because every team leader is attacking them.

The Shield cannot be criticized like this. The Chiefs have ****ed themselves.

This is what happens to those who sing the ballad of the losers.

It won’t, but my theory is that we’ve been under the zebra microscope since Andy’s little lineman experiment against the Bears.

[Chiefspants]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t know what to say .. Chris Jones / DL coach throwing tablets on the ground …. Patrick going after the refs and losing it on the sideline …. Ship is taking on water … can they bail it out before it sinks? It’s going to take the leaders to grab a bucket …<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/frustration?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#frustration</a></p>&mdash; Tim Grunhard (@grunny61) <a href="https://twitter.com/grunny61/status/1734011279281446964?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

To be fair this man has a lot of experience with doin lines

[-King-]

Bet if that wasn’t a TD that it wouldn’t have been a flag.

Flag was thrown right at the snap.

[Delano]

I have not seen the presser, but Reid probably said Toney does a great job for us, and he'll learn from this.

He did not.

He did say that in his entire NFL coaching tenure, he’s never had a call like this where the head coach wasn’t alerted. Andy was seriously pissed and some reporters caught a few pieces of shrapnel.

[ghak99]

Cheffers crew fucked us

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can confirm that he can confirm this. Lol <a href="https://t.co/ZnNsC9X1wQ">https://t.co/ZnNsC9X1wQ</a></p>&mdash; Tracy Wolfson (@tracywolfson) <a href="https://twitter.com/tracywolfson/status/1734029552790229055?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good lord, if he really checked with the line judge, and he didn't give him the heads up, and then threw the flag they should drag these fucks through the mud all week.

You'd think this should be easily verified with video.

[Chiefspants]

Good lord, if he really checked with the line judge, and he didn't give him the heads up, and then threw the flag they should drag these ****s through the mud all week.

You'd think this should be easily verified with video.

We’re all awaiting the Zapruder film

[-King-]

Have you ever seen a WR get called for lining up offsides?

Wanna know why? Because the officials, 99.99% of the time will let the receiver know if he is legal or not legal. It's why there was such a controversy last year.

And he's more responsible for making sure he is on sides. Dude is fucking 10 feet away from the ball. He shouldn't need the ref to know if he's off sides or not.

It's the simplest fucking thing you can do in football. No excuse when you fuck up.

[SupDock]

Good lord, if he really checked with the line judge, and he didn't give him the heads up, and then threw the flag they should drag these fucks through the mud all week.

You'd think this should be easily verified with video.

This would absolutely change my perspective on the situation

[WhawhaWhat]

Nope.

Please enlighten me on that rule then.

[wazu]

Oh good, SNF is planning to feature Mahomes comments on the halftime show. Awesome.

[Shields68]

Yeah Taylor was really far back. Not sure why he can't scoot up some. I just think looking at that picture how can you call that on Toney? Egregious IMO.

Because von is pretty darn fast

[wachashi]

If Toney checked with the ref, then ignored him when he gestured to move back, then yeah, throw the flag I guess. That’s the only situation I can see a flag being appropriate here after looking at the replays and screenshots.

[Red Dawg]

EB was the hammer. We don't have one now. He would have never allowed all the fuck up on offense we get now.

[smithandrew051]

This would absolutely change my perspective on the situation

Yup same here.

As of now, I’m in this boat: “Correct call but the inconsistency on letting them play or not at the end of game is frustrating and opposite approaches have worked against us the last two weeks.”

If Toney checked and the ref said he was good, then we got fucked.

[SupDock]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you wanna be upset, ask Toney why he never checks with the officials to be sure he wasn’t offsides. <a href="https://t.co/wj4WTkgtfi">pic.twitter.com/wj4WTkgtfi</a></p>&mdash; Greg Vorse (@GregVorse) <a href="https://twitter.com/GregVorse/status/1734020486357561484?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Shields68]

The point is they called us for being questionably over the line to not calling them for being blatantly over the line....

I agree with that, I just think both were off sides.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t know what to say .. Chris Jones / DL coach throwing tablets on the ground …. Patrick going after the refs and losing it on the sideline …. Ship is taking on water … can they bail it out before it sinks? It’s going to take the leaders to grab a bucket …<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/frustration?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#frustration</a></p>&mdash; Tim Grunhard (@grunny61) <a href="https://twitter.com/grunny61/status/1734011279281446964?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nah Grunny is wrong. They aren't Fighting internally. I was at the game and the officiating was horrible. Ills did t have a flag until late I the. 3 RS but we're holding our Dlline like crazy every series. It's just not the blown calls but the inequities of calling it one-sided.

[|Zach|]

We’re all awaiting the Zapruder film

LMAO

[Delano]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you wanna be upset, ask Toney why he never checks with the officials to be sure he wasn’t offsides. <a href="https://t.co/wj4WTkgtfi">pic.twitter.com/wj4WTkgtfi</a></p>&mdash; Greg Vorse (@GregVorse) <a href="https://twitter.com/GregVorse/status/1734020486357561484?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We’ll need video from the moment they break the huddle before knowing for sure.

[KC_Connection]

Cheffers crew ****ed us

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can confirm that he can confirm this. Lol <a href="https://t.co/ZnNsC9X1wQ">https://t.co/ZnNsC9X1wQ</a></p>&mdash; Tracy Wolfson (@tracywolfson) <a href="https://twitter.com/tracywolfson/status/1734029552790229055?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Interesting. If the ref told him he was good, the Reid/Mahomes anger is actually merited. This should be able to be easily verified by video.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The pool report with NFL senior VP of officiating Walt Anderson and referee Carl Cheffers on the offside penalty on Kadarius Toney and the upheld catch by Latavius Murray.<br><br>Short version: no rule requiring official to notify receiver they are offsides and this was &quot;egregious.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/8h1GrrU9F7">pic.twitter.com/8h1GrrU9F7</a></p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1734034983298245058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

This isn't going to help.

The refs are coming for us now because every team leader is attacking them.

The Shield cannot be criticized like this. The Chiefs have ****ed themselves.

This is what happens to those who sing the ballad of the losers.

Your on tilt dude...

[Arch Stanton]

Please enlighten me on that rule then.

In a nutshell, offsides requires the player to be not across (not on) the LOS at the snap.

Piggles do this all the time, during the butthole shuttle. They've been flagged for offsides, but only when their helmets were over (not on) the LOS.

Neutral Zone violation is different.

NZ mostly is addressed to the defense, but for an offense player to violate NZ, the player must be warned.

[Delano]

Nah Grunny is wrong. They are fighting internally. I was at the game and the officiating was horrible. Ills did t have a flag until late I the. 3 RS but we're holding our Dlline like crazy every series. It's just not the blown calls but the inequities of calling it one-sided.

If you’re stroking out like this I’m not sure your sideline reporting is all that valid.

I wAs aT thE gaME.

[Buehler445]

Good lord, if he really checked with the line judge, and he didn't give him the heads up, and then threw the flag they should drag these fucks through the mud all week.

You'd think this should be easily verified with video.

My buddy texted from the game before it hit 0s that he checked. I don't have any other evidence, but he's not a bullshitter.

[tredadda]

Interesting. If the ref told him he was good, the Reid/Mahomes anger is actually merited. This should be able to be easily verified by video.

Didn’t this happen last year to McLaurin with Washington?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OK I’ve seen it all tonight. Chris Jones abruptly ended his press conference as a ceiling tile fell on members of the media in the press conference room. <a href="https://t.co/l1bbCXZX2B">pic.twitter.com/l1bbCXZX2B</a></p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1734024515116507416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Hammock Parties]

EB was the hammer. We don't have one now. He would have never allowed all the fuck up on offense we get now.

I keep coming back to this. MVS not taking accountability during the week was a harbinger.

The Chiefs are being humbled.

And handling it without humility.

Bad look.

Hope BB isn't salivating over our WRs right now.

[ThaVirus]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OK I’ve seen it all tonight. Chris Jones abruptly ended his press conference as a ceiling tile fell on members of the media in the press conference room. <a href="https://t.co/l1bbCXZX2B">pic.twitter.com/l1bbCXZX2B</a></p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1734024515116507416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

“OUR PETS HEADS ARE FALLING OFF!”

[Tribal Warfare]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">An Offsides call erased a one of the more creative impromptu plays we have ever seen. A lateral by Travis Kelce on the same day the man who gave us the Music City Miracle, Frank Wycheck, passed away. Instead of that memory, we are left with more officiating inconsistencies.</p>&mdash; Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) <a href="https://twitter.com/RGIII/status/1734019563442806827?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[SupDock]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The pool report with NFL senior VP of officiating Walt Anderson and referee Carl Cheffers on the offside penalty on Kadarius Toney and the upheld catch by Latavius Murray.<br><br>Short version: no rule requiring official to notify receiver they are offsides and this was &quot;egregious.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/8h1GrrU9F7">pic.twitter.com/8h1GrrU9F7</a></p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1734034983298245058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Basically if the line judge can’t see the ball because of where the receiver is, that is “egregious”

[louie aguiar]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t know what to say .. Chris Jones / DL coach throwing tablets on the ground …. Patrick going after the refs and losing it on the sideline …. Ship is taking on water … can they bail it out before it sinks? It’s going to take the leaders to grab a bucket …<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/frustration?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#frustration</a></p>&mdash; Tim Grunhard (@grunny61) <a href="https://twitter.com/grunny61/status/1734011279281446964?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This reminds me of the Monday night meltdown in 1998 against the broncos when DT went after Shannon Sharpe.

[smithandrew051]

Interesting. If the ref told him he was good, the Reid/Mahomes anger is actually merited. This should be able to be easily verified by video.

Like I said before, we didn’t see Toney flip shit. He’d know best of anyone if the ref said he was good.

He should’ve been irate if the ref okayed him then flagged him.

That makes me think he never checked.

[The Franchise]

Egregious, my ass. This isn’t like a defensive player getting an unfair advantage.

[Buehler445]

Didn’t this happen last year to McLaurin with Washington?

It was. I thought it was 2 years ago, but it might have been last year. I remember feeling terrible for the dude.

[ghak99]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you wanna be upset, ask Toney why he never checks with the officials to be sure he wasn’t offsides. <a href="https://t.co/wj4WTkgtfi">pic.twitter.com/wj4WTkgtfi</a></p>&mdash; Greg Vorse (@GregVorse) <a href="https://twitter.com/GregVorse/status/1734020486357561484?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Worthless twat. It would have happened before this video starts.

[007]

We’re all awaiting the Zapruder film


That was one magic loogy

[tredadda]

It was. I thought it was 2 years ago, but it might have been last year. I remember feeling terrible for the dude.

It was one of those years, but this is now twice that a game was cost because of this. If the refs should give a signal then they need to be held accountable for it. If they are not obligated then WRs need to pay more attention and stop relying on a ref. Offsides or not that is a pre snap penalty that should never be left up to the judgment of the referee.

[smithandrew051]

Worthless twat. It would have happened before this video starts.

Yeah, that guy’s just farming engagement with that one.

We haven’t seen any footage to know either way.

My guess is that Toney didn’t check, but you never know.

[Red Dawg]

Toney is a moron that will be cut.

[KC_Connection]

Like I said before, we didn’t see Toney flip shit. He’d know best of anyone if the ref said he was good.

He should’ve been irate if the ref okayed him then flagged him.

That makes me think he never checked.

That has been my suspicion from the beginning, but this should really be able to be verified either way.

[Hammock Parties]

Worthless twat. It would have happened before this video starts.

We're not gonna know until All 22. It could have been earlier in the play, but the camera was on a tight shot on Bills.

[smithandrew051]

That has been my suspicion from the beginning, but this should really be able to be verified either way.

I’m a little surprised we haven’t seen a clear video of Toney getting set yet.

I figured some fan would’ve accidentally recorded it and had their clip go viral (either way) by now.

[ping2000]

NBC toting the company line. Shocked!!

[MagicHef]

Bet if that wasn’t a TD that it wouldn’t have been a flag.

Nope, flag was thrown before Mahomes threw the ball.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

lol the halftime show totally butchered what Mahomes said and made him sound whiney and then proceeded to say it was the right call and it gets called consistently
lmao @ the NFL

[kcpasco]

That has been my suspicion from the beginning, but this should really be able to be verified either way.

He doesn’t seem like a dude that would go after a ref. Andy isn’t either but he’s rightfully pissed so maybe that should tell you something about that call. It’s more of an unwritten rule that a warning will be provided before an infraction. Give me shit but I feel the same way about the Ford call. Name another franchise that keeps getting fucked on wins over some BS that had no effect on the play.

[KC_Connection]

NBC toting the company line. Shocked!!
I mean, he clearly lined up offside. That isn't telling us anything new.

[Sassy Squatch]

NGL, pretty disappointing to see Mahomes and Reid behave like this and it's becoming clearer and clearer Bieniemy and his harsh demands for accountability are sorely missed nowadays.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

If you’re stroking out like this I’m not sure your sideline reporting is all that valid.

I wAs aT thE gaME.

Yea. Driving back and spell check got me.... I'll say it again. They were holding all night and didn't throw a flag until it was so obvious they didn't have a choice lat in the3rd quarter. Just need to be consistent.

[ping2000]

I mean, he clearly lined up offside. That isn't telling us anything new.He did,but these same fuckers talked for fucking weeks about how they should have swallowed the whistle in the Super Bowl. Here it is "Sit down and shut up."

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

This reminds me of the Monday night meltdown in 1998 against the broncos when DT went after Shannon Sharpe.

Not even close.

[Rainbarrel]

Bills need to stay quiet, after having rules changed. Open season for the rest, I guess

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kadarius Toney tryna sneak out thru the vents LMFAO <a href="https://t.co/QrC5NNMNTE">https://t.co/QrC5NNMNTE</a></p>&mdash; Bask (@baskgod) <a href="https://twitter.com/baskgod/status/1734031935192674665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Red Dawg]

Everyone bitched about the call we got in the SB but this was ok. The Ford call was ok. Not getting the ball in OT in 18 was ok. Total favortisn.

[KC_Connection]

NGL, pretty disappointing to see Mahomes and Reid behave like this and it's becoming clearer and clearer Bieniemy and his harsh demands for accountability are sorely missed nowadays.
I can't say I care much about about Reid/Mahomes bitching publicly about the refs (when what they are really likely angry about is this team struggling and no showing for large portions of games several weeks in a row).

But it looks like having a hardass like Bieniemy around might have been a good thing for this team in the end.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

NGL, pretty disappointing to see Mahomes and Reid behave like this and it's becoming clearer and clearer Bieniemy and his harsh demands for accountability are sorely missed nowadays.

Yeah good cop/good cop doesn't work

[kcpasco]

I’ll bitch about Toney because of his stone hands, not this complete fuck job by the officiating. Maybe this will get Joshy to playoffs again so he can choke some more.

[Rainbarrel]

Lamar needs Josh

[Chiefshrink]

Are Dee Ford and Toney cousins??:D


But seriously, IF are offense does it's job the majority of the game this call is irrelevant. BUT because their is a lack of talent and focus guess what???? Now the refs become an issue whether accurate or not.;)

[Delano]

Terry Mccaulley claimed offensive offsides has been called 11 times this season and it has been emphasized. SNF halftime crew claimed Toney did not check with the official. This still doesn’t explain why Andy FUCKING Reid can’t get a fucking warning when that’s been the standard for decades.

[-King-]

I’ll bitch about Toney because of his stone hands, not this complete fuck job by the officiating. Maybe this will get Joshy to playoffs again so he can choke some more.

How is it a officiating fuck job that he couldn't do the easiest thing that even us regular people can do?

[-King-]

Terry Mccaulley claimed offensive offsides has been called 11 times this season and it has been emphasized. SNF halftime crew claimed Toney did not check with the official. This still doesn’t explain why Andy FUCKING Reid can’t get a fucking warning when that’s been the standard for decades.

How would that even work? Official runs over to Andy to tell him that a player is offsides right before the ball is snapped?

[kcpasco]

How is it a officiating **** job that he couldn't do the easiest thing that even us regular people can do?

Did he get a warning before a flag? Which is usually customary.

[ArrowHeader]

Fuck all the excuses. Bone the fuck up and be a man. Take it. Everything we have seen is last minute. Haven’t buried anyone because we haven’t had the nuts.

[jerryaldini]

Terry Mccaulley claimed offensive offsides has been called 11 times this season and it has been emphasized. SNF halftime crew claimed Toney did not check with the official. This still doesn’t explain why Andy ****ING Reid can’t get a ****ing warning when that’s been the standard for decades.

I assume the broadcast is backing the refs. I will be fascinated to see how the various media handle it this week.

[jerryaldini]

I will say the Chiefs had three plays after that to get 15 yards and couldn't do it.

[tredadda]

Did he get a warning before a flag? Which is usually customary.

From all reports he didn’t even check, so if true then the warning is irrelevant.

[Delano]

How would that even work? Official runs over to Andy to tell him that a player is offsides right before the ball is snapped?

They stand right next to each other. How does it work? idk, he says something? Tf do you think they draft a formal letter for sideline communications?

[-King-]

Did he get a warning before a flag? Which is usually customary.

There's no videos on if he checked and/or the ref replied. But at the end of the day it's 100% his responsibility to look at the ball and know where he is.

[WhawhaWhat]

In a nutshell, offsides requires the player to be across (not on) the LOS at the snap.

Piggles do this all the time, during the butthole shuttle. They've been flagged for offsides, but only when their helmets were over (not on) the LOS.

Neutral Zone violation is different.

NZ mostly is addressed to the defense, but for an offense player to violate NZ, the player must be warned.

They actually specifically address the offense in regards to the neutral zone.

ARTICLE 2. NEUTRAL ZONE
The Neutral Zone is the space between the forward and backward points of the ball (planes) and extends to the sidelines. It starts when the ball is ready for play

ARTICLE 3. PLAYER ON LINE OF SCRIMMAGE
A player of Team A, who is on the line of scrimmage, must have his shoulders facing Team B’s goal line.

Item 1. Non-Snapper. If he is not the snapper, no part of his body is permitted to be in the neutral zone at the snap, and his helmet must break a vertical plane that passes through the beltline of the snapper.

Item 2. Snapper. If he is the snapper, no part of his body may be beyond the Neutral Zone.

ARTICLE 5. OFFSIDE
A player is offside when any part of his body is in or beyond the neutral zone or beyond a restraining line when the ball is put in play.

The section regarding neutral zone infractions only refers to players on defense and is referring to when they move back to get onside which can still be a penalty if it draws the offense offside.

ARTICLE 4. NEUTRAL ZONE INFRACTION
It is a Neutral Zone Infraction when:


a defender moves beyond the neutral zone prior to the snap and is parallel to or beyond an offensive lineman, with an unimpeded path to the quarterback or kicker, even though no contact is made by a blocker; officials are to blow their whistles immediately
a defender enters the neutral zone prior to the snap, causing the offensive player(s) in close proximity (including a quarterback who is under center) to react (move) immediately to protect himself (themselves) against impending contact; officials are to blow their whistles immediately. If there is no immediate reaction by the offensive player(s) in close proximity, and the defensive player returns to a legal position prior to the snap without contacting an opponent, there is no foul. A flexed or split receiver is considered to be in close proximity if he is lined up on the side of the ball on which the violation occurs; other offensive players are considered to be in close proximity if they are within two-and-one-half positions of the defender who enters the neutral zone. If the defender is directly over the center, a quarterback under center, the center, and the guards and tackles on both sides of the center are considered to be within close proximity; if the defender is in a gap, the two offensive players on either side of the gap are considered to be within close proximity (including a quarterback under center, if applicable)
a player, after he has received a warning, enters the neutral zone. It is a foul, even if he returns to a legal position prior to the snap without contacting an opponent or causing a reaction (movement) by an offensive player in close proximity.

[tredadda]

They stand right next to each other. How does it work? idk, he says something? Tf do you think they draft a formal letter for sideline communications?

So the ref should have said “Hey Andy, FYI Toney is offsides”? Or should Andy be asking if Toney was onsides?

[Delano]

From all reports he didn’t even check, so if true then the warning is irrelevant.

Not all reports. CBS sideline reporter said Toney checked.

[tredadda]

Not all reports. CBS sideline reporter said Toney checked.

We should know for sure tomorrow. Either way that should not be so close that it becomes a judgment call.

[FloridaMan88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You know why you haven’t seen it? Because guys don’t line up offsides because it’s easy to line up as a receiver. it was obvious he was lined up offsides. That is just a stupid mistake by Toney. End of story. <a href="https://t.co/8MGjJabr74">https://t.co/8MGjJabr74</a></p>&mdash; Marc Boerigter (@mboerigter) <a href="https://twitter.com/mboerigter/status/1734018079321940433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Delano]

There's no videos on if he checked and/or the ref replied. But at the end of the day it's 100% his responsibility to look at the ball and know where he is.

When you’re the only one out wide like that it’s pretty difficult to get perspective and that’s why WRs check with the judge standing on the marker.