Toney's penalty: A perfect summation of our fucked up season

[scho63]

Each week we hope and pray that the drops will stop and they don't.
Each week we hope and pray that the penalties will stop and they don't.
Each week we hope and pray that the turnovers will stop and they don't.

It is not worth having high hopes when this team's roster is fundamentally flawed and no amount of time has fixed any of this shit.

The Toney penalty was just another perfect example of how this team has lost every game except Denver due to beating themselves.

It is just another perfect chapter in a season that will not end well.

I will eat crow if I am wrong but I seriously doubt I will be.

Just not our year. Accept it and look for major fixes as we hope to end the season with some positives.

[kcpasco]

It was a lame penalty that’s never called.

[Rainbarrel]

Pat's pick lost the game with the HUGE momentum swing, sorry

[TheGreatCassholio]

It was a lame penalty that’s never called.

It was a lame mental mistake that this team can't seem to quit making

[arrowheadnation]

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[Bowser]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The difference between 12-1 and 8-5. <a href="https://t.co/eYfIfjHCVD">pic.twitter.com/eYfIfjHCVD</a></p>&mdash; ����‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1734028719533019480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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[Pitt Gorilla]

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[Sofa King]

It was a lame penalty that’s never called.

It's not called because generally wr's aren't this fucking stupid. It was the correct call and saying it wasn't is just flat out being dishonest.

[kcpasco]

It was a lame mental mistake that this team can't seem to quit making

I’ve been watching this game for a long time and never seen offsides called on the offense. It’s either false start or illegal procedure that’s how rare it is.

[Bowser]

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Good God

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

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Mitchell Schwartz has a nice breakdown of this on his Twitter feed he wasn’t offsides I suggest you go watch it

[KC_Connection]

It was a lame penalty that’s never called.
Have you considered that it's never called because 99% of WRs aren't stupid enough to line up offside?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

This is not on Toney!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can confirm that he can confirm this. Lol <a href="https://t.co/ZnNsC9X1wQ">https://t.co/ZnNsC9X1wQ</a></p>&mdash; Tracy Wolfson (@tracywolfson) <a href="https://twitter.com/tracywolfson/status/1734029552790229055?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">No</p>&mdash; Ty Hill (@cheetah) <a href="https://twitter.com/cheetah/status/1734025856186520052?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[kcpasco]

Have you considered that it's never called because 99% of WRs aren't stupid enough to line up offside?

Line judge typically gives a warning if you are lining up wrong. But go ahead and continue on that this a a normal infraction.

[scho63]

He was lined up offsides.

If you don't think they should have called a penalty, that's a different argument.

There were 3-4 penalties NOT called on the Bills. That's another argument and a valid one.

[Shag]

Pat's pick lost the game with the HUGE momentum swing, sorry

On the first drive of the game? Fuck right off with that BS.

[Straight, No Chaser]

Naw. Screwed by the refs twice in two weeks. Bust out some single malt.

[Papi]

Mitchell Schwartz has a nice breakdown of this on his Twitter feed he wasn’t offsides I suggest you go watch it

His argument is the camera angle makes him look offside.. that's not really a convincing argument. I'd need to see a better angle cuz he sure looks off to me regardless of where the camera is.

[kcpasco]

He was lined up offsides.

If you don't think they should have called a penalty, that's a different argument.

There were 3-4 penalties NOT called on the Bills. That's another argument and a valid one.

It was lame and Patrick and Andy agree.

[MagicHef]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The difference between 12-1 and 8-5. <a href="https://t.co/eYfIfjHCVD">pic.twitter.com/eYfIfjHCVD</a></p>&mdash; ����‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1734028719533019480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why would Skyy Moore catching that ball have won the game for KC? You lost by 15 points.

[Bearcat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The difference between 12-1 and 8-5. <a href="https://t.co/eYfIfjHCVD">pic.twitter.com/eYfIfjHCVD</a></p>&mdash; ����‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1734028719533019480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yep, it's not like all of those things have to stop forever or even in one game... if Toney isn't offsides, he could still have the drops, they could still have the holding calls, etc; and they win the game.

Given they have like 20 self-inflicted issues per game, we're really only talking about improving by like 10%.... :D

[kcpasco]

What a shitshow. Andy and Pat obviously pissed because the official never gave a warning which is what usually happens before a penalty.

[Rainbarrel]

With this receiving core, no room for error

[scho63]

Thank you to the The Border Patrol on WHB this morning for validating and repeating the theme of this thread.

Don't expect changes from the team, it ain't happening. They are what they are and will not go far in the playoffs. Let's hope we don't meltdown any further or we could lose the division. We are trending down.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Thank you to the The Border Patrol on WHB this morning for validating and repeating the theme of this thread.

Don't expect changes from the team, it ain't happening. They are what they are and will not go far in the playoffs. Let's hope we don't meltdown any further or we could lose the division. We are trending down.

This is what alarms me the most. Fuck the first seed, I'm hoping we win the division.

It's just been a really bad year.

[Garcia Bronco]

It was a lame penalty that’s never called.

It's been called 12 times this year and clearly from the video his foot is past the head of the center and past the ball. It was clearly a penalty and it was correctly assessed.

[louie aguiar]

Chiefs have no one to blame but themselves. It was clearly a penalty. They had two opportunities in the last 7 minutes of the game and they failed to score. It was still second and 15 after the penalty and the chiefs didn’t complete another pass. They’re not going to beat good teams only scoring 17 points.

[TEX]

His argument is the camera angle makes him look offside.. that's not really a convincing argument. I'd need to see a better angle cuz he sure looks off to me regardless of where the camera is.
You mean from what you saw from the camera angle? :shrug:

[SupDock]

You mean from what you saw from the camera angle? :shrug:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Was Von offsides? Crank the sound and listen up <a href="https://t.co/xAiAPBrTLx">pic.twitter.com/xAiAPBrTLx</a></p>&mdash; Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1734014891114033437?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[scho63]

Let's face facts: the Chiefs are under the microscope of the officials and any chance they have to throw a flag against us, they will. So as a team, you need to be EXTRA CAUTIOUS and know what will likely happen.

I understand the entire seasons frustrations came out yesterday but it looked like sour grapes to the rest of he league.

Fix your shit and you don't have to deal with the refs.

[GoForIt]

It was a lame penalty that’s never called.

It's been called 11 times this season. It has been a point of emphasis this season.

[lawrenceRaider]

It was a lame penalty that’s never called.

:LOL:

I've never seen someone so badly off sides on offense, and I've seen it called many times of the years. Usually for a much less egregious offensive off sides.

[lawrenceRaider]

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Balls been snapped. Got a presnap shot?

[lawrenceRaider]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Was Von offsides? Crank the sound and listen up <a href="https://t.co/xAiAPBrTLx">pic.twitter.com/xAiAPBrTLx</a></p>&mdash; Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1734014891114033437?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Center started snapping the ball as Von moves. Not offsides.

[Chief Roundup]

Since Toney checked with the refs and the refs did not adjust him as they do usually this is on the refs.
Two weeks in a row just like Mahomes said.

[scho63]

Since Toney checked with the refs and the refs did not adjust him as they do usually this is on the refs.
Two weeks in a row just like Mahomes said.

Someone needs to show me Toney checking with refs. I never saw it.

[Rainbarrel]

You can see the yellow flag fly as the ball is snapped. With Toney being closest to the sideline throwing the flag,

[T-post Tom]

Bill Maas on 810 today: “Schottenheimer would have cut KT today. Vince Lombardi would have as well.” Time to send a message to the rest of the WR room.

[Wallcrawler]

Bill Maas on 810 today: “Schottenheimer would have cut KT today. Vince Lombardi would have as well.” Time to send a message to the rest of the WR room.

What message?

We will throw the baby out with the bathwater?

What wr are you going to replace him with that has his potential for a big play, as well as the amount of suck it requires to still be on the street 14 weeks in?

He's had some bad plays.

He's also had big plays that helped win a superbowl.

All you motherfuckers screeching about this team winning titles any time they are criticized, can go ahead and apply that logic here.

Should we fire Andy the next time he punts inside the 40 or pulls rice off the field in 3rd down?

Those are equally boneheaded things that cost us possessions.

Veach needs to go hard for Tee Higgins in the offseason and be preparing a trade package that includes draft capital and if possible Chris Jones to shore up this receiver group.

[T-post Tom]

What message?

We will throw the baby out with the bathwater?

What wr are you going to replace him with that has his potential for a big play, as well as the amount of suck it requires to still be on the street 14 weeks in?

He's had some bad plays.

He's also had big plays that helped win a superbowl.

All you mother****ers screeching about this team winning titles any time they are criticized, can go ahead and apply that logic here.

Should we fire Andy the next time he punts inside the 40 or pulls rice off the field in 3rd down?

Those are equally boneheaded things that cost us possessions.

Veach needs to go hard for Tee Higgins in the offseason and be preparing a trade package that includes draft capital and if possible Chris Jones to shore up this receiver group.


Just about any wide receiver in the current WR room can take KT’s reduced snap count and net the same results or better. Don’t make false analogies with other players. Of course you know so much more about an NFL locker room than Bill Maas, or other former players who have said the same thing. :spock:

[Mecca]

Just about any wide receiver in the current WR room can take KT’s reduced snap count and net the same results or better. Don’t make false analogies with other players. Of course you know so much more about an NFL locker room than Bill Maas, or other former players who have said the same thing. Shove your righteous indignation up your motherfucking ass.

Bill Maas probably has CTE...

And thinking any WR can do this or that is how we ended up here.

[Mecca]

Also a 3rd round pick was used for Toney...CEH is still here...Skyy Moore still playing.

He isn't going anywhere using past decisions to base on.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Problem is this isn’t Toney’s first time. Hes a liability on the field

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Also a 3rd round pick was used for Toney...CEH is still here...Skyy Moore still playing.

He isn't going anywhere using past decisions to base on.

CEH actually had a good game yesterday and yes even tho Moore is worthless he doesn’t make the fucking dumb mistakes Toney does. Drops we can handle but it’s the self inflicted penalties

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The overhead camera angle of the Kadarius Toney offsides play, via <a href="https://twitter.com/jjones9?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jjones9</a>. Doesn’t get clearer than this… <a href="https://t.co/tP4TAI8ojd">https://t.co/tP4TAI8ojd</a> <a href="https://t.co/hZeXcxzDb5">pic.twitter.com/hZeXcxzDb5</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1734208075966374377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Rainbarrel]

He didn't squat on the sidelines the rest of the game because of a ref's fuckup

[Eleazar]

He's so far offside you wonder how anyone could be so stupid. His entire damned body is in the neutral zone.

[wachashi]

The cost-benefit of playing Toney this year is skewed so heavily against him. It's damn unfortunate he's such a space cadet mentally, given his physical tools.

[T-post Tom]

Bill Maas probably has CTE...

And thinking any WR can do this or that is how we ended up here.

That’s a silly way to dismiss his comments. His comments were coherent and cogent. Did you hear the interview? I’m guessing you did not. He sounded as logical as anyone else that has analyzed the situation. Look at KT’s contributions this year. Those stats would not be difficult to replicate. He failed with the Giants, and he failed here with the best quarterback that’s ever played the game. There’s plenty of history and tape to know that KT is a JAG and not a difference maker. Unless someone can figure out a way to double his football IQ & prevent his chronic injuries, he’s more of a liability than an asset.

[Chief Roundup]

Someone needs to show me Toney checking with refs. I never saw it.There are several people confirming that they saw Toney point at the official and the official did not have a reaction. That should mean all good. I think some are forgetting this was Carl Chester's crew and the record speaks for itself that he always screws the Chiefs over.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

That’s a silly way to dismiss his comments. His comments were coherent and cogent. Did you hear the interview? I’m guessing you did not. He sounded as logical as anyone else that has analyzed the situation. Look at KT’s contributions this year. Those stats would not be difficult to replicate. He failed with the Giants, and he failed here with the best quarterback that’s ever played the game. There’s plenty of history and tape to know that KT is a JAG and not a difference maker. Unless someone can figure out a way to double his football IQ & prevent his chronic injuries, he’s more of a liability than an asset.

KT is not even a JAG lol although I would call him a difference maker just like not the difference we want

[scho63]

There are several people confirming that they saw Toney point at the official and the official did not have a reaction. That should mean all good. I think some are forgetting this was Carl Chester's crew and the record speaks for itself that he always screws the Chiefs over.

The online reports disprove this.

[MagicHef]

There are several people confirming that they saw Toney point at the official and the official did not have a reaction. That should mean all good. I think some are forgetting this was Carl Chester's crew and the record speaks for itself that he always screws the Chiefs over.

False. Andy Reid confirmed today that Toney never checked.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

He was offsides. Just as MVS was interfered with last week. The problem I'd the INCONSISTENCY of calls and the they see what they want to see mentality of nfl officiating. Look at Lane Johnson of the Eagles compared to how they officiate Jawan.

[penguinz]

His argument is the camera angle makes him look offside.. that's not really a convincing argument. I'd need to see a better angle cuz he sure looks off to me regardless of where the camera is.

The ball is already snapped in that still image.

[penguinz]

Since Toney checked with the refs and the refs did not adjust him as they do usually this is on the refs.
Two weeks in a row just like Mahomes said.

He never checked. Stop believing social media.

[BigRedChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s the All-22 film on the Kelce lateral/Toney offsides play. <a href="https://t.co/62fThV5ZCN">pic.twitter.com/62fThV5ZCN</a></p>&mdash; how bout those CHIEFS (@hbtCHIEFS) <a href="https://twitter.com/hbtCHIEFS/status/1734260266748035561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[suzzer99]

Fucking hell. That's the kind of play that can turn a season around.

[irafreak]

I could see toney as a devin hester. Just return punts.

[T-post Tom]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From Sportscenter tonight <a href="https://t.co/IsrAqDpMLV">pic.twitter.com/IsrAqDpMLV</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Ladd (@aaronladdtv) <a href="https://twitter.com/aaronladdtv/status/1734108948762968502?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>