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Ninjaman 04-20-2005 06:51 PM

Jane Fonda was in Barbarella and agreed to 3 way sex with her husband.

She's awesome !

Baby Lee 04-20-2005 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft
Yeah, I empathize. I lived in Topeka for 10 years. Every time I saw that **** Fred Phelps on my street corners I had fantasies of running his bigoted ass right over. But, I know better -- it's not my job to punish him for what I think are crimes.

So sure, I empathize. I understand why he wanted to do it. But still, he shouldn't have.

How 'bout it folks? Does this keep the hounds at bay? :thumb:

jcroft 04-20-2005 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 1punkyQB
I'll respect the social compact or whatever you choose to call it. The parallel between the situations you mentioned is what got my skirt up.

I intentionaly tried to include some that paralleled well, and some that showed the extremes that could happen if we were to allow people to take the law into their own hands at will.

stevieray 04-20-2005 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft

Sorry, but you don't have the right to take the law into your own hands, no matter how much you'd like to. Please don't tell me you agree with vigilante justice by anyone who deems it necessary.

since when is spitting impersonating an officer? vigilante justice? Guy was charged with disorderly conduct. CONDUCT. That's the core of your point. His conduct offends you. He was arrested and will be fined, as he should be. That's why they have laws.

jcroft 04-20-2005 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjaman
Jane Fonda was in Barbarella and agreed to 3 way sex with her husband.

She's awesome !

As bad as it sounds, I sort of tend to agree that this is the way we ought to judge our feelings towards actors. We don't know them personally. They're mostly not smart enough to provide worthwhile takes on solical issues and politics. If I'm deciding if I like an actress or not, there are only a few factors at play:

1. Does she act well?
2. Do I like the movies she's been in?
3. Would I hit it?

"What are her political, social, and economic values?" is NOT on the list.

jcroft 04-20-2005 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray
since when is spitting impersonating an officer? vigilante justice? Guy was charged with disorderly conduct. CONDUCT. That's the core of your point. His conduct offends you. He was arrested and will be fined, as he should be. That's why they have laws.

Yeah, you're right. His conduct offends me. But, as has been well established in this thread, his conduct was almost certainly a response to the fact that he felt she committed crimes and she was not prosecuted for them. He chose to prosecute her himself. That's taking the law into your own hands, any way you look at it.

stevieray 04-20-2005 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft
Yeah, you're right. His conduct offends me. But, as has been well established in this thread, his conduct was almost certainly a response to the fact that he felt she committed crimes and she was not prosecuted for them. He chose to prosecute her himself. That's taking the law into your own hands, any way you look at it.

BS, he chose to SPIT on her. That's it. He knew the consequences, and glady ACCEPTS HIS punishment. He is the one who is accountable, no matter how much you try to take the law into your own hands, acting like he isn't.

Next thing you'll tell me is someone needs to persecuted for giving a dirty look.

jcroft 04-20-2005 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray
BS, he chose to SPIT on her. That's it. He knew the consequences, and glady ACCEPTS HIS punishment. He is the one who ia accountable, no matter how much you think you own his actions.

Next thing you'll tell me is someone needs to persecuted for giving adirty look.

So what you are saying now is that it's okay to do anything we want, as long as we accept the punishment? Is that right?

And second, if someone spits in your face, do you expect them to receive no punishment in return?

stevieray 04-20-2005 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft
So what you are saying now is that it's okay to do anything we want, as long as we accept the punishment? Is that right?

And second, if someone spits in your face, do you expect them to receive no punishment in return?

1) Don't be so dramatic, I said HE accepts HIS punishment. Of course it's not ok to do whatever we want, but that doesn't stop people, now does it?

2)Is the guy not being punished for his actions? i think your problem is that you think the law isn't being enforced to your liking.

jcroft 04-20-2005 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray
1) Don't be so dramatic, I said HE accepts HIS punishment. Of course it's not ok to do whatever we want, but that doesn't stop people, now does it?

2)Is the guy not being punished for his actions? i think your problem is that you think the law isn't being enforced to your liking.

Have you read this thread? You have missed my point completly.

1. No, it doesn't stop people. But it should.
2. Yeah, he's being punished. I think the small fine he'll get is a totally appropriate punishment and I have no objection to the way the police handled it at all.

My ONLY point when I started discussing this is that this guy is CLASSLESS and that bugs me because he's now created a national news story that shows off how we have classless people in KC. I have NO problem with the law's handling of the situation whatsoever, and I've never said anything in this thread that would suggest otherwise.

Donger 04-20-2005 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
So, getting her into bed wasn't much of a challenge, huh?

Bed? No. Behind the QT at 103rd and Whatever? Yes.

stevieray 04-20-2005 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft
Have you read this thread? You have missed my point completly.

1. No, it doesn't stop people. But it should.
2. Yeah, he's being punished. I think the small fine he'll get is a totally appropriate punishment and I have no objection to the way the police handled it at all.

My ONLY point when I started discussing this is that this guy is CLASSLESS and that bugs me because he's now created a national news story that shows off how we have classless people in KC. I have NO problem with the law's handling of the situation whatsoever, and I've never said anything in this thread that would suggest otherwise.

I see. You're claiming his actions. Good luck with that.

I guess Al queda represents all Muslims.

jcroft 04-20-2005 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray
I guess Al queda represents all Muslims.

Dude, you are again, missing my point. Listen carefully while I make it very clear for you.

Of course Al Queda doesn't represent all Muslims. But plenty of Americans think it does. Why? Because they're stupid. Most of the rest of the world thinks Kansas is a crazy place because we "don't teach evoloution." Of course, that's not really accurate -- but that's what they hear. The rest of the country thinks Kansas just "banned gay marraige." Of course, we know that's not even close to being accurate -- but that's what they hear (either because of bad reporting or selective listening".

I read the article above as someone who knew NOTHING about Fonda's actions in Vietnam. The article above told me some dud spit in her face because of her protest. It didn't tell me a damn thing about what she did in protest. I assumed she held up some signs or something. Why should I have believed otherwise if the article doesn't tell me?

Now that I know more of the story, I understand why the guy spit on her. And I still think it was a classless thing to do. Nothing you can say will change my mind. Sorry.

Skip Towne 04-20-2005 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jcroft
Have you read this thread? You have missed my point completly.

1. No, it doesn't stop people. But it should.
2. Yeah, he's being punished. I think the small fine he'll get is a totally appropriate punishment and I have no objection to the way the police handled it at all.

My ONLY point when I started discussing this is that this guy is CLASSLESS and that bugs me because he's now created a national news story that shows off how we have classless people in KC. I have NO problem with the law's handling of the situation whatsoever, and I've never said anything in this thread that would suggest otherwise.

Man, do you EVER run down?

jcroft 04-20-2005 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
Man, do you EVER run down?

Yeah. I'm definitely tired of this thread. Nice discussion, everyone. :)


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