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TEX 08-02-2005 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
What was Shanahan's record without John Elway, regardless of where it was?

Exactly.

Okay. Point taken. Now I'll throw out another name - BILLICHICK. Wonder what would have happened if he wasn't given another chance after Cleveland? :hmmm:

Raiderhater 08-02-2005 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch
For the sake of argument lets say DV is definitely gone next year.

Looking around the league I don't see any of the top 10 coaches getting fired or reaching the end of their contracts, so the idea of landing a big name who's already been a HC looks unlikely.

That means we'll hire:

A) A college coach.
B) An NFL coordinator
C) Promote a coach in-house.

Which of those three options looks the best to you?...


That would depend on who is available in all three catagories, wouldn't?

TEX 08-02-2005 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder
When asked which QB both prefered, Gun said Grbac, Al said Gannon. That was some of it.

And who was right? :hmmm:

Mr. Laz 08-02-2005 01:37 PM

isn't Ferentz an Ioweenie?


that kinda sucks



heh

Brock 08-02-2005 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch
That means we'll hire:

A) A college coach.
B) An NFL coordinator
C) Promote a coach in-house.

Which of those three options looks the best to you?...

It will be both B and C.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX
Okay. Point taken. Now I'll throw out another name - BILLICHICK. Wonder what would have happened if he wasn't given another chance after Cleveland? :hmmm:

For every one of your Bill Belichik's I can name 3 Chan Gailey's.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch
For the sake of argument lets say DV is definitely gone next year.

Looking around the league I don't see any of the top 10 coaches getting fired or reaching the end of their contracts, so the idea of landing a big name who's already been a HC looks unlikely.

That means we'll hire:

A) A college coach.
B) An NFL coordinator
C) Promote a coach in-house.

Which of those three options looks the best to you?...

Ultimately, I don't think Carl can resist the lure of once again trying to artificially recreate the Marty years.

I think our next head coach will likely be Herm Edwards or someone like him.

BigRedChief 08-02-2005 01:43 PM

What happend to Stoops as "the" college coach for the Chiefs?

I think Sanders has the job so its a moot point.

the Talking Can 08-02-2005 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch
Hiring a HC that wants to hire completely different players to implement his offense/defense would be idiotic.

A lot of the starters on our offense are old but there's also a lot of young depth. Green likely has 2, perhaps 3 years left in him. LJ will step in for Priest, and he's proven he can produce. Gonzo probably has 5 years left. If we can find a way to replace Roaf and Shields with quality starters our offense will still be top 5 in the league.

Our defense is young. All three of our starting LB's are young. Outside of hicks our whole defensive line is young. Knight and Surtain aren't spring chickens but we've got plenty of depth at S and our only real area of concern would be CB.

The only holes this team will have over the next 2 to 3 years will be Offensive line, CB, and WR...

I agree. We are actually in pretty good shape...much to my own surprise.

In the next 3 years we'll need a LT, a #1WR to replace Kennison, a young CB to replace Warfield, a DE to replace Hicks...and maybe, unfortunetly, a DT.

We also, of course, need a QBOTF or we'll have to roll the dice on another "Vet" like Green. Over 3 years that is all doable with smart drafts.

Bell and Surtain have 3+ years. DJ/Fujita/Fox have 3+ years. Wesley has 3+ years. LJ. Holcombe. Parker. Dante. Crap-ho. Wilson. Allen. Siavvi(??). Welbourne to replace Shields.

I realize CP doesn't like AS, but I hope AS gets the job. He isn't Vermeil. He is brilliant at using spare parts and scraps to whip the best defenses in the league. I'd like to keep that mind on our sideline. Gun can stay at DC and purge his shitty defensive coaches.

Rausch 08-02-2005 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
For every one of your Bill Belichik's I can name 3 Chan Gailey's.

The same can be said of 1st round QB's.

And I wonder if the Rams would make a move for Saunders this year if Martz continues to be an underachiever. :hmmm:

the Talking Can 08-02-2005 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
our next head coach will likely be Herm Edwards or someone like him.


that would be a disaster...makes me sick to think about it

Rausch 08-02-2005 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
Ultimately, I don't think Carl can resist the lure of once again trying to artificially recreate the Marty years.

I think our next head coach will likely be Herm Edwards or someone like him.

I happen to like Herm Edwards.

But, we probably wouldn't be able to see eye to eye on a HC with a telescope... :p

TRR 08-02-2005 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
I absolutely make sense.

Read your statement again, like this:

And the same amount of coordinators go on to be successful NFL Head Coaches. Start fresh? Why would you possibly want to give up arguably the best defensive mind in the NFL? Why would you want to start fresh? You even say he deserves to be a head coach, so why not KC? Cunningham will bring new dimensions to the table than Schottenheimer.

Wow. You have no point. Everyone knew Cunningham was a Shottenheimer clone. You really haven't done your research if you think Saunders wouldn't bring something new to the table. Saunders is more of an in your face coach than Vermeil ever was. Saunders has taken the "Rams" offense, and tailor fitted it to KC's strength's. If you don't think Saunders can adapt, and bring something new, then your warped. Go to a Training Camp once and tell me Saunders is anything like Vermeil on the practice field.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
Over 3 years that is all doable with smart drafts.

Which basically means the Chiefs are screwed. Unless Carl Peterson gets hit by a bus.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
Bell and Surtain have 3+ years. DJ/Fujita/Fox have 3+ years. Wesley has 3+ years. LJ. Holcombe. Parker. Dante. Crap-ho. Wilson. Allen. Siavvi(??). Welbourne to replace Shields.

Bell may or may not be constantly injured. Holcombe is 30. Welbourn's knee injury has turned out to hobble him quite a bit worse than they thought.

And then you have Fox, Parker, Craphonso, Wilson, and Siavii, all of which are AT BEST unproven and at worst busts.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
I realize CP doesn't like AS, but I hope AS gets the job. He isn't Vermeil. He is brilliant at using spare parts and scraps to whip the best defenses in the league. I'd like to keep that mind on our sideline. Gun can stay at DC and purge his shitty defensive coaches.

Yes he is. So was Mike Martz. Or Brian Billick. Or Norv Turner. I realize it's not a popular position, but I've seen plenty from Saunders that suggest (to me) that he's SO GOOD at offense, that he wouldn't be able to see the forest through the trees as a head coach.

htismaqe 08-02-2005 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR
Wow. You have no point. Everyone knew Cunningham was a Shottenheimer clone. You really haven't done your research if you think Saunders wouldn't bring something new to the table. Saunders is more of an in your face coach than Vermeil ever was. Saunders has taken the "Rams" offense, and tailor fitted it to KC's strength's. If you don't think Saunders can adapt, and bring something new, then your warped. Go to a Training Camp once and tell me Saunders is anything like Vermeil on the practice field.

Just because you can't understand it, doesn't mean I don't have a point. Trying to suggest I haven't done my "research" says exactly where you stand.


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