Actually HCChief,

Going back to the original post and subsequent replies Taco John didn't start the name calling

Soliday

soliday-

True enough. It was the constant cry of 'racism' that drew me into it and inclined me to target Taco John. I'm just really sick of that because it's nearly impossible to defend against in today's society, despite the fact that it's simply wrong.

I've been in Frazod's shoes under different circumstances. I my mind, he was just venting at the start, and then reacting to TJ's barbs later. I feel his pain. Been there and done that. Then, he came clean at the end, which cemented the deal. So I gave him a bye. (But I still have to discuss public smoking with him.)

LapDog

And people who lean conservative do the exact same thing. They paint all people who lean to the left w/ the same broad brush. In fact, on this board it's usually a lot worse toward the left leaners. The conservatives on this board usually resort to name calling and hate filled, condesending replies when arguing w/ liberals.

It definitely works both ways. To say it doesn't is ethier dishonest, or ignorant.


The only person who I have seen on this board that legitimately sees both points of view is Gaz.

Bob Dole feels obligated to apologize for being an Amerindian-Hessian and sporting a penis.

Mr. Dole ...are you sure on that last part.

Sorry Senator... with the whole viagra thing... I couldn't resist the cheap shot.

--Kyle

Positive.

Cannibal-

I'm not really conservative. I'm just anti-liberal. Not anti-liberals... there is a difference, you know.

I'm sure conservatives (and anti-liberals) do the same thing. It just isn't as obvious to me when it happens. I don't think it's as egregious, or as frequent, but it does happen. It could be selective memory on my part. But obviously, I don't think so.

I'll take your word on Gaz. I like to think that I'm pretty objective. Actually, it seems to me that most people on this board can see both sides of an issue when they're not in the heat of battle.

But most have a definite preference, at least on some issues. I attribute most of our differences in opinion to differences in values. Some say Compassion is most important, others say Justice. Some say Uniformity is better, some say Diversity. Order vs Creativity, Innocence vs Experience are two more. Yin, Yan. It's just the way life is.

One thing's for sure. You, Clint, oleman47, Taco John, and the rest (Skipper and Mary Ann) have your work cut out for you on this board, since you're definitely in the minority.

Regards,
LapDog

Hey Dole,

Does that mean that
a) you are from Hesse
b) your ancestors are from Hesse
c) you are a German mercenary who served during the Revolutionary War with the British soldiers
d) you are a practical joker with a bad sense of humor
e) none of the above
f) all of the above


Remember: there are no wrong answers.

Choice "c" would apply to Bob Dole's maternal ancestry.

Although Bob Dole prefers to think of Bob Dole's self (more or less) in the words of Dennis Leary:

<i>I’m just a regular Joe, with a regular job
I’m your average white, suburbanite slob
I like football and porno and books about war
I got an average house, with a nice hardwood floor
My wife and my job, my kids and my car
My feet on my table, and a Cuban cigar...</i>

Your mom fought in the Revolutionary War?
She must be old.

LD
sorry, I'm degenerating into compulsive behavior

wow... i sense a lot of love in this topic... :-)

I too live in an area that is overun by MExican immigrants that can't speal English. They work in the Tyson plant near my home...

Suprisingly, most of these people came from California, where they had lived for years, and they still can't speak English. I definitely think knowing how to speak the language of the land should be a requirement for citizenship. There's nothing racist about that...

I'd also like to see a crackdown on illegal immigrants... Tyson's employs hundreds of them, lured by advertising in Mexico that only has 2 English words on it: Sedalia, Missouri.

duncan
proposes building a wall along the Rio Grande... to keep illegals out!

LapDog: As I read this post from the beginning, I was noticing the same things that you documented in your dissertation a few posts back. You saved me many words, thanks, cause I was going to observe the same things.

In fact, most of the 'political' or current events posts in the past, this (pulling out the racist tag) is quite the common technique.

There are a couple of points that I noticed, that I thought I would point out:

First, I thought that Taco John was fat fingering the KB or something when he kept mentioning fascism. Facism really doesnt fit in the attacks that he was making, but I find this a common mistake made among those that like to 'hurl the bad buzz words' and it just gets thrown in for good measure. Fascism for those keeping score is a govermental system which is a one party dictatorship with a large centralized govt controlling all industry and finance. It's a pretty good bet that frazod, who was the target of those responses, does not support government control or a dictatorship.

Second, The original post lacks any real conviction or stance on an issue. By that I mean that it's not consistent. IE, 'I see black, but also see white'...With the exception of the last two paragraphs, it's relatively innocuous and as such, since it lacks a consistent stance, I dont see how it could be classified as 'good' over 'bad'--it's more like both at the same time since it has no core.

KCTitus-

Great post! "dissertation" I like that. I think I'll go for my "PHD" &ltsnicker, I'm so childish&gt as a PoliSci major and I won't even have to do a dissertation. Thanks for the compliments.

Regarding fascism, hee heeeee, I looked that one up too. It was going to be one of my talking points. Taco John is the liberal. If anybody is for centralized government, it would be him, not Frazod. A Fascist accusing Frazod of fascism! Hypocrite!

But I dropped the argument. I found a definition similar to yours. But the definition I found included "severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition". I could have made the 'forcible suppression' stick due to liberals' desire for large, oppressive government. The rub was the economic and social regimentation. That seemed to be something that he could grab hold of and use against me, since many liberals use the 'rich get richer, poor get poorer' class arguments. In retrospect, I should have taken a cue from Bill O'Reilly. He consistantly points out that the demogogues I listed are the ones who are encouraging class warfare and keeping their own people down, for their own personal gain. Still, it's a bone of contention and I wanted my case to be able to avoid armor-piercing attacks.

Did you notice that I returned with communism instead of fascism? I didn't want any chinks in the armor. I figured communist fit better and he was less likely to latch on to it.

I'm very impressed by your second point. Great insight! As I was reading Taco's original post, I had a vague sense that I was being bamboozled, but I couldn't put my finger on it. It wasn't until those last two paragraphs that I instictively recoiled. Good call.

LapDog

Yeah, LapDog...that's it.

How Bob Dole, as an infant, loved being suckled at Bob Dole's mothers' breast while tutored in the intricacies of the Short Plains Kentucky Flintlock Rifle. The memories of her scent--black powder mingled gently with rose hips--return Bob Dole to a much simpler time.

Fascism is conservative leaning:

fascist adj : relating to or characteristic of fascism; "fascist propaganda" [syn: fascistic] n : an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views


It's the equivalent of someone calline me, a moderate, a communist.

Speaking of hypocrites, Frazod's lapdog throws that word around quite a bit. Funny that he'd accuse me of using the word "racist" so often, and then turn around and throw the word "hypocrite" around like it's nothing.

Perhaps it's because he's a hypocrite himself?

Just an observation.