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OK Mr. Croyle, I've defended loyally on this forum. (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=184664)

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 4751661)

I don't realistically see how the team will have a complete picture of Croyle at the end of the 2008 season. New OL, new system, inexperienced WR's. I don't think any young QB would do well in that situation.

Yes, the table is certainly set for another offseason of excuses.

I'll go on record right now and say he wont make it through the whole season healthy.

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Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts (Post 4751566)

He is definitely passionate about his convictions, but he'll admit when he's wrong. He's not always open minded, but who is? Solid poster that Mic Jones.

He sure has gift for saying something simple real fancy. He seems to be very bright but seems to put much effort into showing it. Less his victim mentality he is a pretty solid poster.

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 4751554)

It's humorous that you think so little of him that you feel he shouldn't even be compared to other QBs.

He shouldn't be compared to Hall of Fame QB's.
Not where it concerns performance.

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The fact that you won't even acknowledge the similarity in first game starts shows your bias. Would it have been wrong to compare Aikman or Elway in their first 6 starts to HOF QBs at that time? What's the requirements for this comparison rule you think exists?

There's another reason why he isn't comparable...
HE WAS TAKEN IN THE THIRD ROUND OF THE NFL DRAFT.
The other QB's were #1 overall picks. You can't be this numb.

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And I don't know how you can say that's the way of the NFL. Simply looking at the current list of starting QBs proves that to be wrong. By your standards, players like Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Marc Bulger, and David Gerrard should have never seen the field.

First 6 starts for each QB...

Tom Brady
10 TD's
5 INT's
1,273 Passing Yards
Game 4, 148.3 QB Rating
Game 6, 124.4 QB Rating

Tony Romo
10 TD's
4 INT's
1,651 Passing Yards
Game 2, 109 QB Rating
Game 3, 126.8 QB Rating
Game 5, 148.9 QB Rating

Marc Bulger
14 TD's
6 INT's
1,815 Passing Yards
Game 4, 131.7 QB Rating
Game 5, 100.5 QB Rating

David Garrard
5 TD's
2 INT's
1,044 Passing Yards
Game 5, 103.3 QB Rating

To summarize...
Each QB had better numbers. Each QB improved over time.
Each QB earned more time to develop.

Can we please stop using these QB's as examples for how we should handle Brodie Croyle?

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 4751558)

Good post Frankster, none of us can be 100% sure of Brodies future success/failure...but Micjones wont give even a little credence to the good points made in favor of Brodie.

I dont know that i've ever seen Mj concede a single point about anything.

Stubborn as a mule.

There's nothing to concede. I'm ripping holes into these lame arguments about Croyle one by one.

Read on.

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Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts (Post 4751566)

He is definitely passionate about his convictions, but he'll admit when he's wrong. He's not always open minded, but who is? Solid poster that Mic Jones.

Thank you Flops.
I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong.
If Croyle pans out... I promise you that I will eat crow with the same enthusiasm I've used to put together these arguments.

My word.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4751577)

That's why I said Mj personally doesn't like him.

I don't mean, he knows him, and think he's a shithead.

I mean HE personally doesn't want him to be our QB.

Again, it isn't personal.
It's based on my evaluation of his performance and response to pressure.
That's the only reason why I'm not fond of him.

I would love to see him win this job. I just don't wanna see it handed to him.
And I'm tired of readymade Croyle excuses.

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 4751688)

He sure has gift for saying something simple real fancy. He seems to be very bright but seems to put much effort into showing it. Less his victim mentality he is a pretty solid poster.

I don't have a victim mentality.
Please don't ever lay that charge to me again.

I am a law-abiding, tax-paying, father who is living out his dream and helping others along the way. The fact that I tell the truth about this country does not make me a victim.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4751697)

There's nothing to concede. I'm ripping holes into these lame arguments about Croyle one by one.

Read on.

:ZZZ::ZZZ::ZZZ:

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Originally Posted by GOATSE (Post 4751673)

That was me. And yes, I think that's fair.

I don't think it is fair. Cutler got sacked 27 times last year over 16 games. Huard and Croyle went down 47 times. Unless the OL improves dramatically you can't expect a guy that is going to get sacked about 50 times to put up the same numbers as a guy that is getting sacked around 25 times.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4751705)

We have already been there, did not intend to offend. Glad you are happy in life.

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 4751710)

:ZZZ::ZZZ::ZZZ:

Wow... I guess everybody falls back on the emoticons when they don't have an argument good enough to rebutt.

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 4751715)

We have already been there, did not intend to offend. Glad you are happy in life.

Fair enough. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4751730)

Wow... I guess everybody falls back on the emoticons when they don't have an argument good enough to rebutt.

Oh wowzers...you've been rebutted with good points by myself & others several times, all to no avail.

Debating you is often like trying to teach a cat to play fetch.