First, Fish I don't hate Herm he is a good guy just a horrible head coach.

Second, I find it funny that it took Herm 3 years and an embarrassing playoff loss to figure out that R2P2 doesn't work. We all know why they changed the offense. It was because Thigpen sucks when he is under center we witnessed first hand against Atlanta and then in spot duty in a few other games before he became the starter.

Third, it is my belief that they would immediately switch back to R2P2 if they had a QB that could play under center. Chiefzilla is correct when he says that Herm and Chan have similar philosophies on that.

I will give some credit for them changing it up but let's not fool ourselves that it came out of some sort of enlightened process. It was born out of necessity...period.

I agree with most of that. But I don't think we'll ever go back to R2P2. Never as bad as what we saw in 06-07 anyway. We may end up taking a pocket passer and running more from under center, but I don't think we'll ever be back to that nastiness. I've seen too much creativity with the few tools we have now to think that a better QB and a few linemen could drag us down to R2P2 level. If we keep Thigpen, then we'll continue with some form of the spread. If we draft a first round traditional pocket passer, then that alone will bring the offense above R2P2 level.

And I don't care if it was born out of necessity. Many great things in the NFL come about that way.

I wonder if Chiefs Planet was around back then, if there would've been Frank Gansz apologists?

I have said all along Herm isnt going anywhere until at least after the 09 season. I hope he's gone this year, but i dont see it.

Me either. If it works it works. You still need a defense and we do not have that. If you can score, i dont care how you score, but you have to play defense, bring a rock solid Defense and you have a chance to do great things in the season.

A new Gm is not keeping a guy who just went 2-22, Herm knows this, he's already calling the team "they".

Like Carl completing the entirety of his contract? Herm and Carl are attached at the hip, many have said that including some kcchiefs.com's own writers. If one goes down the other will get fired too.

Correct... the only way Herm is staying is if Clark Hunt madates that any GM who comes in has to keep Herm... Clark hasn't said that.

Herm tried to rebuild a franchise without first solidifying the foundation which is the QB, the offensive and defensive lines. That will be his ultimate nail in the coffin.

He tried with the defensive line and ****ed up.

Herm's check is already written ... Bonus and expences paid ... Hope the tears don't blind him from finding the bus door ....

Exactly.
I could care less how much the players like the club herm atmosphere.
Its like on the job if someone has a cushy boss, if a real go getter takes his place then people actually have to work hard.

It bears repeating - no GM worth a damn likely getting his first shot at the position is going to keep a coach that has gone 15-47 over the past three seasons, "deeply respected" or not.

He's done. He went from bad to worse in 3 years. Here's a lollipop to help you get over it.

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