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stevieray 02-10-2009 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477179)
I've seen a lot of name calling, and misdirection, but I've yet to see anyone actually answer this question and state a case for Tyler Thigpen.

I've seen several people make a case against him, but have yet to see anyone actually state a case.

Anyone?

I'll play Huckelberry.

Tough. Name me the last time the chiefs had healthy starter for eight games, let
alone a season. willing to block, willing to go for the qb draw on the goal. Strong arm, quick release.

Mobile. faster than he looks..runs for first downs, scrambles, throws well on the run.

Accurate. Bowe dropped alot of balls, yet still he and Tony had good seasons. this is the key area..as noted by zach, no OTA's, no TC..to deny this time with Wr's isn't vital is insane.

Adversity. this is huge for me...TG said he doesn't get down after a bad play...he ran the two minute drill pretty decent..the Jet's gaem comes to mind...

Smart. coming off the bench at number three and even scoring is positve. makes good decisions, needs work on reads etc...practice makes perfect

Cheifs...came into a cluster**** rebuild under Herm Edwards. Nuff said.

What I don't get is almost everyone on this board knew and expected to be pretty bad this last year, and then use the very thing they thought would happen and then flip it with high standards and then complain why someone isn't producing at a high level in his first gig on the fly.

SAUTO 02-10-2009 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5477295)
You don't risk our future on "we don't know." Even if we draft a QB Thigpen will still be on the roster, and maybe he can become something. But you don't skip over a potential franchise QB because a late round pick might somehow become a good NFL quarterback when you have little reason to believe he will do so.

potential=we dont know. draft a guy or thigpen it's the exact same- we dont know

DaneMcCloud 02-10-2009 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477307)
I don't think there is any reason that giving decent coaching and an offseason\traning camp Thigpen couldn't have success in a system made for him by our new coach...even under center.

Nobody had success behind that line under center...even Huard who has shown he can do some good things at QB.

That's untrue. Huard had a career game against the Broncos while under center.

Again, Thigpen may improve someday and have the ability to play under center.

But would you be willing to stake your reputation (and your franchise) on Tyler Thigpen if you were Haley, Pioli or Hunt?

I don't think so.

Basileus777 02-10-2009 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477300)
And drafting someone like Sanchez isn't risking our future?

It was great seeing Leinart play for the Cards in the Superbowl.

Drafting anyone is a risk. Drafting a quarterack may be riskier than drafting a linebacker, but they are also far more important to a team. To be a consistent contender in this league you need a franchise quarterback, and it is well worth the risk to draft one in the top 10 where you have the best chance of finding one. If you don't have a franchise quarterback, you don't pass one up in the draft.

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477307)
I don't think there is any reason that giving decent coaching and an offseason\traning camp Thigpen couldn't have success in a system made for him by our new coach...even under center.

Nobody had success behind that line under center...even Huard who has shown he can do some good things at QB.

Ironically, we didn't have anyone talented taking snaps behind that line under center.

Better than bad does not equal good.

SAUTO 02-10-2009 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5477305)
No...but he'll at least know how to run a pro-style offense.

yep IN COLLEGE

DaneMcCloud 02-10-2009 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5477313)
potential=we dont know. draft a guy or thigpen it's the exact same- we dont know

Untrue.

Stafford and Sanchez are bigger, taller and stronger than Thigpen. They've also been playing in a Pro-Style offense for at least three years (if not four).

Thigpen's been in the spread for the past three years because he can't read defenses.

whoman69 02-10-2009 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop_74 (Post 5477056)
I just trust Pioli's judgment more so than anyone else on this board. I am not going to cry either way. If Pioli keeps him, I assume he sees promise in the boy, and I will support.

I'm surprised it took 8 posts for someone to say "In Scott We Trust."

doomy3 02-10-2009 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5477306)
Everyone runs their offense in a spread from time to time. Three wideouts, shotgun, etc.

The difference is that those teams can also run their offense effectively with their QB under center. Why? Because the QB's that you mention (Warner, Brady, Brees & Manning) know how to read a defense.

Thigpen was horrendous under center against the Raiders, Falcons and Panthers. Furthermore, the Chiefs couldn't score in goal line situations when Thigpen was under center.

He's just not capable of running a Pro-Style offense at this time. Will he ever be capable? That's hard to say. But I wouldn't bank MY franchise on that risk.


I see what you're saying, but I really have a hard time believing that just because Thigpen was under center that we couldn't get a yard on a handoff when we needed it, and we couldn't. Couldn't that be something more than Thigpen sucks from under center? Seems like there could be other factors like LJ/OLINE/Playcalling sucking.

The_Doctor10 02-10-2009 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5477304)
You are aware that Sanchez and Leinart are nothing alike right?

And the Leinart thing has been covered a million times it's to bad you failed to notice.

Fine, draft Sanchez. I don't think he's that bad a prospect tbh. I just think Stafford is going to be an awful NFL QB.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5477316)
Drafting anyone is a risk. Drafting a quarterack may be riskier than drafting a linebacker, but they are also far more important to a team. To be a consistent contender in this league you need a franchise quarterback, and it is well worth the risk to draft one in the top 10 where you have the best chance of finding one. If you don't have a franchise quarterback, you don't pass one up in the draft.

Can a QB get improve after playing 8 games?

Anyone. Any single person is welcome to say yes or no.

|Zach| 02-10-2009 06:11 PM

Lets not forget that Chiefs defense....

Deberg_1990 02-10-2009 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477326)
Can a QB get improve after playing 8 games?

Anyone. Any single person is welcome to say yes or no.

maybe

DeezNutz 02-10-2009 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 5477312)
I'll play Huckelberry.

Tough. Name the last ime the chiefs had healthy starter for eight games, let
alone a season. willing to block, willing to go for the qb draw on the goal. Strong arm, quick release.

Mobile. faster than he looks..runs for first downs, scrambles, throws well on the run.

Accurate. Bowe dropped alot of balls, yet still he and Tony had good seasons. this is the key area..as noted by zach, no OTA's, no TC..to deny this time with Wr's isn't vital is insane.

Adversity. this is huge for me...TG said he doesn't get down after a bad play...he ran the two minute drill pretty decent..the Jet's gaem comes to mind...

Smart. coming off the bench at number three and even scoring is positve. makes good decisions, needs work on reads etc...practice makes perfect

Cheifs...came into a cluster**** rebuild under Herm Edwards. Nuff said.

What I don't get is almost everyone on this board knew and expected to be pretty bad this last year, and then use the very thing they thought would happen and then flip it with high standards and then complain why someone isn't producing at a high level in his first gig on the fly.

I give you credit for carrying the water on this one.

However, you're pushing believability to claim that Thigpen is accurate and has a strong arm. His signature plays all year were to misfire badly on 15 yard passes and to under throw Bradley on sure touchdowns.

He's scrappy, no doubt, but he's a QB who lacks the fundamental skill set to build around. And this is the key point. It has nothing to do with impatient fans.

SAUTO 02-10-2009 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5477315)
That's untrue. Huard had a career game against the Broncos while under center.
Again, Thigpen may improve someday and have the ability to play under center.

But would you be willing to stake your reputation (and your franchise) on Tyler Thigpen if you were Haley, Pioli or Hunt?

I don't think so.

really 21-28 160 yards 1td= career game come on dane


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