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Direckshun 02-16-2010 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6535419)
I'd have more respect for this post if it

A) acknowledged that you gave the Chiefs a C- for their 2008 draft

B) acknowledged that the "perpetual pessimists" were up in arms with joy over the 2008 draft.

I gave a C- for their first day. I was happy about the Chiefs' second day. But forget it.

Being an optimist doesn't always mean you're happy with what the team does. Being a pessimist doesn't always mean you're unhappy with what the team does.

Unlike you guys, I understand I literally have nothing to gain from being right, and nothing to gain from being wrong. I've been dead wrong on this Draft so far, but I do what you do. I put in my time reading and watching, I wager my best guesses, I try to stay consistent and organic with my preferences, and then hope the Chiefs are right.

I do it more openly than most (one year I had a running total of the top five players available throughout the entire mock), so I'm a lightning rod for the laziest kind of criticism. To mock me for that is ridiculous.

Direckshun 02-16-2010 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6535431)
All you have is hope.

Damn ****ing straight.

If that's wrong, then as the expression goes, I don't want to be right.

Direckshun 02-16-2010 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6535448)
The bottom line is that when the organization makes a move that people think is good, the so-called "haters" give them praise.

Just because 90+% of the moves are bad doesn't make them haters, it makes them aware of the fact that the moves are bad.

I fail to see why I should give some no-neck **** like Pioli, who's making millions of dollars a year, a ****ing participation ribbon because he makes a move. If it sucks, it sucks, and should be characterized as such.

I'm not giving anybody Special Olympics ribbons. For a guy who's claiming to be mischaracterized, you'd doing a truckload of it yourself.

Direckshun 02-16-2010 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6535480)
A) is sort of odd to me.

The dude gives the 2008 draft a C- when everyone was RAVING about how excellent we made out, and then when everyone talks about how terrible our 2009 draft was he comes out with some good grades...

Sounds like a case of attention whoring to me. I don't like it when people don't call them how they see it...I may be wrong at times but at least I call them how I see them.

Talk to the guys I debated with ALL OFFSEASON about how consistent that first day Draft grade was. Mecca, OTW, milkman -- we had tons of debates over it.

I really liked the Dorsey pick, but I would have preferred Sedrick Ellis. Which I said.

I really hated the Albert pick, because converting a guard to tackle, especially trading up for it, was such a risky proposition I wanted no part of it in a rebuilding year. Milkman and I went 100 rounds on it.

I was incredibly hesitant about the Flowers selection because of what I thought were character concerns. And I said so, Mecca criticized me for it.

My takes typically have always run counter to what a lot of people's, but I've worked for and earned a reputation for being as straightforward with my preferences as anybody here.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-16-2010 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 6535675)
I'm not giving anybody Special Olympics ribbons. For a guy who's claiming to be mischaracterized, you'd doing a truckload of it yourself.

1) I don't claim to be mischaracterized
2) You can't bitch about people being pessimists who always gripe about stuff when on the occasions that the franchise does things they agree with, they praise it for it.
3) You can't categorize yourself as an optimist in a feeble and transparent attempt to martyr yourself and expect people to take you seriously.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-16-2010 01:50 AM

FWIW, the height of irony is Dshun claiming that he's being mischaracterized when he's making the completely idiotic claim that people would rather the Chiefs do poorly and they be right then vice versa.

It's a piss poor derivative of the "you aren't working for X" claim. If you want WPI, where every move is celebrated, then ****ing go there. I was under the impression that the purpose of this forum was to state your opinion and back up those claims with evidence, and it hasn't exactly taken a spelunking expedition to find reasons for concern about this regime.

Mecca 02-16-2010 01:54 AM

I spent an hour during the 2008 draft defending the selection of Jamaal Charles...yet I'm supposedly the most pessimistic "bad fan" around here.

There's a lot more foundation on this team from that lone draft than there is from any move Pioli has made so far, seems pretty easy to see why Pioli is heavily scrutinized for these moves he makes.

Unless of course you just want to praise everything and not look at anything with any kind of critical thinking.

Mecca 02-16-2010 01:54 AM

I spent an hour during the 2008 draft defending the selection of Jamaal Charles...yet I'm supposedly the most pessimistic "bad fan" around here.

There's a lot more foundation on this team from that lone draft than there is from any move Pioli has made so far, seems pretty easy to see why Pioli is heavily scrutinized for these moves he makes.

Unless of course you just want to praise everything and not look at anything with any kind of critical thinking.

Mr. Flopnuts 02-16-2010 01:58 AM

I can't wait until this year's draft rolls around and people start up the Pioli is executive of the decade call again.

After the abortion he had last year, no one should give him a pass on any pick this year. He better improve, or we're ****ed.

Mecca 02-16-2010 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6535697)
I can't wait until this year's draft rolls around and people start up the Pioli is executive of the decade call again.

After the abortion he had last year, no one should give him a pass on any pick this year. He better improve, or we're ****ed.

It's going to be just like it was last year....this mofo is going to get the longest grace period ever.


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