I honestly didn't count the number of holding calls against us, Mr. philfree. I think it was 4 of the 10, but I'm pretty sure one of those was on a wideout (Bradley, I think). They say that the officials could call holding on almost any play if they wanted to. We seem to get caught a lot, though.

Besides, it's true that some coaches would rather see a holding call than a dead quarterback. But guys hold when they're beaten. And, guys are beaten when they lack proper technique or are merely physically overmatched. You're right that you can't coach up the latter problem.

But, Haley freely acknowledged that the penalties were a coaching issue and when asked about it said, "that's on me". It seems as though we've had a variety of penalties in the last two weeks that weren't holding, though; Roughing the Passer, PIs, Delay of Game, Facemasks, Offsides, False Starts, etc. Although a couple were arguably bad calls, those kinds of penalties are typically related to an overabundance of either adrenalin or stupidness of the brain or both.

Haley says we're going to be a "smart team". We'll see if he can deliver.

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Absolutely! What do people think Haley meant when he told Waters he can win 2 games with 22 players off the street?

The offensive line received a big message yesterday, they will run the ball and if you can't make the blocks you will not be long for this team. The expectation has been set in stone and now we will see who steps up to the challenge. No more fancy trick offense they are going to run a NFL offense and in time they will find the players to run it.

I am more convinced now then ever that Pioli and Haley are the right combination for this team.

He needs to have the same standard for the guys making stupid penalties that he does for DJ, Bowe, etc. Big Irish should start at RT for starters.

You send messages in camp and in preseason. On Sundays you try to win the game, especially when you are going against the backup QB and HB.

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I don't think Haley is the metaphoric type, sooooo....I think he meant that good coaching could improve any groupl of NFL players, and now he's beginning to learn otherwise.

"No more fancy trick offense"? Did we just come off the Herm era? If you're alluding to the pistol, neither of those two adjectives are applicable, IMO.

did the chiefs run any screens yesterday?

I believe they attempted a TE screen at one point, seriously.

It is amazing that the lengths some of you will go to in order to avoid criticizing anyone in this regime.

Look, it's this ****ing simple: Todd Haley can and will make mistakes. So will Scott Pioli. If you don't acknowledge this fact, you come off as a ****ing flat earther.

That second half was abysmal. You don't ****ing quit in a game. Period. If you don't want your investment to die, then yank his ass, but you don't ****ing quit on the guys who busted their ass all through OTAs, minicamps, and training camp. That's ****ing bullshit. End of story.

They ran a couple of WR screens too. Of course one of them resulted in a 10-yard loss because our WR's are too dumb to realize you don't start your block before the ball is thrown.

Yeah, and yesterday it was the ****ing refs who kept screwing us.

Keep changing the narrative to fit your ends.

We're good with obtuse messages at this point: we're sending a message...it's a process...the right 53...

Did any of your relatives die at Jonestown?

I never once said the refs were ****ing us. I just said they were not making blatant holding calls on Philly. Not once did I say it was effecting the outcome. The most I said was it didn't help.

I'm pretty confident that anyone who is reasonable and has at least SOME knowledge of the game would freely admit that both the coach and front office (even this one) has and will make mistakes. However, "the sky is falling" folk make it a little hard not to swing the pendulum the other way.

I mean...it's just STOOPID to start making wide-sweeping statements regarding a coach and a front office that has had one off season, one pre-season and 3 regular season games. You can argue fine points, but not the big picture.

You want to continue to lose and delay the inevitable and have happy players and a happy Whitlock...you should have kept Herm and fired Peterson.

You want to win now in a mediocre division as another thread suggested? You should have hired Marty again and he would have won this division somehow...and you would lose in the playoffs every chance you got.

You want to build a long-term winning organization that will begin laying the foundations that will pay off in years 3 and 4. You do what we've done in hiring from a good coaching/personnel tree and hope they have some of the same talents for coaching and evaluation as their predecessors. They might not...but at least under this option, you've tried to win a championship.

I still recall Jimmy Johnson taking over in Dallas and what a piece of crap the cowboys were under his "style" of coaching. It eventually sunk in...and they did pretty well.

None of you will remember or care about this season if Haley brings the Chiefs a Superbowl.

When the team has a ton of penalties over the preseason and the two of the first three games.... it is coaching.

When the coaches and GM preach about the 'right' 53..., they better freaking play smart football.

The play at the end of the half was equally on Haley. Sorry, but the QB should be told right before that play, that no matter what, you don't thorw it in bounds.

But, the bigger issue was not having timeouts because he couldn't get the play in quick enough... mainly because he fired his OC in the last week of preseason.

I really like the 'accountability' aspect of Haley, but there is also very much that I am growing not to like.