Don't forget he was good friends with the Bush's. Politics aside look at how George W. Bush ran the Texas Rangers.

Seymour isn't on that team right now so how does he count?

Now you're nitpicking. Most of the good Pats players were drafted and to fill holes Belichick/Pioli targeted talent from other teams and made moves for said talent.

Also the Pats shitting the bed in the draft is why they still have a shitty RB and why their defense has faded, all of the young guys they drafted to come in and play suck ass aside from Mayo, who should be good any LB that went where he did should be that player.

Most of their good players were drafted..

2 of their 3 best offensive players were not drafted by them...

They're awful at drafting rush backers even in their bowl winning years, Vrabel, Colvin, Thomas etc etc none of those guys were drafted by the Pats they're all FA moves.

I'm not saying the Patriots are the best at drafting especially the last few drafts but then again I seem to remember you saying Dmitroff was in charge of drafting and Pioli was the guy that worked with Belichick signing free agents and trading for players.

Colvin & Thomas weren't worth the money but still the defense was pretty good and they made a few super bowls.

Well after this last draft I'm certainly not going to hold my breath because that was an epic disaster.

But they also weren't the huge picks of the FA season. What makes NE so great is all of their picks (minus Moss, and maybe Corey Dillon) fly under the radar for the most part. They keep getting quality players to make a solid team.

They draft what they can, and fill in the rest, but without spending an obscene amount of money on a few players.

The point is the Pats are a team that has spent a lot of FA money to build that team, we're not looking at the Colts or Ravens here or even the Eagles who are a mostly drafted team with some FA's sprinkled in.

I agree with you the last draft sucked but also I would give it a few years before saying it for sure.

Adalius Thomas has a gigantic contract...he was the #1 available LB his FA year so really lets not play that card.

Dude when the Patriots were good in the early 2000's the did the same thing Pioli is trying to do now. Build through the draft and acquire talent to fill holes. They signed alot of guys for small contracts, it wasn't until the mid-2000's if I remember correctly when they started signing guys to big contracts.

Let me get this straight?

You would be backing it if Pioli went full reerun in signing Haynesworth to that full reerun deal? How about Jason Brown to his reeruned deal? You think we had a chance at Canty or Igor? If you said yes, you know less about football than I thought and I have to reaccess my opinion of you.

This definitely changed my opinion of you.

It is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read about any topic; football or non football related, in my entire 31 year old life. Congratulations!

Why exactly do you claim to like this team, again?

All I see is a guy that hates everything to do with his, supposed, loved team!

Im not sure I have read anything from any of your posts in all the time I have been here that would indicate that you even like this team.

I hate to say it and with all due respect, you seem to have the attitude of a quitter. You seem to have no feelings of hope that we can get better and that we will be stuck eternally in the cellar. If so, why claim to like the team, just go ahead and sell me all your Chiefs stuff and you can go and buy your Sanchez jersey like everyone knows you want to.

If you dont like the Weis hire, hate is blinding your objectivity.

so, that is because he didnt want to win?

JFC

I forgot, his teams were always well below the salary cap and he just pocketed cash year in and year out without doing everything from his point of view to put good people in position to do a job for him and then somewhat let them do their job. If he medled in the affairs that are the GMs job, he would get criticized for it but because he tries to put the best man for the job in the position and let him work, he is the bad guy?

:shake:

Good thing they did because they lacked talent because they drafted like crap....

The Patriots have a lot more in common with the Cowboys than they do the Eagles or Colts or Ravens.

The Cowboys have some nice draft picks but were largely built in FA, actually the Cowboys might have more draft picks playing for them than the Pats do. That's where we have to think about the perception of how teams were built since I assume most would not classify the Cowboys and Pats near each other in how they build teams.