Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534818)

It's not that difficult to judge...maybe Cassel thought he was a fan and told him to shut the **** up.

Or maybe he talks to Weis like he talks to the media "What are you talking about Charlie I don't make mental errors"

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534801)

I would be willing to bet that if somehow both QB's aren't gone by 5 the Chiefs attempt to move down, everyone will think the Chiefs are going to take the QB and we'll just be dropping out, Pioli is not going to take a QB top 5 basically admitting his pick of Cassel was an epic ****up.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6534464)

This comes from someone who has been an incredibly reliable source on this site in the past. Take it for what's it's worth.

If Claussen falls to around the 20-25th pick the Chiefs may package their 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take Claussen. Weiss is telling all teams that contact him about Claussen that he is the real deal. Claussen will play in the NFL for 10-15 years.

Weiss is not sold on Cassell. He feels that he may not have the mental tools to be a successful QB without better players around him. He feels that he has the physical tools, but lacks the mental discipline thats needed to play the position. Both Haley and Pioli think Cassell will work out fine.

So what is gonna happen? Weiss wants a quality backup in place behind Cassell to push him. Croyle is not that backup. Everyone at Arrrowhead knows Croyle is not a long term solution so he can't really push Cassell to excel.

Enter Brady Quinn. The Chiefs had talks with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago about a trade to KC. But, the Browns trade demands were really stupidly high so the talks went no where seriously. If the demands come down, Quinn will be a Chief.


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Now the rest of this info is from other sources so get out that shaker of salt to take wth this information. Compiled from 4 different sources.

Supposely Buffalo talked to the Chiefs about a trade for Croyle.

Cleveland wanted the 2nd round pick plus a 5th rounder for Quinn.

KC was willing to part with a 4th-5th rounder for Quinn. Which one would depend on playing time,

Weiss and Cassell talk almost every day on the phone and in person. Long talks.

Nothing new with the Bowe wants a new contract before the OTA's situation. But, the Chiefs have put out trade feelers to gauge interest in Bowe but most were 4th-5th rounders.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534801)

I would be willing to bet that if somehow both QB's aren't gone by 5 the Chiefs attempt to move down, everyone will think the Chiefs are going to take the QB and we'll just be dropping out, Pioli is not going to take a QB top 5 basically admitting his pick of Cassel was an epic ****up.

Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6534813)

It would make a lot more sense if Weiss said that Cassel didn't have the physical tools. How can Weiss possibly judge Cassel in that regard already?

Cassel battled a ton of issues outside his control, and stayed pretty positive for the most part.

Cassel's mental toughness is the very least of my concerns.

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 6534833)

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Unfortunately this makes sense. Unless Weiss can convince Pioli we need a legit backup because Croyle sucks and is a walking bandaid. But even then Pioli would not use the #5 on him.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6534838)

Why does it make sense? Wasn't his reputation in New England, according to many on the board, that he was a gopher for Bill Bellichick? Why do people think he's so arrogant that he won't listen to his coaches, especially the experienced ones? That's how he made his mark in New England.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534843)

I have a really really hard time believing they'd make that move, I don't even think Clark Hunt would ok it, so you want me to spend 100+ mill on QB's in 2 years?

No way Scott not happening Cassel is suppose to be the guy that's what you said.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6534826)

Weis has two seasons of games on which to base his judgement.

Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6534847)

Two full seasons!? Wow! You sold me. After his season in NE where it was obviously just Moss, or Welker, or McDaniels or Belichick. And his 2nd season was so bad, I mean why a 2nd year starter can't get the job done in a new offense, with a first year coach, with new WRs every week, and the O Line more fluid than water...is beyond me. The knee injury he suffered really had no barring on his play either, or the 13 days he had to learn a new offense before the season started.

We should just cut him...
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6534845)

It amuses me to hear what you think goes on in high level business meetings.

Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6534847)

Two full seasons!? Wow! You sold me. After his season in NE where it was obviously just Moss, or Welker, or McDaniels or Belichick. And his 2nd season was so bad, I mean why a 2nd year starter can't get the job done in a new offense, with a first year coach, with new WRs every week, and the O Line more fluid than water...is beyond me. The knee injury he suffered really had no barring on his play either, or the 13 days he had to learn a new offense before the season started.

We should just cut him...
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534843)

I have a really really hard time believing they'd make that move, I don't even think Clark Hunt would ok it, so you want me to spend 100+ mill on QB's in 2 years?

No way Scott not happening Cassel is suppose to be the guy that's what you said.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6534850)

We aren't the Redskins here, I don't think Clark Hunt would be ok with the idea of being sold on 2 QB's being the franchise in 2 years and giving them both a lot of money.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6534855)

Noted.