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LaChapelle 04-25-2010 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 6712779)
WTF?!! LMAO
Do we get Lewis and Sheffield them the first half the year or does the Fins :shrug:

milkman 04-25-2010 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6712806)
Interesting.

Full-time players in the Weiss offense:

O-line
QB
WR1
WR3
TE1

The team has a WR1 and WR2, drafted a TE, added multiple pieces to its O-line during the offseason and draft, and seems to have a different take on the QB position than the complainers here. You don't like Clausen, so it should be safe to say that not taking a QB was not a problem, right?

That means the team did what you wanted on offense. If he pans out, McCluster probably will be used in some hybrid of the Welker/Branch days in New England

As for defense, it's going to depend on Crennel's approach. Just as a reference, NE has been taking the NT off the field on passing downs, plays a lot of nickel and dime, and pulls run stuffer type ILBs off the field on passing plays.

If Crennel is going to look in that direction, the draft would seem to have set up for that, although I certainly understand the concerns about NT and OLB. It may just have been a matter of filling some holes knowing others are still huge problems.

New England's been dealing with the OLB problem for a couple of years now, for example. The draft hasn't been a solution so far due to injury (they don't even know if the guys can play because neither OLB drafted in the past two years has gotten an injury-free season to develop), and I'm sure the Patriots would be happy to send you Adalius Thomas. ;)
Yeah, I have no problem wahtsoever with passing on Clausen.

But, in a way, I guess I'm still old school and still love my defense and wanted to see that fixed, and other Berry, I don't see it.

We've had such a crappy defense for so long, it makes me cranky.

Mosbonian 04-25-2010 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6712785)
Fair enough. A lot of this is extremely dependent on these guys being very good at what they do. Arenas has to be very good at nickel and outstanding as a returner to match the value of, say, missing out on Cody. And McCluster needs to be an electric playmaker, regardless of his snaps, to justify passing on someone like Kindle. That's something I get and I was horribly wrong on Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel, so I recognize that there is a far greater expectation for these guys.

So I'm with you on the "wait and see" part. I like the picks only if they live up to certain standards.
But Cody and Kindle come with just as much baggage as what you infer in McCluster and Arenas, with less upside. Cody is questioned because of his work ethic and weight issues, and Kindle's injury makes his susceptible to further deterioration because it was a leg injury.

mmaddog
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Mosbonian 04-25-2010 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6712822)
.....it makes me cranky.
This part we are all used to.... :p

mmaddog
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milkman 04-25-2010 12:26 PM
Oh, and I just don't think that Crennel is the miracle worker that some seem to think he is.

chiefzilla1501 04-25-2010 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mmaddog (Post 6712823)
But Cody and Kindle come with just as much baggage as what you infer in McCluster and Arenas, with less upside. Cody is questioned because of his work ethic and weight issues, and Kindle's injury makes his susceptible to further deterioration because it was a leg injury.

mmaddog
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Trust me. Been harping on this all day. But milkman has a point that when you're talking about a nickel back/returner or a RB/slot WR passing up on a 3-4 OLB/NT, the bar needs to be a little higher. If they're both adequate at best at what they do, it was a very wrong pick. They need to be very, very good at their positions, because they carry much lower positional value. Same applies in spades for Berry.

chiefzilla1501 04-25-2010 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6712830)
Oh, and I just don't think that Crennel is the miracle worker that some seem to think he is.
I think he runs a bit of a dated defense. All the more reason to hitch the wagon on Weis instead.

I think Romeo, with time, can build this defense into a competitive one. But I don't think it will be anywhere near as dominant as it was during the Pats' dynasty.

One thing I do know is that I think he'll get a lot more mileage out of young D-linemen. He's a terrific D-line coach, at the very least.

Coogs 04-25-2010 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6712822)
Yeah, I have no problem wahtsoever with passing on Clausen.

But, in a way, I guess I'm still old school and still love my defense and wanted to see that fixed, and other Berry, I don't see it.

We've had such a crappy defense for so long, it makes me cranky.
I understand. However, the secondary really needed an overhaul, just a bad as the front 7. If we have a secondary now of that is the caliber of some of our all time great secondarys then this is a great starting point. Lets see what these young guys we brought in the last couple of seasons develop into up front. maybe we have more there than we know. Maybe Jackson, Mcgee, Dorsey, Studabaker and the likes really start to blossem into the players they drafted/picked them up to be this year.

Just Passin' By 04-25-2010 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6712822)
Yeah, I have no problem wahtsoever with passing on Clausen.

But, in a way, I guess I'm still old school and still love my defense and wanted to see that fixed, and other Berry, I don't see it.

We've had such a crappy defense for so long, it makes me cranky.
I see your points on all of this. A bad defense puts a lot of pressure on even a great offense. The Chiefs are in dire need of LBs and an NT. I thought they'd target an NT in round 2, myself. I, personally, would give them a pass because the team has so many holes to fill from years of decay, but I can certainly understand where a "defense!" guy would be getting impatient.

The only thing I can tell you is that I think there might well be some pretty good players getting the axe this offseason, as teams take advantage of the uncapped year to bring payroll down. Lord knows that I'm hoping someone springs loose that can play DE for New England. The dynamic duo of Damione Lewis and Gerard Warren just doesn't inspire confidence in me.

The Bad Guy 04-25-2010 12:37 PM
Anyone who calls Tebow the steal of the draft doesn't deserve to watch the NFL. How can you be a steal when you get drafted about a round and a half before you are supposed to go?

You can't teach someone accuracy.

Does Knowshit offer anything on this board? He's KCJohnny without the obnoxious religious and military messages. I've finally put his loser ass on ignore.

tk13 04-25-2010 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6712830)
Oh, and I just don't think that Crennel is the miracle worker that some seem to think he is.
I don't either. But I hope he's better than Pendergast... and miles better than Krumrie. But we'll see.

Coogs 04-25-2010 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6712907)
To be fair, you only love the Chiefs' draft because you're a member of the Oakland Raiders now.
Huh?

Reaper16 04-25-2010 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6712909)
Huh?
****. In my sleep-deprived haze I thought that Groves posted that. I'm deleting my post out of shame.

DaneMcCloud 04-25-2010 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6712907)
To be fair, you only love the Chiefs' draft because you're a member of the Oakland Raiders now.
This is ridiculous.

SI and Rick Gosselin think the Chiefs drafts were A+ (Better than Seattle) but I read from a few snarky know-it-alls that because they passed on a ****ing fatass, lazy NT or didn't draft an ILB or broke OLB in the second, Pioli's a moron and the Chiefs are doomed to suck.

Meanwhile, if they HAD taken any of those guys, they all come with significant risks. There is no more risk than usual in an NFL draft by taking a playmaker in McCluster who can virtually play at any skill position on offense or the most dynamic returner (and a damn good CB).

The level of faux outrage displayed by some is completely ****ing laughable AND predictable.

Baby Lee 04-25-2010 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6712760)
If McCluster turns into a playmaker that sees the field more than 50% of the snaps, I'll say something.

I'll admit that I was wrong about the value he brings.

The same for Arenas.

On the positive side of things, I absolutely love the selection of Berry and Asamoah.
What with the biggest problem with the D, aside from not showing up at all on occasion, like when Dorsey is out for a game, being;

1st & 10
2nd & 9
3rd and 8 1/2

BOOM! 20 yard play.

I'd think as nickel/dime corner would merit a different calculus.

Like, if he's on the field a significant amount of 3rd downs and well really improve on 3 and out.


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