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Frazod 10-19-2010 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7100848)
The fact that we weren't able to rush for two yards in short yardage situations for most of the game had a big influence in Weis' playcall in that situation.

Think about it.

How many times did the Chiefs attempt to convert on fourth down because they weren't able to convert on third down?

You mean earlier in the game, before their defense was gassed and had been torched for 200 rushing yards?

You think about it.

:shake:

Coach 10-19-2010 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7100848)
The fact that we weren't able to rush for two yards in short yardage situations for most of the game had a big influence in Weis' playcall in that situation.

Think about it.

How many times did the Chiefs attempt to convert on fourth down because they weren't able to convert on third down?

And I understand that the Chiefs had trouble converting 3rd and short before the last drive. I would had still preferred a bootleg or a quick slant, instead of having Cassel going on one side of the field, and throwing across his body to the other side of the field.

milkman 10-19-2010 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7101027)
You mean earlier in the game, before their defense was gassed and had been torched for 200 rushing yards?

You think about it.

:shake:

If the Chiefs had continued to control the clock in the second half as they had in the first half, that point might have merit.

But time of possession was almost equal for the second half, and I believe the Texans actually owend the clock in the fourth quarter, so that defense was far from gassed.

Chiefnj2 10-19-2010 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 7101056)
And I understand that the Chiefs had trouble converting 3rd and short before the last drive. I would had still preferred a bootleg or a quick slant, instead of having Cassel going on one side of the field, and throwing across his body to the other side of the field.

The play was well defensed.

milkman 10-19-2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 7101056)
And I understand that the Chiefs had trouble converting 3rd and short before the last drive. I would had still preferred a bootleg or a quick slant, instead of having Cassel going on one side of the field, and throwing across his body to the other side of the field.

That particular pass call might have been a better play call, but the fact still remains, had Cassel not bailed on that throw to avoid the hit, and stepped into that throw and delivered a strike, then this would not even be a debate.

The Bad Guy 10-19-2010 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7100867)
There were two OPIs in the Jets-Donkey game that were less obvious pushoffs than Andre Johnson's.

And one last night in the Jaguars game on Underwood that wasn't even close to what Johnson did but it was called.

Chiefnj2 10-19-2010 10:12 AM

People are unhappy about the league being strict about hard hits, but get their panties in a bunch when it comes to a WR and CB jostling for a ball.

Frazod 10-19-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7101132)
If the Chiefs had continued to control the clock in the second half as they had in the first half, that point might have merit.

But time of possession was almost equal for the second half, and I believe the Texans actually owend the clock in the fourth quarter, so that defense was far from gassed.

Yeah, defenses raped for 200 rushing yards are always fresh and perky at the end of the 4th quarter. Silly me, what was I thinking?

TheGuardian 10-19-2010 10:32 AM

The thing about the pass play that hurt more than anything to me was that it stopped the clock. With a run play, even if we don't get it, we run more clock or at least make them use another time out. That was critical.

I didn't think the play call was bad, but Albert got his ass whipped on that play, which killed it, but I do think that the smarter play call probably was a run if not for anything but more clock killing or taking away another timeout from Houston. I also think you have to think about going for it on 4th down there. Why? Because the defense had given up points on every drive at that point for the previous 3 drives. The situation called for the offense to go ahead and win the game. and with 200 yards of rushing offense I think you gamble with that.

Of course had we done that, and not made it people are bitching then too. But in that game situation I think you go ahead and run the ball on 3rd and 4th down. JMO.

OnTheWarpath15 10-19-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7101225)
The thing about the pass play that hurt more than anything to me was that it stopped the clock. With a run play, even if we don't get it, we run more clock or at least make them use another time out. That was critical.

I didn't think the play call was bad, but Albert got his ass whipped on that play, which killed it, but I do think that the smarter play call probably was a run if not for anything but more clock killing or taking away another timeout from Houston. I also think you have to think about going for it on 4th down there. Why? Because the defense had given up points on every drive at that point for the previous 3 drives. The situation called for the offense to go ahead and win the game. and with 200 yards of rushing offense I think you gamble with that.

Of course had we done that, and not made it people are bitching then too. But in that game situation I think you go ahead and run the ball on 3rd and 4th down. JMO.

I almost brought up the possibility of going for it on 4th down as well.

I agree, the situation calls for the offense to grind the clock and win the game.

I wouldn't have had a problem with it, had they ran the ball both times, forcing Houston to use at least one TO in the event they failed on 4th.

If you can't get 2 yards in 2 plays, you don't deserve to win anyway.

milkman 10-19-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 7101158)
Yeah, defenses raped for 200 rushing yards are always fresh and perky at the end of the 4th quarter. Silly me, what was I thinking?

The Texans defense gave up a lot of yards on teh ground, but they cosistently stepped up and made plays against the run in short yardage situations.

The Chiefs O-Line, while improved, is not a drive blocking unit that is built for those situations, and defenses that are pounded up the middle by a drive blocking power running game are going to be worn ut up front by that kind of ground game.

The Texans defense wasn't worn down and beat up by that kind of ground game.

The Chiefs O-Line is more finesse than power.

Combine that with the fact that the Texans defense had plenty of time on the bench in the second half, and more specifically in the fourth quarter, and you have a defense that is not gassed.

milkman 10-19-2010 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7101225)
The thing about the pass play that hurt more than anything to me was that it stopped the clock. With a run play, even if we don't get it, we run more clock or at least make them use another time out. That was critical.

I didn't think the play call was bad, but Albert got his ass whipped on that play, which killed it, but I do think that the smarter play call probably was a run if not for anything but more clock killing or taking away another timeout from Houston. I also think you have to think about going for it on 4th down there. Why? Because the defense had given up points on every drive at that point for the previous 3 drives. The situation called for the offense to go ahead and win the game. and with 200 yards of rushing offense I think you gamble with that.

Of course had we done that, and not made it people are bitching then too. But in that game situation I think you go ahead and run the ball on 3rd and 4th down. JMO.

Now this is a post I can agree with.

As a matter of fact, I think I will agree.

Frazod 10-19-2010 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7101252)
The Texans defense gave up a lot of yards on teh ground, but they cosistently stepped up and made plays against the run in short yardage situations.

The Chiefs O-Line, while improved, is not a drive blocking unit that is built for those situations, and defenses that are pounded up the middle by a drive blocking power running game are going to be worn ut up front by that kind of ground game.

The Texans defense wasn't worn down and beat up by that kind of ground game.

The Chiefs O-Line is more finesse than power.

Combine that with the fact that the Texans defense had plenty of time on the bench in the second half, and more specifically in the fourth quarter, and you have a defense that is not gassed.

I'm glad you see it that way. Clearly Weis saw it that way.

And I see a lot of winnable games going in the toilet.

Chiefnj2 10-19-2010 10:59 AM

I think you need to make the decision to go for it on 3rd and 4th down. 3rd down is a handoff to help kill the clock. Nothing backwards, no toss, no outside - don't risk losing yards. Move North/South and hope for the best. 4th down spread the field and look for a quick slant.

Baby Lee 11-05-2010 03:51 AM

**** Peter in the ****ING ASS!!!


Just watched the 'roundtable' following the '100 greatest of all time,' and when they get to the part about who'll be on the list 30 years from now, when Andre Johnson is brought up they IMMEDIATELY flash to the catch against Flowers clipped AN INSTANT after he pushed off.

REALLY, you're trying to make the case to one day place a contemporary star in the pantheon of GOAT, and your GO TO image is one you had to edit to remove the cheating, and one of the guys on your panel called 'Worst interference call of the year' a couple of weeks ago, and now sits like a mute pussy.

Oh, and the next image was the closing TD, so I guess that was just an 'eff you KC' segment more than a 'Andre Johnson rising star' segment.


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