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ChiefsCountry 12-14-2011 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JCharles1981 (Post 8202104)
True that. Maybe Lamar Hunt should have fired Carl the same year Schottenheimer was fired. But, wait, Lamar actually liked Carl Peterson, so that is why it didn't happen.

Marty was never fired from the Chiefs.

Titty Meat 12-14-2011 02:32 AM

All Pioli will have to do is draft a QB in the first round and nobody will give a **** about Todd Haley. I'm sure signing Becht, Palko, and whatever broke dick Haley coached was all 100% Pioli. Dumbass cut Jarred Gaither too. I thought both should be fired but to be fair it wasn't Pioli dressing like a homeless bum cursing up a storm infront of a national audience. Clark was at the game Sunday and that team had lost control firing Haley was absolutely the correct call.

JCharles1981 12-14-2011 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8202107)
Marty was never fired from the Chiefs.

I almost have an itching feeling he would have been had he not freely resigned instead.

BossChief 12-14-2011 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8202086)
The last six names aren't an excuse, because the blowouts happened every year he was here.

If Cassel is truly the reason for all these blowouts, and he is retained, then we'll see it again next season.

I don't really buy it. We would come out in some of these games and just get slaughtered from the get-go on both sides of the ball.

You go to all these lengths to hate on Haley, but want him replaced by Jeff Fisher?

Really?

Back to my reply...

There are only 3 or 4 instances of that and they happen to every coach that doesn't have a good quarterback.

Most of the games got away from us in the second half after being very competitive in the first half.

Give this team Charles and Berry and 3 of the blowouts this year probably dont happen.

Give this team a real quarterback and none of them happen.

BigMeatballDave 12-14-2011 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8202093)
You probably thought the confederates would have done a great job with the country too.

Yes. Thanksgiving would consist of chitterlings and grits...

Hammock Parties 12-14-2011 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8202111)

Give this team Charles and Berry and 3 of the blowouts this year probably dont happen.

Why?

WITH Charles and Berry, last year we were blown out by:

Denver
Oakland
Baltimore
San Diego

As for Fisher, it's pretty simple:

He wins.

I'm of the belief that there is no "perfect" or "elite" head coach.

There are good coaches who get paired up with elite quarterbacks and then they go and win Super Bowls.

If we had Fisher, and we drafted a guy who is going to multiple Pro Bowls, I believe we'd be a contender. Simple as that.

Get a good coach who takes you to the playoffs consistently, get a QB to win in the playoffs.

BossChief 12-14-2011 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8202108)
All Pioli will have to do is draft a QB in the first round and nobody will give a **** about Todd Haley. I'm sure signing Becht, Palko, and whatever broke dick Haley coached was all 100% Pioli. Dumbass cut Jarred Gaither too. I thought both should be fired but to be fair it wasn't Pioli dressing like a homeless bum cursing up a storm infront of a national audience. Clark was at the game Sunday and that team had lost control firing Haley was absolutely the correct call.

A good quarterback can make any head coach look really good.

I will always think Dungy was a mirror image of Herm..but with Peyton Manning its hard to see that.

If he is gonna give the job to Romeo or some other cronie, he better draft the right guy in the first round...or its gonna be his ass on the chopping block in 2 years and the next GM will be brought in.

Clark wants a franchise quarterback....he said as much before Pioli was brought in...

Time for Pioli to get the owner what he wants.

Just, please dont let that guy be Landry Blackledge.

WhiteWhale 12-14-2011 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8202107)
Marty was never fired from the Chiefs.

I'm still of the impression that Marty resigned in lieu of being fired.

You know, because Carl respected him and he respected Carl.

AJ Smith fired him and probably would have thrown himself a roman style triumph down the middle of San Diego if he could have. They hated each other.

Hammock Parties 12-14-2011 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8202116)
A good quarterback can make any head coach look really good.

Manning didn't do much for Caldwell last year.

JCharles1981 12-14-2011 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8202118)
Manning didn't do much for Caldwell last year.

At least the Colts were winning last year. It's like they cried tears in their beers and quit trying once they discovered that Manning would be out for the entire length of this season. So, they did have a valid excuse for sucking this year. The Chiefs were sucking long before Cassell got injured. I am a die-hard Chiefs fan, but you can't escape the obvious.

WhiteWhale 12-14-2011 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8202115)
Why?

WITH Charles and Berry, last year we were blown out by:

Denver
Oakland
Baltimore
San Diego

As for Fisher, it's pretty simple:

He wins.

I'm of the belief that there is no "perfect" or "elite" head coach.

There are good coaches who get paired up with elite quarterbacks and then they go and win Super Bowls.

If we had Fisher, and we drafted a guy who is going to multiple Pro Bowls, I believe we'd be a contender. Simple as that.

Get a good coach who takes you to the playoffs consistently, get a QB to win in the playoffs.

Fisher has finished 8-8 or worse ten times.

He's had 6 winning seasons.

There was nothing consistent about his teams. They go 12-4 one season, then 6-10 the next. We must really LOVE Denver because we apparently want a clone of their head coach.

BossChief 12-14-2011 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8202115)
Why?

WITH Charles and Berry, last year we were blown out by:

Denver
Oakland
Baltimore
San Diego

As for Fisher, it's pretty simple:

He wins.

I'm of the belief that there is no "perfect" or "elite" head coach.

There are good coaches who get paired up with elite quarterbacks and then they go and win Super Bowls.

If we had Fisher, and we drafted a guy who is going to multiple Pro Bowls, I believe we'd be a contender. Simple as that.

Get a good coach who takes you to the playoffs consistently, get a QB to win in the playoffs.

You guys can say what you want about Vince Young and the owner forcing him on Fisher....the truth is that team didnt win until they started Vince.

His rookie year, they were garbage and Vince came in about the halfway point and almost won every game and took the team to the playoffs.

Shortly after, Fisher benched him and it didnt take ong till the team was right back in the crapper...looking a top 5 pick in the face again till the owner told Fisher to play his draft pick...amazing that the team went on another winning run.

I dont know how high the level of hatred will go if we draft a top ten QB and the HC repeatedly finds reasons to bench him.

...

I dont care what some of you believe, but Josh McDaniels cheated to win that game. Dustin Colquit reinforced what I said with his own words.

Oakland won that game in the trenches...their DL DOMINATED our OL all game.

We were actually beating Baltimore right before the end of the first half till they remembered that Romeos defense fails to cover tight ends and Jamaal Charles got hurt.

JCharles1981 12-14-2011 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8202115)

I'm of the belief that there is no "perfect" or "elite" head coach.

There are good coaches who get paired up with elite quarterbacks and then they go and win Super Bowls.

If we had Fisher, and we drafted a guy who is going to multiple Pro Bowls, I believe we'd be a contender. Simple as that.

Get a good coach who takes you to the playoffs consistently, get a QB to win in the playoffs.

Jeff Fischer is no Jimmie Johnson or Don Schula, just so we're clear on that. What is the difference between Fischer, Johnson, and Schula? Johnson and Schula have won at least 3 Superbowls each, Fischer has won none.

BossChief 12-14-2011 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8202118)
Manning didn't do much for Caldwell last year.

how is he doing without him?

threebag 12-14-2011 02:52 AM

I guess none of the other threads contained any of this information.


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