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vailpass 12-20-2011 01:34 PM

Orton is definitely the answer for KC at QB. If the Chiefs can sign Orton they should do it, even if they have to win a bidding war with another team.

whoman69 12-20-2011 01:35 PM

I don't really think anyone truly believes Orton to be a long term answer. He's more of the Kreig, Bono, Grbac retread mode. I think you need a good backup like Orton on the team, but that's really all he is.

chiefscafan 12-20-2011 01:40 PM

We need both NT and ILB. I think a rookie ILB can make an impact quicker than a NT. Heck we might have him in powe.

Buckweath 12-20-2011 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222474)
The only thing I will say in Orton's defense:

He never had a running game AND a defense in Denver.

The Broncos were 18th in rushing and 7th in defense his first year.

His second year they were 26th in rushing and 32nd in defense.

In KC he will most likely have a top 10 running game and top 15 defense next season.

FAIL! We don`t want of a QB who needs a good running game and a good defense to perform. We want one of those QBs that can actually do a good job without a running game and a stout defense. That`s why we have to trade up to get that top QB prospect that might be one of those QBs.

RealSNR 12-20-2011 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8223268)
Orton is definitely the answer for KC at QB. If the Chiefs can sign Orton they should do it, even if they have to win a bidding war with another team.

You, sir, are good. You are very good.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 8223287)
We need both NT and ILB. I think a rookie ILB can make an impact quicker than a NT. Heck we might have him in powe.

If Powe is the answer at NT, then Belcher is the answer at ILB.

ILB is WAY down on the list of needs, sorry.

Chiefnj2 12-20-2011 01:55 PM

It's the player, not the position.

DBOSHO 12-20-2011 01:57 PM

I dont think Orton can be a top 5 quarterback, but with the weapons around him and this defense with Berry back, we can be a contender.

FlaChief58 12-20-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8222387)
There's a reason Broncos fans hated him.

Pressure mostly turns him into a puddle of goo.

This and he throws a shitload of picks and he has a hard time finishing drives. That said, I'm good with him as a stopgap until our QBOTF is ready to go.

bevischief 12-20-2011 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 8223352)
I dont think Orton can be a top 5 quarterback, but with the weapons around him and this defense with Berry back, we can be a contender.

More of a contender with Orton than with Cassel.

htismaqe 12-20-2011 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8223345)
It's the player, not the position.

He's not good enough to make it about "the player, not the position".

He's being projected right now between 1-25 and 1-30. We'll be picking much higher than that, even if we win out.

bricks 12-20-2011 02:13 PM

If the Chiefs win out, that puts them in a position to not draft a quarterback.

All those guys, Luck, Griffin III, and Barkley are going top 10.

The only guy that may be available is Tannehill.

I don't see the Chiefs trading up to try and get either Luck, Barkley, or Griffin III. It's just gonna involve too much compensation. Do they go with Tannehill if he falls to them? I don't know.

But one thing is for certain, and I may get bashed for saying this, they could use an offensive lineman. Wiegmann is old, Lilja could be replaced, Richardson needs to be shown the door because we all know he ain't even adequate enough.

Realistically, you have to think Oline. Its the reality and the nature of how things may be played out for this franchise. I think there will be some Olineman available when the Chiefs pick.

Sorry guys. Just being a realist here.

KC_Lee 12-20-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 8223411)
If the Chiefs win out, that puts them in a position to not draft a quarterback.

All those guys, Luck, Griffin III, and Barkley are going top 10.

The only guy that may be available is Tannehill.

I don't see the Chiefs trading up to try and get either Luck, Barkley, or Griffin III. It's just gonna involve too much compensation. Do they go with Tannehill if he falls to them? I don't know.

But one thing is for certain, and I may get bashed for saying this, they could use an offensive lineman. Wiegmann is old, Lilja could be replaced, Richardson needs to be shown the door because we all know he ain't even adequate enough.

Realistically, you have to think Oline. Its the reality and the nature of how things may be played out for this franchise. I think there will be some Olineman available when the Chiefs pick.

Sorry guys. Just being a realist here.

But we could pick up Landry Jones!!!

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php

DaWolf 12-20-2011 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bricks (Post 8223411)
If the Chiefs win out, that puts them in a position to not draft a quarterback.

All those guys, Luck, Griffin III, and Barkley are going top 10.

The only guy that may be available is Tannehill.

I don't see the Chiefs trading up to try and get either Luck, Barkley, or Griffin III. It's just gonna involve too much compensation. Do they go with Tannehill if he falls to them? I don't know.

But one thing is for certain, and I may get bashed for saying this, they could use an offensive lineman. Wiegmann is old, Lilja could be replaced, Richardson needs to be shown the door because we all know he ain't even adequate enough.

Realistically, you have to think Oline. Its the reality and the nature of how things may be played out for this franchise. I think there will be some Olineman available when the Chiefs pick.

Sorry guys. Just being a realist here.

We need to have one of those lucky years where a guy like Aaron Rodgers plummets down the board and into our laps...

vailpass 12-20-2011 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8223328)
You, sir, are good. You are very good.

And I'd have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids.


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