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Ebolapox 01-17-2012 09:25 PM

no way reynolds is a second rounder. he's lucky if he's a 3rd or 4th rounder. jmo.

Saccopoo 01-17-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1 (Post 8306837)
no way reynolds is a second rounder. he's lucky if he's a 3rd or 4th rounder. jmo.

People were saying the same thing about Zane Beadles two years ago. Fourth rounder, etc. He went in the second round and made the NFL All-Rookie team and was a major reason why Denver's ground game was so good this past season.

Like Beadles, he doesn't look the part of the long, lean NFL left tackle (thick base and middle), but he is a very good player with a ton of experience at the left tackle spot. BYU ran a ton behind him as well as him being blind side protector for four consectutive years. He's a smart guy and a team leader (two time team captain) as well as having played at a high level for a long time. (Three time first team all-conference (soph, jun, sen) and was first team freshman All-American.)

The guy gets after people, likes putting guys into the dirt and is capable of getting out into the second level quickly. He's pretty athletic for a guy his size, which I think translates well to the RT spot at the next level.

Like I said, I think high second round is a bit of a reach, but I don't think he makes it out of the second. After you get past Kalil, Martin and Reiff, Reynolds is as good (and I think better) than the rest and never let anyone get the best of him all year long where guys like Datko, Sanders, Adams, Adcock and Massie were supposedly inconsistent this past season.

I do like Alex Hurst from LSU and thought he looked good in the Tiger games I saw this past season.

Coogs 01-17-2012 10:02 PM

NFLDraftCountdown came out with their top 100 today. Reynolds is not on that list as of right now. This guy though is listed at #49, which is right in the area of our 2nd round pick...

49. Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa St.

Staying with the flow of your draft for this particular discussion, Konz in the 1st, and Osemele in the 2nd would have us looking like this...

LT Albert
LG Hudson
C Konz
RG Asamoah
RT Osemele

jd1020 01-17-2012 10:02 PM

From the East vs West Shrine game thread: "BYU offensive tackle Matt Reynolds (6-4, 310) was smaller than expected. He had a mixed practice and should probably move inside to guard. His body shape just falls short of tackles in terms of height and arm length. Mississippi defensive end Kentrell Lockett (6-5, 243) beat him in a one-on-one, as Reynolds lost his feet and fell to the ground. In the coming days, he needs to play better."

He's just getting better and better.............

Saccopoo 01-18-2012 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8306925)
From the East vs West Shrine game thread: "BYU offensive tackle Matt Reynolds (6-4, 310) was smaller than expected. He had a mixed practice and should probably move inside to guard. His body shape just falls short of tackles in terms of height and arm length. Mississippi defensive end Kentrell Lockett (6-5, 243) beat him in a one-on-one, as Reynolds lost his feet and fell to the ground. In the coming days, he needs to play better."

He's just getting better and better.............

See post #134.

We already addressed this.

Saccopoo 01-18-2012 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8306922)
NFLDraftCountdown came out with their top 100 today. Reynolds is not on that list as of right now. This guy though is listed at #49, which is right in the area of our 2nd round pick...

49. Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa St.

Staying with the flow of your draft for this particular discussion, Konz in the 1st, and Osemele in the 2nd would have us looking like this...

LT Albert
LG Hudson
C Konz
RG Asamoah
RT Osemele

I only watched one Iowa State game and didn't noticed Osemele in terms of standing out. I don't know much about him. Perhaps someone who viewed a lot of Cyclone games could chime in on him.

jd1020 01-18-2012 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8307403)
See post #134.

We already addressed this.

Didn't see it.

Even so... What you quoted still hints towards a move inside to G.

I'll pass on a 2nd round pick on a 4th round projection who is likely to move inside to a position thats already filled with drafting Konz in the first and keeping Hudson at G.

BigMeatballDave 01-18-2012 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8292703)
You are an idiot.

You can say that about every single position on the field.

With the new rookie pay scale, the positional value thing as it relates to the draft is minimized.

Konz is far and away the best center. We need a center.

Did you go ape shit crazy when we took a 3-4 defensive end or a safety with a top five pick the past two years? Because both of those positions are right there with Center and Right Tackle in terms of perceived positional value.

Or are you one of those reeruns that is happy overdrafting for a substandard quarterback because, well, "we need to take a quarterback, any quarterback, in the first round because we haven't done it in a long, long time."?

I love the Berry pick.

Turns out it was the right pick and you were wrong.

Taking C at 11 is dumb.

Trading down to the bottom of the first? Okay.

Saccopoo 01-18-2012 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8307426)
I love the Berry pick.

Turns out it was the right pick and you were wrong.

Taking C at 11 is dumb.

Trading down to the bottom of the first? Okay.

No dumber than taking a safety in the top five.

It's a position that can and usually is filled with guys that can be found later in the draft and a position that is associated with a shorter longevity because of heightened injury potential. (Case in point - Berry. If he comes back from the knee injury and is fine, great. But what if he doesn't? Was it the right pick then? And to this point, he's been primarily a run defender and a liability in the passing game. I like the kid a lot, but let's not go annoitting him the next Paul Krause after one mixed rookie season. And yeah, he went to the Pro Bowl, but so did Matt Cassel.) How often has Polamalu and Bob Sanders been injured over their careers?

Nightfyre 01-18-2012 03:26 AM

Vlachos in the third round is much better value and fits our zbs better than konz, imo.

BigMeatballDave 01-18-2012 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8307431)
No dumber than taking a safety in the top five.

It's a position that can and usually is filled with guys that can be found later in the draft and a position that is associated with a shorter longevity because of heightened injury potential. (Case in point - Berry. If he comes back from the knee injury and is fine, great. But what if he doesn't? Was it the right pick then? And to this point, he's been primarily a run defender and a liability in the passing game. I like the kid a lot, but let's not go annoitting him the next Paul Krause after one mixed rookie season. And yeah, he went to the Pro Bowl, but so did Matt Cassel.) How often has Polamalu and Bob Sanders been injured over their careers?

LMAO dumbass

jspchief 01-18-2012 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8306922)
NFLDraftCountdown came out with their top 100 today. Reynolds is not on that list as of right now. This guy though is listed at #49, which is right in the area of our 2nd round pick...

49. Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa St.

Staying with the flow of your draft for this particular discussion, Konz in the 1st, and Osemele in the 2nd would have us looking like this...

LT Albert
LG Hudson
C Konz
RG Asamoah
RT Osemele

So our line will be 2 rookies and a sophmore with limited playing time?

Never gonna happen.

KC HAS to fill a few starter roles with FAs, or stick with what they have. G/C happens to have a nice FA crop this year. It's the area that should be prime focus in FA.

And people need to start being realistic about how many rookies will start for KC in 2012.

jd1020 01-18-2012 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8307451)
And people need to start being realistic about how many rookies will start for KC in 2012.

I can only think of 2. C/G, since Weigmann will hopefully retire now, depending on where the Chiefs want to go with Hudson and RT, because Richardson is worse than Tebow at his position.

I can't see anyone else starting at any position on the roster, injuries aside. The only other one I could possibly see being a potential position for a rookie to start is at CB, if Carr is not re-signed.

Is it so unrealistic to see 2 rookies, who will likely be high draft picks, starting?

This team needs depth. The starters on this team are, overall, very capable. The problem is the depth is horrible.

the Talking Can 01-18-2012 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8307431)
No dumber than taking a safety in the top five.

It's a position that can and usually is filled with guys that can be found later in the draft and a position that is associated with a shorter longevity because of heightened injury potential. (Case in point - Berry. If he comes back from the knee injury and is fine, great. But what if he doesn't? Was it the right pick then? And to this point, he's been primarily a run defender and a liability in the passing game. I like the kid a lot, but let's not go annoitting him the next Paul Krause after one mixed rookie season. And yeah, he went to the Pro Bowl, but so did Matt Cassel.) How often has Polamalu and Bob Sanders been injured over their careers?

Still hating on Berry...hilarious.

A 'mixed rookie season'?

He had one of the best rookie seasons any safety has ever had. Ever. He was the second best player on the field for us in the playoff game, as a rookie.

Jesus ****, man. Berry was drafted because he had been a star his whole damn life from high school to college, and everyone but you could see it. And he wasn't injured because he's a hard hitting safety. He was injured because some dick bag took a cheap shot at his knee.

You're so spectacularly ****ing wrong about things. But now you want us to draft a center a #11...and a 3rd round guard in the 2nd to be a RT? Those are 'smart ideas' to you, but drafting Berry wasn't?

**** me

htismaqe 01-18-2012 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8307408)
I only watched one Iowa State game and didn't noticed Osemele in terms of standing out. I don't know much about him. Perhaps someone who viewed a lot of Cyclone games could chime in on him.

I hate the Cylcones, but he's pretty good.


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