Ok, I just missed it then. I'm listening to that station as well.

What we DO know:
They both go out that night, Perkins to a concert, Belcher out partying. They both show back up at the house.

What we DON’T know:
What time and who showed up first at the house for the alleged argument at 1 AM.

What we DO know:
He left the house and supposedly went to another girl’s house. Police officers had contact with Belcher outside of the woman’s apartment about 2:50 a.m. after someone called 911 to report a suspicious car that had been in the parking lot for about two hours.
Officers arrived at the apartment in the 700 block of Armour Boulevard, found the car, a black Bentley, and saw a man sleeping in the driver’s seat. The officers knocked on the window, woke the man — later identified as Belcher — and asked him what he was doing. He told officers he was waiting for his girlfriend to come home.
The officers asked Belcher to call his girlfriend and Belcher made a call. A short time later, a woman showed up at the apartment door and let Belcher inside. The woman waved at police, who then left because Belcher had no outstanding warrants and had committed no crimes. Police said he was very cooperative and may have consumed some alcohol but did not appear inebriated.
Two women who live in the apartment building, apparently neighbors of the woman Belcher was trying to visit, told police that Belcher stayed at their apartment until 6:30 a.m., when they woke him. The women said Belcher had asked them to wake him so he would not be late for a team meeting at 9:30 a.m.
Belcher, 25, apparently left the women’s apartment and drove to the 5400 block of Crysler Avenue, where he shared a home with his longtime girlfriend, Kasandra Perkins, 22.

They've really cleaned up Armor Boulevard

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&s...ed=0CD0Q8gEwAA

Possessing the keys to the car you are in while intoxicated is sufficient for a DUI.

Yep, even if you are asleep in the backseat or passenger seat, if you posses keys DUI.

In California, if you're sitting in your car, parked in your own driveway while intoxicated, a DUI can be issued.

My roommate got a DUI in Cali for this very reason. We were at a house party and she went outside to sit in the car and sleep, since it was loud in the house. She passed out in the drivers seat, car off. Cops showed up for a noise complaint, noticed her sleeping in the car and issued her a DUI. Personally, I think that's bullshit, but it is what it is.

What if he wasn't legally intoxicated?

That's the key point that nobody seems to want to acknowledge.

Again, "while intoxicated".

The police report, from what has been read on the radio, said he did not appear to be intoxicated.

My comments didn't really have any relation to the case. They were just to further Baby Lee's comments.

That said, I know many people (myself included) that would not appear intoxicated with a blood alcohol level of .08 percent. Plus, this this sub-discussion is somewhat irrelevant to the case overall because he was not cited for intoxication.

Precisely my point.

As soon as the info came out about the traffic "stop" Duhnise and a couple others instantly started with the "the police could have saved two lives but chose to let him go because he's a football player" bullshit.

We have no idea if they had any LEGAL reason to detain him. He was not cited for DUI or public intox.

It's a shame that two people died Saturday morning. Continuing to sacrifice liberty to prevent such tragedies however, is NOT an option.

We also know for a fact Jared Allen got pulled over drunk at last twice that he didn't go to jail.

It's not absolutely absurd to think he might have been intoxicated
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And **** you guys for making me feel like I'm taking up for the ****
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Yes, that is true about Allen.

And not it's not absurd at all. A reasonable person would probably assume he was drunk.

However, this whole "the cops could have prevented this but let him go because he's a Chief" stuff is ridiculous. He didn't hit somebody with his car. He SHOT someone. Looking for someone other than Belcher to blame? Now THAT is absurd.

You shouldn't feel that way. I know you're not sticking up for him. We are having a conversation.