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htismaqe 12-14-2012 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9207896)
My point about Geno is just what you said. Russell is the best ever, but Geno isn't worth the pick. I don't trust them, or really care what they think.

Makes sense now, sorry.

htismaqe 12-14-2012 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9207904)
I'm talking about the 2001 draft when SD traded down from the 1st pick, which was Vick to take LT. Then they drafted Brees

Ah, yes.

Hoover 12-14-2012 01:21 PM

Making a move like SD did in 2001 is very risky, but if you hit pay dirt with a QB in the second you look like a genius.

RealSNR 12-14-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9207918)
Making a move like SD did in 2001 is very risky, but if you hit pay dirt with a QB in the second you look like a genius.

They did hit pay dirt, too.

Lucky for us they were too ****ing stupid to know what to do with it.

I know they had already drafted Rivers at that point, but when you have the season that Brees did in his last year in San Diego, how are you not tempted to take what you know is a good thing and cut your losses by trading the other?

htismaqe 12-14-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9207918)
Making a move like SD did in 2001 is very risky, but if you hit pay dirt with a QB in the second you look like a genius.

San Diego really didn't hit pay dirt though. What do they have to show for that gamble? Nothing really. Certainly no hardware.

They ended up trading away the Super Bowl winner and are stuck with the whiner.

ChiefsCountry 12-14-2012 01:50 PM

Of course if we didn't trade for Trent Green in 2001, we **** the Chargers plan up.

Hoover 12-14-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9208069)
San Diego really didn't hit pay dirt though. What do they have to show for that gamble? Nothing really. Certainly no hardware.

They ended up trading away the Super Bowl winner and are stuck with the whiner.

They drafted an all-world QB and RB in the first two rounds. The GM messed it up and drafted Rivers while letting Brees walk.

MahiMike 12-14-2012 01:53 PM

Why draft just one? The Redskins just won a game with TWO rookie QBs!

htismaqe 12-14-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9208096)
They drafted an all-world QB and RB in the first two rounds. The GM messed it up and drafted Rivers while letting Brees walk.

Brees wasn't all-world in San Diego. He wasn't all world until he got to New Orleans and teamed up with Sean Payton.

Outside of a great 2004 season, he average over 15 INTs a season and barely scratched 6.0 ypa.

Deberg_1990 12-14-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9208069)
San Diego really didn't hit pay dirt though. What do they have to show for that gamble? Nothing really. Certainly no hardware.

They ended up trading away the Super Bowl winner and are stuck with the whiner.

In fairness, they really wanted E. Manning(drafted him) and basically were forced to settle. I suppose they coiuld be faulted for drafting Rivers over Roethlisberger......

htismaqe 12-14-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9208145)
In fairness, they really wanted E. Manning(drafted him) and basically were forced to settle. I suppose they coiuld be faulted for drafting Rivers over Roethlisberger......

True. That's fair.

**** Eli Manning...

htismaqe 12-14-2012 02:08 PM

Oh damn, I hate you.

Now I just thought "what if we draft Geno and he refuses to play in KC?"

Deberg_1990 12-14-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9208171)
Oh damn, I hate you.

Now I just thought "what if we draft Geno and he refuses to play in KC?"

hahahah....lets hope that doesnt happen.

I always found it funny that Archie didnt want Eli to play in SD because he thought it was a poor organization and didnt want his son to experience what he did in NOLA. Then, they got really good nearly immediatly after that with Marty.

I wonder if Marty would have won a title with Eli?

Red Beans 12-14-2012 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9208171)
Oh damn, I hate you.

Now I just thought "what if we draft Geno and he refuses to play in KC?"

They guy plays college ball at West Virginia. Outside of the possibility of proximity to family, it's not like WV's a cultural mecca. Hell, I'm surprised the mountain folk haven't revolted with a black QB at the helm of their prestigious institution. I have a hard time believing that spending time in KC would be any worse than spending time in Morgantown, WV...

Nightfyre 12-14-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9207704)
Amongst many of the scouting services, Ryan and Rivers were absolutely considered elite prospects. They weren't consensus like Eli Manning but they were considered elite prospects. Freeman and Roethlisberger were in that "next" group ala Ryan Tannehill last year.

Ryan had a lot of question marks and Rivers was absolutely a second-class citizen to Manning, who was more of a question-mark than Peyton.

Ryan and Rivers were both consensus top 10 QBs, just not elite. Geno Smith, to me, is a better prospect than Ryan, Schaub and Freeman were on tools alone. So is Geno Smith an elite prospect or not? To me, he is. Maybe he's not A+ like Luck and Griffin, but he is certainly no worse than an A-.


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