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jd1020 03-18-2013 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 9512302)
Dawg. I disagree wholeheartedly.

Wtf has Stafford done besides throw the ball a ridiculous amount of times and rack up tons of yards?

Ryan is good and I'd put him in or near the top 10 as well but he's still behind Flacco because of what Flacco just did.

RG3 was a rookie that couldn't finish the year and may wind up on the IR every season.

Newton hasn't accomplished shit in the NFL.

Hootie 03-18-2013 08:55 PM

Flacco had a great, great, great postseason which was gifted to him by the worst defensive play in the history of the NFL by Rahim Moore.

If that DIDN'T happen, no one would consider Joe Flacco anything more than a fringe top 10-15 QB that has major consistency issues.

This whole idea that he's elite now because he lucked into one Super Bowl makes me LOL.

jd1020 03-18-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9512353)
Flacco had a great, great, great postseason which was gifted to him by the worst defensive play in the history of the NFL by Rahim Moore.

If that DIDN'T happen, no one would consider Joe Flacco anything more than a fringe top 10-15 QB that has major consistency issues.

This whole idea that he's elite now because he lucked into one Super Bowl makes me LOL.

Big difference between elite and top 10.

I'd say there are only 4 elite QBs.

Rodgers
Brady
P. Manning
Brees

E. Manning is probably 5 but I don't consider him an elite QB.

Hootie 03-18-2013 08:58 PM

Cam Newton was drafted by the worst team in the NFL.

Joe Flacco was drafted by a perennial playoff team with a great defense and a great running game.

Joe Flacco hadn't accomplished shit in the NFL either...until he strung together two good postseasons...

you know, which is ****ing nice and all other than the fact he puts in abysmal regular season after abysmal regular season.

I understand postseason football is where it really counts but good luck continuing to get to the postseason with Joe Flacco as your QB once that elite defense gets old and regresses (UH OH, THAT JUST HAPPENED)...

He still needs to take that regular season step before I can consider him elite. Maybe the monkey is off his back now because everyone is sucking his dick and he can put in a great regular season and then I'll fully admit he's great (because I know he has that potential)...

but MY MONEY IS ON another Joe Flacco year...and I'm predicting they go 8-8 because the QB doesn't show up on the road.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-18-2013 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9512318)
Some of those are arguable (Cutler, Rivers) but this whole idea suddenly that Joe Flacco is an elite QB is total bullshit and I didn't think Hamas Jenkins could be Rahim'd Moore like a lot of this board but it seems to have happened.

Flacco is a lot like Eli: A mediocre fantasy QB that has quietly put together multiple elite playoff seasons now.

That matters. In the last two postseasons he's thoroughly whipped Brady's ass twice, Manning's once, put together a damned nice SB, and a should-have-been-game-winning AFCCG drive.

Yeah, the Rahim Moore play was lucky, but so was the helmet catch, Tuck Rule, the end zone pick that the Bengal dropped in his breadbasket in SB XXIII, and several other examples.

Hootie 03-18-2013 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9512359)
Big difference between elite and top 10.

I'd say there are only 4 elite QBs.

Rodgers
Brady
P. Manning
Brees

E. Manning is probably 5 but I don't consider him an elite QB.

I'd take Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick over Drew Brees next year without a doubt.

Russell Wilson is a lock in my eyes. He'll be considered the best QB in the NFL within 2 years. Kaepernick is the most physically gifted QB to ever lace up a pair of cleats.

Brees is great and all but the amount of tipped balls and INT's he continues to throw is alarming. I think the Saints are done being Super Bowl contenders.

I love Rodgers. He's one flaw away from being the perfect QB (he needs to stop taking too many sacks).

Brady and Manning are on their last legs and will Manning be able to win in the cold when it counts? Will Brady be able to play good in the postseason ever again?

If I could choose one QB for 2013 I'm choosing Russell Wilson.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-18-2013 09:01 PM

Hootie,

I think your fantasy Guru-itude has caused you to severely overrate regular season numbers and stats.

Hootie 03-18-2013 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9512377)
Flacco is a lot like Eli: A mediocre fantasy QB that has quietly put together multiple elite playoff seasons now.

That matters. In the last two postseasons he's thoroughly whipped Brady's ass twice, Manning's once, put together a damned nice SB, and a should-have-been-game-winning AFCCG drive.

Yeah, the Rahim Moore play was lucky, but so was the helmet catch, Tuck Rule, the end zone pick that the Bengal dropped in his breadbasket in SB XXIII, and several other examples.

Ok I agree...

Eli played about as bad as Alex Smith in the 2011 NFCCG.

Eli is three miracles away from Tom Brady being 5-5.

I agree that Eli and Flacco have elevated their play in the postseason.

I also think Eli >>>> Flacco

and I also think Flacco is what Flacco is...and if the team can overcome his inconsistency perhaps he can do what he did the past two seasons again...

but I'm not banking on it...

and if I'm a Ravens fan I'm happy as shit we won a Super Bowl but I'm not looking forward to 2013 and thinking "WE'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN!"

No, I'd be thinking..."boy, I think we're ****ed."

Give me Russell Wilson please. He's going to be a hall of famer. In 3 years or less (I say 2), everyone will be like "he's the best QB in the NFL."

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-18-2013 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9512378)
Kaepernick is the most physically gifted QB to ever lace up a pair of cleats.

That would be Randall Cunningham.

DeezNutz 03-18-2013 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9512384)
That would be Randall Cunningham.

People remember only the stationary thrower in MN. They forget the electric freak in Philly.

Talk about a gifted athlete and a damn good QB.

Hootie 03-18-2013 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9512382)
Hootie,

I think your fantasy Guru-itude has caused you to severely overrate regular season numbers and stats.

dude what I saw from Wilson against Atlanta gave me a 5 hour erection...

that dude is a PURE winner with an amazing blood line

he BLEEDS excellence...that dude will never fail

bookmark these posts...there is no way he isn't considered THE ELITE OF THE ELITE sooner than later...the dude is ****ing marvelous

and Kaepernick? Who's going to stop him. He runs like Newton, slings it like Favre, and threads it like Brees. He's still raw but he got to a ****ing Super Bowl, has a great head on his shoulders, has a great coach to compliment him, and has an excellent supporting cast.

I'm taking Wilson over Kaepernick but in terms of the new age QB I'm taking both of those guys over Luck and not even thinking twice about it.

Honestly, bookmark these posts. I'm sure of these things.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-18-2013 09:05 PM

I'm absolutely with you on Wilson. I called him a HOF'er in the Atlanta game.

Hootie 03-18-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9512384)
That would be Randall Cunningham.

No ****ing way.

How is Cunningham better than Kaepernick?

and you know what, I hate when you do this

we are the same age

you can't possibly argue this, just like I really can't...

when did we ever watch more than highlight films of Randall Cunningham doing his thing?

Hammock Parties 03-18-2013 09:05 PM

Call me when Kapernick has 942 yards rushing in one season.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-18-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9512390)
People remember only the stationary thrower in MN. They forget the electric freak in Philly.

Talk about a gifted athlete and a damn good QB.

Buddy Ryan should be executed for his mismanagement of that team.


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