If you give me 20 HRs and 45 2bs, you're absolutely a good #3 hitter.

It's not Ryan Braun, but there's a difference between being a legitimate #3 hitter and a legitimate superstar.

Look at what Holliday's done since 2008. He's a 25 HR, 45 2b, .300 hitting RBI machine because of his approach and raw strength. That's the kind of player that Alex Gordon has become and that's absolutely a guy that can/should be playing in the 3 hole. If you get yourself a 30+ HR guy, he's probably not going to also be a burner, so he's your 4 hitter.

Gordon's blend of power/speed/patience is absolutely perfect for a 3rd place hitter, IMO.

RBIs are dependent upon others and are thus not a metric one should use to evaluate a hitter.

Example: Gordon recently hit around .500 for a long stretch of games, and he had 2 RBIs during this same period. Best evidence I've ever seen to show that RBIs are damn near meaningless.

Agreed...I put RBI's in the same column as batting avg. They're nice but misleading.

OK, but Gordon has hit 20 or more HRs once in his career. 88 total.

If he were consistently in the mid-20s, I'd be inclined to agree. And before we could slot a 30+ guy into the 4 hole, we'd need guys who could actually get on base at the top, which we don't.

I think you're asking too much of Dyson; I can't imagine he'll ever have the OBP for the leadoff role.

Cain
Perez
Gordon
Butler
Hosmer
Moose

I've always liked having a guy with a little bit of thud at 2 and while Perez still has his legs, I'd have him batting 2. With age and time behind the plate, he'll lose some of the athleticism he has now and you'll need to move him down to 6/7 (hopefully Escobar would have developed into a potential 2 hitter at that point).

But you're right - you can't do what you 'should do' when they're all absolutely lost up there.

Firing Seitzer was just pure madness. I loved listening to that guy talk hitting on 810 - he flat out knew his shit.

I still hate this team....

<3

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</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">G</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">AB</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">R</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">H</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">2B</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">3B</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">HR</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">RBI</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">BB</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">K</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">SB</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">CS</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">AVG</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">OBP</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">SLG</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">OPS</td><td style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.25em;">
</td></tr><tr class="ysprow2" style="font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(246, 247, 242);" align="right"><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" align="left" height="16"> Total</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">
</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">43</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">150</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">15</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">33</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">7</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">10</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">5</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">37</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.220</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.255</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.313</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.568</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">
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</td><td style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.25em;">
</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">G</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">AB</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">R</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">H</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">2B</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">3B</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">HR</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">RBI</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">BB</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">K</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">SB</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">CS</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">AVG</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">OBP</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">SLG</td><td class="yspdetailttl" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">OPS</td><td style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.25em;">
</td></tr><tr class="ysprow1" style="font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" align="right"><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" align="left" height="16"> Bases Empty</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">
</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">N/A</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">80</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">N/A</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">14</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">18</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.175</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.205</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.263</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.467</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">
</td></tr><tr class="ysprow2" style="font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(246, 247, 242);" align="right"><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" align="left" height="16"> Runners On</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">
</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">N/A</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">70</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">N/A</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">19</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">5</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">9</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">19</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.271</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.311</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.371</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.682</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">
</td></tr><tr class="ysprow1" style="font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" align="right"><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" align="left" height="16"> RISP</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">
</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">N/A</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">40</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">N/A</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">8</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">7</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">13</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.200</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.273</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.275</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.548</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">
</td></tr><tr class="ysprow2" style="font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(246, 247, 242);" align="right"><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" align="left" height="16"> RISP w/2 Outs</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">
</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">N/A</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">15</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">N/A</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">4</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">5</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.267</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.313</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.400</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.713</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">
</td></tr><tr class="ysprow1" style="font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" align="right"><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" align="left" height="16"> Bases Loaded</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">
</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">N/A</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">3</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">N/A</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">1</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">2</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">0</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.333</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.333</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.333</td><td class="yspscores" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" height="16">.667</td></tr></tbody></table>

Frechy's clutch.

Yep. the other team knows they can always count on him!

Ugh, real palyers lose that ball in the fountain! Are our bats made of balsa wood?

Hamas - I was going to give it a bit to see if I could be convinced of his 2 'great' breaking balls, but I'm still not buying.

Lyons has a decent slurve, but it's a roller. It doesn't have a hard break and he doesn't have the fastball to make you fear it. You can hang back on it because Lyons works at 90 mph or so. I don't care for his changeup at all; he doesn't seem to do very well to stay on top of it. Really, I just don't see an out pitch here.

We're working with house money with this kid, IMO. I'd be shocked if he's able to keep his ERA below 4.50 for any appreciable period of time.

Yea, i was talking more an ideal situation but Dyson probably won't ever be that good.

I hated the Seitzer firing but a ton of people around here applauded it.


imo Seitzer took the fall for Moose and Hosmer sucking anus.

Moore and Yost blamed the hitting coach instead of the players and the minor league system for letting the players develop such crappy habits.

Santana settling in. Picthing well

What does Con Garra mean?