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ChiefsCountry 09-24-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10016600)
To that end, do you think Manziel will sit next year? Boyd? Bridgewater?

I don't. If I were a season ticket holder, I'd demand those guys start from day one.

I am a season ticket holder. I don't want to rush a quarterback that could kick ass for a decade. Do the Kurt Warner/Eli route or Brees/Rivers. You can win some games, let them learn the game and then roll later in the year with them.

scho63 09-24-2013 08:46 PM

The only thing Fisher has done so far this season is bounce off the ground

Pablo 09-24-2013 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10016849)
Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?

Who called Eric Fisher a bust?

Can you read? He's just played piss poor in the first three games and you can't take away any sort of inspiration that he'll develop into a quality tackle from these performances. It's not over for the guy. He can still be good. The track record so far suggests he was a mistake.

Since you're talking about Geno Smith here; I'll just say he's shown some rookie mistakes. He's made some really dumb decisions that have cost his team the game. He's also shown spots of brilliance that make you remember why he was even in the discussion at 1.1 in the first place. Fisher has not.

He gets more time to develop because he plays the most important position in the NFL. Fisher doesn't. He's supposed to play a position where he can step in from day one and be a strong contributor. He isn't asked to do the sort of things a QB is. It's that simple.

Rausch 09-24-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10016849)
Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?

Because we keep wasting 1sts on combine/workout warriors and not productive players.

I'm glad Poe seems to have turned the corner but reaches like him and Baldwin are why we were where we were...

Eleazar 09-24-2013 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10016863)
No one is calling fisher a bust, he's played 3 games ffs. It will be at least 2 years before the guy is declared one thing or another.

I doubt it. The CP hate culture is pretty focused on him.

No quarter will be given to this 22 year old from the MAC for not dominating the NFL immediately.

O.city 09-24-2013 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10016874)
Who called Eric Fisher a bust?

Can you read? He's just played piss poor in the first three games and you can't take away any sort of inspiration that he'll develop into a quality tackle from these performances. It's not over for the guy. He can still be good. The track record so far suggests he was a mistake.

Since you're talking about Geno Smith here; I'll just say he's shown some rookie mistakes. He's made some really dumb decisions that have cost his team the game. He's also shown spots of brilliance that make you remember why he was even in the discussion at 1.1 in the first place. Fisher has not.

He gets more time to develop because he plays the most important position in the NFL. Fisher doesn't. He's supposed to play a position where he can step in from day one and be a strong contributor. He isn't asked to do the sort of things a QB is. It's that simple.

I don't think nfl teams think the same way as your last paragraph states per say

O.city 09-24-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10016881)
I doubt it. The CP hate culture is pretty focused on him.

No quarter will be given to this 22 year old from the MAC for not dominating the NFL immediately.

He was the first overall pick of the draft. He hasn't lived up to that as of yet. It's ok to say that.

Pablo 09-24-2013 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10016881)
I doubt it. The CP hate culture is pretty focused on him.

No quarter will be given to this 22 year old from the MAC for not dominating the NFL immediately.

CP tends to hate players that play like shit, so yeah.

If he starts playing like he belongs in the league then it will stop.

RT isn't a glamour position. If he does his job well, he probably won't even be noticed by most fans. If he does poorly, he's going to get lambasted. Them's the breaks when you're a tackle in this league.

It's not his fault that our GM decided a RT from a D1AA school was worth the number one overall. He's going to be forever linked to that pick, though. There's just no getting around it.

Pablo 09-24-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10016883)
I don't think nfl teams think the same way as your last paragraph states per say

It's why guys like Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder get an exceptionally long leash. QB's just get more time to develop and mature. ESPECIALLY highly drafted QB's.

Eleazar 09-24-2013 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10016876)
Because we keep wasting 1sts on combine/workout warriors and not productive players.

I'm glad Poe seems to have turned the corner but reaches like him and Baldwin are why we were where we were...

but Fisher wasn't a reach. He more than likely would have been top 5 even if we'd been elsewhere in the draft.

Baldwin was picked at the bottom of the first round, so I don't know how terrible that is. It's not comparable to whiffing on a Tyson Jackson type of pick.

The two biggest success factors in the NFL today are Head Coach and Quarterback. If you don't have those, nothing else really matters.

I think the reason why we've mostly been a bottom feeder for the last decade is because we haven't had either one of those until this offseason. It wasn't because we missed on a DE 5 years ago.

Belichick and Newsome whiff on picks too.

O.city 09-24-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10016901)
It's why guys like Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder get an exceptionally long leash. QB's just get more time to develop and mature. ESPECIALLY highly drafted QB's.

Highly drafted players, not just qbs get that.

Pablo 09-24-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10016913)
Highly drafted players, not just qbs get that.

Eric Fisher will get every chance in the world to prove he doesn't suck. He could blow goats for the next two years straight; and he's still out there starting his third season.

He's this regime's first pick. He's the number one overall pick. He'll get his shot to prove he can be an adequate tackle. No doubt about that.

I just know that myself personally; and a huge percentage of the fan base view a RT as an incredibly safe pick. If you draft a RT; then he shouldn't need some sort of lengthy transition period. He should just come in and be able to play at a decent to good level and progress from there.

Fisher has come in and under-performed by an incredible margin. Didn't expect that from the guy our GM deemed the best college player available.

Hammock Parties 09-24-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10016812)
Andrew Lucks first 3 games:

1win 2losses
54% completion
846 yards passing
80 yards rushing
5td 4int

Geno Smiths first 3 games:

2wins 1loss
54% comp
801 passing
78 rushing
4td 6int

Game, set, match.

Hammock Parties 09-24-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10016646)
So now you're for 'simply above average' at Quarterback?

I thought the idea was elite or nothing so you didn't end up 8-8?


you're so full of shit

Trent Green was an above average QB. Joe Flacco is an above average QB.

I don't have some mystically high standard for QB play. I just want another Trent Green.

Eleazar 09-24-2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10016913)
Highly drafted players, not just qbs get that.

Right... all I am saying is, why write him off or hold him to a different standard because he hasn't been effective immediately? He made the biggest jump in the level of competition he's facing of anybody we've added in the draft in recent years.

He developed pretty steadily at the collegiate level but this is a whole different ballgame. It was always going to take time.


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