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htismaqe 03-24-2014 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 10513718)
I don't think the knockout punches are what makes boxing worse, anyway. It probably has more to do with the cumulative effect of taking head punches. An MMA fighter may only take 3 to 10 actual head shots a match. A boxer could take dozens. Plus I think boxers generally have longer careers. So hundreds of head punches over time.

Correct.

That's also why head trauma is such a big problem with offensive linemen. It's not the 1 big hit, it's the 30+ little ones they take during the course of every game.

Sannyasi 03-24-2014 03:23 PM

Wishful thinking on Cuban's part perhaps. I don't watch the Thursday night games because the level of play has been poor, however that fact hasn't impeded my desire to watch the Sunday games at all.

Deberg_1990 03-24-2014 03:36 PM

Cuban is exaggerating of course. But 40-50 years ago the most popular sports in America were MLB, Boxing and Horse Racing.

Who's to say in another 30 years or so the most popular sports might be MLS, MMA and NHL?
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BlackHelicopters 03-24-2014 03:46 PM

Cuban is 10 minutes away from an implosion at any time.

Rain Man 03-24-2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10513693)
Its more powerful than a mere law. Laws can be changed on a whim.

It is codified into the framework of our culture. The NFL is more inseparable from American culture than most other things. We want football, we won't accept flag football (and no we're not at flag football, the game still pretty much looks the same), and we will put up with death and danger to keep our football. Period.

It may not be up to us. If a judge starts handing out $50 million verdicts to "concussion victims", the business model doesn't work. I'm not saying it'll happen, but if we recognize that the NFL is a business, then businesses only operate when they're profitable.

I agree more with Cuban that the problem is going to be interest more than some catastrophic business change. However, it all ties together to some extent. The business of the NFL is....

...watering down the product to broaden their fan base, for the goal of chasing revenue increases.

...watering down the product to minimize legal risk.

...attempting to minimize the two impacts above by increasing their exposure.

...attempting to create new revenues streams such as TV products (e.g., RedZone and Sunday Ticket).

...attempting to create bigger stories by creating bigger stars via those new TV products.


It all makes sense from an MBA perspective. The thing that worries me is that marketing is driving the process now, and not the product. It's the same problem as any industry - if you have a crappy product with great marketing, people will still eventually figure out that it's a crappy product. And as Mark Cuban suggests, that actually speeds up the decline because you know have a broad awareness that it's a crappy product.

Fat Elvis 03-24-2014 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10513648)
The NRA and American conservatives have enough clout to maintain the status quo of gun rights in the country.

I'm not so sure the NFL and USA Football (to an extent) can convert their capital wealth into a campaign effective enough to make people shrug off the shocking death of a man playing a game.

You haven't been paying much attention to all the brain injury suicides then and how folks just say, "meh."

Rasputin 03-24-2014 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10512856)
Yep. He applied for ownership of the Houston franchise but was denied. He had all the credentials.


Honestly I wish Cuban could buy the Chiefs franchise. I know Cuban would do what ever it takes to bring in a Championship.

rabblerouser 03-24-2014 06:17 PM

Hell I'm already almost done. They're pricing me right out of the building, and the on field product has me turning off the TV and turning my attention elsewhere.

cosmo20002 03-24-2014 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 10514081)
Hell I'm already almost done. They're pricing me right out of the building, and the on field product has me turning off the TV and turning my attention elsewhere.

http://i2.listal.com/image/1531941/6...ers-boothe.jpg

tk13 03-24-2014 08:52 PM

The NFL responds!

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Cuban, who is the star of the reality show "Shark Tank," received some blowback from fellow Dallas billionaire Jerry Jones on Monday.

"I respect Mark,'' the Cowboys owner told the Dallas Morning News. "But with all due respect, I know more about pigs than Mark does. I was taught as a Razorback to be lean and mean, not a little fat pig."

Goodell, asked about Cuban's comments at Monday's media conference here, said he wasn't aware of them. He responded anyway.

"Monday Night Football has been around since 1970," Goodell said. "Sunday Night Football has been around since 2006 and so has Thursday Night Football. We've taken, I think in a very incremental and thoughtful approach, how we've taken more games to a national platform. That's been in a large part driven by our fans. The fans want those games."

It's hard to argue against Goodell's point. There seems to be no end to the demand for the NFL. What was once confined largely to 16 weekends, a few weeks of playoffs and the draft is now a year-round drama with its own network. Although there are issues about keeping stadiums filled, those concerns are nothing compared to other pro leagues, including the NBA.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-ans...48462-nfl.html

chiefsfan987 03-24-2014 11:05 PM

I can see that. There was a time where I could watch any nfl game and enjoy it, but it's gotten to the point where the only NFL I watch these days are when the Chiefs play. I don't care about any of the other games, monday night, sunday night etc. I don't watch them unless it's the playoffs.

BigMeatballDave 03-24-2014 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 10514072)
Honestly I wish Cuban could buy the Chiefs franchise. I know Cuban would do what ever it takes to bring in a Championship.

Horseshit.

SB winning teams win thru the Draft.

chiefzilla1501 03-24-2014 11:27 PM

Roger Goodell will find a way to ruin the game. One thing at his job he's actually good at.

Spreading the draft out several days. **** you.
Forcing games in London with reckless disregard for homefield advantage and travel disadvantage. **** you.
Spreading out games and ruining football Sundays I spend with buddies? **** you.
Complete monopolization of TV rights such that you have to plant a satellite dish to watch a game at home? **** you.
Signing an exclusive jersey apparel deal that allows the maker to ridiculously jack up the price? **** you.
Ridiculous rules that allow TV companies to change game times at the last minute, flying a middle finger in the face of out-of-town travellers? **** you
Creating ridiculous offensive friendly rules that sell tickets, but now give extraordinary advantage to teams with great QBs? **** you

And the reckless disregard for safety has created the NFL version of MLB's steroid controversy. They were so stupid about this for years that they can't actually enforce rules now without admitting a mistake. Here's a classic example. How is there not a rule to force players to wear a ****ing mouthpiece. Honest to God.

I still love the NFL. But Cuban's got a point.

cosmo20002 03-24-2014 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10514704)
Roger Goodell will find a way to ruin the game. One thing at his job he's actually good at.

Spreading the draft out several days. **** you.
Forcing games in London with reckless disregard for homefield advantage and travel disadvantage. **** you.
Spreading out games and ruining football Sundays I spend with buddies? **** you.
Complete monopolization of TV rights such that you have to plant a satellite dish to watch a game at home? **** you.
Signing an exclusive jersey apparel deal that allows the maker to ridiculously jack up the price? **** you.
Ridiculous rules that allow TV companies to change game times at the last minute, flying a middle finger in the face of out-of-town travellers? **** you
Creating ridiculous offensive friendly rules that sell tickets, but now give extraordinary advantage to teams with great QBs? **** you

And the reckless disregard for safety has created the NFL version of MLB's steroid controversy. They were so stupid about this for years that they can't actually enforce rules now without admitting a mistake. Here's a classic example. How is there not a rule to force players to wear a ****ing mouthpiece. Honest to God.

I still love the NFL. But Cuban's got a point.

You know that Goodell does none of these things without the blessing of the owners? And often with the agreement of the players? And that some of these things have nothing to do with him? Your complaint is with the owners.

BigMeatballDave 03-25-2014 12:16 AM

People need to stop blaming Goodell for these changes.

He does this stuff because the owners want it, too.


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