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'Hamas' Jenkins 01-22-2015 07:59 PM
Do these additions from the JUCO ranks make any of you worry about what guys like Rhodes and Bauer have shown in practice?

Saul Good 01-22-2015 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11286897)
Do these additions from the JUCO ranks make any of you worry about what guys like Rhodes and Bauer have shown in practice?
No. Bauer is a Guard. Chappell is the one most affected by this signing.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-22-2015 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11286903)
No. Bauer is a Guard. Chappell is the one most affected by this signing.
I know Bauer is a guard, but there is a significant amount of flex in the number of lower level tackles that get moved to guard, just like how many NFL guards were college tackles.

Also, Rhodes is a tackle.

Saul Good 01-22-2015 08:14 PM
This move is about a possible replacement for Chappell and simply adding an extremely talented player.

Pitt Gorilla 01-22-2015 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11286914)
I know Bauer is a guard, but there is a significant amount of flex in the number of lower level tackles that get moved to guard, just like how many NFL guards were college tackles.

Also, Rhodes is a tackle.
No worries about either. Clay is coming back from surgery and will be fine.

duncan_idaho 01-23-2015 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 11283598)
So Duncan.....are there any good prospects on the present roster to step up and fill the WR shoes? This years WR crew didn't really make defenses worry and if those on the roster already couldn't beat out this crew is the cupboard bare?
The best of the bunch is Nate Brown, who flashed at times last year. J'Mon Moore is there athletically but needs to grasp the offense better mentally.

Keyon Dilosa, who redshirted because he ruptured his Achilles', is apparently an absolute freak of nature (and could have played in the bowl game) on Danario Alexander levels (Huge, fast, strong, crazy vertical leap).

They're also going to need a freshman or two to flash, I think. I could see the Johnson kid earning some immediate PT as a kick returner/slot weapon (he's very good in the open field). Smith and Emmanuel Hall are both freshman WRs I'm very high on. Smith has great size and good speed to pair with it. Hall is more 6-2/6-3 but has good speed and seems polished.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11286897)
Do these additions from the JUCO ranks make any of you worry about what guys like Rhodes and Bauer have shown in practice?
I worry more about what Taylor Chappell and the tackles not named Mitch Morse showed in games. The offense clearly was better off playing McGovern at G and letting he and Boehm dominate the interior side-by-side. They can probably limp by with Chappell at RT again (he wasn't completely unplayable there, though he wasn't good) if they can find a more reliable LT.

I still like Rhodes' potential and upside, but he's only got two years in the program. It's more common for guys to need 3-4 to be solid contributors on the OL in college, especially skinny HS tackles like Clay who must add significant strength while improving technique, too.

Howell and Cuellar are, to me, a comment on the staff's comfort level with Chappell and the LT spot in general. In years past, if they were comfortable with Chappell, he'd be the guy sliding over to LT (like Morse did this year and Britt the year before).

I think this year's LT is one of Cuellar, Howell or Rhodes. With the losers pushing for time at RT, hopefully. Michael Fairchild also had a great redshirt season as a spring enrollee and might be in the mix.

Bauer had a solid redshirt year but not an enormously great one due to his hip injury as a HS senior. He's not in Nick Demien "He's never coming all the way back" territory or anything, but expectations for Bauer as a redshirt freshman should probably be tempered a little. He lost a lot of strength and development time to that injury and needs to catch back up.

Mizzou_8541 01-23-2015 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11287629)
The best of the bunch is Nate Brown, who flashed at times last year. J'Mon Moore is there athletically but needs to grasp the offense better mentally.

Keyon Dilosa, who redshirted because he ruptured his Achilles', is apparently an absolute freak of nature (and could have played in the bowl game) on Danario Alexander levels (Huge, fast, strong, crazy vertical leap).

They're also going to need a freshman or two to flash, I think. I could see the Johnson kid earning some immediate PT as a kick returner/slot weapon (he's very good in the open field). Smith and Emmanuel Hall are both freshman WRs I'm very high on. Smith has great size and good speed to pair with it. Hall is more 6-2/6-3 but has good speed and seems polished.



I worry more about what Taylor Chappell and the tackles not named Mitch Morse showed in games. The offense clearly was better off playing McGovern at G and letting he and Boehm dominate the interior side-by-side. They can probably limp by with Chappell at RT again (he wasn't completely unplayable there, though he wasn't good) if they can find a more reliable LT.

I still like Rhodes' potential and upside, but he's only got two years in the program. It's more common for guys to need 3-4 to be solid contributors on the OL in college, especially skinny HS tackles like Clay who must add significant strength while improving technique, too.

Howell and Cuellar are, to me, a comment on the staff's comfort level with Chappell and the LT spot in general. In years past, if they were comfortable with Chappell, he'd be the guy sliding over to LT (like Morse did this year and Britt the year before).

I think this year's LT is one of Cuellar, Howell or Rhodes. With the losers pushing for time at RT, hopefully. Michael Fairchild also had a great redshirt season as a spring enrollee and might be in the mix.

Bauer had a solid redshirt year but not an enormously great one due to his hip injury as a HS senior. He's not in Nick Demien "He's never coming all the way back" territory or anything, but expectations for Bauer as a redshirt freshman should probably be tempered a little. He lost a lot of strength and development time to that injury and needs to catch back up.
A few things:

1) Thoughts on the probability of a Hale Hentges flip?
2) Is Lawrence Lee gone gone, like Levi Copelin, or is there a chance he could come back?
3) How do you know Bauer had a solid year last year? Not disagreeing, I just never heard anything at all other then he needed time to recover.

duncan_idaho 01-23-2015 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 11287645)
A few things:

1) Thoughts on the probability of a Hale Hentges flip?
2) Is Lawrence Lee gone gone, like Levi Copelin, or is there a chance he could come back?
3) How do you know Bauer had a solid year last year? Not disagreeing, I just never heard anything at all other then he needed time to recover.

1) Near zero (I suspect we'll hear he is done with recruiting after his trip to Alabama this weekend)

2) Completely zero. He stole shit from teammates and got caught. Even Shawn Kemp gets irrevocably bounced for that type of behavior. And Shawn Kemp was a hell of a lot better player than Lawrence Lee.

3) The father of a current OL posts on another board I read and has talked about Bauer being in a recovery/rebuild mode this season, as a redshirt. In reports from camps the past year, you also sometimes hear tidbits about players, and Bauer was mentioned as being solid but not spectacular due to his injury recovery. Fairchild, however, was mentioned as standing out numerous times and almost made the two deep as a true freshman.

Mizzou_8541 01-23-2015 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11287741)
1) Near zero (I suspect we'll hear he is done with recruiting after his trip to Alabama this weekend)

2) Completely zero. He stole shit from teammates and got caught. Even Shawn Kemp gets irrevocably bounced for that type of behavior. And Shawn Kemp was a hell of a lot better player than Lawrence Lee.

3) The father of a current OL posts on another board I read and has talked about Bauer being in a recovery/rebuild mode this season, as a redshirt. In reports from camps the past year, you also sometimes hear tidbits about players, and Bauer was mentioned as being solid but not spectacular due to his injury recovery. Fairchild, however, was mentioned as standing out numerous times and almost made the two deep as a true freshman.
Thank you sir.

1) Was hoping that his father's comments had some legitimacy.
2) I hadn't heard he stole shit.
3) Unlike our basketball team, the OL seemed to improve as the season went on. Excited to hear this about Bauer.

tomahawk kid 01-23-2015 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11287741)
1) Near zero (I suspect we'll hear he is done with recruiting after his trip to Alabama this weekend)

2) Completely zero. He stole shit from teammates and got caught. Even Shawn Kemp gets irrevocably bounced for that type of behavior. And Shawn Kemp was a hell of a lot better player than Lawrence Lee.

3) The father of a current OL posts on another board I read and has talked about Bauer being in a recovery/rebuild mode this season, as a redshirt. In reports from camps the past year, you also sometimes hear tidbits about players, and Bauer was mentioned as being solid but not spectacular due to his injury recovery. Fairchild, however, was mentioned as standing out numerous times and almost made the two deep as a true freshman.
It'd have been interesting to be a fly on the wall during Hentges recruiting.

Obviously, Bama is Bama. That's a great opportunity for the young man - but rumors have been around for awhile that Hentges' dad holds ill will toward Mizzou based on HIS recruting experience there back in the day.

Regardless, Bama is recruting 2 OTHER 4 Star TE's and Saban is notorious for over-signing and then pulling offers or "grey shirting" players at the last minute. It should be interesting to see how this plays out......

WhawhaWhat 01-23-2015 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 11287861)
2) I hadn't heard he stole shit.
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According to MU police, Lee stole a laptop from the South Hall dormitory on Nov. 10 or 11. Two days later, Lee is alleged to have stolen a video game and controller from the same dorm.

He became the focus of the MU police investigation Tuesday after allegedly stealing an iPhone from a locker room at the Mizzou Athletic Training Center that afternoon.
words.

duncan_idaho 01-23-2015 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid (Post 11287869)
It'd have been interesting to be a fly on the wall during Hentges recruiting.

Obviously, Bama is Bama. That's a great opportunity for the young man - but rumors have been around for awhile that Hentges' dad holds ill will toward Mizzou based on HIS recruting experience there back in the day.

Regardless, Bama is recruting 2 OTHER 4 Star TE's and Saban is notorious for over-signing and then pulling offers or "grey shirting" players at the last minute. It should be interesting to see how this plays out......
I think it's more a matter of Bama being Bama than his dad being upset or anything. And if he's holding a grudge 30 years later, that seems petty and weak-minded.

General:

I was just looking at recruiting commit lists and comparing ESPN, Rivals and 247. ESPN is much higher on this class than the other two, but it still is Missouri's best class since 2010.

If Missouri closes in a best-case scenario over the next two weekends, which actually seems decently possible, it is going to add DT Terry Beckner, WR Brandon Martin (who is on campus today), DE Nate Howard (flipping him from Wisconsin), DT Tyrell Jacobs, and LB Quarter Sapp.

This would give Missouri 11 4-stars or better according to ESPN (Beckner, Lock, AJ Harris, Nate Strong, WRs Richaud Floyd, Brandon Martin, and Ronnell Perkins, JUCO DE Marcell Frazier, JUCO OT Tyler Howell, GA ATH T.J. Warren and GA LB Quarte Sapp).

ESPN obviously is higher on this class than anyone else. Which may not say anything about the actual talent in the class, but it does say something about what their talking heads are going to say about Mizzou.

On 247 Spots, they would still have 7 4-stars or better (Beckner, Lock, Strong, JUCO RB Chase Abbington, ATH Marquise Doherty, WR Justin Smith, and LB Sapp).

On Rivals, it would be 7 4-stars or better (Beckner, Lock, Strong, Abbington, Doherty, Sapp, Harris)

Stars aren't the end-all, be-all, but the recruiting services like this recruiting class more than any other Mizzou has had of late. And I do, too.

I think Lock and Beckner are true stars at the college level. Especially Lock. They're going to get at least one playmaker out of the RB group (though Strong is already enrolled at JUCO and not making it to Columbia until 2016), I actually love this WR group (size and speed combos in Smith and Hall, and a dynamite open-field/slot/multiple purpose guy in Johnson) and think it produces at least one star, and they're adding a bunch of high caliber athletes on the back end of the defense (Doherty, Warren, Sapp/Terez Hall).

Mizzou_8541 01-23-2015 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 11287989)
words.
Wow. Good riddance.

KChiefs1 01-24-2015 02:57 PM
****Official 2015 Missouri Tigers Football Thread****
 
Tyrell Jacobs the DT from Louisiana who decommitted from Oklahoma has committed to Mizzou.

KChiefs1 01-24-2015 03:01 PM
****Official 2015 Missouri Tigers Football Thread****
 
Under Armor All-American WR Brandon Martin from Dallas TX has committed too.


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