Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11539304)

You'll never get an answer that satisfies the criteria in your head...

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11539304)

Allen and Floyd are not great receiving weapons.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11539304)

Andrew Luck has played with some horrible surrounding talent. At times his offensive line has been bad, their running game is atrocious, and he's basically had a 54 year old Reggie Wayne and an ascending TY Hilton on the perimeter.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11539341)

doesn't sound that way, no. Even if to accept the few elites, Rivers being a top 7 QB, and Wilson... the list still is short. Just don't seem to be many non-elite QBs that excel with both bottom tier WRs and OLs. So why should Alex be expected to? Only now can we say that Smith is being paid top dollar vs the cap.. and only now can we say the pass options are above bottom tier.

That still leave the OL tier to be determined.

Now, I'd say he does have enough promising pass weapons for a better year.. but OL? impossible to say. I am guessing the OL does crawl out from bottom 10. So if they do and Smith still plays too much small ball that is ineffective? yes, I too will be disappointed.. and will share in the QB frustration.



The words we use are important. No, I am not calling Rivers' pass weapons great.. and interesting that you left Gates out of the equation... but again, we are talking about bottom tier... not good... not "great." His pass options are at least better than bottom tier, imho.



a 54 yr old Wayne was better than any WR that the Chiefs have fielded lately. I think most would agree that an old Wayne would have been a better pairing for Alex than Bowe.. though not by miles. Hilton is a larger asset in the pass game than all of the WR pass weapons that KC has had in the last 2 years. Even "pure" Chiefs fans stated that they would trade every single WR on their roster for one Hilton. Ether way... again, we are talking about Luck.. who most would label a QB God in the making.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 11537615)

It's funny, people think Alex is a good QB simply because he doesn't turn the ball over often.

Sadly, I think most of his detractors would accept more turnovers if it meant more yards and TDs. But that's not likely.

This is EXACTLY the type of defense that allows a QB to be aggressive. Throw an INT? No worries, we have your back. Can't imagine too many people would complain if he doubled his TDs and INTs.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11539352)

Even still, you're going to keep making excuses as you always do.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11539368)

That's fine. The point was, I asked if anyone could name some non-QBs that have excelled with bottom tier OLs and WRs.

You and others managed to come up with Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Rivers, Luck.. and Wilson. 3 are clearly elite.. one is borderline elite.. Luck is Luck.. and Wilson puts up similar production to Smith, but yes.. does chuck it up deep more often.

Great job!

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11539313)

In a 10 year career, Alex Smith has thrown 42 completions of 40+ yards.

In 3 years, Russell Wilson has 29.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11538483)

Still waiting. If this can not be sufficiently replied to with names, then it means that your entire stance on "excuses" eats the butt. The only replies in the past were of elite QBs like Brady or Rodgers... and whether legit or not, no one ever claims that Smith is on the level of those guys.

Most of the same people criticizing Smith for his gun-shy, average play have also stated at different times that the OL and WRs are not good. Even that the playcalling sucks. So if the OL and WRs are not good, what the hell do you really expect this QB to do?

It's simply irrational thinking.. and seems to be only for CP.

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 11539394)

Do you think its his dreamy eyes? It has to be. No other rational explanattion.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11538634)

Those clamoring for deep passes then had one or two motives going for them.. maybe both.


They know the OL is shit, and wanted Alex to get physically destroyed.

They are obsessed with the fantasy football, chuck it up Geno style bro! allure of deep passes.

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 11539394)

Do you think its his dreamy eyes? It has to be. No other rational explanation.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11539378)

It's not fine. It's ****ing annoying. I just provided you with more than a handful of names that find ways to excel despite subpar line play and receiving weapons. You continue to make excuses..

"Well......... THOSE GUYS ARE ALL GOOD!" No ****ing shit.

Originally Posted by rico (Post 11539402)

I seriously do think some of these ASsexuals have crushes on him.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11539404)

Or they wanted the threat of a deep ball to loosen up the defense a little


Edit: I see sensible people already stated this

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 11539326)

I have some argument with Hootie over him, but I have to admit the kid is clutch. Something Alex is not.