Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 13027537)

Who pissed in your breakfast? Look man, if we can't be optimistic in the pre-season, what the hell do we have as Chiefs fans?

Originally Posted by cmdrzman (Post 13027452)

I know enough to know that both Mahomes and CJ Beathard from SF both 2nd string QBs that both had 23 attempts in the last 2 games and that Beathard had almost 100 more yards in the same attempts as Mahomes, same 3 TD's thrown and a higher QB rating than Mahomes...

So whattya say we kinda pump the breaks a little on this Mahomes for MVP drooling here... if that's the case... than it looks like CJ frekin Beathard is the next Tom Brady-

Whattya say we wait and see what he can do vs #1 defenses, and I'm not talking about dinking and dunking all day long on frekin bubble screens- lets see this dude take the Chiefs down the field and score in crunch time and win a game before we start getting his yellow jacket fitted mkay?

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 13027533)

It's so funny seeing a Faiders fan come in here and try to tell us not to be so excited about our rookie QB. I sense fear.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13027921)

cumdumpsterman is pinning his hopes on Mahomes not working out because right now every game on the Raiders' schedule against the Chiefs with Alex Smith is an automatic L.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13026328)

Not to nitpick, but I think you're grading him on an aptitude scale, while everybody else is grading him on an achievement scale. You're giving him an aptitude rating... how well does he play the QB position compared to the entire body of NFL QBs, where those with the best QB aptitude receive A's and those who come up short receive grades less than that. Madden ratings, basically.

I think most of us are thinking of this grade as achievement rating-- what did he accomplish according to what the expectations are? Given Mahomes' college background, his age, his experience, and his familiarity with the playbook, his list of expectations he needs to achieve in a preseason game looks different than what Alex Smith needs to achieve.

No, I'm not saying he plays by special rules. I'm saying that his expectations are different. A 5th grader who aces all of his math tests is probably good at math, and as you keep teaching him, he's probably going to continue to achieve high grades for what's expected of him. You wouldn't compare what he knows in math with the entire school system's math curriculum and say, "He knows no algebra, trig, or calculus yet. He's a "D" grade math student."

That situation is just like Mahomes and our subjective grades for this game. We're grading him based on what was expected of him compared to a typical rookie QB.

I agree. He's not REALLY running the offense, and his knowledge of the routes, schemes, and timing obviously needs like... you know... a year. Two years. More. It takes a long time to get that shit down for ANY QB. But this is live football. He has to play with what he's given in the time he's been given it, and it's his job score points, even if they're meaningless preseason points. Docking him because he's doing what works for him in a test where NOTHING slows down so you can learn and develop at your own pace isn't the appropriate way to assess him at this stage.

He's still learning algebra, and he's kicking ass at it. He'll eventually learn calculus. Just because he fails calculus now, however, doesn't mean he didn't ace tonight's algebra test.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13026328)

He's still learning algebra, and he's kicking ass at it. He'll eventually learn calculus. Just because he fails calculus now, however, doesn't mean he didn't ace tonight's algebra test.

Originally Posted by UK_Chief (Post 13028025)

Mahomes is making me Beat Hard...

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13030405)

He didn't really execute from the pocket like you'd want him to.

But he also doesn't look overwhelmed by it all. Which imo, considering where and what he's coming from, is a great sign.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13030405)

He didn't really execute from the pocket like you'd want him to.

But he also doesn't look overwhelmed by it all. Which imo, considering where and what he's coming from, is a great sign.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13030436)

Of course it is. It's a fantastic sign.

He doesn't looked overwhelmed and that means he can eventually get a handle on it. But he doesn't look comfortable either.

We're talking about an NFL quarterback here, fellas - a B grade is above average. He plays a whole season at a B level and you'll have a nice season on your hands. Hell, if he plays 4+ seasons at a B level, your pick is worthwhile.

But that's what we saw in that game - a young kid who's still kinda making shit up as he goes and who's going to guess wrong at an inopportune time. That's not an A level player.

I'm elated we have him. I think he'll be a star. I've never been happier with a pick and Mahomes was my preferred target from the jump. I'm extremely happy with how he's played to this point.

But c'mon - that wasn't an A performance for an NFL quarterback. That was a good day and a great start but there were still places that need ironing out.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13030456)

It looked like a suped up johnny football performance, which isn't bad, but he needs to win from the pocket and use the other skills when he needs them. Basically, like ARog.

Also, fwiw, Alex smith has looked fantastic. I know it's the preseason and we shall see if it lasts (lol) but he's looked as good as I've seen him.