They may move one of their front of rotation guys (Kluber, Carrasco, Bauer) but I don’t expect much else.

Gomes was expensive and they didn’t get much back in return at all. I don’t believe either of the prospects received made the Indians top 10 guys.

They’re also not doing a full tear down. They’re trying to selectively sell a few pieces here and there to shed payroll.

That may be to clear some payroll for a Lindor extension or extend their window... but they’re also not making moves that are going to allow them to close this window with a title unless something fluky happens.

So they’ll walk about with 5-6 division titles in a decade, with one WS appearance and no wins.

Wouldn’t trade two WS and a title for that, no matter what the rest of the decade shows.

He’s not beyond reproach. If/when he predictably elevates Matheny to replace Yost as manager, I don’t think any around here will avoid criticizing him.

In fact, as I’ve stated here in the past few weeks, it will run through the rest of the leash I’m allowing.

I’m willing to be patient and give some leeway and apply some context and understanding... but there is none that explains elevating Matheny.

He will throw games by playing bible study guys!


(Fan stupidity. Hitting an all time low)

Dude you got your ass kicked on this by Cards fans and then hid from this thread for a while. Probably best to let this one go.

Hey fuckface - show me exactly where I got "my ass kicked by Cards fans".


I just went thru this whole thread and didn't see jack shit. Put up or shut the f---up.

It doesn’t matter what his reasons were for overvaluing crappy veterans and giving them tremendous leeway and playing time at the expense of talented young players. He did it consistently.

Whatever the reason for that was, it also doesn’t change the fact Matheny was 1) the least effective manager at utilizing his bullpen; 2) abusive of his best bullpen arms to the point of overworking and ruining multiple guys

It doesn’t roll back that he was not liked by his players and had trouble connecting with them. That he had players he went months without communicating with except by text, that he was terrible with young players to the point of letting JAG vets like Bud Norris abuse young players like Hicks.

Dude, you can't say my "stupidity is at an all time low" by "voicing rumors that have never been proven", while multiple Cardinal fans have come in and talked about how the Bible Studies were confirmed by multiple beat writers.

I've let this kind of thing slide before. You repeatedly called me a dumb**** for predicting that James Shields would slip to "Guthrie like production" before 2016 and I never really took you to task about it.

Own up like you demanded Duncan do about Kennedy or let it go, man.

Go read the last three pages... it is very clear he played favorites. He held bible studies and those were his guys. Metheny is a bad manager and should be no where near a rebuilding team.

Don't know why you guys bother with him. He's not going to admit he's wrong. He will just keep doubling down.

Proof. Show me proof. I don't care what the bfibs said. Show me something tangible. Or admit it just doesn't exist.

Who? Who are these beat writers? I'm asking you (or whoever makes the claim) to show me. PD beat writer Derrick Goold specifically states the exact opposite:

If there's peer pressure, it's not readily apparent. If there's favoritism, it's not readily apparent, or it's a perception that doesn't last. If there's an insistence on between "goody-two shoes" ... well, that's just there's not. There's just not.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/is-a...497a72ed3.html

Googled "mike matheny bible study" and clicked on the first link. It's an interview between Darrin Patrick, former Cardinals Chaplain, and Mike Matheny...

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/a...ood-and-faith/

That isn't in dispute^^^. The charge is that he allowed his faith to influence his roster decisions. And it's bullshit until someone shows proof.

You're putting some good DC spin on this, I'll grant you that. But you still have yet to explain if Matheny was so good... why did the Cardinals fire him midseason with a winning record?

You know why... he wrecked that clubhouse. You keep asking for proof. The proof is that one of the most image conscious organizations in the league chucked the guy because he lost the clubhouse.

So even though if a player that was confirmed in the study group was less productive than the guy on the bench that wouldn't be good enough for you? You need someone to link video of Matheny saying that he directly started a player because he prayed with him that day? ROFL