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chiefzilla1501 02-19-2019 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14113926)
As I mentioned in the other thread, that 12up article is referencing Nate Taylor's speculation from last week. It's not "new" news nor do I think Taylor ever said they're getting cut, he just said it makes sense to cut them.

That being said, Houston isn't going to take a pay cut. He has all the leverage. The Chiefs, if they want to tag and keep Ford, are going to HAVE to cut him. Berry and Houston don't HAVE to do anything.

I don't agree Houston has leverage. He knows the Chiefs can and will cut him and that the threat is real. If he for example turns this years base into bonus, he basically makes the same money in 2019 but it's incredibly more cap friendly for kc. with a contract extension he has the peace of mind knowing hes guaranteed probably until retirement.

htismaqe 02-19-2019 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 14113929)
I don't think Houston makes 18 million next year if he hits the FA market.

He might sign a big contract that he won't ever see most of but no one is paying him 18 million this upcoming season.

He'd probably make more restructuring here...

Somebody is going to give him deferred guarantees and a signing bonus, which is exactly what the Chiefs are going to try and do.

He may not be able to get significantly more from another team but he won't know until he tries. Never underestimate ego in all of this, he's not going to take a deal from the Chiefs without seeing what others will offer.

htismaqe 02-19-2019 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14113932)
I don't agree Houston has leverage. He knows the Chiefs can and will cut him and that the threat is real. If he for example turns this years base into bonus, he basically makes the same money in 2019 but it's incredibly more cap friendly for kc. with a contract extension he has the peace of mind knowing hes guaranteed probably until retirement.

He could go get the same signing bonus somewhere else. You think he's scared of getting cut? ROFL

chiefzilla1501 02-19-2019 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14113931)
I’d think he could probably still get 12-14 per year with a team like Green Bay or something

That's probably about right. Assuming you mean $9-10 base with $3-4m per year bonus. That's really not a lot for a quality pass rusher.

chiefzilla1501 02-19-2019 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14113936)
He could go get the same signing bonus somewhere else. You think he's scared of getting cut? ROFL

I don't think he's scared of getting cut. He just knows he can be. I'm sure his preference is to stay in kc. If kc offers him a deal that's at least competitive with what he'd get in the open market, don't see why he wouldn't restructure. And kc offering his base salary as bonus already gets us to competitive. At this stage in his career, I'd imagine hed rather be guaranteed.

htismaqe 02-19-2019 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14113941)
I don't think he's scared of getting cut. He just knows he can be. I'm sure his preference is to stay in kc. If kc offers him a deal that's at least competitive with what he'd get in the open market, don't see why he wouldn't restructure. At this stage in his career, I'd imagine hed rather be guaranteed.

He's going to get paid on the open market. There are several teams like the Colts that can, and will, pay him more than the Chiefs. If it comes down to an ultimatum, plan on him refusing to restructure. The only way he can even know if what the Chiefs are offering is fair is to get offers from other teams and compare.

chiefzilla1501 02-19-2019 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14113943)
He's going to get paid on the open market. There are several teams like the Colts that can, and will, pay him more than the Chiefs. If it comes down to an ultimatum, plan on him refusing to restructure. The only way he can even know if what the Chiefs are offering is fair is to get offers from other teams and compare.

I don't think we disagree that much. What I meant by leverage is if the Chiefs want to pay him the market rate, which will undoubtedly be well less than his current contract, they hold all the cards. If they really wanted to keep him, worst case scenario they keep him at his current contract. If he sees the open market it will be because the Chiefs didn't want to pay his current base salary and don't want to pay the market rate, not because Houston held any cards. Wouldn't count out the possibility that the Chiefs cut him so Houston can test what his market rate is, then outbid.

Skyy God 02-19-2019 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14113920)
Well... Houston is in a different situation. Berry has leverage because cutting him is a huge cap hit. Houston doesn't have leverage because he knows he's an easy cut. Players won't hand over guaranteed money. But it's not uncommon at all for a player nearing the end of his contract to extend to a much cheaper contract by basically turning base salary into bonus. Houston is a lot more worried right now about his next contract than his current one.

He has 2/32 left on his deal. He’s not getting $16M/year on the open market.

However, he might get 3/24 with decent guranatees. I just think it’ll be elsewhere.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-19-2019 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 14113895)
Dont' know its validity - But...

I hope this wasn't your "big feeling". I understand the cap hit, but good god I'd rather see Ford and Berry go.

Steron 02-19-2019 11:03 AM

Restructure or buh-bye.

chiefzilla1501 02-19-2019 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14113967)
He has 2/32 left on his deal. He’s not getting $16M/year on the open market.

However, he might get 3/24 with decent guranatees. I just think it’ll be elsewhere.

The last year really doesn't matter. The question is if anyone will pay him $16m this year. If you turn that into a signing bonus, that's a very reasonable number in the open market.

In58men 02-19-2019 11:10 AM

DoD will be a ****ing beast

Skyy God 02-19-2019 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14114002)
The last year really doesn't matter. The question is if anyone will pay him $16m this year. If you turn that into a signing bonus, that's a very reasonable number in the open market.

He got $32M guaranteed on his 6 year deal.

Hell no should he get $16M guaranteed next year. That’s ascenine.

BigRedChief 02-19-2019 11:44 AM

Told you guys. Houston is gone. Why pay a DL top 3 money when they are not? He can restructure or be gone.

Chief Northman 02-19-2019 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14113967)
He has 2/32 left on his deal. He’s not getting $16M/year on the open market.

However, he might get 3/24 with decent guranatees. I just think it’ll be elsewhere.

LOL.

Houston would easily get $16 million + on a 2-3 year deal. Smarten up.

It’s his cap number the Chiefs cannot manage right now at $21 million.


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