Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 15487813)

Yeah, but what if Derrick Johnson’s (strip sack) wasn’t called forward progress.

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He killed that mother ****er too

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15488054)

Watched the replays a few more times and I do get the point to a larger extent... of course, when you slow a play down and watch it several times, it's not the same bang-bang play, but I get the complaint.

He was of course trying to get low and did lead with his helmet, more so than I was thinking before... I still think it's a stretch to call a penalty on such a play though. He could have tried punching the ball out, but again, watching on replay and in hindsight.


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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 15489176)

They're only in the game at all because Mahomes went down. And the league has already announced they're not suspending Sorensen for the hit, so it must not be terribly egregious in the eyes of the league.

Originally Posted by Imon Yourside (Post 15489197)

If my aunt was my uncle she would have a penee

Originally Posted by joethomas (Post 15488817)

Every defender in the history of football that has been in that position has done the same thing. You try to knock the guy out of bounds with your shoulder. If the runner decides simultaneously to go low, how is that the defender's fault? The runner could have stayed up, protected the football, or tried to get around the defender in any number of other ways.

If we are going to talk about "that touchback rule is dumb" even though it's always been that way, we should talk about this modern innovation "leading with the helmet" call is dumb most of the time when it gets called.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15490000)

I'm on mobile or I'd post it but on youtube Chris Simms has a video about the game. He discusses this play, why it shouldn't be a penalty and also why everyone who doesn't like the fumble in the end zone being a touchback is a pussy.

Originally Posted by Mav (Post 15487629)

Now, as a Browns fan, do I think that the Browns win that game if we are given that penalty? No. Of course not. The Chiefs were always the better team. But, can you convince me that we finish getting blown out completely down 19-10 at halftime as opposed to 19-3? No. The bigger point to me is that the league is apparently obsessed with safety yet that very obvious play with a ref right there isnt called is a much bigger issue to me.

The Browns did not deserve to win that game. The Browns were not talented enough to win that game. But Browns fans like myself do have a right to be upset that the call was missed. Just like the Chiefs fans have every right to be angry at Dee Ford for jumping offsides and costing the Chiefs the Super Bowl.

Just my two cents. Neg rep away.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15487597)

OK, this really bothers me. Browns fans are arguing that this was a game changing call and that one called back TD was the difference in a 5 point win. OK, fair point. Not calling helmet to helmet may have been a miss.

The biggest game changer as we all know wasn't the fumble, it was mahomes getting injured. Mahomes was throttling the browns and probably would have kept doing it. Would mahomes have still gotten a concussion if the browns scored? I mean, cmon.... Probably not. Here's a more likely scenario. If browns score 7, chiefs get the ball back and score 3.chiefs go into halftime 19 - 10. Browns down 9 (instead of 16) have to claw from behind

Unless people think the browns run the same exact plays in that scenario, baker throws that same exact pick, then the Chiefs run the same exact plays with the same exact outcome its very unlikely mahomes gets knocked out of that series.