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The Franchise 04-26-2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16261890)
It's a huge concern for me. Others on here say he plays faster than he tests. But the tape on him still looks slow to me. He works in RPO situations though.


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nick Bolton was drafted with pick 58 of round 2 in the 2021 draft class. He scored a 4.62 RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 1161 out of 2155 LB from 1987 to 2021. <a href="https://t.co/eBxiv4gUsq">https://t.co/eBxiv4gUsq</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAS?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAS</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/pJtZskZjBr">pic.twitter.com/pJtZskZjBr</a></p>&mdash; Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) <a href="https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1388299024780963847?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Chieftain 04-26-2022 11:14 AM

Those measurables on Bolton is why I've always found analytics to be useless garbage.

Chiefnj2 04-26-2022 11:15 AM

Why do people put any credence into RAS scores?

Top 10 Chiefs in terms of RAS scores include the following players:
Brian Johnston (DE) perfect 10
William Bartee (CB) perfect 10
Brad Cottom (TE) 9.5
Omar Easy (FB) 10.0
Fujita (LB) 9.96
Jeff Webb (WR) 9.9
Chris Conley (WR) 9.68
Mike Capatano (DE) 9.81

staylor26 04-26-2022 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 16262655)
Why do people put any credence into RAS scores?

Top 10 Chiefs in terms of RAS scores include the following players:
Brian Johnston (DE) perfect 10
William Bartee (CB) perfect 10
Brad Cottom (TE) 9.5
Omar Easy (FB) 10.0
Fujita (LB) 9.96
Jeff Webb (WR) 9.9
Chris Conley (WR) 9.68
Mike Capatano (DE) 9.81

Exactly. It’s just a tool, not the gospel.

MahomesMagic 04-26-2022 12:28 PM

Watch Burks play. He's plenty fast.

Kiimo 04-26-2022 12:59 PM

I never said RAS was gospel.

I just think that if you have a low score I'd like to hear the reason why a player is going to be better than that score.

For instance people said that Bolton had elite anticipation and understanding of where to be and when. As far as I can tell that prediction was 100% accurate.

The guy who creates RAS is constantly tweeting outliers, guys with pretty low scores who succeed despite them. It's just kind of the exception, you don't disprove all RAS scores by showing one example of a guy who scored low and succeeded anyway. It doesn't pop the bubble.

wachashi 04-26-2022 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 16262655)
Why do people put any credence into RAS scores?

Top 10 Chiefs in terms of RAS scores include the following players:
Brian Johnston (DE) perfect 10
William Bartee (CB) perfect 10
Brad Cottom (TE) 9.5
Omar Easy (FB) 10.0
Fujita (LB) 9.96
Jeff Webb (WR) 9.9
Chris Conley (WR) 9.68
Mike Capatano (DE) 9.81

Why didn't you include all 10?

It's possible to let RAS, or a version of it, factor into a decision without being the driving force. I'm betting that is how most front offices use these types of analytics. I doubt any halfway decent GM would make a draft decision based solely on RAS.

That score doesn't claim to account for skill, instincts, vision, or character. All pretty important variables.

Nick Bolton is a good example. His main attributes coming out were his instincts, processing, and tackling ability. That pretty well shined through watching him play last year. No one would call Nick Bolton a freak athlete in today's NFL, but he's a damn fine linebacker.

Chris Meck 04-26-2022 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16262621)
Anyone expecting Burks to be Deebo will be sorely disappointed.

He is nowhere near the threat that Deebo is with the ball in his hands.

Watching that clip of Burks take a WR handoff around the corner was cringe. That is not his game. The Deebo comparisons are kind of lazy. They're mostly based off physical appearance IMO.

No, I see AJ Brown.

which is fine. that's a useful player.

chiefforlife 04-26-2022 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16263220)
No, I see AJ Brown.

which is fine. that's a useful player.

Good comparison!

Watch Burks! He isnt Drake London, he regularly takes it to the house. Pulling away from DBs on his way. RAS says he shouldnt be able to do that but he does! I would take him over Drake all day and yet Drake is ranked much higher.

Chris Meck 04-26-2022 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16262818)
Watch Burks play. He's plenty fast.

I like Burks just fine.

I'm not in on London. I just don't see that translating to the NFL. I see Kelvin Benjamin.

Kiimo 04-26-2022 05:05 PM

I'm not fond of either one of them.

MahomesMagic 04-27-2022 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16263381)
I like Burks just fine.

I'm not in on London. I just don't see that translating to the NFL. I see Kelvin Benjamin.

Which Benjamin? Fat Benjamin?!


It doesn't matter if you like London. Actual NFL teams do.

Chris Meck 04-27-2022 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16264000)
Which Benjamin? Fat Benjamin?!


It doesn't matter if you like London. Actual NFL teams do.

Yeah well, that's just...like...my opinion, man.

MahomesMagic 04-27-2022 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16264006)
Yeah well, that's just...like...my opinion, man.

Mike Williams was a recent top ten pick and just got a contract for 20 million a year.

You may not be a fan of the style of WR but London is a better prospect than Williams was. Quicker, more agile. Also strong on the ball.

Chris Meck 04-27-2022 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16264012)
Mike Williams was a recent top ten pick and just got a contract for 20 million a year.

You may not be a fan of the style of WR but London is a better prospect than Williams was. Quicker, more agile. Also strong on the ball.

yeah, well...that's just like...YOUR opinion, man.


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