Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17228056)

In my amateur opinion, Jones makes the entire DL function just by being on the field. Does Sneed do the same for the DBs? I don't see it. I like Sneed as a player, but he's no unicorn.

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17228433)

You're not the Chiefs GM

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17228447)

He isn't, but Veach himself refused to give Chris $30 million APY after he came off his bets season.




Big piece in the Championship game. Did nothing the other 2 games.




Part of it comes down to cost. I think that like Tyreek they had a number they wouldn't cross for Chris. I think this is turning the same way the Tyreek saga did. A "good" offer was extended but the player wants to chase a vastly overpaid player that can't justify his contract (Davante for Tyreek, AD for Chris).

This is just my opinion, but based on evidence I think 2 things are happening here:

1. Veach tried to get Chris down but he'a adamant that he wants $30 million year. Veach knows that isn't happening.
2. Veach has pivoted to Sneed, who is younger, cheaper and will help lessen the blow of losing Chris (elite coverage will help pass rush).

Also keep in mind that the only player Veach has paid that is over 30 is Kelce, but Kelce rocks and is on a very team friendly deal that's half of what Chris wants.

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17228433)

You're not the Chiefs GM, you're just some old Dinosaur dude wannabe.

You know who actually helped win the SB last year? Not you, Chris Jones was a critical piece.


Now your point that you think Jones is done soon is fair, should have just said that instead of "can't afford him" which is not accurate but instead I don't want to pay for a player that could rapidly decline.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17228059)

Love Jonesy. Can't pay him $30m per.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17228459)

You can afford to pay anyone anything if you're willing to deal with the consequences. The consequences of paying Jones a top of the market 3rd contract is that you probably can't pay Sneed and Bolton 2nd contracts. You think Bolton was an important person in the Super Bowl win?

I'd rather pay the young, still ascending players than be overpaying for past production with over 30 players.

It's called smart cap management. That doesn't make me a dinosaur, it means I understand consequences. You don't.

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17228456)

His cap hit is 27,000,000 this year so the idea that Veach won't pay 28 or 30 is not borne out by the contract he has.

To me the issue wasn't the cap hit. Veach was fine with paying his best defensive player market value. It was the length of the deal. Veach wanted shorter and Jones wanted more guarantees.

If Jones is willing to play for 2 years at a similar cap hit I think he stays.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17228478)

I agree but I don't think he wants that. That's the problem. Here's the reality: we have quite a few good players up for contracts the next 2 years.

2024-Danna, Gay, Chris, Sneed, Tranquill, Smith (great LT value).
2025-Creed, Trey, Reid, Omenihu, Bolton

That's some good talent walking out the door and I'm sure Veach wants to try to keep some of them. He knows he needs to replace them too and the best tool to do that is the draft.

Here's the problem with the draft: we only have 5 draft picks next Spring. That's the fewest we've had since 2002. That limits us from moving around for good players or drafting depth.

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17228470)

I understand that perfectly well. The fact that you think you are some genius that has some unique insight that you can't pay everyone just shows what an old reerun you are.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17228483)

No, I don't think I have some genius insight, it just seems that you're that stupid. So I keep trying to explain it to you. And you just don't seem to get it. I think most people here do. Lead a horse to water, I guess.

I kinda think Bolton was pretty integral to that Super Bowl win. If we win it this year, you can bet Sneed will be a big part. They're just entertaining their prime.

We've already paid Jones a second contract.

Top of the market deals on over 30 players isn't a good bet. I don't think I do it. If I was going to, I'd have done it last year. Now he's a year older.

Probably not.

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17228395)

You guys know we've already had like 3500 posts arguing about whether Jones is worth it, right?

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17228440)

Uhh, it can't just be me that thinks Jones MIGHT be starting that decline already, right? Absolutely awful game against the Broncos and the only impact he made against the Dolphins was that abysmally stupid penalty. Maybe the bye week gets him rested up and he's back to the shit****ing force we're used to.