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Megatron96 12-11-2023 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17273912)
Toney is a liability, yes he’s a good football player when he has the ball in his hands but the negatives outweigh the positive. You have to sit him next game. Continue to feed Jerry Rice Jr and Kelce and run Pacheco.



He should be benched for a game, at a minimum. These WRs have shown ZERO professionalism or accountability. MVS' comments prior to yesterday were symbolic of the lack of personal responsibility by these WRs.


There's just no excuse for lining up offsides for a WR. Hell, Toney was looking at the ball, and just for reference's sake, whoever was lined up on the other side of the OL was lined up properly; he could've taken the hint from that guy and adjusted accordingly.

If this were just this one instance, ordinarily I'd be much more forgiving, but the lack of discipline and professionalism has been an issue since last season with Toney, and frankly with Skyy as well. A message should be sent to these guys in the form of a benching, and better now while there's still a chance it'll hit home and force a change in their habits and execution.

room152 12-11-2023 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17273715)
Even if it was ruled a fumble there was a clear recovery by Kelce. But I get what you're saying. If the team could play just a little better, they wouldn't be in these super tight games. Damn this one hurts real bad. What a great play by Kelce with that lateral.

I actually thought Buffalo recovered it. That's why KC challenged the play. It was clearly coming out before he was down. If Kelce had a clear recovery why on earth would they need to challenge? :hmmm:

IowaHawkeyeChief 12-11-2023 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 17273773)
FWIW it appears KT did not check with the line judge

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All 22 angle of the Kelce lateral/Toney offside play. Doesn&#39;t appear Toney once checks with the sideline judge on his side from this.<br><br>Also amazing job still from Kelce finding him in space. <a href="https://t.co/UyiVABuBSp">pic.twitter.com/UyiVABuBSp</a></p>&mdash; Shaun Newkirk (@Shauncore) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shauncore/status/1734071439869788421?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can you post the endzone view? Toney is absolutely mauled 10 yards downfield and it should have been offsetting penalties. The endzone view really shows the contact and Toney is upset it wasn't called as he's gesturing to the refs before Kelce laterals the ball.

room152 12-11-2023 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 17273763)
Can you remember another instance of a player on offense lined up that far offside?

no not even close

IowaHawkeyeChief 12-11-2023 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by room152 (Post 17273952)
no not even close

:troll:

mabbott 12-11-2023 12:11 PM

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This view shows from the direct side and he is not horribly offside.

The next picture shows the very next play of the bills being offsides... same side, same official, no call...

The third picture shows the same toney "offsides" where the bills are also offsides... why is only one offsides when both players are in the nuetral zone?

Mephistopheles Janx 12-11-2023 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17273942)
He should be benched for a game, at a minimum. These WRs have shown ZERO professionalism or accountability. MVS' comments prior to yesterday were symbolic of the lack of personal responsibility by these WRs.


There's just no excuse for lining up offsides for a WR. Hell, Toney was looking at the ball, and just for reference's sake, whoever was lined up on the other side of the OL was lined up properly; he could've taken the hint from that guy and adjusted accordingly.

If this were just this one instance, ordinarily I'd be much more forgiving, but the lack of discipline and professionalism has been an issue since last season with Toney, and frankly with Skyy as well. A message should be sent to these guys in the form of a benching, and better now while there's still a chance it'll hit home and force a change in their habits and execution.

What did MVS say? I must have missed it and I would love to add kindling to the roaring fire that is my hatreed for him.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 12-11-2023 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mabbott (Post 17273955)
This view shows from the direct side and he is not horribly offside.

The next picture shows the very next play of the bills being offsides... same side, same official, no call...

The third picture shows the same toney "offsides" where the bills are also offsides... why is only one offsides when both players are in the nuetral zone?

There is a crystal clear photo of Toney from the overhead angle that is posted in this thread. He was so clearly offsides that his head was past Von Millers head lol. Bench this fraud. Justyn Ross gets his snaps next game

Mephistopheles Janx 12-11-2023 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 17273754)
If there were zero advantage to lining up on the opposite side of the ball, it wouldn't be ****ing illegal to do so.

Good grief, guys.

100%.

"Football is a game of inches". - Vince Lombardi Jr.

Him being 6 inches over the line matters.

room152 12-11-2023 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17273938)
What? His knee was obviously down... The sideline hit on Pat is called 90% of the time against any notable QB, and it can be argued it was helmet to helmet. The chick missed the forward progress call, but we would have spiked it and lost maybe 5 seconds... The bigger issue is the inconsistencies through out the game. Watch the All-22 from last week and this week and tell me the holding calls the Chiefs are getting are more blatant than the holding that wasn't call throughout most of the game on the Packers and Bills? The blatant Packers hands to the face on a huge 3rd and 4th down conversions that ended in scoring drives. Or look at Taylor's "false start" yesterday compared to 2 other times the Bills tackles were way earlier... It's not just questions at the end of the game that's upsetting, they need to just be consistent...

You had said the refs wanted the Bills to win the game and were cheating for said outcome. If that was true they never would have reversed Kelce's fumble that was called a fumble on the field. If they were truly cheating for Buffalo that never would have been overturned. It was a fumble.

Megatron96 12-11-2023 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mephistopheles Janx (Post 17273964)
What did MVS say? I must have missed it and I would love to add kindling to the roaring fire that is my hatreed for him.



The original clip is posted somewhere in here, but I don't have time to run it down. This is an edited version of it, but you'll get the idea:
<iframe width="320" height="560" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/OX2s0PcASHw" title="Chiefs MVS takes no BLAME for offensive STRUGGLES! 🤡 #chiefs #kansascitychiefs #chiefsnews #nfl" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>

philfree 12-11-2023 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17273881)
Toney’s head is literally lined up with Von Millers head lol. Toney is not a smart football player

So they were both offsides. Thet were watching us close so they could call something on us. They did and we lost.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 12-11-2023 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 17273981)
So they were both offsides. Thet were watching us close so they could call something on us. They did and we lost.

No… Miller was behind the ball. That’s how far offsides Toney was. The only part of Toney not behind the ball was his back foot. He was literally helmet to helmet with Von Miller who is behind the ball

Molitoth 12-11-2023 12:27 PM

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VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 12-11-2023 12:27 PM

Toney never checked with the ref once….. even our police WR Rice on top of screen checks with the ref

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s the All-22 film on the Kelce lateral/Toney offsides play. <a href="https://t.co/62fThV5ZCN">pic.twitter.com/62fThV5ZCN</a></p>&mdash; how bout those CHIEFS (@hbtCHIEFS) <a href="https://twitter.com/hbtCHIEFS/status/1734260266748035561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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