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Mecca 12-16-2024 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17861616)
Mahomes used to catch heat for "drifting back in the pocket." Technique wise it's not ideal, I get that. But it would buy him an extra second before the rush got to him and I wonder if he throws a better deep ball when he's drifting backwards a little.

Now he runs forward into pressure and gets smoked.

BWillie 12-16-2024 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17861596)
Begging you guys to watch the game and focus on our receivers. Kelce is NOT the same Kelce from 2022. He’s 35. He’s clearly lost a step.

The pass to Kelce looked slightly off. It really looks like Mahomes is used to throwing to a spot Kelce used to be in and now he’s not getting there as fast.

Seriously. Watch Kelce specifically. He’s slowed down A LOT

As I've said before Kelce is better at TE than anyone ever. Expecting Patrick to play as good as he did during Kelces prime probably wont ever happen again unless we reload with WR playmakers. Im hoping Hollywoods return makes a dent and LT is fixed by Humphries though for this year.

RunKC 12-16-2024 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17861622)
Now he runs forward into pressure and gets smoked.

That’s bc teams adjusted to not let him out of the pocket often. SF used that gameplan beautifully in the SB and it worked most of the game.

Mecca 12-16-2024 12:02 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes’s accuracy on the deep ball is like a 5th grader at the urinal.</p>&mdash; Carrington Harrison (@cdotharrison) <a href="https://twitter.com/cdotharrison/status/1868371283496386736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Otter 12-16-2024 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17861602)
What? Watch you whore mouth... 3 Superbowls.... ;)

Cautiously optimistic

-King- 12-16-2024 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17861549)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mahomes&#39; deep ball in 2022 vs 2024.<br><br>22 - Seems more decisive, fluid, w/ anticipation &amp; in rhythm.<br><br>24 - Uncertain, trying to place the ball, rushed, and &quot;see it, throw it&quot; <a href="https://t.co/ZnhxeMjSEi">pic.twitter.com/ZnhxeMjSEi</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1868701409941897325?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

On the Browns shot to Worthy...there's no way the drop back is actually designed like that in the playbook right? Open up left, turn and fake handoff to the right. Turn again to the left for some reason. Finally turn right to throw. No way that's the actual play design.

Hammock Parties 12-16-2024 12:10 PM

Actually I've seen that before. That's how it's designed. That actually looks fairly fluid, he just overcooked it. He overcooked it because he wants to err on the side of overthrowing because of Worthy's speed, and his latent yips from being picked.

Mecca 12-16-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17861660)
On the Browns shot to Worthy...there's no way the drop back is actually designed like that in the playbook right? Open up left, turn and fake handoff to the right. Turn again to the left for some reason. Finally turn right to throw. No way that's the actual play design.

No it's not, he's being incredibly jumpy in the pocket and not setting properly.

Mecca 12-16-2024 12:11 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Like that throw to Worthy... he turned like he was turning in a double play and short armed the throw w/o being even threatened by any pressure. Got zero drive and it just flew out the back of the EZ.</p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1868373214550016435?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RunKC 12-16-2024 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17861579)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also kinda funny... of the Chiefs ~35 throws over 20 yards, 16 have been to Worthy.</p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1868701870702895199?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Look at the Broncos miss at :55

He saw the LT appear to be beating the LT again and it sped him up. Look at his footwork. Rushed. No anticipation and poor footwork.

That’s what happens when your QB gets knocked to the ground all game

O.city 12-16-2024 12:40 PM

Man....so is it ever the high paid QB that's gonna have to figure it out or are we always on the LT or the WRs or the coaches?

Mecca 12-16-2024 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17861753)
Man....so is it ever the high paid QB that's gonna have to figure it out or are we always on the LT or the WRs or the coaches?

It's kinda frustrating because with the amount of money he makes he is gonna have to cover some of the holes his contract causes.

If he legit needs to have 5 outstanding linemen and high end weapons then he can't be paid like that.

RunKC 12-16-2024 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17861758)
It's kinda frustrating because with the amount of money he makes he is gonna have to cover some of the holes his contract causes.

If he legit needs to have 5 outstanding linemen and high end weapons then he can't be paid like that.

It’s as bad as it’s ever been and Mahomes is still being Mahomes when it matters.

7 game winning drives. He’s still Mahomes in the clutch

kgrund 12-16-2024 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17861758)
It's kinda frustrating because with the amount of money he makes he is gonna have to cover some of the holes his contract causes.

If he legit needs to have 5 outstanding linemen and high end weapons then he can't be paid like that.

I love Mahomes as much as the next guy, but I think this upcoming offseason, Mahomes needs to focus on getting some things cleaned up with his game. I know he spends considerable time with his flexibility and throwing to his guys offseason, but has he spent anytime with a QB guru in the offseason. Someone that can get him to focus on his mechanics that gives him a base to go back to when he is struggling like now. Even Peyton Manning, who was as fundamentally sound as any QB that has played, spent considerable time with guys to work on his throwing mechanics. Now seems like the time for Mahomes to seek a new outside eye to help him clean up his game going forward and getting back to where he has been for most of his career.

Bearcat 12-16-2024 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17861775)
It’s as bad as it’s ever been and Mahomes is still being Mahomes when it matters.

7 game winning drives. He’s still Mahomes in the clutch

Yeah, until he stops winning Super Bowls (and more realistically, falling shorter than OT of a playoff game multiple times), not going to extrapolate beyond needing to get his head on straight here in a few weeks (which of course we're all assuming anyway).


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