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RunKC 03-19-2025 01:12 PM

It’s incredible seeing these talking points when the personnel issues limiting playcalling were as clear as ever before as well as the QB missing wide open Worthy deep all year long.

It’s like someone walking outside and saying the sky is red.

There’s a reason the offense was composed of short passes. Bc the personnel outside of Worthy was ****ing horrific 90% of the season.

MahomesMagic 03-19-2025 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18003353)
There were shots to be taken that weren't all game long. Opportunities missed.

The o-line in particular was bad, but there were guys open down field quite often.

Just a bad day to have a bad game.

Have you watched any QB videos where they covered the SB?


Universally people who know the NFL way better than you or me said Mahomes was not good but that the scheme and game plan was AWFUL.

MahomesMagic 03-19-2025 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 18003366)
No, I get it. The play calling isn't always great. It looked good against Buffalo but struggled against the better defenses like Houston and Philadelphia. The complete lack of a run game makes it harder unless you have Hill/Watkins/prime Kelce as your targets with good tackles blocking to boot.

The Eagles let up in the 4th quarter, otherwise the garbage points wouldn't have been scored. I mean, it's hard to concentrate when you're up 34-0 and know you're about to win a SB.

Buffalo is our get out of jail free card.


Their defense is so shitty we could run anything on them and it would work.

Houston and Philly made us look awful on offense even with wide receivers that were good enough.

RunKC 03-19-2025 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18003353)
There were shots to be taken that weren't all game long. Opportunities missed.

The o-line in particular was bad, but there were guys open down field quite often.

Just a bad day to have a bad game.

The OL giving up historic amount of pressure with no blitzing ruined everything.

It’s insane that people blame any coach and bitch that we had to throw short passes. The OL got Mahomes killed a lot the last 2 years.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All 18 plays where Raiders Had Pressure vs Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs<br><br>Charting:<br>Wanya Morris had 5 Quick Losses; 3 Late Losses for Pressures allowed<br>Jawaan Taylor had 1 Quick Loss (to Crosby); 5 Late Losses (4 to Maxx)<br>Blitz/Other OL had 6 pressures allowed (1 by LT Thuney) <a href="https://t.co/vj46XdZ6fN">pic.twitter.com/vj46XdZ6fN</a></p>&mdash; DMac Wake (@DMacWake316) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMacWake316/status/1862898327508972011?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

People want to go bombs away but won’t accept the playcalling for that can’t happen bc the LT gets Mahomes killed before the play can develop.

Gary Cooper 03-19-2025 01:29 PM

We know the O-line doesn't allow for deep passes. The question is, why is the coaching staff not doing a better job of creating other routes that can actually work?

The SB gameplan was devoid of ideas. Not enough screen passes, RPO, slants, etc. Too many routes that never had a chance because of pass protection. It's like the coaching staff wanted to run what they wanted and dared Thuney/Caliendo to block their man.

htismaqe 03-19-2025 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 18003322)
You think our offensive play calling has been good the last two years?!

Just watch other NFL games like Coen last year with Tampa and Baker. Baker is a good QB but he ain’t Mahomes. Just easy wins over and over.

Our offense hasn’t done this since Nagy arrived.

The SB everyone including Mahomes sucked.

But the play calling wasn’t good. Philly knew our plays better than we did.


We need a reboot.

Then fire Andy. He is the offense. Simple as that.

htismaqe 03-19-2025 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 18003371)
Have you watched any QB videos where they covered the SB?


Universally people who know the NFL way better than you or me said Mahomes was not good but that the scheme and game plan was AWFUL.

The scheme and play calling starts and stops with Andy. How long do you want to beat this dead horse and how far are you willing to take it?

MahomesMagic 03-19-2025 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 18003411)
Then fire Andy. He is the offense. Simple as that.

It is Andy ultimately.


My personal theory is that he has delegated a lot more to Nagy than people realize but if he hasn't, then Andy has lost his fastball.


Our offensive play calling and game prep is no longer an advantage.



Andy is close to retirement. My hope is he has one last push to reinvent the offense before he exits.

RunKC 03-19-2025 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 18003405)
We know the O-line doesn't allow for deep passes. The question is, why is the coaching staff not doing a better job of creating other routes that can actually work?

The SB gameplan was devoid of ideas. Not enough screen passes, RPO, slants, etc. Too many routes that never had a chance because of pass protection. It's like the coaching staff wanted to run what they wanted and dared Thuney/Caliendo to block their man.

Least explosive RB room in the league. Only 17 explosive plays of 10+ yards all year.

Hopkins is washed and can’t separate. Kareem is washed and can’t turn a 2 yard run into 10+, Kelce is washed and isn’t explosive anymore, Justin Watson isn’t explosive and can only run deep or corner routes.

Look at what Rashee gave this offense before he got hurt compared to what Juju/Hopkins and Watson gave us after?

We need more speed. Andy runs the WCO and it relies on speed and YAC. That’s why I firmly believe we are drafting a WR and RB with 2 of our first 3 picks next month

pugsnotdrugs19 03-19-2025 03:56 PM

Nick Wright said something interesting about Hopkins yesterday that sounded like it came from inside the building based on his wording

Said he was running his own routes and the staff started to feel like they couldn’t play him as much because it negatively impacted the offense too many times

Maybe there’s only room for one guy (Kelce) to get away with that stuff

RunKC 03-19-2025 08:20 PM

Andy needs to get back to what worked before. The offense was amazing because he had force multipliers in Tyreek, Kelce and Kareem.

Worthy is the new Tyreek, Rice was the new Kelce intermediate middle of the field chess piece before injury. Go get another big time weapon at RB.

People forget that even the 2018 offense struggled at times. They leaned on Kareem and he put the team on his back through stretches. Mahomes didn’t have this the last 2 years.

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We ran the ball only 16.5X/game with Kareem that year but each of those runs were respected bc they knew Kareem could bust a long run at any time. We need that back. Badly

MahomesMagic 03-19-2025 08:58 PM

I would love Andy to call Frank Reich in as an offensive assistant.


Reich/ Pederson (Reid offense)

made Carson Wentz play at an MVP level. When Reich left Philly Pederson's offense went to shit.


Reid's 2022 reboot seemed to borrow a bunch of Reich concepts. Why not bring in Reich himself to get some juice going into this offense?

RunKC 03-24-2025 08:35 AM

1. Chiefs
2. Bills
3. Ravens
4. Texans
5. Chargers
6. Steelers (with Rodgers)
7. Broncos
8. Bengals
9. Patriots
10. Raiders
11. Dolphins
12. Colts
13. Jags
14. Titans (assuming they draft Ward)
15. Jets
16. Browns

Yeah that sounds about right

smithandrew051 03-24-2025 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18008314)
1. Chiefs
2. Bills
3. Ravens
4. Texans
5. Chargers
6. Steelers (with Rodgers)
7. Broncos
8. Bengals
9. Patriots
10. Raiders
11. Dolphins
12. Colts
13. Jags
14. Titans (assuming they draft Ward)
15. Jets
16. Browns

Yeah that sounds about right

Mostly agree

I’m probably higher on the Broncos and lower on the Chargers.

Top 3 should always be as you have it until one of these other teams kicks the door down. Every other team needs to prove it before being anointed.

htismaqe 03-24-2025 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18003876)
Andy needs to get back to what worked before. The offense was amazing because he had force multipliers in Tyreek, Kelce and Kareem.

Worthy is the new Tyreek, Rice was the new Kelce intermediate middle of the field chess piece before injury. Go get another big time weapon at RB.

People forget that even the 2018 offense struggled at times. They leaned on Kareem and he put the team on his back through stretches. Mahomes didn’t have this the last 2 years.

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We ran the ball only 16.5X/game with Kareem that year but each of those runs were respected bc they knew Kareem could bust a long run at any time. We need that back. Badly

Yep, I've been saying this for months. Kareem has as many games with less than 10 carries as he did games with more than 20. Even with him, we didn't run the ball consistently. But they made every rush count. That's what we need now more than ever.


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