Oh yeah, and if you're a RHP, just drill Rasmus and take your chances.

He's presently sporting an OPS of over 1.200. He's 0-11 with 7 Ks against LHP. So he's putting up an OPS of a shade over 1.600 againt RHP.

If you throw like a normal person, do NOT pitch him inside. I'd also recommend not pitching him down either. Try hard stuff up and away and if you must change his eye-angle, make sure any breaking ball you throw us buried in the dirt. If you're going to come inside, it needs to be at least 6 inches off the plate and again, should probably be in the dirt.

If Albert wants to get paid better than A-Rod, he's going to have to go to Boston to get it.

Look - you cannot compare what Yankees players make to what the rest of baseball makes. There is a Yankee premium that any other team in baseball simply cannot afford to match.

Albert at 7 and $160 is fair for all parties. Howard's annual value is higher, but if anyone thinks he'll be getting $35 million in years 6 and 7 of whatever deal he signs after that one, they're crazy. Those 2 extra years at $23 million/per make a major difference.

Yeah, he could probably get more if he goes to Boston, but there's never been a question that the Cardinals couldn't afford to keep him if he went for the last nickle.

We shall see.

I still can't really see a 10 year contract at very large annual salaries being out these days by a team. Not even sure if the Sox we be in for something like 10 for $300M.

Still is is pretty likely that he will top the annual value of A-Rod's deal.

Yes, I don't see a $300 million contract but something like $26 million a year for 7-8 years and $180 million total.

Something under 180M for 7 or 8 years would be very nice. That is basically the Teixeria contract which hurts a little as a benchmark but it was given during an offseason where the Yankees were in full FA spend mode. Fortunately, Tex should keep the Yankees far away from Pujols unless Tex has a significant injury or they are somehow able to offload his contract without eating much.

Agreed 100%

Best player in baseball

I'm probably talking out of my azz here, again...But the $$$ to sign #5 will be
almost impossable to our ownership group. What if the ownership group
worked some package that gave Albert a certain percentage of the ownership of the team ? Albert must have all the $$$ he could ever want or
dream of already (almost). I currently don't know what the value of the Cardinals are, Millions/Billions/Buehller/ anyone ?

Would this type of contract be unprecidented in todays sports world ? Probably, but a talent like #5 doesn't come around that often.

It could set the sports world on its head.

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Am I smoking crack here ?

It would show to ALbert that he is one of the chosen people of STL. He would/could be at all the home openers and he would then take the place of Stan the Man once Stan passes on...Albert would then be the rock of STL. much like Stan the man has been for the last few DECADES.

It wouldn't be unprecedented; the Penguins did it with Lemieux about a decade ago and it's probably the reason KC doesn't have a Stanley Cup contender at the Sprint Center right now.

It would, however, be against the CBA if my memory serves. I don't believe teams are allowed to offer ownership in the club as compensation under the terms of the current collective bargaining agreement.

Ultimately it will probably come down to the Cardinals going to Albert with their budget. "Albert, we can give you 7 years @ $28 million per. However, that puts our payroll at about $120 million and we can really only carry $110 million. So we'll gladly give you that figure, but remember that Yadi comes due for an extension soon, Wainwright comes due, Skip comes due and we already had to let Ludwick skate to afford even this much. The ball's in your court"

It may be blind faith in AP here, but I believe that if you approach him with a concession that you'll pay whatever you need to keep him here (addressing the ego and 'respect' arguments), but that it will come at the expense of his ultimate pursuit - championships - that he'll ultimately take a fair amount less to sign.

We shall see.

Don't hold me to this but.....I read about this at one point when Pujols contract talks came up. I think there is some rule about deferred payment or promise of payment after retirement. I think there is a limit on how much can be deferred. Say a million or two at the most.

I also think their is a rule about players playing on teams that they own? Some rule from the connie mack era or something.

Jason Stark was on Petro this afternoon saying its going to take $30 million a year to sign Pujols in St. Louis and more than that if he goes elsewhere.

If there is a rule on deferred compensation, it's Bobby Bonilla's fault.

The Mets are paying that guy something like $2 million/season for another decade or so because of that awful contract they gave him in the mid 90's.

Stark also has very little insight on baseball away from the east coast.

Look through his archives, it's amazing how little he actually knows about flyover country baseball. He's not Jon Heyman or anything (who is nothing but a Boras mouthpiece), but he's consistently wrong about almost everything away from the handful of big market clubs he seems to have sources with.

I don't trust anything Stark says if it's not Philly, NY, Bos or occasionally LA related. He just doesn't seem to have any connections outside of those organizations.

Realistically we are not the Yankees and can't keep all that talent. We have more talent on ourr team now than we can afford because we signed them to long term deals eariler in their career. see Pujols, Yadi, Waino etc.

I don't think you go to Albert and say we can't win unless you take less money. But its an obvious fact we can't pay Yankee money and keep him either.

Surely someone knows the rule for sure? anyone? Bueller...Bueller...

He's not stupid.

Albert knows we can't win unless he takes less money. At least by offering him a blank check with that caveat, they've assuaged his ego and put the ball in his court. If the Cardinals give AP $30 million/season for his decline years, you can say adios to contending for any championships until after he retires. They simply cannot afford to spend that kind of money on a single player, especially when that player plays the most easily replaceable position on the diamond and the $$ you're paying him is for what he has done not what he will do.

NYY can do it, Boston, LA, NYM, Philly -- those guys can get away with that. STL cannot and Albert knows it.

Sure, if he demands it, they'll almost have to pay it. But at that point, he's cut his own throat because what leverage does Albert have to get the Cards to pay up on additional players? Ownership has it's new stadium, Albert's signed long-term and the Cardinals have their drawing card. They're not going to spend $150 million to build a winner around him. They'll let Yadi and WW, etc... walk. If he bitches about it, they can simply point out that they're a mid-market team with the highest paid player in the game and the economics don't lie. And the fans will side with ownership there; it's a blue collar town that won't take kindly to their superstar complaining about something he could've easily done something about.

Whereas if he takes less and they try to skimp on surrounding talent, he'll be able to go to the media, fans, etc... and make ownership the bad guy. "I took less because they told me they'd build a winner - now look at what they're doing..." That will absolutely sell in STL because, as odd as it would seem, by taking less money to win games, Albert becomes a working class hero.

I believe Albert knows the score here and he'll take less to win ballgames.

Short of Albert being convicted of child molestation no one in st. Louis will take ownership's side over Albert. Albert is the inheritor of the Stan the Man icon of St. Louis. Stan didn't look so good this opening day. He's not going to be around forever. They have much more deeper feeling for Albert than just as a ball player who hits a ball. He's this generations Stan the Man, to see him in another uniform would be sacrilgious.

Wait until he takes $30 million and complains that he can't win ballgames while his production declines.

Sure, fans will save the vitriole that would've been directed at Tino Martinez. But when Albert's putting up an OPS in the high 9s and the ballclub is paying him like he's producing at MVP levels, the fans aren't going to have much patience for his complaining. They won't boo him, but they won't put any pressure on ownership either. They'll shrug and they'll move along.

Musial is an icon in St. Louis because of who his was more than what he was. He isn't beloved because he hit the ball far and frequently, he's beloved because he was humble, gracious and unassuming. If Albert chases the last nickle then begins attempting to dictate the direction of the Cardinals while ignoring his own role in whatever predicament they may be facing, the fans will have none of it.

I suppose I was unclear in my terminology. The fans won't take 'ownerships' side, they'll take the Cardinals side. Yeah, they love Albert now. But they loved Ozzie before him. They loved Boyer and Carlton and Brock and Gibson before that. St. Louis loved the Cardinals well before Albert Pujols was here. The city will always put the Cardinals ahead of a player, any player. And if they don't feel that the proper respect is being paid to the Cardinals, they won't stand for it.

Then thats the way it will be. I got to share/see a World Championship won live with my son. He's a 5th generation fan. He does appreciate and respect Gibson, Brock and Stan the Man and our history but Albert is his player, the one he is emotionally attached too. To see Albert leave because of money would be totally the wrong thing to allow to happen to a whole generation of fans.

We have had a nice run. Playoffs almost every year. We haven't been swept in a series for over 9 years. We have had the undeniably best team in baseball several times. We have been to 2 WS and won one. We still have 2 years left in this window of oppertunity. Having Albert play like a $10-$15 million player at the end of a $30 million contract is worth it to have him finish his career as a Cardinal.

side note:
I like how last nights ump changed the zone in the middle of the game, we were vitually robbed last night by the red birds, Thanks shitty ump.




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Looks like Mo made a good deal again giving up Wallace for Holliday. From STLouistoday.com

So, remember Brett Wallace, the “soon-to-be” phenom that the Cards packaged in their deal to bring Matt Holliday to St. Louis last summer (that some people were upset about)? Well, he’s now playing for the Las Vegas 51s, the Triple-A affiliate of the Toronto Blue Jays. Why did Oakland trade him? He hit .302 for Sacramento of the Pacific Coast League. Was it because he struck out 40 times in 182 at bats, or his 19 errors in 312 chances last year? Maybe they wanted someone with a better HR ratio; 9 in 182 AB, ok, how about his .365 OBP??
What did the Cardinals know or Oakland find out that they would deal him to Toronto on Dec 16, 2009 for OF Michael Taylor? Michael Taylor was drafted by the Phillies in the 5th round in the 2007 June Amateur Draft. Currently, for Sacramento, Taylor is batting .246, has 1 HR, has struck out 12 times in 57 at bats and has 3 SBs. He batted .282 last year in 110 ABs with 15 HRs in AAA (hardly a “superstar”). What’s the scoop?

There’s a lot to the question, and thus there’s a lot to the answer. Brett Wallace is the kind of upside hitter that could get the deal for Holliday done, and as we wrote at the time the Cardinals were one of the few teams — if not only team — that could meet Billy Beane’s price for Holliday. Simply, he saw Holliday as a Type A free agent and wanted a first-round pick and a sandwich-round pick in exchange for him — because that’s what the A’s would be giving up from the 2011 draft. The Cardinals gave him that, in Wallace and pitcher Clayton Mortensen.

What the A’s saw and what the Cardinals determined was that Wallace is not going to play much, if any, at third base in the majors. He’s just not advanced enough at the position. He’s a hitter. That’s his future. That’s his position. That didn’t change the A’s view of his potential. According to several votes, Oakland chose between infielder Jemile Weeks (Rickie’s brother) at 12th overall in 2008 and Wallace, who went 13th. What did change was the A’s chance to get involved in the Roy Halladay trade and land a prospect coveted by Beane: Taylor. The outfielder hit 39 home runs the past two seasons, and he’s widely viewed as toolsy, power-potential athlete. He’s also hulking, at 6-foot-6 and 250 pounds. Though we know the A’s aren’t selling jeans.

Saw that articile on Brett Wallace too......now, I hope Matt Holiday starts hitting in the clutch soon. I don't have any stats right now to back this up, but it seems to me the best he has played in Cardinal uniform so far was his first two weeks as a Cardinal last summer !!!

interesting...
http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzon...ctivate-larue/


ST. LOUIS — The St. Louis Cardinals have signed switch-hitting infielder Aaron Miles to a minor-league contract and sent him to Florida where he’ll work with the team’s extended spring training teams. Miles was released by the Cincinnati Reds.

He spent three seasons with the Cardinals before leaving as a free agent, and he was a starting second baseman for the team’s 2006 World Series team.

Miles, 33, remains a favorite of manager Tony La Russa, dating back to his turn as the team’s utility infielder. Each year he would start on the bench, and each season Miles would merit more playing time until emerging as the de facto starter at second base. He also filled in at shortstop when David Eckstein was injured.

The signing comes at an interesting time as the Cardinals are unsure of the availability of Felipe Lopez and the struggling offensive performance from shortstop Brendan Ryan. Lopez is on the disabled list with a strained ligament in his right elbow, and it will be two weeks before it’s determined if he can begin a throwing program at that time. Ryan and second baseman Skip Schumaker have both scuffled offensively so far this season, and Ryan is a profound funk.

The backup for their spots is prospect Tyler Greene, who disappointed in spring.

Miles served in that utility role and second base spot during his previous stint as a Cardinal.

Miles left the Cardinals after the 2008 season to sign with the Chicago Cubs.

He’s been with other teams since, shuttling from Oakland to Cincinnati. He was the last player cut from the Reds’ roster at the end of spring training this season.

Miles hit .289 as a Cardinal, and he batted a career-high .317 in 2008.

The club also moved backup catcher Jason LaRue from the disabled list to the active roster for tonight’s game against Atlanta. The Cardinals optioned Bryan Anderson to Class AAA Memphis.

Miles was horrible when he played for the Cubs. If he could get back to his '06 form I'd love to have him back, but that's a pretty big "if."

lots of water under that bridge.
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Another great night of management by ****tard LaRussa. Has burned through almost the entire bullpen with a 1 run lead in the 8th inning. :shake:

Insurance against Lopez having a long term issue?

Just popping in to see how a real MLB franchise is doing. Are things alright? Do the Cards have a bullpen ERA under 25.00? Does Wainwright have a single win to his name?

And then Motte comes in an throws 6 straight balls. But hey he got the job done.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than smart.

But I'll take it. My Braves fan wife is annoyed. :D

I had no problem with it.

Starting the inning with Hawk was the right decision. Carpenter just hasn't looked right and he needed to battle a little to get through the 6th. Get him out there with a lead and a low pitch count. We need Carp pitching to form and if you can get him an easy start and a chance for the W, you do it.

Hawksworth ran into some bad luck, made a bad throw, it just wasn't his night so you go to the LOOGY.

Reyes came in and got his single lefty. Reyes isn't great against righties and Boggs has hard enough stuff that had he just thrown strikes, Glaus and his slider speed bat weren't going to hit him. Dan and Al were saying they should just walk Glaus and have Reyes face Heyward, but that's walking the lead run into scoring position; never smart. Besides, anytime you can do the opposite of what Al says to do, you do it.

Once Boggs ****ed up and walked Glaus, Heyward came to the plate with the bases loaded and the game on the line. There's no way you leave Boggs in to face Heyward with the stakes that high. You go to your best lefty to lock down that out.

That's exactly what Miller did.

What would you have done differently? I'll blister LaRussa's ass as quickly as anyone, but he was managing to win that game and did exactly what I'd have done, pitcher for pitcher, AB for AB.

yeah sucks for you guys and it doesn't have to be that way.

All of our roster is trades or draft players. We did sign Holliday to a big money contract but he came via trade. It could happen for you guys with better drafting and development. It seems your players never develop correctly, maybe you rush your prospects?

But you guys as fans defintely deserve a winning team. :clap:

Hey, in hindsight it was fine. But one run crosses and we're maybe going into another extra inning game with no bullpen. I really don't want to see Mather pitching again, do you?

We need Miles for long relief so that we don't have to go to Mather again.

Yeah, but that's that 'managing to win tomorrow' crap that LaRussa too often gets into. How 'bout you just put your guys in the best position to keep that run from scoring and not worry about it? That's exactly what he did.

Over-managing would've been to leave Reyes out there to walk the bases loaded so he can face Heyward (with Reyes' notoriously spotty command and Heyward's excellent plate discipline). Over-managing would've been putting your team in a worse position in real-time in order to plan against the contingency of an extra inning game. Franklin wasn't available, had it gone extras we were probably boned anyway. He knew we had a short bullpen and knew that we needed to win this thing in regulation. He managed with a sense of urgency I rarely see from LaRussa in a regular season game and I loved it.

All LaRussa can do is put his guys in the best position to win the game and that's exactly what he did. No hindsight to it - had it gone to extras, I'd have defended his use there as well.

The best way to manage extra innings is to stay out of them. The moves he made were expressly designed to do just that.

Like I said - what would you have done?

Now we got Franklin and McCllean tommorrow to help out Garcia. :clap:

And everyone that threw in the 7th will be available tomorrow as well. Hawk barely broke a sweat, Boggs only faced a single batter.

LaRussa approached this game aggressively and in a manner that actually set us up even better for tomorrow.

I have no idea how anyone can complain about how he handled that 7th inning. It's a gut reaction to see him go to the parade of 1000 relievers and assume he's just overmanaging, but he didn't do that at all in this instance.

He really did a great job tonight, IMO.

Jason Motte looks like he could be offspring from the "Bushwhackers" from the all-star wrestleing era !!!

I only got to see the last 3 innings last night. Motte looked dazed and confused like he usually does. His constant girations on the mound after each pitch makes him look goofy as hell (see above post). But he did get the job done, barely. TLR and Duncam must see something in him other than a mid 90's fast ball. That must be enough.

Yadi comes through with another clutch hit. A few more of those and he'll start being called that. Holiday is starting to get me upset.

Our strating pitching is really something special fellas. The addition of a healthy Brad Penny with Waino and Carpenter is lights out. Add a crafty lefty Garcia to the mix and wev'e got 4 starters. Lohse is still trying to get dialed in - he should be our 5th starter at this point. We've seen enough of our starting pitching to unserstand what we have and don't have.

Is Brendan Ryan another 10 k's away from being sent down to get his swing back ?

It worked out but I woudl have sent Carp out to at least start the 7th. He couldn't have done much worse than Hawksworth.

I do NOT prescribe to the one pitcher, one out method in close games. I understand the lefty-righty matchup thing, but still, in a tight game he shouldn't burn through the bullpen like that. I'm sorry if I'm raining on your I HEART LARUSSA parade, but I thought he managed like a fool last night and we were lucky to get the win.

I agree. I think the Braves are going to be a good team this year. Its just a rough patch right now.

I'll take that over ... being October laughing stock on Leno, Letterman, etc.

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That was just plain stupid.

uuuuhhh its the onion. Thats what they do.

Spare me that bullshit. I have attacked LaRussa as much or more than anyone in this thread.

You got caught talking out your ass with no real justification for it.

Either present what you'd have done or shut the **** up.

That's the only viable alternative LaRussa really had. Though I will again point out that Hawk hadn't given up a run thus far this season and really didn't look bad out there. His stuff was sharp, he just didn't get any breaks. Some nights the bear eats you...

But the problem with leaving Carpenter in was that Carp really was looking gassed. He'd been working with marginal stuff all night, he was having to really reach back for his pitches most of the evening. His balance still isn't right and he'd spent 6 innings laboring. At 89 pitches, even a clean inning puts him over 100 in a night where he was never cruising by any means.

That's why I don't trust pitch counts as a raw figure. The 89 pitches he threw tonight were harder than some of the 115 pitch CGs he's had in the past. They were harder than any 89 pitches Penny or WW have thrown this season. They were just taxing pitches and with the lead and a chance to get your staff leader a bit of a breather, taking him out was the smart move.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were Tony's girlfriend.

Be sure to dissect the next game after it's over and then declare both yourself and LaRussa geniouses.

Dick.

What. Would. You. Have. Done?

Pussy

I WOULD NOT HAVE USED A PITCHER PER OUT IN THE LATE INNINGS OF A ONE RUN GAME, YOU STUPID MOTHER****ER.

Shall I scan that in with a crayon for you?

What the **** is your problem? Did you not get a reach around last night?

So you leave Hawk in after 2 runs were already in and runners were at 1st and 3rd with one down?

Or do you leave Reyes in to walk the lead run into scoring position after retiring his lefty so he can face Heyward with the bases loaded?

Or leave an erratic, righthanded Boggs in to face Heyward with the bases loaded?

This game actually happened, numbnuts. You don't get to deal in abstracts.

You were talking out of your ass. You have no solutions, only bitching.

I made my post WHILE THE GAME WAS GOING ON, not after it was over, jerkoff. Kind of hard to deal in absolutes before the thing's resolved. But it's really easy to pump up after the game's over, belch back the moves that happened and then say HA THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE!! GEE AREN'T I SMART. Nice work, Kreskin. Can I have last night's winning lottery numbers?

Yeah, I have a real history of declaring myself brilliant in hindsight.

Besides, you now have the benefit of hindsight which should make things really easy for you. Additionally, all moves can be examined independantly of their results pretty easily.

Q: Hawk had already given up 2 runs, runners were at 1st and 3rd with 1 down and our 3 run lead now at 1. STOP -- What would you have done there?

A: (convenient place for you to actually respond with substance)

Q: Assuming you weren't braindead, you wouldn't have left Hawk in there as he was clearly struggling and we needed an easy out to keep the runner at 3b. So you would presumably have gone to a LOOGY. The LOOGY did his job and retired the runner. There are now 2 outs, runners at 1st and 3rd, and a RH hitter up. STOP -- What would you have done at this point? Why?

A: (Yet another convenient place for you to ignore reality and dodge the point)

Q: From there it's hard to say what would've happened, but leaving Reyes in to walk the bases full would've been obscenely stupid. He could've gone to McClellan, but McClellan's primary breaking ball is a curveball, which Glaus could easily deposit if McClellan missed with it; leaving Mac very little margin for error (remembering that Mac sometimes struggles with his breaker, especially early on in his appearances). Meanwhile, Boggs has much more of a power arsenal, which is exactly what Glaus struggles with. (see, this is substantive reasoning, you should try it). STOP -- What righty reliever would you have gone with here?

A: (This should be easy because you now have the perfect hindsight to explain why you think Boggs was a bad decision, though I will point out that you didn't post anything prior to LaRussa making the moves, but after he "Burned through almost his entire bullpen". In real time, you had no problem with any of the people he called in from the 'pen. That is also 'hindsight' sweetheart.

Q: Presuming that the inning continued to Heyward; do you leave a righty in to face him with the game on the line, or do you go to the other LOOGY?

A: (Dunno why I'm typing this, you're just going to say something vapid, obtuse and likely completely irrelevant).

Additional Comments: (Now I'll leave you to explain why your moves here were perfect whereas LaRussa was being a ****tard.)

I'm at work, Hootie. Some of us have jobs. I don't have time to pour over what I would or wouldn't have done in a baseball game that's over.

But I'll tell you what. I'll wait until AFTER tonight's game is over, then I'll break down all the correct/incorrect moves for you, declare that everything that worked or didn't work was exactly what I would or wouldn't have done, and then throw out my shoulder patting myself in the back for being so ****ing smart.

GENIOUS, I TELL YOU! :whackit:

That's about what I figured.

Scurry along now, you have nothing to say.

Yes, I'll drop everything to debate a moot point with an internet troll who thinks he the greatest baseball mind in cyberspace.

Or not.

Yet you keep finding the time to come back and post drivel. And another 60K posts in to boot. Spare me that garbage, you've found plenty of time to burn on the Planet.

You've been given the scenarios. You know the batters, you know the available pitchers; you know the score and the frame.

It'll take you as much time to provide an answer to the questions as it would to dodge the point...again.

But the problem is that this would require you have an answer to give.

Aye, there's the rub...

It's okay for you to tuck tail here. Sometimes it's best to just recognize that you've had your ass handed to you and walk away.

HAHA! Neg rep; the last bastion of the defeated.

Just take your ball and go home.

Pussy.

DJ is hootie?

You go, girl. Care to declare yourself the winner of anything else? ROFL

I didn't think so until today, but ****, he must be. How the hell did I miss this guy being such a complete douche?

No, he's whining because he has nothing to say. Pretty standard Ad Hominem in lieu of a substantive discussion.

Wait, I thought you had a job and couldn't spend anymore time here?

You've certainly acquitted yourself nicely in this thread.

ROFL

Yes, I suck because I won't debate a moot point over a game with some lifeless stats geek who poured over everything that happened AFTER the game was over.

Declare yourself the winner again, Ms. Monday Morning Quarterback, or whatever the baseball equivalent of that sorry-assed title is.

BTW, mom wants the basement cleaned before she gets home from work. It's already after 4:00, you'd better get busy.

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Truly spectacular. Breaking out "Mom's basement" was a nice touch.

It's always nice when I can accuse you of resorting to ad-hominems because you have nothing to add only to have to take it to an even higher level within the next 1/2 dozen posts.

You have come across as a clearly superior mind in this thread.

Bravo.

HE'S STILL WINNING!!!!! Just ask him. I'm sure he'll be a real stallion with Rosie later.

I never knew either. Oh well. :shrug:

It's pretty unusual in here for sure. Larussa micro managing can wear us down at times but you can't argue with the historical results....

I have major political differences with many of the Cardinal fans in here but we pretty much agree on the Cardinal issues so we get along in here. We cardinal fans tend to bitch about the same thing because what is the issue and needs fixing is usually pretty obvious.

BTW, you know Frazod's wife is a Braves fan?

As it turns out, Frazod is one of my 3 CP friends.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...0Friends03.jpg

Well what can I say? Fundamentally they're sound. It's really odd how similar ATL and STL clubs are this yr. Seem to have the same short comings. we'll see. and yes I knew that. He was supposed to call me when he came to town, do you think he did? .... lol

I sent you a friend request, you all are both good posters, learn to love your brothers, heck you're both Card fans which is saying something on a football forum. lol

Eh, Garcia will hang a breaker, this will move off the active page and I'm guessing the world will continue spinning.

As best I can tell, I've never disagreed with Frazod on any topic on this board, be it College basketball, football or baseball. He's like Hamas if Hamas wasn't a damn hippy. Or maybe Frazod is the damn hippy, I don't remember. Eh, whatever.

I'm not too concerned. Mostly I just wanted to post the Kip Drody .gif. A good South Park reference is always worth the trouble.

I too was kind of surprised to see these two going at it over decisions made in a dame the Birds won. Seems like the fire may be dying though.

I have to laugh at Frazod and DJ. Good thing you guys don't really dislike each other. :)

Go Cards!

Freese and Colby break it open against the lefty

w00t!!