Goodbye first place. :(

At least they came back after being down large early and made it a game.

Die in a ****ing fire, Westbrook. 4321

Salas sucks ass also lately. He needs to be sent back down to AAA to sort things through.

Does he have options left?

I've never been high on him anyway. Flush the turd.

The cards just called up P Chuckie Fick from Memphis so I'm guessing someone got demoted. I hope its that instead of it bieng another injury.

We are going to have to wait until the trading deadline and the sellers can sell and not piss off their fans on giving up on the season.

I know Motte has his lights out moments, but I just cringe whenever he takes the mound. I'm always expecting something awful to happen.

When is Miller finally gonna be ready?

He won't be in the bullpen.

Its possible if he has his innings, he could come to the bullpen to get his feet wet. Don't forget Wainright started in the pen.

Miller still needs to mature as a person. Remember he has had some issues handling his alchol, got himself arrested last year having a meltdown in an apartment in Springfield. Waino was all grown up when he was thrust into the grinder.

He can be a Cy Young winner. He's going to be our #1 pitcher for 4-5 years at least. We shouldnt **** with that future.

The season doesn't end in May. Most here, myself included, thought they were out of it in August last year. The only thing you can say for sure is the Cubs are out of it.

Are you telling me that when September call-ups are in, they shouldn't get him into some games if the rotation is set? It will be much easier for him to face a few major league batters under controlled situations than to try to fit him into a starters slot if there are no injuries.

September call up is totally different than a May call up.

Nobody said he should be called up now.

Not here but pother boards. Just ticks me off. Didn;t they learn a damn thing from last year. We have to think long game, not just this year. We are not the Brewers or Reds hoping for a one year lightening strike. Put all the cards on the table. We get our bullpen fixed and everyone healthy we will be fine.

Yadi!

Dear Halladay,

Stay down, bitch.

Damn Adams is looking good. He's tore it up at every professional level since Slippery rock graduation. His swing doesn't look like a home run or strike out swing. Both Methany and McGuire think he's the real deal.

Presents a nice problem to have when Craig comes off the DL. I see Craig giving Beltran's knee some well deserved rest at first but then we are right back where we were before Berkman went down, 2 positions and 3 players you need to keep on the field. Good problem to have.

My only concern is they are trade bait at the trading deadline for bullpen help.

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Pitching still scares the crap out of me. I feared that the loss of Duncan would be the biggest blow we suffered, and that really seems to be the case. He was like Dr. Frankenstein, assembling dead pieces into an effective pitching monster. Now we've just got rotting parts. :(

I think the biggest problem with the pen is there just isn't any kind of defined role for anyone that isn't Motte. Salas and McClellan are both bills coming due for getting pitched hard last year.

Yeah, Duncan was the master. No way you replace a guy like that. But, the dude has spent him life on the road and his wife is sick, dying sick. I can understand his desire to be at his bedside. I heard on the STL radio is in in contact with Linquist and does give advise when asked.

Yet, we have a farm system that is producing talent. That wasnt happening during most of the Duncan era. Hopefully, that will help offset the loss.

But Duncan always had something of a hands-off approach with the bullpen, if you'll recall. And the SP isn't really hurting us at all right now.

Ultimately Liliquist did fantastic work with Motte, Salas, and Lynn last year when he got the call in Duncan's absence and was tasked with restoring order in the 'pen. I don't believe he's been at all responsible for the struggles of the BP thus far.

Ultimately he's simply working with some guys that are broken down from last year (Salas and McClellan), lousy in general (Romero) or mostly mediocre stop-gaps like Marte.

Boggs and his 2.08 ERA has looked better than he's ever looked before and Motte's looking solid; just getting unlucky (seriously, how the hell did the Soriano and Pence bombs get out of the park?). And for as much as Scrabble seems to get hit - is everyone aware that his WHIP is below 1.00? He's actually pitching well on balance; once again there have just been some poorly timed key hits that stick in our memory.

To tell you the truth, after seeing how well Lynne and Lohse have pitched this year, as well as the relative bounceback from Westbrook, I'm not convinced we've missed Duncan at all. Liliquist has done a very nice job with the guys that have had some raw materials to work with. You can't really fault him for not turning Victor Marte into a stud anymore than you could blame Duncan for not getting anything out of Batista. You can't blame Liliquist for McClellan anymore than you can Duncan for Franklin. But on the flipside, he's gotten more out of Lynne, Boggs and Motte than Duncan ever managed. He's a much better developer of power arms than Duncan was, IMO.

Anyone planning on hitting the Royals series next month at the K?

Tickets are cheap, but hotels are ****ing insane. The Westin Crown Center wants over 3 bills a night - I usually stay there during football season for under $100.

Debating on whether to stay way out of town, or hit Chicago again for the July series at Wrigley.

try priceline, put in 4 star+ downtown crown center/plaza areas and bid around 100 a night... never fails for me.

**** YOU DIE WESTBROOK 4321

When Carp gets back they better be sending Westbrook to the pen and not Lynn.

Christ I hope so.

Not one comment on the no hitter?

Speechless.

First no-hitter in 22 years? I'm fine with that, especially giving that it was Johan, not some scrub that normally throws these.

Let's get shutout again boys!!!!

Things have been straight up painful lately. I hate this, "get off to a decent start of the season, then begin pissing down your leg for an extensive period of time" thing that they seem to do frequently.

You won the World Series last year. **** off.

:)

Lol yeah, well we had to sift through some shit moments to get there. I did think about how spoiled of a brat I sounded like after posting that because of the WS.... the Cards have obviously been fun to root for these past few years, but have also been very frustrating at times. You are right though...can't take last year's awesome WS for granted...

Kinda nice when you are watching your team stink up the field to be reminded that your team just went to 3 world series in 7 years with 2 world championships. Thanks for the reminder. :thumb:

Injuries are killing us. But, if last season taught us anything............ it aint over till its over.

I do what I can for you guys.

Well at least it wasn't a shutout.

Is there any good reason for Craig to not be starting at 1B?

We need bats in the lineup and its only position Adams can play.

Bad baseball would be an understatement.

Can't wait to see it in person on Saturday against the Royals.

:rolleyes:

Yep. They're ****ing horrendous right now. Stinks just like '07.

At least they were thoughtful enough to win a championship last year. But much like last time, it sure would be nice if they even pretended like they cared about defending it.

They also stunk it up pretty bad for long periods of time last season. 40K in the stands on a Tuesday night watching the team play like dog shit tells me that the lessons learned from last season that its a long season and if you get hot at the end, good things happen.

When was the last time any Cards fan made that implication?

May be the first sweep of the Cardinals by the Royals evah.

Even with losing Garcia for the season and maybe forever, does anyone else starting to think the Reds not being able to put us away while we were in this huge long funk was a big mistake on their part?

We are 3 games out. They will be sorry........ :thumb:

Our....time

Excellent cross thread humor.:thumb:

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Herpty derp

Royal fans who come in here and take a dump get neg bombed. Why be a douche?

Yep.

Nice casual spam, dick.

YADI!!!!!

Didnt see this comeback coming, at all. Maybe they have turned a corner.

Puts him 1 ahead of Pujols for the year doesn't it? Nice numbers at the plate for Yadi over the past couple of years.

I have to admit that I am completely lost on the switch thing. Dad tried explaining it to me, too.

The idea is to not have your pitcher hitting. And what happened? pitcher batting with the bases loaded in extra innings. :rolleyes:

I still don't understand how he ended up having to also switch out first base, though.

Sweet!

Miami announcers are calling it the worse loss of the year in a year of bad losses.

Helluva comeback. Although Motte did his best to **** it up.

The other ones were obvious losses. They were up 6-0 going into the 7th inning. I have to say that this was one ugly win. Still, it's a win.

He make a mistake.

That's what I was confused on. Oh well, they'll definitely ask him about it in the post game interview.

at least he was throwing the cutter. He cant just throw the fastball and be successful.

Umpire made a mistake, not Matheny. Ump recorded it wrong.

So STL gave their lineup to the ump, who then told it to FL incorrectly? Teams don't give their lineups to the umps and to each other?

yep, ump is admitting the mistake.

Here is how the double switch works. Let's say you have an inning where the pitcher is coming up to bat. You can just do a pinch hitter and have a new pitcher come in the next inning, or you can double switch. Let's say your second baseman bats 8th. What you can do is have the guy pinch hitting for the pitcher play second base, thus switching spots in the batting order with the pitcher, so the pitcher will bat 8th (later on in the game) and the second baseman will bat 9th for the remainder of the game.

Eh, he got victimez a bit on the pitch to Sanchez.

Walking Ruggiano was pretty unacceptable, but he threw a great pitch that got Sanchez to hit a slow roller to SS...it just managed to sneak by. It happens.

Motte threw a great cutter to Sanchez that he didn't get the call on. If he throws that pitch with any regularity at all, he'll be just fine. And to be honest, he's thrown it quite a bit more since Butler.

I'll probably never be comfortable with him protecting a 1-run lead (his velocity turns flare singles into ringing doubles; it's the nature of power pitching), but he's the least of our concerns in that bullpen right now.

That was the type of game they had been finding ways to lose rather than win here recently. hopefully a good sign of getting back to the early season performances.

Always nice to beat those fairweather undeserving of 2 title SOBs

This could be the type comeback that fuels a big run. Cardinals only 2 games out despite going 15-24 after getting to a season high watermark of 20-11. They have now won 4 in a row which they hadn't done since May 9, the same date they went 20-11.

BUMP FOR 5TH STRAIGHT WIN!!!:clap:

GEEEZZZ 3 World Series in 7 years and 2 World Championships aint enough for ya? We cant win it every year.

So, do we pursue any trade deadline pitching?


Make a big splash or just patchwork?

yeah, they will make a trade. I hope its not for Miller/Martinez/Jackson. We need that young pitching Taveras is off the board too.

Its going to have to be Craig or Adams. But, who wants to trade those two?

Now, that leaves Wong? Who plays 2B in the future?

I say forget emptying the minors for a run. No need to mortgage the future the year after a World Championship.