He saw a lot of himself in that performance...
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Actually watch frame by frame of the replay from behind the play. At first I thought Johnson had his arm around Coppers waist, which is PI, but he actually has Coppers left elbow it seems, pinning his left arm to his body. If he doesn't get his arm around Copper, he'd never be able to put himself into position to bat the ball.

Why dont you shut the hell up and go see your boyfriend.

Is there a reason you're posting gifs on AP and not on here GoChiefs?

Jeff Fisher dick sucking. I think the most repeated quote every preseason in local booths is after the home team struggles and they give the old "well how many years in a row did the Colts not win a preseason game?"

Allen Bailey has been terrible. I watched him quite a bit. He has definately hit the sophmore slump and it seems like his motor is gone. Maybe last year went to his head? Let's hope he gets it together.

Geez, look how much different he is when he's not trolling.

The last gif is the best.

Say whatever you want, but I watched Moeaki during his entire rookie year, and the guy was DOMINANT as a run-blocker. One lousy preseason game isn't changing that in my view. Not that Boss won't be productive in 2 TE sets, which the league is turning into.

2-TE sets have always been a powerful formation. I go back to when we had Jason Dunn as a #2. We raped in 2-TE sets. If both TE's can block and catch then you really do have one of the most powerful formations in your favor. The QB can change the play to either side of the field without having to motion or do anything to give it away to defense and allowing them to adjust except who may have to move off the LoS and in this case it could be a WR.

BlackBob is a ****ing moron....JFC.

Totally.

Its rare to see that much consistent fail from one poster.

The guy has got to be trolling with a lot of his comments....or he is one of the dumbest posters on CP.

Dontari was a lot better this game. Hopefully we'll see more improvement this week.

ignore him.

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WTH? You guys are starting with trolling crap again? I love Moeaki. He's an OK pass blocker but, to say he is dominant is a mistake. Also, it was just the St. Louis game he struggled in. It was also Arizona. We will run the two TE set quite a bit and Moeaki will be the #2. Boss is a better all around player. Moeaki might be a better receiver but that's about it.

Pretty funny that the Star article today is about Boss and how he will be a big part of the offense.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=262744

Damn guys, read what I said. I'm not throwing Moeaki under the bus you bunch of homers. I am just saying it like it is.

Tony Moeaki is getting beaten out for his job by Kevin Boss in this training camp.

When we line up in the regular I-Form offense, Boss will be the lone TE more often than not. I'm sorry if you don't see it.

The problem was that he stared Copper down the entire play and then threw it to him even though he was double covered. Pass interference etc. is irrelevant. Stanzi porked it.

JFC there are gifs and screenshots in this thread that prove this to be dead wrong.

At minimum, copper is the second read...its debatable that copper is the third read.

Show me. He may be the second read but he never looks elsewhere and he's double covered.

http://i.imgur.com/nqlvd.gif

Look at him stare copper down. It's a five step drop. By the second step he is looking at Copper. The other thing is that he looked off Maneri because he was covered. However, when he stared down Copper, that LB followed his eyes all the way to Copper and he was the second guy in coverage. They had him double covered because the LBer read his eyes. Arguing that that he didn't stare him down is stupid. There is really no argument. The LBer was Rocky McIntosh, a former starter for Washington. He knew what he was doing. You are just whining because I am calling out dudes that played at Iowa.

I was on vacation when the game was played and was just able to finish watching the rerun on NFL. There was nothing to like about that game. It should have been a bigger blowout. Too many turnovers. Not much offense. Gaping holes in the defense. Going forward this team is going to have big headaches when other teams pass against our base defense. Seems were always one injury away from the secondary being horrid. The defense is soft. It could be a long year.

ROFL

You guys' posts from preseason are GOLD every year.

You don't know what you're talking about.

He read Maneris route till he knew he couldn't get the ball to him and the moment he looked over to Copper, the ball came out.

The linebacker was at least 3 yards away from the slant by the time the ball got there.

I even posted a still shot of the moment the ball arrived to show exactly that.

The linebacker didnt come off his coverage of Maneri till Stanzi started his throwing motion to Copper.

Once again...

Here are stills of the three places he looks before he throws the ball.

Gimme a second and Ill post the ball placement still, again.

Anybody that has a problem where this ball is thrown is just being a nitpicking bitch.

The placement is damn near perfect.

The pick was a fluke and anyone saying otherwise is just being a hater.

Where's it at? The play we are talking about isn't there.

Boss, the you see the gras ass greener and I see it as dead. The LBer was 3 yards from Copper primed to lay the wood. Stanzi hung out to dry. Furthermore, the pass was so bad that it could have been picked and that's why it was knocked away by Copper. The fact is that Stanzi misjudged the speed of Rocky MacIntosh. He is struggling to catch up to the speed of the game. I'm sorry but he ****ing suck ass last week and he has no future. You can what you want but I see it and I am sure the front office sees it. How many more shots will he get to show something? This week will be his seventh.

Here are stills of the uncalled facemask on the 4th down play where Stanzi fumbled, too.

Should have given us a first down inside the red zone, but...again, replacement refs apparently only have one eye each.

The defender even had BOTH hands in the facemask and still the refs missed the call.

****ing buffoon.

Are you trying to tell me THIS is a poorly placed pass for a slant route?

If so, just stop posting here altogether.

To be fair, he escaped that, turned all the way around, and then just dropped the ball.

That can't happen, facemask or no.

Boss, it was a terrible ****ing pass and it was a terrible idea to throw it there.

Stanzi is not very good and that's the bottom line. I am Georgia fan. Leonard Pope was awesome at UGA but has not been very good in the pros. I know how you feel but you have to be realistic. It's the same thing with Boss starting over Mo.

Here is that same still, but zoomed out a little further to show the distance between the play and the linebacker.

Saying that the linebacker read the eyes of Stanzi, who was starring down the slant the whole time is simply not true.

Rocky McIntosh would have been right on the ball if that were the case.

It was a terrbile pass. He couldn't lead him because MacIntosh was there. Generally, on a slant route you want to lead the WR a little. Instead, he tried to throw it a little behind him and that is a dumb thing to do on a slant route. He didn't look anywhere else. He didn't throw it away. He shit the bed.

**** a bunch of stills. Lets see the play. Rocky Mac is a veteran LBer and he baited Stanzi's ass. Stanzi threw it right where he wanted him to. Stanzi was lucky it wasn't a pick 6. If he had thrown it where he was supposed to, it would have gone for a TD. He should never have thrown the ball. That's the point.

:spock:

He did a piss poor job of trying to throw it behind him. Since it was in front of him.

And I have criticized him to no end for that...but the fact remains that if the refs made the proper call on the play, the fumble gets erased completely and Stanzi leads the offense to points on the drive...unless he fails to convert a 1st and 10 from inside the 20 yard line into points.

Fluke pick

Uncalled facemask on the quarterback.

Getting his fullback rag doll thrown right into him during his throwing motion.

Those are the three plays Stanzi is getting crucified for.

I agree with Phobia...I doubt the coaching staff is holding Stanzi fully accountable for any of those plays.

Excuses excuses. If that's Cassel, you are killing him. This will be his 7th preseason game. When will they hold him accountable?

Stanzi fumbled the ball. There is no one else to blame but him. You can't point to the refs for not calling a penalty.

And the play where his FB was thrown into him "during his throwing motion" was after he stopped his motion and tucked the ball. The ball should have been gone.

Yep. Like I said, he never should have thrown it. :clap:

He's making fun of you....dipshit.

I know. That's why the clapper. Say something meaningful sucker puncher.

Meaningful?

How about this for meaningful?

You are now the dumbest mother****er on this board......and that's saying a lot.

Watch out with those 2...

Show me where I defended Stanzi for one second about the fumble.

Ill be waiting right here.

In fact, I can probably quote at least 5 of my own posts showing my disgust for him not protecting the football in that situation.

I even said, "if he doesnt protect the ball in situations like that, he shouldnt be allowed to play"

FFS, some of you dumbshits need to pay attention.

Its completely fair to slam Stanzi for the fumble at the same time as saying the play should have been nullified for a facemask penalty.

As far as the fullback thing...the first part of the fullbacks body to come into contact with Stanzis was his legs going right into Stanzis while he was still in his throwing motion.

Watch the whole play without it being cut into a gif and you will see the defender in position to pick the pass if it isnt zipped in there and floats even a little...which is exactly what happens when you throw without your legs.

Also consider the part of the field they are in....inside their own 20 yard line...if that ball is picked, its for 6.

It was a heads up play to take the sack and live to fight another day.

Simple as that.

I agree. I think 'potentially' Stanzi is the best QB we have. I say this based on his mechanics and his history of putting bad plays out of his mind in a game.

Will he be our long term starter? I don't know. The odds are high against it. But I'm not ready to discard him like a lot of posters do. I have seen how players like Tamba Hali, Trent Green, Jared Allen, etc. were going to disappear in short order if left to the fans and CP posters.

I don't know man. I was reading some of those threads in the HOF and there were some pretty dumb ones in there.

Alright, let's see if I can out do myself....


Pestilence, your posts stink! ahahahaha

But where are the good plays? I know he shakes it off but for what?

I never said you were defending him. But you said that you doubted the coaches are holding him fully accountable for those plays. Who else is accountable? The protection needs to be better. Fine, good, great, whatever. The fumble happened after the fact. There's no one else to hold accountable.

Then on the play where the FB got pushed back into him. He was throwing the ball and then stopped and tucked the ball. THEN after he tucked it he was sacked. The ball should have been gone.

When people blame the refs it cracks me up. It makes me think they never played sports. Both teams have to deal with the refs. In most sports there isn't instant replay. In the NFL, people are literally cheating on every single play. Cheating is part of sports. In baseball they steal signs. In soccer there are flops. It's everywhere man. It's a ****ing excuse.

You know what?

I will give one reason to defend Stanzi for the fumble.

Maybe he thought there was FOR SURE a flag for the facemask and thought he had a "free play" to work with and that's why he didn't throw it away.

Kinda like how a quarterback will throw a long pass into triple coverage after a offsides penalty.

****, at least the guy escaped pressure and kept his eyes downfield trying to make a play.

God forbid we ever have a quarterback that does that....

If he thought he had a free play he should have thrown it? It was 4th down, wasnt it? Even if he didn't have a free play an interception down the field is better than a fumble behind the LoS.

How many times have you seen REAL REFS not call a blatant face mask penalty that happens to the quarterback?

FFS the guy has BOTH HANDS holding onto Stanzis facemask.

He did it at Iowa many times. In fact he brought their team back for wins a few times after stupid INTs. He's a Brett Farve type of QB. Notice I'm saying he is the next coming of Farve.

As for the good plays, I think he probably needs some consistent actual game snaps to get into the groove. Much like many RBs in a football game.

If I were Romeo I think I might have 3 of the 4 preseason games QBed entirely by a different QB. Do we know for sure if Stanzi would not have bounced back from a shaky start to a game and pulled off a win? When you know you are allotted a limited number of snaps in a game and it doesn't start well, you tend to force things which will most likely backfire as it did for RS last week.

Man o man... LOL if he did that, he needs to be cut today. That is nothing like throwing it after an offsides.

In baseball, different pitchers have different strike zones. The strike zones change with the batters. The best players get the advantage.

Remember when Flowers got called for pass interference on Johnson at the end of the Texans game in 2010? They were both tugging on each other and Johnson's was worse. Who got called? It was Flowers. The point is that the refs aren't going to be paying a whole lot of attention to a back up scrub o-linemen. It's especially pertanent in the regular season.

Please, go watch the play in full speed. Im not saying that in a rude way...I just want to you realize that Stanzi had almost no time at all to try and throw the ball after he got out of the two handed face mask grabbing DL.

The linebacker was RIGHT THERE as soon as he got outside the tackle box and closed immediately.

I agree though, he should have at least just heaved one up...like a punt with a hopeful completion.

Lets say he did that and it gets picked...lets not act as if the Planet wouldnt overreact to the pick even more than the fumble.

That's a good thing but, sometimes players don't translate to NFL. Like I said above, Leonard Pope was really good at UGA. There are alot of people that say Hershal Walker was the best college player ever and he wasn't as good in the pros.

You gotta play the hand you're dealt and that's the bottom line.

God damn, you are completely football stupid.

A quarterback cant see the flag being thrown because he isnt looking for that.

His facemask was grabbed so tightly that his whole head turned more than 90 degrees...that should be called 100% of the time.

Dont give me anymore football stupid takes like "the refs arent watching backup linemen"....THE ONE PERSON THEY SHOULD ALWAYS BE WATCHING IS THE ****ING QUARTERBACK FFS.

Now, go find a tall building and please, go to the top and dive headfirst into a rusty thumbtack.

Stared him down? It was a 3 step timing throw.

Can't. That train wreck of a game is no longer on my DVR.

The gif is in post 744.

Eachus steps back right into Stanzis leg while he is halfway though his throwing motion.

Its why Stanzi didnt release the ball.

It was a heads up play.

If he lets that ball go, its a pick 6.

Sack > pick 6

Bosschief, this is hilarious. Stanzi pulled the ball down before the fullback got tangled up with him. Just let it go, man. So he had a bad game, which did look worse than it was. He will have more opportunities.

He pulled it down because a DE was flying in his face, choking the passing lane.

Stanzi did nothing wrong on that play whatsoever.

Probably 5 or so times last season with Tebow.

I said QUARTERBACK.

I didn't know you went to Iowa.

I agree. What I'm saying is Stanzi comes from a pro offense and does have a history of what I told you. All I'm saying is it's too soon to discard him as one who'll never make it.

I agree that he was right to pull it down there - because the end closed the throwing lane. I also think Stanzi is getting a bad wrap for getting chased around by defensive linemen all game. He did go all Steve Bono on us with his happy feet, though. It's to be expected given that he is a young developing player. But Bosschief is reaching on a lot of his excuses and frankly, it's desperate. :shrug: Stanzi will have more opportunities and he certainly won't be cut like many of the chicken littles around here cluck.

I only work in outer space.

With all do respect, Stanzi couldn't wash Tebow's jock strap for him. Stanzi hasn't done jack shit and Tebow has done quite a bit in very few games. It's about winning games.

Let me give you a little backround.

I have been a Chiefs fan since the day I found out what "football" was.

My uncle always preached that all the team needed to do was draft a quarterback and start from there...he and my stepdad both went to Iowa and thats part of the reason I moved here in the first place...the rest was for work. I grew up in so cal, in Ventura, Ca.

Ive watched year after year as the Chiefs have traded/signed other teams trash quarterbacks that looked good for a game or two playing for some of the most elite teams of the last 30 years.

Bono
Grbac
Green (doesnt deserve to be in this category because of his defense, but thems the breaks)

and now Cassel.

None of these moves have worked.

Ive faithfully watched the Hawkeyes and know people that work for the athletic department of the school (and still know one of the guys that was very very high up the pecking order, but he is retired) and have family members that went there.

I have followed them the last 15 years or so.

Stanzi wasnt supposed to be shit when he got to Iowa City...we had a high recruit quarterback that was supposed to be THE GUY and Stanzi beat him for the job in an open competition.

Stanzi was never perfect, but he had something about him at Iowa that made him will the team to win games.

What sold me was the game against Indiana his first year...he had a rough start...made a couple dumb mistakes early in the game that put us behind.

We were down like 3 scores and Stanzi had a moment on the sideline during the 4th quarter where he basically took over the team right then and there.

Id have to go look it up to be precise on the details, but iirc he threw 4 touchdown passes in the last like 10 or 11 minutes of the game and won the game.

He was JUST LIKE Brett Favre the next two years (albeit no rocket arm, but still a strong one.) Highs and lows but a lot of wins and not many losses.

He would make some mistakes (half of his college picks were in the first quarter of games) and lead the team to the win nearly every time from seemingly behind.

The offense was a run first one, but Stanzi made a lot of really good plays when we needed them and that gave us a balanced offense that was fun to watch.

This is all happening when I get to watch Iowa kick ass on Saturday and then followed the next day by watching Cassel shit his pants for KC.

When we drafted Stanzi, it is was like a match made in heaven.

I knew the kid would have a chance if he went to a team with some talent so he wouldnt need to be a guy throwing the ball 50 times a game to stay in it and we were exactly that...but maybe a year or two off due to age of the key players.

Both games this preseason, I think the kid has gotten a raw deal.

I think the guy has made some heads up plays that the play result was poor and that he has unfairly taken the blame.

To be honest, I think the coaching staff still might see Stanzi in the picture for the #2 role...dependent on his play in the next two preseason games.

It sure would be nice to have this ****ing team FINALLY give the draft pick a chance to play over the vet backup they signed...but if they dont, it will be nothing new. IMO if the battle is a close one after game 4, the tie should go to the younger player that is under contract for longer.

C'est la vie as a Chiefs fan, I guess.

This one would hurt a little worse than other examples because he was a Hawkeye, but not by as much as some here think.

I still think Stanzi has a chance when a lot of you guys (not saying that part to you, directly) have written the kid off after last game.

Time will tell which side is wrong.

:) Alright man, I will quit arguing with you tonight. What I said was right. Cheating is part of sports and you can't blame it on the refs. It is what it is. If you are to the point that you are defnding a player by blaming it on the refs, you have officially lost it imo. Go have a beer man.

I hate to tell you this man but he was a 5th round pick and he looks like one. David Green, former UGA QB, was awesome. He came from behind in a ton of games too. He was the SEC's all time passer. We won SEC Championships with the guy. We were one dropped pass at Florida away from a shot at the national championship. He was drafted in the 3rd round by the Seahawks. He later moved to Indy. He is out of the league and never did shit.

At UGA, Mathew Stafford didn't do half the things that David Green did. We were even ranked #1 with Stafford as our QB one year. Stafford had all the tools and Green did not.

It's the same thing with Stanzi. Stanzi is another David Green. If he had the perfect throwing motion, arm, brain, and will to win, he would have been a first round pick. He doesn't have it man and he looks like a 5th round pick. It's funny the way it works. It's a different game out there.

Well done, sir! Well done!

He's David Green

Go fist your grandmother (TM)

The David Green reference was pretty generous actually.