Clay was in love with Geno Smith guy checks down more then Alex Smith. He runs away from that stat.

uh, the 49ers had the number one rushing attack in football. he packers haven't had a 100 yard rusher in two years.....

How else are the Packers going to score?

Kaep threw 10 tds, in the same exact amount of passes as alex smith.

Alex threw 13......same amount of attempts......218 apiece.

And call me when Alex Smith has James Jones, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley as his targets.

They're mutually exclusive, you ****ing mouth breather.

That's because he didn't love him for his football ability.

He loved him for his sex appeal.

Hahaha, same old shit. You guys are just feeding the lonely and miserable attention whores known as AS Hater and Sweet Pussy Hate.

Just remember... don't let the negative crybaby shit detract from your season. Chances are good that the Chiefs will win 8 or more games. While that may not seem a victory overall? It's a good start from which to build on. Feels A LOT better being a competitive, decent NFL team fan versus being the bottom-feeding laughingstock team fan. It's a long 4 months of suffering when you are the latter.

There will always be those who seek attention by hating on something or another. Some fans just need to splash around in their own misery. No big deal. Let em bleed from their vag and anus. Just don't let the negativity take away from the fun.

GO CHIEFS !!!! :rockon:

Aaron Rodgers:

2012 Green Bay Packers 16 552 371 67.2 34.5 4,295 7.8 268.4 39 7.1 8 1.4 73 54 9 51 293 108.0

Yards per completion: 11.57

Alex Smith:

Yards per completion: 11.35

Looks like Rodgers has about double the number of 40+ yards passes. Of course, he's chucking it twice as often as well.

For the record, this is why nobody can ever really trust anything Clay says.

Alex Smith, when he throws deep, actually slotted in directly behind Russel Wilson last year and directly ahead of Matt Ryan.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/pictu...pictureid=1386

He didn't throw many of them because he missed a great deal of the season and frankly, he just doesn't throw deep often.

But Clay continues to swear that his stats say he "CAN'T" throw downfield and that's simply not true. His stats say he hasn't, thrown downfield with much frequency but when he does, he's been very successful at it. In 2011 he did qualify for the list when he played a full season and was ranked 12 in deep passing %; ahead of Schaub, Rivers, Palmer and Brady (in that order):

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/pictu...pictureid=1390

Never forget this folks - Clay has nothing in the way of analysis of his own to offer - absolutely nothing. He's a troll. He's a damn good one, but still a troll. His 'insight' is restricted exclusive to his PFF account and frankly, he'll manipulate that data to whatever degree he can.

Notice he didn't upload this table:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/pictu...pictureid=1387

Because saying that Alex Smith was the best Play Action passer in football last year doesn't fit his narrative.

Or this table:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/pictu...pictureid=1389

Because how would it help him piss and moan about the impending suck that is Alex Smith if you point out that the dude was balls-on accurate in 2012?

Or even this one?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/pictu...pictureid=1388

Because hey - when even his holy grail of all things football, PFF, creates its own proprietary stat that also suggests that Alex Smith was really good at playing QB last year...well hey, how could that possibly be relevant?

Clay is a lying, manipulative troll with very little actual football knowledge of his own to offer.

It's important that everyone realizes that. He can make cool gifs. He can make interesting graphics. On a keyboard, he's a handy little shit. But when it comes to actually seeing this game played and having any earthly idea of what the **** he's talking about, Goatse is roughly as useful as a labrador retriever.

Exactly.

It's all part of the False Narrative he's been spewing since the Alex Smith trade was announced.

Quoted for truth.

I take umbrage with this statement because both of my Labs are smarter than GoChiefs when it comes to football. And I guarantee they're better at catching the football.

BURN!

ROFL well stated DJ's

Brilliant post! You are the first person that I have ever used that silly REP thing on..good or bad.. mostly cuz I think it's..well.. silly. But you deserve it for sure here. :thumb:

Alex Smith is completely incapable of ever throwing 30+ TDs in one season.

Anyone who thinks he can come close to what Rodgers has ever done is truly loony.

Aaron Rodgers can do whatever he wants, I don't care where he throws the ball because he gets the job done.

Alex Smith almost literally does not throw the ball down the field, so he gets ragged on for being such a shitty checkdown artist.

LMAO

We'll see who's right and who's wrong about Alex Smith when the bullets start flying.

I know who he is, and it's not going to be pretty.

I'm actually a little shocked, DJ.

You see the chart. The guy completed 17 passes for the entire year over 20 yards.

I don't care about percentages. We can't win in this league if Alex Smith keeps that up. Period. And you know it.

You're smarter than this.

Irrelevant, and you know it.

Yards per completion is a lot more important than yards per attempt.

Funny, on the NFL network they were just talking about the misconception about the QB's who throw the ball down the field.

Mentioned both Brady and Manning.

Ummm, I think both are ok how bout you?

Brady was 5th in the NFL last year in passes attempted over 20 yards. Manning was 7th.

Please don't try to make stuff up.

Brady throws the ball down the field. So does Manning.

Alex Smith throws it down the field less than Matt Cassel.

Truly scary.

I know Alex has positives.

I actually pointed this statistic out as one of Alex's positives almost immediately when we traded for him.

But I believe the negatives outweigh the positives.

It doesn't mean shit if you're accurate on an 8-yard completion on third and 10.

A) I disagree that you can't win without flinging it downfield 80+ times.
B) I don't believe that will be the case with the 2013 version of Alex Smith.

He's a credible NFL quarterback. He isn't a star, he isn't Christian Ponder. I take umbrage with your high-handed insistence that you're just 'putting out the numbers for you rubes' when in fact that's certainly not the case.

You're absolutely putting forward numbers that fit your narrative and unquestionably manipulating them as you see fit.

There is nothing in Alex Smith's recent history to suggest that he can't be a good downfield passer. Or at least an competent one. There is plenty to suggest that he hasn't been asked to do it. And there is stat after stat that can be presented to show that, while downfield passing may even be a weakness of Smith's, there are a ton of things he does extremely well.

But you ignore them. Always. Because you desperately want this guy to fail so you can claim victory.

Alex Smith is in that Matt Schaub tier of decent quarterbacks. Yes, he did suck. No, he does not presently suck and yes, there is ample reason to believe he will not suck in the future.

God you are slow. The conversation is that Brady and Manning throw as % more intermediate to short passes.

Remember the last couple of seasons the 2 TE's in NE?????

I disagree. He's scared to throw the ball down the field. He only does it when the guy is wide open, so of course his percentage is relatively high.

Matt Schaub is a real stretch for me. We're more likely to get someone like Jake Plummer.

Yes, but Brady and Manning still throw the ball down the field.

A lot.

Alex Smith doesn't.

End of discussion.

Define a lot.

Smith's actually going to be a very interesting case study for me.

Last year, when I was watching Joe Flacco mis-fire on every other pass, be it 8 yards or 40 yards downfield, I realized that guys with erratic accuracy like Flacco and Eli Manning should be firing the ball downfield. Afterall, if you're going to miss on your pass, you might as well have some risk/reward for your efforts and if its picked, its no worse than a punt.

But if you're a really accurate passer, especially in the short and intermediate zones, long passes aren't necessarily needed.

Alex Smith's yards per attempt over the last 2 years bear that out. His accuracy was so sharp that he was averaging more yards per attempt than virtually every QB in the league. He was, by any measure, a successful and productive NFL QB despite not pushing the ball downfield.

And as the efficiency numbers and yes, the highlight clips show, Smith does have that club in his bag. He doesn't have a cannon, but he's absolutely capable of making a precise, well-timed, on target deep throw. I don't know why you keep saying "can't" when the operative word really is only "hasn't". We've seen the skill-set and the numbers support it - Alex Smith can be an above average downfield passer, IMO.

But if you can sit there and throw it through a swinging tire over and over again at 12 yards, a short passing game is probably the better way to utilize those skills. Whereas if you're someone like Flacco who isn't going to be much better on short passes than long ones, then firing the thing downfield is the most efficient use of your talents.

You know. We have been beating our heads against the wall with this for months. How about this. Why don't we stop saying what Alex Smith did or didn't do in San Francisco, and wait to see what he does in KANSAS CITY.

honestly. That's all that matters.

Its like there is a Bat Signal when something is said about Alex Smith that all of the Alex Smith Dicksuckers just swarm to.

But that's why I don't see how you're going to ignore the highlight reels.

You can find a lot of instances of him doing a really nice job of dropping the ball into closing windows and onto his receivers hands.

What he's not going to do, and what he shouldn't try to do, is rifle a ball into a tight window. His arm's not that strong; it'll get batted away. And his pass diagrams suggest that he's smart enough to know that. You're right in that he doesn't try those Stafford throws into small windows...because that would be quite stupid for Alex Smith.

But he absolutely will go over top of a WR and try to drop the ball into a hole in the coverage. And when he does, he's actually pretty good at it.

I won't try to guess raw numbers because I truly have no idea what Reid's going to do with this offense. But in Smith we're going to get an efficient passer that's smart with the ball and works with the strengths of his personnel. In other words, he's not going to be Jake Plummer; nothing in his career suggests that he'd be that kind of wild card.

You know who he really could be, though? Jeff Garcia. Garcia was athletic, smart with the ball and didn't force the issue but when he had an opening downfield, he took it. He disguised his average NFL arm strength through scrambling when needed and through making smart decisions with the ball. He was a very solid NFL QB that had his teams in legitimate SB contention on a fair occasion.

I think that's a very fair bar to set for Alex Smith.

Good post. What you also have to look out for is if Alex smith is running a short passing game or a check off dump off game. That concerns me more than the deep ball. I don't know that he takes enough chances and that leads to him holding on to the ball or too often checking down. You don't want him to be Brett favre but he has to be more willing to take chances.

Nevermind the fact that Welker was #1 in the league for YAC or that Thomas was #4....

Ding Dong doesn't seem to realize that when you put the ball on the money in short and intermediate throws your WRs can turn those into 20+ yard completions. You know, Welker goes deep soooo often yet he had 13 20+ yard receptions last year and Thomas had 29.

Solid insight.

By all means, offer any sort of substantive discourse whenever you'd like.

Mouthbreather.

Yeah. Real shame that people actually care enough.....

Pity.

LMAO

I could see this POV. if I were homo too.

Abso-freakin-lutely. There's been quite a few of us saying this for quite a while. Moreover, this type of passing efficiency affects the entire complexion of the game; an efficient, intermediate passing attack keeps the O on the field and the D off of it. I've said it before, and I will say it again: I believe that one of the reasons why the 49er defense was so good is because of what they were doing offensively. I don't think they were propping ASmith up during the year; I think it was a symbiotic relationship because--get this--football is a TEAM sport.

Alex "stone soup" Smith. A PERFECT metaphor.

Perfectly stupid, just like you.

So when the Cassel II era begins, you'll still be swinging upon his nutsack, then? Good to know.

Another very good post.

where's one of those idiots with wendler's "when throwing 35 passes per game, AS is 3 - 300" sigs???

I just overheard carrington on 610 talking about it -- he said he ran the numbers on AS at 30 passes per game and AS is 8 - 3.

You must live in some bizzaro world where believe that your posts and opinions actually matter to anyone outside of your damaged noggin.

Cute.

Especially when you have a Boldin at the other end of that long throw. I'm really curious to see how Flacco does this season. I suspect there's going to be a huge let down.

Close enough. I'll take that as a "yes".

Alex's pre-reads don't show up on a stat line...and according to people smarter than me about football, he's one of the best at that. They say the best defense is a good offense...but that doesn't always mean how many points you score..somtimes it means how long to you have the ball. A fresh defense looks pretty damn good.

Of course I was talking about the 49er trolls.

You should check out the 49ers time of possession when ASmith is the QB and then check out their defensive rankings:hmmm:

I seem to recall that soup ending up pretty damn good.


So what does it matter if he does it of his own ability or inspires others to come together and do it as a team. Winning is winning. I don't care if it is ugly or pretty.

Not to be confused with the Smith-sucking Lil' Chiefy's, of course.:)

I don't need another "hard worker who prepares well and leads". I just need a truly talented Quarterback, thanks.

This is irrelevant.

Tom Brady was 5th in the NFL in passes attempted that traveled in the air over 20 yards.

Is that clear enough for you? It has nothing to do with YAC.

That's what I want in my QB.

Not "fraidy cat checkdown."

2012 ranked #8.
2011 Ranked #6.



I don't have a break down of 2012 as far as Colin and Alex...but 2011 it was the Alex show at QB.

"teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot?date=2012-02-05"

The Lil Chiefy thing has to be one the queerest things on this site ever.

Then it fits right in. Glad you approve!

No you thinking its some sort of Lexicon that will never catch on is. ****ing stupid just like you.

It's just the static that breaks up the moaning and gnashing of vaginas of those that ALL THEY DO is BITCH and BITCH and BITCH.

Sweet God, get some pussy.

It's here to stay, so just hop on the train now.

One of the few things I agree with Angry Bear guy. Lil Chiefy has to be the stupidest ****ing thing ever.

You're the only one saying it.

And yet, you just can't quit it!

Lil Chiefy: Eleventy Billion.

Haters: 0.

Not true.

You are having a delusional episode. I would suggest a Psychologist who can help you through this and get you some help.

You want my insight on Alex Smith. He is Marty Schottenheimer's wet dream. No ball pussy when it comes to throwing who is tough. Afraid to make mistakes so he won't take a chance to make a big play. You can win games with him if you play MartyBall. Honestly I have no ****ing clue what Andy Reid sees in him because he is not like any quarterback Andy has had in his time in Philadelphia. I think letting him throw as much as Andy Reid likes will be a disaster. His record when throwing the ball a lot isn't good.

The mods need to change his name to Lil Chiefy once and for all; it will stick that way and the moron will get his wish.

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They must be restricting it to a certain time period, because over his career he's 15-19 when throwing 30 times or more.

However, that's a bit misleading, because 30 attempts per game is not much. Last season the entire league averaged 35 attempts per game. Alex is 4-13 when throwing 35 times or more.

That's great Alex.

Do that 3 times a game.

I love the logic in the 35 times a game argument.

Obviously, attemps have nothing to do with winning and losing.

If every one throws the ball 35 times a game, the odds of winning is 50/50.

So there for the argument dumb, move on.

Yes because most qbs throw for 48 td passes a season.
Really realistic.

Don't fight destiny. The train is leaving the station without you!

Ill settle for twice


Right now he barely averages 1 TD per game and maybe 200 yards tops

Of course you wouldn't know that Andy Reid teams averages 35 passing attempts per game.

I love logic too, but your post doesn't seem to have any.

The more Alex Smith throws, the worse he is. Wins, completion %, TD %, INT %, you name it.

dont get me wrong...3 times would be super nice every now and again too, like 5 games or 6 games a year with 350 and 3 td

That's a 20-25 yard gain.

He absolutely should be doing that 3 times a game if he's not Cassel II.

You will be like our French ally in this war against the British Alex Smith homers.

It's not a train, it's the short bus.

That Detroit game was probably Alex Smith's best that he played last year.

No you are choosing not to see it.

If everyone throws the ball 35 X a game, there is a winner and a loser in every game there for the odds of winning is 50/50 when you throw 35 x a games, sorry is just a fact.

So maybe just maybe its just a stat and other factors are more important or just as important.

A SHORT BUS WITH NITROUS HEMI, AMIRIGHT?!

with a fiero 4 banger and a pinto gas tank

Oh my. Do you actually think this way?

By the same logic, every game has a winner and a loser, so each team's chances are always 50%. Every statistic is meaningless. Even rosters would be meaningless, and the Jags would have the same likelihood of winning the Super Bowl as the Packers.