This is the short-sighted question, who could we have gotten to of been as competitive right away if not Alex Smith? The answer is, no one, pretty much no one was going to make the Chiefs as competitive as they could be besides Alex Smith, so in this instance the Chiefs front office was correct.

The damning thing is, most Superbowl winning teams are winning those championships with Qb's they drafted and developed themselves. 12/15 previous Superbowl winning teams started Qb's in the game that they themselves developed from draft day to championship day (I'm counting Warner in this category as well). So the trend is definitely there, it's just that our front office likes to utilize 'band-aids' and not take the dive with an unknown Qb from the draft and just do their best developing them.

So, while the Chiefs front office can hope and pray that a Brees falls in their lap and gets the organization over the massive hump that is the 43 year drought, we will keep wallowing in mediocrity and watch other teams be victorious in February. Alex Smith is no ****ing Drew Brees, nowhere near that potential.

So there are some of us that want these changes to happen, and want a Qb drafted that the Chiefs have full intention of making a starter. Some love the 'band-aid' method (and while it works on occasion, the odds are against you with regards to the Lombardi).

You are right about Alex not being Drew Brees.

But, his window to win a super bowl, is over. His 100 million dollar contract has led to them not being able to keep players that helped make that team a super bowl contender.

Where as Alex Smith, has a lot of talent around him. More so than I would say that is on the Saints at the moment.

Anything is possible.

Alex is no Brees, but maybe a Rich Gannon? I've always felt like this. Get your ****in bandaid, but draft someone in addition. But hey we got Bray. Who knows.

It would have been completely stupid to take him at 1.1 and our franchise, deservedly, would have been the laughing stock of the NFL if they had. No team even thought he was worth a first at all, much less 1.1.

I think he can be very similar to Rich Gannon. Their skill sets, are almost identical.

He could be.

That's another thing, I feel like the Chiefs are deservingly cursed because we had one of the (potential) best Qb's in the NFL on our team (Gannon), and we chose some ex-49er biotch to start over him. We kind of deserve our penance because that was one of the worst moves in the history of the NFL.

I remember my dad being horrifically mad when they decided to start Grbac. It's like every fan knew the truth that Gannon was a king, except the people who mattered the most in this regard, management of the team.

And then they let Gannon go for not even a box of jelly doughnuts. What ****s.

Yeah it was a ****in travesty. Then he goes to Oakland of all places. I've always harped that the Chiefs are usually the stupidest team in the league. Hoping that all changes now.

43 years since the last Superbowl appearance, the statistics are in your favor in this.

And its more than just dumbass front office moves. On the field too. DBs not turning their heads around, offsides on a 4th and 3 punt return formation. Celebrating a TD that was overturned excessively when it would have been 4th down...on MNF. Diving catches for 5 yard losses. Shit that amazes me.

LMAO, your savior has a ceiling of average.

LMAO

So now that you've seen him struggle a bit and know that he is in probably the worst situation possible, you're ready to put your cash on the table and "bet for bust"?

You sir, are a pussy lips.

A labotomized, emotionless douchecicle with a fist magnet for a face and a WMD for an arm?

I'm a "pussy lips", eh?

Mind explaining that one, Sport?

He means like those wax pussy lips you used to get for Halloween.

Alex Smith has a better chance to ever win a Super Bowl than a 2nd round rookie who is going to spend his first few years with a dumpster fire of an organization. (not that ours is great either in recent years).

Smith isn't a Manning or a Brady of course, but he is the kind of guy who has shown he can play well on a team that is talented and otherwise ready to contend.

At this point in his career he is more or less an known quantity if he's healthy, which is not a great but an above average QB.

And before anybody says "Woohoo, true fan, happy with above average", I wasn't a fan of the compensation for him, but I think he was the best player of the available options this offseason. It's hard to argue that IMO

Geno is a talented young QB with a good work ethic who had a lot of college production.

I will take 10 of those for the next 100 years in KC before I ever take another retread game manager.

Which is why in a QB-starved league, every team passed on him, some 2 or 3 times?

If it was just us, ok. But every GM in the league seemed to have the same read on him.

There are 32 teams so 16 would be "average". Jaws put Alice at #20. That's not above average.

Jaws also used to wave around a "Super Bowl blueprint" with a Chiefs helmet on it.

Good point, but he's still the best IMO at evaluating QB's.

Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, etc.

Yeah Jaws likes KC. Which is why it's kind of disheartening for him to rank him where he did. Doesn't mean shit though. I think even the Alex haters expect at least average production from him in this offense with everyone healthy.

Those players are a lot more intelligent than Geno in my opinion.

Geno is extremely intelligent. He is known as a perfectionist.

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/...th-a-biography

I was labeled 'gifted' as well, scored an IQ of over 135, and was put in special classes all through elementary and middle school. Look how that turned out~

edit: I'm, on Team Geno, I'm just sayin'

I've always liked football players who are good at chess. I've typically found if they're good at chess, they can be pretty good on the field.

Luckily for the Chiefs it isn't up to you.

I think we have one of the top 5 game managers of all time if we want to base it off the last 2 years.

Ok, not all-time. But best one right now.

Yes, how lucky we were to get the GM's we did the past...ever....instead of somebody else. A monkey pressing buttons could have managed to put a roster together able to win us our first playoff game since the times when MLB didn't have a wild card and the X-Files was in it's first season. Eric Fisher was what, like 5 years old at the time.

We have no idea how the Chiefs will play this year. It is a little too early to pronounce this regime the same as the last. Stupid too.

Saying that the Chiefs have dodged a bullet by not taking a different route at QB would also be a little too early to pronounce, wouldn't you say? It might even be a little stupid too. Follow your own advice.

I didn't say that. I've REPEATEDLY said we should wait and see before we decide if Smith was the right choice.

I took your most recent response to Clay as implying the Geno route is one we "luckily" didn't take.

I was referring to his idea that 10 Geno's over the next 100 years would be better than what we did.

I would be.

Guys like Alex Smith are a waste of time. This is proven. Not just in KC. Everywhere.

I'm not really a fan of game managers. How can you be in today's NFL. Maybe not 10 actual Geno's, but I would certainly want my franchise to take 10 chances on a potential QB talent over taking a game manager. Especially if my goal is winning the "big one" once in a while.

Good for you. I personally don't give a shit as long as we win. If we win with Alex Smith that is as good as winning with a drafted QB. Time will tell. It is you who want to limit them to only one way, short sighted at best.

ROFL

How far do you want that "winning" to go? 10-6? 13-3? 1-done?

Nice stop-gap, but no enchilada.

Alex Smith, the Doritos Locos Taco of NFL QBs.

LMAO He's more of a McDouble:

Something you would eat when the gas station sushi is the only other option.

Except he's been priced as a McAngus burger.

Andy Reid approves of these metaphors, by the way.

It warms my heart when the morons play in the sandbox together

As far as they can. You guys still refuse to acknowledge that Alex Smith came OT away from the SB in SF. On the right team he can do it. Is this the right team? Too early to tell.

You guys are just pouting because you didn't get your way with Geno Smith.

Geno, Jo Jo, or ****-o; this franchise is hell bent on drafting stupid and going with "proven to be useless in the modern league"-methods of addressing the QB position.

Is what it is. yay.

They both tried.

There are enough homoerotic posts about Geno to a fill an International Male catalog.

Goodnight, sweet douche.

Same could be said about Sanchez when I first got here.

It will be interesting to follow the guys' career.

NO ONE was talking about Sanchez' genitalia, let alone in hundreds of posts.

NO ONE started threads about Sanchez versus Cassel nor did anyone spam the forum with Sanchez nonsense.

Hahhahaha

What?

There are LITERALLY THOUSANDS of threads centered around Sanchez on this board and half of them are debates about Cassel and him.

Thousands of threads about Sanchez versus Cassel?

Either my memory is faulty or your memory is faulty. And after a cursory look at my thread starters, I started one thread about Sanchez in January 2009 because he had just done an interview with LA ABC 7 about his plans to possibly enter the NFL.

After that, nothing that I could find. And I seriously doubt that OWTP58, ChiefsCountry or Hamas started threads about him, either, although I can't confirm it.

There were definitely thousands of POSTS.

Such as...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...Sanchez+Cassel

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...Sanchez+Cassel

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...Sanchez+Cassel

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...Sanchez+Cassel

Not every ****ing hour and day.

Some of tho threads are YEARS apart.

And no one talked about his penis.

Geno Smith suffers 'brutal' New York Jets practice

We might remember Wednesday as the day the New York Jets' quarterback competition came to an unceremonious conclusion.

Geno Smith suffered through his worst practice yet, throwing four interceptions in 11-on-11 and 7-on-7 drills. After practice, Jets coach Rex Ryan acknowledged it was a "possibility" that Smith's ankle might force the rookie to sit out the team's second preseason game Saturday.

"It was brutal. It was Geno's worst day. I think, and obviously, the ankle's part of it, but ... way too many picks and things. Did not look comfortable today," Ryan said, via the New York Daily News. "Obviously he has to come back from it, he will come back from it. It was a bad day. Everybody, we've seen it, guys have bad days. But this was a really bad day for Geno."

Ryan's candor seems to hint that the coach is ready to move forward -- for the time being anyway -- with Mark Sanchez as his starter. Smith's health plays a major part in that.

"I don't think he's at 100 percent. I don't believe he's close to 100 percent right now, but again, that doesn't mean we have a few more days, that it can't get a lot better," Ryan said. "We've seen these type of injuries get better in a hurry, so we'll see how it goes."

This all smacks of bad decision-making by the Jets, who rushed Smith back on the practice field after he suffered a sprained ankle in the preseason opener. Their haste tells you how much they want Smith to be the starter, but some situations can't -- and shouldn't -- be forced.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...-jets-practice

No excuses for Geno Smith to throw those INTs, but I think the Jets let him practice too soon after rolling his ankle. He had a bad day, but it shows he has a competitive spirit just to practice on a bum ankle. He wont get the benefit of doubt if he doesn't play in his next preseason game. The Jets will name Sanchez as starter just to get ready for the first game of the season. Sanchez will be on a short leash or until they feel Geno can step in and take over. It will be week to week and enough boos from the stadium then it will be Geno Smith turn.

If Rex Ryan wants to keep his job he will have to make the switch sooner than later imo.

:facepalm: / DaneMcCloud





(just wanted get that out of the way)

No, we just made dirty sanchez facial references.

ROFL

The only flaw with this theory is you are assuming Smith is better than Sanchez and there is no real evidence to support that.

Geno Smith is a rookie quarterback with plenty of time to improve his game. Why do people act like he has to be so great out of the box & he isn't nor should he be expected to be NFL ready as Andrew Luck.

Chase Daniel!

Did Geno throw anymore picks last night while we are asleep...?

ROFL

I am talking about ever. I don't think he will EVER be a good QB. He ended up not being that good in college by the end of the season. He got outplayed by Nassib in the bowl game.

Early in the season last year I was all on the Geno bandwagon, started watching him play when I could etc...

He progressively went down hill, played absolutely terrible at the end of the season, shit his pants in the bowl game, and had an underwhelming combine and pro day.

I was thoroughly unimpressed with him before it was draft time. Every time he had a chance to prove himself elite he did the opposite. I don't understand why anyone thinks he is going to be a good NFL QB except people that wont let go of the early hype.

Sanchez chosen over Geno

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/n...jaguars-081513

The Chiefs, in an very Un-Chief maneuver, managed to get both this year.

That's why I don't understand the Smith angst. We did exactly what so many of you are screaming we should've done - went out and snagged a high-value, high-potential rookie QB.

The problem has become that the Chiefs didn't take the one many of us preferred and in the end, that's just stupid. Sure, I'd have loved to see them get Smith; he was my favorite QB in the class. But Bray actually does have more long-term upside than Smith and I said that before the draft.

This is just shouting at the dark by many of you. The Chiefs got the best available option for a team that's a lot older than many of you want to accept (Hali, DJ and Charles are looking at 3 more high-end years at most, Flowers and Bowe won't be too far behind that). This isn't a team that can give sit back while a rookie QB develops for another 2 years, especially not with the anger that had built up in the fanbase.

They did a smart thing and got a QB that can get the franchise back on the road to respectability. They then did an even smarter thing and snagged a long-term developmental guy. Did they fall ass-backwards into Bray? Yeah, probably, but in the end they still got him.

This "I'd rather have a rookie over a retread" argument is just stupid - we got both and placed the latter in a very good position to succeed.

Fate/Ass over-teakettle with Bray.

But I'll take it.

We'll see how it works out. I'm not holding my breath that Bray ever amounts to anything more than any other Chiefs drafted QB in the last 30 years. I'll also wait to see what kind of extension Alex Smith gets.

Sure doesn't sound like it.

It sounds like you're going to keep bitching about Alex Smith instead.

At this point I'm beyond caring about how we got an incredibly talented young QB on this roster - the bottom line is that we got him here.

So I'm going to enjoy the next couple of years with a QB that can go out there and give us 13-14 good football games/season with the knowledge that Bray's going all Aaron Rodgers on us behind him and in 2015 should be able to kick some ass and take some names for us at the ripe old age of twenty-three.

Patience, children. This team sucked something awful last year and has sucked something awful for most of the last 15 years. It's going to be a good football team in 2013 (better than it would've been with Geno under center) and it may well be ready to be a damn good football in a couple of seasons.

His odds of being a true franchise QB are no worse than Geno's, IMO. I wouldn't be holding my breath on him either, were I you.

The difference in Bray/Geno is little more than their respective floors. If Geno doesn't develop, I think you'll have a below average starter for your troubles; someone like Weeden springs to mind. Whereas if Bray doesn't develop he's simply out of the league.

Well who gives a shit? Who cares if Geno has a better chance to turn into the leagues next Alex Smith than Tyler Bray? Most of you folks are shouting that that's not good enough, so why do we give a damn?

If it's nothing but ceiling, then the Chiefs did this absolutely right. They got themselves a guy that's presently better than Geno by a fairly significant amount in Smith and they got a guy in Bray that has every bit the long-term upside of Geno.

:clap:

This.

And people wanted us to draft him 1.1- :rolleyes::shake:

The most NFL ready QB in the draft cant beat out Buttfumble.

I guess I don't see any other QB starting for the Chiefs in the foreseeable future other than Alex Smith.

Reid loves the guy, they are both from Utah, and there's no way the Chiefs traded what they did for a game manager to throw him out after next season.

I don't think this is going to be a Favre/Rodgers situation because 1) Bray isn't Rodgers and 2) Favre was wearing out his welcome with all his bullshit retirement crap. The way Reid works you are likely to see Bray become a preseason hero and be traded to some team who thinks he's legit and become the next Kolb or [insert Eagles backup here].

I don't know how Geno Smith is going turn out he could bust or he could do great in the league? I just think it would have been more fun to find out if he were a Chief. Also I've said I wanted draft a quarterback this year and next year with a high round pick. I think this franchise can draft a few years in a row and create competition and trade bait as well. We have neglected the QB position from the draft for so long I'd really like to see them step up and take somebody. I want them to invest in a guy early in the draft and in practice to make him better. I want the QB to get to start as a rookie quarterback and that is something we haven't seen for a long time. At least it wouldn't be a retread and have to root for another teams trash.

I thought buttfumble was playing 2nd team this game...

.

My bad.

I stand corrected...

Reid cut McNabb loose when he had to and Reid loved that guy like a son.

Unless Smith takes us to consecutive AFC championship games, Reid will never have the bond with Smith that he had with McNabb. Even if Smith is that good, Reid didn't take Smith with his first ever draft pick and groom his straight out of college. There are a myriad of reasons why Reid won't ever be as loyal to Smith as he was with McNabb and he still moved on from McNabb after Donovan had a Pro-Bowl season in 2009.

If Smith is nothing more than the 8 win QB you believe him to be and Bray continues to develop into a potential replacement, Reid will absolutely move on from him.

To start a pre-season game. Nice misleading lead in though.