Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9776003)

Please don't include me in the "we" category.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9776057)

We would never. You're such an original, filled with nothing but original thoughts! Original Dane!

I guess that sounds better than "Douche of the Year" right?

But wait, that was all in fun, right? Right?

Uh, huh.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9776057)

One thing I can say I've never done on this board, is pull the bitch move by creating a crybaby thread about leaving forever. How's about you, Original Dane?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9776061)

Truth hurts, don't it?



No. Instead, you welch on bets, lie, cheat, get banned, return under various user names and continue to act like a moron.

You have no honor. Doomy3 owns your ass.

And my sperm are smarter than you.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9776063)

Your and idiot. Good night.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9776030)

I do think we will see more QB's who might not be as "sure" things as some in the past because of the CBA, but I think that also shows just how shitty this years class was.


Typical Chiefs though. Had we just sucked for Luck I guess.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9776047)

Before the season, I would have agreed. But after watching that disastrous coaching staff, I'm not sure that Peyton Manning could have willed that team to eight wins.

Seriously.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9775922)

I'm not trying to bash you or insult you but this is a false narrative.

You've acted all offseason as if you're above someone or anyone else because you wanted the Chiefs the draft a QB. You acted as if you were the only person that wanted the Chiefs to draft a QB in the history of the franchise and continue to spout off on anyone that has a different opinion. They're suddenly a "homer" or a "True Fan" because they didn't like the available options.

That is complete and utter nonsense.

There have been very few years, especially as of late, in which the consensus on this forum was to draft a QB. When Brodie Croyle was chosen in the third round of 2008, everyone was behind that move and saw him as the successor to Green. Unfortunately, that didn't pan out.

In 2008, most "informed" members wanted Matt Ryan. They saw past his supposed flaws and interceptions. Unfortunately, he was chosen before the Chiefs selected, so he wasn't an option. There were those that suggested Flacco as an alternative but the Chiefs selected Dorsey and Albert instead (the correct answer would have been Clady and Flacco).

In 2009, a very vocal group (myself included) wanted to see Mark Sanchez drafted, even though the Chiefs traded for Cassel. That didn't happen and instead, the Chiefs made the worst selection in franchise history.

In 2010, the consensus was split between Berry and Clausen. Very few people were unhappy with Berry's selection and as it turned out, Clausen has been a major disappointment (and would have been a disaster at #5 overall).

In 2011, the Chiefs moved back and selected Baldwin. Matt Cassel had just come off of his finest season as a pro and there was very little hope that his successor would be drafted that year. There was very little discussion of QB's.

In 2013, everything came to a head. New coach, new GM, new direction from ownership, etc. That management team traded for, what they saw, as the best available option. Every QB in this draft comes with great risk and after successive seasons of 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 10-6, 7-9 and 2-14, 2013 was not the time to make a gigantic leap of faith or take a risk. How this move turns out remains to be seen but it would be shocking if Alex Smith did not outperform any of the QB's selected in the 2013 draft.

All of that said, I don't think there's a single soul that posts in this forum that does not want the Chiefs to take a QB in the first round in hopes of developing him into a Franchise QB. So for all your bluster, you are not alone, so stop acting as if you're the only guy on Chiefsplanet that wants the Chiefs to draft, develop and win championships.

It's old. It's tired. It's boring. But most of all, it's completely false.

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9776293)

First I will apologize if I came across the way you say I do here.

Heh all though this offseason I mostly just argued with those cross 49erChiefAlexSMithfans that came here to tell us how happy we should be with Alex Smith. They annoyed the **** out of me. They made me sick, I wanted to throw up every time they said how great Alex Smith is going to be for us and bla bla bla. All the talk about Alex Smith has been nauseating.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9775909)

Scouts and the NFL in general didn't like Colin Kaepernick, Russel Wilson and many other recent "drafted after the first round" quarterbacks, either.

It's how these guys respond to adversity that will dictate if their draft positions were true, or fantastic steals due to following one of the best quarterback drafts in NFL history.

I just happen to think there are a few guys in this class that have 9" dicks and are trying to follow Lex Steel.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9775927)

I'm not sure about Kaepernick, but you're definitely wrong about Russell Wilson. Teams loved him. The only reason he was not drafted in the top half of the first round was his height.

He had basically everything you want from a QB, but ideal height.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9775931)

But that's not true. There were plenty of scouts that liked Kaepernick and Wilson but they were overruled by their GM (the Chiefs included).

Wilson's issue didn't stem from athleticism, leadership, or ability. It stemmed from his height. Kaepernick was passed over because of his competition.


And I disagree. As I stated earlier, E.J. Manuel is the only guy that I can look at and say "Wow, this guy has all the tools to be a Franchise QB". Smith has issues, Wilson has issues, Barkley has issues, Bray has issues.

And had Buffalo not needed a strong-armed QB, it's quite possible that he'd have fallen to the second round as well.

There were no "clean" prospects in this draft, despite the narrative passed around Chiefsplanet for five brutal months.

Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9776923)

I think that the thing with Manuel was he ceiling was the highest of all of the qbs in this draft. I think the arm strength thing is WAY overblown. My proof? They signed Kevin Kolb. I think they wanted the intangibles that Ej Manuel brings

Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9776923)

I was shocked they didn't draft the kid from Syracuse, mainly because he reminded me a lot of drew brees.

Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9776923)

But, kids like Ej, who is almost a carbon copy of Cam Newton, if harnessed, and have a positive leadership effect, can cover up a lot of uglies on a franchise, giving them time to address those, while said qb keeps the franchise relevant. Makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by unnecessary drama (Post 9777421)

the problem with posters like KC Tattoo is they just regurgitate what the intelligent posters post...

SNR is a pretty intelligent guy. He pined for Geno. He yearned for Geno. He cried about Alex. He made good points.

Now the idiot leaches like Tattoo and ROR who can't formulate their own thoughts or opinions leach onto guys like SNR and then all of the sudden football talk is unbearable because all of the illiterate leaches start blabbing on and on and on about regurgitated thoughts from OTWP or SNR.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9776051)

I'm curious to see which of the past few draft picks turns out to be the best and takes to coaching.

I'm hoping Baldwin but I'm doubtin it

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9731780)

when game managers try to get more aggressive it usually leads to implosions.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith 4Ever (Post 9777696)

Tom Brady was once called a game manager

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9775954)

The Chiefs didn't invest two second round draft choices in order to win five games. With this coaching staff (the best since the Vermeil days and arguably the best since 1993) could win five games with Matt Cassel.

Barring catastrophic injury, this team's floor is eight wins with a ceiling of eleven.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9776012)

IMO, there are less question marks on this team since 1997.

They're loaded defensively, they have an accurate WCO QB, the league's best running back, a solid if not spectacular offensive line, weapons at TE, a true franchise WR and so on. They have the best coaching staff since 1993, IMO.

I don't think they'll click on all cylinders from Day One but by Week Eight, barring catastrophic injuries, this team should be in sync and rolling.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9777741)

The only position group that we can say with near certainty is loaded is the LB corps.

The D-Line is nothing but question marks and potential, and the 2nd corner and free safety are questionable at best.

On offense, the only positins that we clrearly have answers are Charles at RB, Bowe at WR, and Albert at LT.

The rest of the offense, including Eric Fisher at RT, are, like the D-line, question marks and potential.

The biggest question ark of all is whether Reid is going to ask more of Alex Smith than Harbaugh, and if so, how he will handle the added responsibility.

This team has the potential to win 10 or more games, but it also has the potential to lose 10 or more games.

I tend to believe that it will be a 5 win team, because I have little faith in Smith, and have always believed that Reid is overrated.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9777751)

Oh, and further Dane, you keep talking about this staff like it's a certainty that it is going to be really good.

Doug Pedersen has never been an OC, so is a question mark, and Bob Sutton struggled in his previous stint as a DC, though he gets a pass because of who he worked for.

But at this point, he could be the next Gunther Cunningham, for all any of us know.

Originally Posted by unnecessary drama (Post 9777421)

the problem with posters like KC Tattoo is they just regurgitate what the intelligent posters post...

SNR is a pretty intelligent guy. He pined for Geno. He yearned for Geno. He cried about Alex. He made good points.

Now the idiot leaches like Tattoo and ROR who can't formulate their own thoughts or opinions leach onto guys like SNR and then all of the sudden football talk is unbearable because all of the illiterate leaches start blabbing on and on and on about regurgitated thoughts from OTWP or SNR.

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9776567)

Can't speak for everyone, but one 49erChiefAlexSMithfan here came in simply saying that I believe he will be a good addition for the Chiefs... despite the compensation given. The response to that opinion was surprisingly met with childish hostility and general dick-headedness.

For most on forums.. and I have been on forums a long time.. when a team acquires a new player and that player's former team fans stop in to applaud? The response is generally taken as an encouraging thing... or at worst, an eyeroll. So I ask myself.. why would the receiving fanbase act so belligerent when other team's fans come in and express a positive vibe? The only answer seems to be "oh, we heard this shit before, **** off!"

... but now, I am pleased to see other KC fans showing some maturity and accepting that your team just may find success. There's nothing wrong with skepticism, but some folks just take it too far and really need to develop some mature social skills. Most SF fans I have read here are really only suggesting that you give this new regime a chance before giving up.

... and why would people even continue to click into a thread when you must expect more nausea? People suggesting to you that Alex might be good for the Chiefs and that makes you... sick? Do you not find that a rather bizarre reaction?

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9777941)

This team will ALWAYS look for the next "Len Dawson" and disregard the opportunity to draft our own quarterback.

ALWAYS.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 9777967)

I would just about bet anyone any amount of money they'd like that this team will win more than 5 games.

Milkman, you're just wrong on this. That team's a lot better than it played last year, and they've clearly upgraded all of the gaping holes.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9777951)

Good grief. This years class obviously sucked prospect wise. Move on

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9777974)

In a vaccuum, you are right.

The trouble is that that statement isn't based solely on events this year...it's from 30 years of evidence.

Len Dawson and Todd Blackledge, combined, have ****ed this team.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9777751)

Oh, and further Dane, you keep talking about this staff like it's a certainty that it is going to be really good.

Doug Pedersen has never been an OC, so is a question mark, and Bob Sutton struggled in his previous stint as a DC, though he gets a pass because of who he worked for.

But at this point, he could be the next Gunther Cunningham, fo r all any of us know.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9777968)

where is the upgrade at DL?
where is the upgrade at FS?
where is the upgrade at CB2? CB3?
where is the upgrade at WR2? WR3?

They upgraded the LBers, Oline, RB, QB, and TE. Some of those were already "strong points" of the team.

We still have holes is my point

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9777968)

where is the upgrade at DL?
where is the upgrade at FS?
where is the upgrade at CB2? CB3?
where is the upgrade at WR2? WR3?

They upgraded the LBers, Oline, RB, QB, and TE. Some of those were already "strong points" of the team.

We still have holes is my point

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778000)

Reid is one of the best coaches in the NFL, period. You don't get to five NFC champoinships by being a slouch.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9778052)

Yep, he's been burning up the charts as of late! But, I'm sure his relocation to KC will change all of that.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778057)

My sperm are smarter than you

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778008)

So, you're claiming DeVito, Abdullah, Robinson, Smith and Avery aren't upgrades?

What team were you watching last year?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778008)

So, you're claiming DeVito, Abdullah, Robinson, Smith and Avery aren't upgrades?

What team were you watching last year?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778000)

Doug Pedersen was a fine QB coach and a solid NFL backup for more than a decade. He knows the system and if Reid didn't feel he was ready for the job, he wouldn't have hired him for it. He'd have hired Childress

Reid, Chilly, Pedersen, Sutton, etc. versus Romeo Crennel, Romeo Crennel, Mo Carthon, Brian Daboll. You may not see a massive upgrade by I certainly do.

Reid is one of the best coaches in the NFL, period. You don't get to five NFC champoinships by being a slouch.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9778087)

Robinson is an upgrade to nothing. Dude was one of the worst CBs in football last year. That goes for Smith, too.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9778088)

Reid is overrated as a QB guru, and he has done nothing of note since Jim Johnson died.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9778083)

The only one of that group that you can say objectively and with absolute certainty is an upgrade is Avery.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778124)

Smith is an upgrade, Avery is an upgrade, DeVito is an upgrade, even if its just leadership, Abdullah, if healthy will provide experienced depth if not win the job outright.

This team has been upgraded across the board in terms of experience, leadership and depth.

That matters.

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole20 (Post 9778068)

Playing Devil's Advocate.
Devito is a career backup replacing a first round pick, Abdullah hasn't played for over a year and was an undrafted Free agent anyway, Dunta is older now and was a liability at times last year, Sean Smith is an upgrade, and Avery would be if he was healthy but as of now it's a tricky situation with the ankle sprain.

Solid signings, don't get me wrong, but I think Bishop would've been our biggest signing (if healthy of course)

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9778130)

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOAHHHHH, DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE....

I'm sorry; I got a little woozy there hearing the sound of Pioli's voice in that post.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9777980)

No people like Matt Cassel and Alex Smith **** this team

and missing out on the Andy Daltons, Russel Wilsons, Colin Kapernicks and passing right over them for some 2nd/3rd string Olineman or WR bust

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9778136)

Dorsey and DeVito are almost identical in terms of player value. Both are run stuffers who don't rush the passer.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778137)

You don't know a thing about the NFL or player personnel, you offer nothing of substance and you're not funny.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9778140)

That's the whole point.

Len Dawson was a guy they pulled off the scrap heap of the NFL and won a championship with...something that, even today, they are trying to replicate.

"I gotta find the next Len Dawson" haha

Todd Blackledge was a monumental bust in one of the best quarterback drafts in history...something they want to forget and try not to replicate.

Montana
Bono
Grbac
Green
Huard
Cassel
Quinn

If this team EVER wins anything significant, it will be because it FINALLY took a chance and it paid off.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9778150)

There are upgrades all over this franchise.

HC, GM, OC, DE (not much but still), ILB, CB, S, OL WR and QB.

The only thing I don't think is an obvious upgrade is DC. Romeo was pretty solid.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9778140)

That's the whole point.

Len Dawson was a guy they pulled off the scrap heap of the NFL and won a championship with...something that, even today, they are trying to replicate.

"I gotta find the next Len Dawson" haha

Todd Blackledge was a monumental bust in one of the best quarterback drafts in history...something they want to forget and try not to replicate.

Montana
Bono
Grbac
Green
Huard
Cassel
Quinn

If this team EVER wins anything significant, it will be because it FINALLY took a chance and it paid off.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9778136)

Dorsey and DeVito are almost identical in terms of player value. Both are run stuffers who don't rush the passer.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9778158)

So you think Clark Hunt is still smarting from the Blackledge draft and trying to replicate what was done when he was like 3?

Some of you guys have repeated the same shit for so long you have zero ability to think objectively anymore.

How many decision makers are left in charge in KC from 2003 let alone 1983?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778000)

Doug Pedersen was a fine QB coach and a solid NFL backup for more than a decade. He knows the system and if Reid didn't feel he was ready for the job, he wouldn't have hired him for it. He'd have hired Childress

Reid, Chilly, Pedersen, Sutton, etc. versus Romeo Crennel, Romeo Crennel, Mo Carthon, Brian Daboll. You may not see a massive upgrade by I certainly do.

Reid is one of the best coaches in the NFL, period. You don't get to five NFC champoinships by being a slouch.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778008)

So, you're claiming DeVito, Abdullah, Robinson, Smith and Avery aren't upgrades?

What team were you watching last year?

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9778171)

Actions speak louder than words. Lather, rinse, repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat...

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9778187)

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9778209)

Says the man with "in denial" as his location. Yep, tells me all I need to know.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778151)

So, no chances were taken when giving up first round draft choices for Montana or Green?

What?

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9778282)

Trading for other teams current backup quarterback?

I'm shocked.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9778282)

Trading for other teams current backup quarterback?

I'm shocked.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778008)

So, you're claiming DeVito, Abdullah, Robinson, Smith and Avery aren't upgrades?

What team were you watching last year?

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9778167)

DeVito's ability to stay healthy makes him more valuable than Dorsey.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9778457)

Mike Devito is a paralell move and not better than Dorsey, so its a wash

Hassain Abudullah has not played football in two years

Dunta Robinson is not an upgrade over even Javier Arenas

I will give you Sean Smith, he is better than Stanford Routt

Donnie Avery, injury prone and had the highest drop percentage in the league last year.


How are these better than what we put out there last season exactly? More of the same, if not steps backwards. You know what would have been actual upgrades? Taking a flyer on guys like Desmond Bishop and Vonta Leach, proven winners with actual high level NFL production and not a bunch of average roleplaying JAGs

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9778547)

Doesn't really help us win more games.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9778550)

Alex Smith same type of turds the Chiefs have been going after sans Montana since 1987.
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778567)

Given the lack of a Franchise QB in this draft and the dearth of QB's available in free agency, what where their options this offseason?

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9778572)

Buffalo did the right thing.
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778315)

Yeah, because everyone in the league viewed Green and Montana as backups in the NFL.

:facepalm:

You're either being intellectually dishonest or naive.

Oh, and you failed to answer the question.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778564)

:facepalm:

Originally Posted by BigBeauford (Post 9778586)

Some of those points are legit, and probably warrant more than a facepalm.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778592)

I disagree.

How about this: We actually wait to see the team, you know, play, on the field this year before deciding that every move the Chiefs made this year was wrong?

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9778578)

Trading a high first round pick for a 31 year old quarterback and only making the playoffs once is a predictable outcome due to the small window a trade like that provides you.

To answer your question...there was less risk of Trent Green (who already knew the system, coaches, etc) than drafting a guy like Drew Brees.

If we had passed on the trade, Drew Brees would probably be our current quarterback.

As for the Montana trade...sure there was risk...big time risk due to injury and age (he was 37) even though we didn't make it to a superbowl...we won playoff games and had one heck of a ride.

You wouldn't hear me complain if we traded for Tom Brady.

We traded compensation that is as valuable as what we gave up for either Montana or Green to get Alex Smith.

Hopefully, it works out.

Lord knows I want to enjoy Chiefs football again.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778592)

I disagree.

How about this: We actually wait to see the team, you know, play, on the field this year before deciding that every move the Chiefs made this year was wrong?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9778602)

Joe Montana did more the Chiefs franchise in his brief tenure than anyone in two decades. Their visibility was raised when Marty Schottenheimer took over but it's never been higher than it was in 1993.

If you consider the QB's available that year (Billie Joe Hobert, Trent Green in the 8th, etc. and so on) and the fact that Bledsoe and Mirer (Bust) went 1-2, I think it was most certainly worth the #25 overall pick, even with risk associated with Montana's back.

I was not in favor of the Trent Green trade. He was too old, coming off of major surgery and was unable to plant his foot properly and throw in 2001. I was a HUGE Drew Brees fan and wanted him at #12 overall. I even posted a thread (before polls) asking people if they wanted Duece McCallister and Trent Dilfer or Trent Green and Priest Holmes or Drew Brees and Priest Holmes (I was a huge fan of Priest as well, watching him rack up a 1,000 season in Baltimore two year prior).

The Green and Montana trades were not risk free. Montana was unable to play at the same level the following year of the trade and Trent Green, while leading the offense to the #1 overall spot for several years, was unable to lead the team to a playoff victory.

The Trent Green trade (and the subsequent draft choices given up for Vermeil) set this franchise back for a decade.