This.

Berry is going to have to create turnovers and be an absolute menace in the secondary for me to consider him a great player at #5 overall. He's been fine thus far, but underwhelming based on what so many expected him to be.

Feel like we're talking about Dorsey all over again.

Also Romeo inexplicably had him covering tight ends all the time, which is a horrible matchup

JFC. Because that's what I'm saying. That we should start drafting gunners in the first round.

I love the guy in the upper right hand corner who jumps twice...

OK, I guess we'll wait another year.

This

Any chance we go for Jonathan Dwyer

A safety picked at #5 should be able to at least somewhat decent coverage of an NFL tight end. Berry's coverage is a joke.

Give me a break and stop making excuses. Could have had the guy in the 20's.

THIS !! Troy Palamalu without the injuries type play.:clap:

Berry had a great rookie year, great playoff game then tore his acl. I do t think he was 100% til later last year.

That said, he does need to make more plays and I think he's going to be asked to this year

His coverage of tight ends isn't a joke. It's not the best part of his game, but he does it well enough. I wouldn't count anything anybody did last year. He freelanced way too much and I don't see that happening under Sutton.

I think taking Berry at #5 was incredibly conservative. But he'll be more valuable this year now that he's used more as a blitzer, as a center fielder, as a linebacker, in the box... he'll truly be a weapon, and Rex Ryan defenses have a tendency to do some really creative things with safeties like Berry.

Pioli's drafts.

Why?

He's be the 4th best back on our team

I'd have him over gray

Would you assclowns stop talking about that damn fooseball and get back on track with the special teams aces

Nah

Would like to have him for short yardage/goaline

He's be the 3rd string rb, he have to play sts too.

Pass

I was wondering the same. I'm not a fan of Dwyer, but unless Sherman becomes that guy, most of our guys aren't built for goal line. Charles can do it, but I'd rather have a bigger guy do it.

An with his vision, just let Charles be that back

Was was an ace gunner in college.

The next time you say anything that makes any ****ing sense will be the first ****ing time.

You don't need a big back.

You need an O-Line that can create a seam and a RB with vision and burst to exploit it.

You can be a big, powerful back and have vision and burst. It wouldn't hurt to have a guy back there who can take lots of hits and drive a pile. Gray doesn't add anything to the mix that Charles or Knile Davis don't.

Berry freelanced last year.
His coverage of tight ends got much better in 2010 before he got injured, though he has to prove it more consistently
Sutton showed already he's going to move him all over the field, from playing Free to Linebacker to playing in the box.

Instead of being a dick, why don't you explain yourself. There's nothing inaccurate in what I said.

Berry wasn't a "safe" pick.

The questions about taking a safety that high were everywhere.

Berry was going to have to be the second coming of Ronnie Lott to justfy that selection.

Random clip I found of our new LB blowing up Stephen Jackson:

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Nice illegal hit and taunting immediately after. Looks like we got a quality player. :clap:

New LB James Michael-Johnson's draft profile leading up to last year's draft:

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Yeah, Im sure it was a penalty. It takes balls to lay out a man like Jackson, even if it was a sucker hit.

Pioli drafted almost every player a half-round or full round ahead. He took low positional value players with his top picks all the time.

Do you really think he drafted Berry to become Ronnie Lott? Or did he draft Berry, like he did Tyson Jackson, Arenas, Asamoah, Hudson, and the list goes on because they were the best safe guys on the board? I'm going for the latter.

Marcus Cooper's draft video. This is Jalil Brown's replacement, I presume?

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Here's some random-ass 4 year old interception from CB Ron Parker

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And Jaye Howard in college:

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This is the guy I'm having a hard time getting excited about.

The Brown cut does surprise me.

Brown played a good game against GB. Really, he struggled a bit against NO but played well against SF, Pitt and GB.

He's never going to be a starter but as a backup and/or Nickel CB, he's a fine player.

That said, I think Cooper has easily Browns potential, but I certainly don't understand Parker over him.

The CB depth on this team just terrifies me. No, Brown wasn't amazing, but for this season he's going to be a better cover CB than Parker for certain and likely better than Cooper as well (who appears to be very similar to Sanders Commings in terms of strengths/weaknesses and skill).

Even if you don't see Brown as a guy that brought something to the STs unit (though you'd be wrong), I'm not sure how you can see this Parker cat and think "man - it's a good thing we have him instead of Brown - we're clearly better for it".

I love the Moses pickup and really liked Johnson coming out of the draft. Howard has some ability and I wonder if he can't be a situational 3-tech for us. He was supposed to be a plus pass-rusher coming out of school - maybe a new scheme will be a better fit.

I was a little disappointed to see Diles go; I thought he earned a job. Long-term this is probably better for the org, but I always like seeing a long-shot work his way onto the squad and every time I watched Diles, he was making things happen. He did everything he could do to make the team, it just wasn't enough.

The Wylie cut is a bit surprising.

I am baffled too. He's great in ST.

Yup

Powe :(

You're the classiest guy, ever.

You sure proved to me and everyone that read your posts that you WERE right about Stanzi, Cousins and Geno Smith.

And based in your earlier prescience, I'm sure you're right about Alex Smith as well.

Powe sucked. He was just another Chiefsplanet hero.

Why? He didn't do anything of note last year, he had an injury history and McCluster and Hemingway have way more potential to stay healthy over the course of the 16 game season.

The biggest WR shocker to me is Jenkins. I figured he'd end up on the PS.

This. He pretty much did nothing this preseason to earn a spot on the roster.

Brown was awful. If the Chiefs can't find a guy they like better than him (and without the Pioli stench), they aren't looking hard enough.

The only guy we cut that ever did anything for us was Moeaki and his release was obviously injury related as he was out there for the first snaps of offense in each preseason game.

I'd liked to have seen th lem keep Powe over Toribio, but it's not a big deal.

Getting a ham sandwich for Baldwin was nice.

I can't believe anyone is disappointed we cut Brown, the guy was trash.

Wylie didn't ever do anything but get hurt and disappoint.

I just wish they'd find a way to get rid of Dante Robinson. That guy is gonna cost us football games.

Bullshit.

Berry was a no-brainer. McClain, Alualu and Graham were not worthy of #5 overall. The Chiefs didn't need Okung or Matthews or Spiller or Davis.

The biggest "gamble" in the Top 15, after the Chiefs selected, would have been JPP. Haden would have been a luxury with Carr and Flowers.

Considering the strong need at safety, Berry was an easy choice.

just read about the ault connection to James-Michael Johnson...derp, totally forgot

Yep:thumb:

I don't think we are supposed to be excited about the 53rd best player

@RapSheet: #Packers are now in the market for a backup QB behind Aaron Rodgers. Source says they just cut BJ Coleman (as @weshod said)

Red rover red rover send booger on over!

Hold on a second...

GB has one QB on the roster right now?

What could possibly go wrong?

Trade them Bray for a third.

Trying to get some news on cuts in this thread. Got Dane and SNR scissoring with sand as lube instead.

I'm getting a lot of shit in this thread for suggesting the Chiefs should have kept Brown over Parker

That's only because you way, WAY overvalue Jalil Brown.

Come to think of it, Tyler Wilson is available....

I gotta think that they are planning on bringing one of the guys they cut back.

With the hits that Discount Double-Check takes, I can't imagine they'd rely on a QB2 that has to start learning that complicated offense in September.

@AdamSchefter: And Ed Werder is reporting the Packers have signed QB Seneca Wallace to back up Aaron Rodgers.

Seneca Wallace. No shit. Didn't see that one coming.

Pretty good fit

Wow, they must think Vince Young is a dumbass. They were like, "wish we could have brought VY in sooner." Then, they sign another vet off the street? LOL

Exactly. Maybe McCarthy is starting to buy his own hype as an offensive guy?

Plus, any QB that plays in Green Bay if Aaron goes down had best have a super quick release in the mold of Rodgers with that o-line.

OTW58 reports that the Packers just happen to play the Niners on Opening Day.

Sounds more like an intel signing to me. They can't possibly like Wallace more than all the guys they just cut.

I didn't overvalue Brown. People on this board jump on me for no reason.

Of course you're going to think I overvalue Brown when people put ridiculous words in my mouth, like saying we should use first round picks on gunners. I essentially said the same thing as DJ's Left Nut and completely agree with him.

I don't think Brown brought anything to the table that these new guys won't.

He was a guy on the roster. He looked not so great when given a chance to step up and show what he could do. He isn't hot garbage, but he certainly hadn't cemented himself as a necessity for this team, ESPECIALLY if a guy like Copper can't stick on special teams with the new regime.

Me too. I'm hoping Chad Hall is actually an upgrade over him (again, considering what he brings at receiver + special teams). I really hope that's the case, and not that Reid wanted to bring his Eagles guy in. I'll wait and see on that one. At least the guy can return punts.

Wylie is a disappointment because his potential was never realized. The "can't make the club if you're in the tub" comment was made for guys like Wylie. But that being said, it's not like his injury history was a huge mystery. Another swing and a miss for Pioli, as far as I'm concerned.

The Wylie cut wasn't surprising at all. His hamstring is always ****ed up

I don't think his value at corner is much different from Ron Parker's, and his special teams value makes him win that spot. We could have even signed Parker and kept Brown (our CB depth is that bad).

Given how bad our CB depth is, I don't understand cutting a guy who can be adequate enough in nickel/dime, and also contribute big time on special teams. Again, I don't care about cutting Copper. If our CB depth was better, then yeah, cut Brown. Most teams use special teams as a tiebreaker, which is why I'm a little bit baffled.

Brown wasn't adequate. He was terrible.

That's seems like a complete shitfest to me! :cuss:

That jerkoff killed 3 years of my life rooting for the Chiefs

Oh goodness scott pioli is on sirius xm nfl radio right now. The guy is great at acting like he knows what he is talking about.

He's as dumb as the Alex Smith Whiners ROFL ROFL ROFL

I don't think so. Wallace was with the 49ers for like half a second. He cant possibly have any valuable Intel on them.
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Cooper >= Brown on defense

Cooper = Brown on special teams. Seriously, how many special teams tackle did Brown have all last year? Pretty sure its less than 7.
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He's a ****ing used car salesman.

no, you're getting shit for saying we cut our 'super special ace gunners' and then implying - on the basis of absolutely nothing - that there was dissension within the coaching staff and that Toub must have been upset...

Like I said, you overvalue Brown as a corner. He showed nothing this preseason playing corner that would make anyone think he should be a primary backup for this team, even if our depth at CB is bad.

Just keeping him to have a body at the position is something Pioli would have done, because the coaches knew him and he was familiar with the system. God forbid we attempt to find someone that can be a possible upgrade as a backup.